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Giants are 2 years away from competing

joe48 : 10/27/2014 10:23 am
After watching the Steelers game plan on Sunday I came to a realization that our team better hope the Colts have a lot of turnovers. As bad as the Steelers have played this year they still have the playmakers to beat a high scoring team like the Colts. The Giants do not have the firepower on offense and our defense gives up too many big plays especially on third down to make me optomistic about our chances. The more I watch some of the better teams it is obvious that we are pretty much 2 years away from being a playoff team. Injuries, poor drafts and some bad coaching have put this team down in the bottom third competitively. In our division I see the Cowboys and Eagles getting better as we struggle to field a team with better talent that is in need of better coaching.
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RE: RE: I watched  
vibe4giants : 10/27/2014 2:15 pm : link
In comment 11942423 FJ said:
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In comment 11942353 SBlue46 said:


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Eagles....Fowles had all day...so did brees and rogers...
our oline is embarrassing


Great examples! You realize that Fowles [sic] and Rogers [sic] both lost yesterday, right?


Heh. You realize bossman (sic), right?
I thought the big story of 2014 was McAdoo  
Go Terps : 10/27/2014 2:37 pm : link
How was he going to adapt to his first OC job, and how was Eli going to adapt to the offense? So far, the returns look pretty good. Regardless of what the record ends up being I'd be in favor of retaining Coughlin with McAdoo for 2015.

Fewell is a question that may need to be considered, but I'm not convinced he needs to go.

I think this year is about growing with some new personnel.
I Agree  
Bernie : 10/27/2014 3:19 pm : link
I always viewed this year as a rebuilding year. The current roster has 22 players who are new to the team. Add to that an almost completely new offensive coaching staff. I believe TC and JR have at least another year, perhaps 2 to get the Giants back into contention.
for all the Dallas love  
bc4life : 10/27/2014 3:46 pm : link
Giants competed with them fairly well.
Steelers have the playmakers?  
KWALL : 10/27/2014 3:56 pm : link
Where were they vs the Browns?

They have 1 WR and a good TE who is in his 10th year and no longer top 10 at his position.

I'll take Beckham and Donnell going forward over anything PIT has at WR/TE.

Giants are not far away.
The Giants are farther away  
BigBlueCane : 10/27/2014 4:15 pm : link
remember, the Steelers play in a weaker conference where the only guarantees are New England and Denver.

I think San Diego  
beatrixkiddo : 10/27/2014 4:22 pm : link
and the Colts are up there as well. But yeah, the AFC is no wheres near as competitive as the NFC.
Fixed  
BlueHurricane : 10/27/2014 4:26 pm : link
In comment 11941760 SoZKillA said:
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The NFL is Week to Week.

Please stop with this.
KWALL  
beatrixkiddo : 10/27/2014 4:28 pm : link
I disagree. Pittsburgh has a very talented and young developing WR core that is only going to get better.

Antonio Brown, Markus Wheaton, and Martavious Bryant are a pretty promising and solid trio of WR; all have speed, can get open, and take it to the house on any given play.

Yeah Heath Miller is old, but the guy can still play.

There OL is and always has been the problem to that Offense being consistent.
This team would have been  
mrvax : 10/27/2014 4:36 pm : link
a heela better w/o all the injuries & Hill bullshit.

They really only need one more good off season, F/A & draft to get back to playing very well.
One more thing-  
mrvax : 10/27/2014 4:37 pm : link
I think it's fair to say that teams like the Jets are probably 2 good off seasons until they can really compete.
RE: In the pre-season..  
bob in tx : 10/27/2014 5:51 pm : link
In comment 11941752 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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you'd be hard-pressed to find anyone who thought Dallas would be decent this year. Now, we are holding them up as standards and we are 2 years away from doing anything?

The reality of the NFL is that it is ridiculous to say that any team is two years away from competing.


+1. Right now, there are 32 mediocre teams in the NFL. Different shades but mediocre nonetheless.
we will be contenders next year  
CGiants07 : 10/27/2014 7:04 pm : link
we play new England in regular season last 2 times wwe have won sb that year
RE: This team healthy is competitive  
ed90631 : 10/27/2014 7:07 pm : link
In comment 11941768 BillT said:
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This team starting 3 third string DB and 2 second string LB and a second string RB and backups at WR and a backup G, not so much.


Just another way of saying "the Giants have no depth talent-wise". Remember, the Giants aren't only team to suffer injuries.
RE: As soon  
ed90631 : 10/27/2014 7:16 pm : link
In comment 11941938 PaulN said:
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As you say that we have bad coaching, your post went from some interest to sounding like an idiot. Of coarse you could dismiss what I just said, or you could get you head out of your ass and understand we have a coach that has won 2 Superbowls in the modern NFL! To call him bad is as stupid and ridiculous a statement as you can make. If you want a change for the sake of change, that is fine, to shake up the organization, that is all understandable, but never call this coach and what he does as bad coaching, because then you are an idiot.


If only we were talking about 2007 and 2011.....
We will compete next year for the playoffs  
SGMen : 10/27/2014 7:29 pm : link
What do we really need to upgrade this off-season?

1. RT - go out and get the best young free agent RT that is out there. Move Pugh inside, move Richburg to OC and Schwartz slides into guard. Beatty has done a decent job coming off the injury and is in his prime. The OL will be solid inside and tackle will be good enough as well.

2. Re-sign JPP, Thurmond & anyone else that we deem worthy including Rolle for one more year at a fair price. JPP has made a comeback and is playing solid. No way the Giants let him go.

3. Cut the fat. That may include Beason who is now always hurt.

4. Draft well again. Our 2013 and 2014 drafts don't look too bad so lets keep it up with another solid draft.

Lets hope TE Donnell develops into that 70-850-10 TD type of TE or better cause I think he can. Lets also hope the JPP of TE's (Robinson) also comes on and finally develops in year four. A two TE set with speed and athleticism could make our offense unique, especially if both develop their blocking.

Cruz must come back healthy and stay healthy. Jennings has one more year in him but Williams has to be the horse next year cause he is a bruiser.

On defense, we clearly need a safety and youth at LB. I suspect we'll target both in free agency. But lets hope Brown comes on and shows he can play in a pinch if needed to start. He just lacks top end speed to be a full time starter.

Well, with some good off-season moves, cuts, re-signings, draft and yes LUCK we'll compete for the playoffs next year.

RE: We will compete next year for the playoffs  
AnishPatel : 10/27/2014 7:35 pm : link
In comment 11943115 SGMen said:
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What do we really need to upgrade this off-season?

1. RT - go out and get the best young free agent RT that is out there. Move Pugh inside, move Richburg to OC and Schwartz slides into guard. Beatty has done a decent job coming off the injury and is in his prime. The OL will be solid inside and tackle will be good enough as well.

2. Re-sign JPP, Thurmond & anyone else that we deem worthy including Rolle for one more year at a fair price. JPP has made a comeback and is playing solid. No way the Giants let him go.

3. Cut the fat. That may include Beason who is now always hurt.

4. Draft well again. Our 2013 and 2014 drafts don't look too bad so lets keep it up with another solid draft.

Lets hope TE Donnell develops into that 70-850-10 TD type of TE or better cause I think he can. Lets also hope the JPP of TE's (Robinson) also comes on and finally develops in year four. A two TE set with speed and athleticism could make our offense unique, especially if both develop their blocking.

Cruz must come back healthy and stay healthy. Jennings has one more year in him but Williams has to be the horse next year cause he is a bruiser.

On defense, we clearly need a safety and youth at LB. I suspect we'll target both in free agency. But lets hope Brown comes on and shows he can play in a pinch if needed to start. He just lacks top end speed to be a full time starter.

Well, with some good off-season moves, cuts, re-signings, draft and yes LUCK we'll compete for the playoffs next year.



We very well could be solid with that OL. However, you're moving 2 guys to new positions and adding a new guy in. Also, who is a FA that's solid? Is there another Kareem M. type guy or we can have success with?

Of course we can let JPP go. If he wants top elite level DE money, then we say thanks but no thanks. Would you break the bank for JPP?

You're very optimistic. I think we are still 2 years away, assuming we can add good FA and draft well. I don't think this is a talented team and needs a face lift on both sides of the ball.
for that to happen  
BigBlueCane : 10/27/2014 7:41 pm : link
Marc Ross needs to be amazing at talent evaluation and Jerry Reese needs to draft better then he's shown before.

I think neither is likely but are possible. My belief is Reese will stupidly assume that getting Schwartz back healthy will deem the OL 'fixed' and continue to piss draft picks away on useless positions like CB and WR again for this team.

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