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NFT: Man who beaheded another allowed unsupervised trips

DanMetroMan : 10/27/2014 1:06 pm
This is ridiculous.


A man who beheaded a fellow passenger on a Greyhound bus in Manitoba will soon be allowed to leave a mental hospital without an escort.

Thursday's ruling by the Criminal Code Review Board means Vince Li will be on his own in public for the first time since he stabbed Tim McLean and then ate parts of his body six years ago.

The board granted Li all the new freedoms his psychiatric team had requested at a hearing earlier this week. Lead psychiatrist Dr. Steven Kremer said Li, a schizophrenic, has stopped experiencing delusions and is a model, non-violent patient.

Instead of the supervised outings Li had been granted previously, he will be allowed unescorted trips from the Selkirk Mental Health Centre into the nearby city of Selkirk. The visits, to begin next Thursday, are to start at 30 minutes and increase to full days.
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I don't have a problem with this.  
Geomon : 10/27/2014 1:11 pm : link
The man was deemed insane and it appears he is getting better.
It's a little sketchy  
pjcas18 : 10/27/2014 1:13 pm : link
but nothing to lose your head over.
RE: I don't have a problem with this.  
djl8699 : 10/27/2014 1:17 pm : link
In comment 11942192 Geomon said:
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The man was deemed insane and it appears he is getting better.


Would you sit next to this guy, knowing his history?
maybe someone  
spike : 10/27/2014 1:18 pm : link
will chop his off
The progress he made was outstanding,  
GiantsUA : 10/27/2014 1:22 pm : link
one could say "head and shoulders" above many who suffer from the same affliction.
pjcas  
GiantNatty : 10/27/2014 1:24 pm : link
i caught that. nice one.
Yes, we all know  
Stufftherun : 10/27/2014 1:24 pm : link
insane people get better in time with the occasional counseling session and aspirin.
I guess they've taken a Greyhound bus on a long trip before  
jcn56 : 10/27/2014 1:25 pm : link
if there's anything that could drive you to chop someone's head off, it's that.
The 'good'  
old man : 10/27/2014 1:26 pm : link
scitzo puts on a Hollywood performance for shrinks so the 'bad' scitzo goes free, eh? And no punishment; just free room, board, medical, and a shrink or 3. Sweet:-(.
Like Parcells said about passing: '3 things can happen, and 2 of them are bad'.
Meaning no harm to anyone else but justice would be the 'bad' scitzo decapping the 'professionals' who came up with that rendering.
a model, non-violent patient.......  
njm : 10/27/2014 1:32 pm : link
while he is on his meds. If he stops taking them heads will surely roll.
I won't get into the debate on whether or not he still  
Mike in Long Beach : 10/27/2014 1:34 pm : link
is a threat to society, but it's just wrong from a moral standpoint. He was/is clinically insane, so he shouldn't be in prison, but he has no business walking as a free man ever again.
Heading  
natefit : 10/27/2014 1:37 pm : link
for trouble.
RE: I don't have a problem with this.  
ktinsc : 10/27/2014 1:56 pm : link
In comment 11942192 Geomon said:
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The man was deemed insane and it appears he is getting better.


Not sure if this is a serious response. Would you be willing to expose your loved ones to this guy?
I wouldn't stick my neck out for him.  
shepherdsam : 10/27/2014 2:11 pm : link
.
Perhaps he's a vegetarian now  
Ralph.C : 10/27/2014 2:37 pm : link
and he'll stick to eating heads of lettuce.
RE: I won't get into the debate on whether or not he still  
TJ : 10/27/2014 2:50 pm : link
In comment 11942253 Mike in Long Beach said:
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is a threat to society, but it's just wrong from a moral standpoint. He was/is clinically insane, so he shouldn't be in prison, but he has no business walking as a free man ever again.
It's not moral to condemn a person to jail if they are rendered incapable of knowing right from wrong through no fault of their own.
Either insanity is a medical condition that prevents the sufferer form knowing right from wrong or it's not. If it is, he walks when he no longer suffers from the sickness. If not, then just skip the shrinks and throw his ass in jail.
He walks when he do longer suffers from the sickness.  
manh george : 10/27/2014 3:00 pm : link
And the wonderful news is that psychiatry is an exact science, so that shrinks know exactly when a criminally insane pesrson is cured and thus no longer a threat to society.

And even more wonderful, they are 100% capable of assuring that a person who requires anti-psychotic drugs will take them every day for the rest of their lives, guaranteed.

As far as precision goes, it ranks right up there with economics.
If that's true Manh  
TJ : 10/27/2014 3:05 pm : link
Then maybe we need to ditch the whole experiment and not let anyone plead insanity or diminished capacity.

Maybe I missed it but I don't remember anything in the article that said the guy will be allowed to go anywhere at all for a period of time that could cause danger to the community through lack of meds.
RE: RE: I won't get into the debate on whether or not he still  
njm : 10/27/2014 3:06 pm : link
In comment 11942554 TJ said:
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In comment 11942253 Mike in Long Beach said:


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is a threat to society, but it's just wrong from a moral standpoint. He was/is clinically insane, so he shouldn't be in prison, but he has no business walking as a free man ever again.

It's not moral to condemn a person to jail if they are rendered incapable of knowing right from wrong through no fault of their own.
Either insanity is a medical condition that prevents the sufferer form knowing right from wrong or it's not. If it is, he walks when he no longer suffers from the sickness. If not, then just skip the shrinks and throw his ass in jail.


You're missing one very important variable. He no longer shows symptoms of his sickness because he is on meds and is supervised. There is no guarantee that would continue if he were released or granted unsupervised trips that last longer than a dose of whatever meds he is on. That doesn't mean he should be incarcerated, but it certainly points towards being institutionalized with supervised trips.
I agree, TJ, but 5 years?  
manh george : 10/27/2014 3:12 pm : link
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The average length of stay in a forensic unit is somewhere around 10 to 15 years on average, but this is unusual in light of the fact that he has responded to medication and treatment.


Sorry, but this goes beyond the extent to which I trust the psychiatric profession, especially post-beheading.

If I was related to the victim  
Zebra3 : 10/27/2014 4:15 pm : link
I'd go all Highlander on this guy if I caught him alone.
Perhaps his meds last more than a day...  
manh george : 10/27/2014 4:19 pm : link
but what if, since he will be unsupervised, he decides not to come back within the period of time for which the meds still work?

We can all see where this is headed...or not.
This is all the way up in Manitoba.  
Section331 : 10/27/2014 4:30 pm : link
It's nothing to lose your head over.
I think cutting someone's head off for no apparent reason  
Some Fan : 10/27/2014 4:59 pm : link
would justify that you never get the fuck out of the mental hospital (unless you are in a horizontal position with no chance of becoming upright) regardless of how well you get along with hospital staff.
RE: I think cutting someone's head off for no apparent reason  
Zebra3 : 10/27/2014 5:07 pm : link
In comment 11942919 Some Fan said:
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would justify that you never get the fuck out of the mental hospital (unless you are in a horizontal position with no chance of becoming upright) regardless of how well you get along with hospital staff.


Don't forget he gutted and ate parts of this guy who did nothing but listen to headphones and sleep in the back of the bus. If this was my kid I would have that guy's head as an ashtray. Mental illnesses aside.
But "he" didn't do it....  
WideRight : 10/27/2014 6:01 pm : link
When he was insane, he was, from a psychiatric point of view, a different person. They are saying that the disordered thought processes that lead to the killing no longer exists.

If its been five years, and they medicated the crap out of him, I believe them.
Horrible miscarriage  
trueblueinpw : 10/27/2014 7:08 pm : link
I don't think anyone convicted of murder, insane or not, should ever be set free. It simply doesn't seem fair to me.

That said, there's some good yucks on this thread. As long as this guy stays up in Canada I suppose things will work out okay.
He ate the guy's eyeballs  
ConMan22 : 10/27/2014 7:18 pm : link
and had his nose and other pieces of his face stuffed into his pockets when arrested.

Great if he's no longer insane, but there's no reason he should ever be not institutionalized for the rest of his life.

At least the rapper that smoked PCP and cannibalized his roommate kind of had an excuse, but you don't see him walking free (nor should you).
Btw, I don't give a rat's ass how healthy the shrinks think he is...  
manh george : 10/27/2014 7:19 pm : link
I think the family of the beheaded earned the right to see this supposedly now-cured former schizophrenic do more time than this in a secure facility.

Detainment after an extreme crime serves a number of functions, not just punishment, or even the well-being of the community.. One of these is for the emotional well-being of the family of the beheaded. If they are now faced with severe emotional distress because of the lenient treatment of this supposedly former wacko, is that appropriate?

Btw, for those who know me here, I am usually in favor of relatively limited punishment for a host of types of bad behaviors. This isn't one of them.
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