TC: We'd like more out of Randle. Donnell's made some plays but we'd like more out of him too. Preston Parker's worked very hard; he's very quick. In the right situations Parker will make some plays
Francesa: questions the secondary and its injuries
TC: DRC's tried the best he can but he's not been himself. Prince has played relatively well, even against Dez (Mike concurs). Dez is just so good that he just makes plays few other receivers make
We need to play better everywhere. TC thinks JPP's played well and the effort is 100%. JPP's worked hard in practice and good things are going to be there. JPP's healthy. We've expected a lot from that DL but we've not stopped the run the way we've liked
Beason's tried everything possible to get all the way back but it is just not in the cards this year, so we agreed on the surgery. McClain will remain at MLB with the headset
Francesa: This has been a very tough stretch. 18 teams with winning records. The wild cards are going to be tough and these next 4 are top teams, one right after another.
TC: We've got a 9 game season and our level of play is not where it needs to be after looking at the games this weekend. We've got to play above the x's and o's. We need some plays from some people we don't expect.
Yes, because that's the key to those more points being scored that you want, Tom, with the make-up of your team.
Force that balance, if not even full on run-focus, and rush the ball even more.
I agree for this week. 30 points is the absolute minimum when going up against Luck, an angry Nicks and an angry AB. TC needs to air it out like crazy unless the weather is terrible
Coughlin certainly seems to understand that we need to hit on more big plays and put more points on the board. It's all over the league now. We gotta get it done.
Yes, because that's the key to those more points being scored that you want, Tom, with the make-up of your team.
Force that balance, if not even full on run-focus, and rush the ball even more.
I agree for this week. 30 points is the absolute minimum when going up against Luck, an angry Nicks and an angry AB. TC needs to air it out like crazy unless the weather is terrible
I don't think I've ever seen any emotion from Nick, let alone anger. The guy is "unaffected".
Coughlin certainly seems to understand that we need to hit on more big plays and put more points on the board. It's all over the league now. We gotta get it done.
Something made him go into a shell and I'm not sure why.
Yes, because that's the key to those more points being scored that you want, Tom, with the make-up of your team.
Force that balance, if not even full on run-focus, and rush the ball even more.
I agree for this week. 30 points is the absolute minimum when going up against Luck, an angry Nicks and an angry AB. TC needs to air it out like crazy unless the weather is terrible
I don't think I've ever seen any emotion from Nick, let alone anger. The guy is "unaffected".
Fair point on Nicks, I guess. But we know AB is going to be manic playing against us
Coughlin certainly seems to understand that we need to hit on more big plays and put more points on the board. It's all over the league now. We gotta get it done.
Something made him go into a shell and I'm not sure why.
Coughlin certainly seems to understand that we need to hit on more big plays and put more points on the board. It's all over the league now. We gotta get it done.
Something made him go into a shell and I'm not sure why.
He's always believed in the big play.
Maybe his QB getting near killed last year.
BINGO! You beat me to it. Tough to make your QB stand back and wait in a non-existent pocket for a deep play to develop.
There has to be an in-between. They've been playing 2 yards and a cloud of dust for two weeks. There's no reason for it. That wasn't what worked earlier this season.
The protection was good last week and we've had other weeks where it was good. It was very bad against the Eagles and it was also bad against Detroit.
Last week was a game where we could have been a little more aggressive in looking downfield so I don't buy that it's all because he's worried about getting Eli killed.
His QB's terrible play last year probably scarred him more than the OL
Manning's not that broken player anymore, but Coughlin's rigid stance on how they have to keep running at a very high clip because if they don't they'll just turn it over in the passing game pretty much says most of it as to what 2013 did to his mindset.
I think Rex has proven more and more that he is not a good HC. He was a loudmouthed gimmick when he first got to NY and took over a team at the right time, with a good D. However, his ability to oversee an entire team is nil. He needs to either go back to being a DC or get to a TV booth. either way, I wouldn't want to be the guy to hire him for his next HC job, especially not any time soon.
regarding throwing the ball down the field if the run doesn't work?
But Reese has some credibility as a SB winning GM to take on his coach, even if his suggestions are correct or not. I actually like the fact he's implying that the brakes should be taken off and Eli should throw it more. That being said, Reese has to understand that the OL he built better protect Eli long enough to throw the ball deep to the one legit deep threat we've got
Ok..there you go..Reese: "Be more aggressive, take away the
1. Need to be more aggressive down the field with Eli. If you can't run the ball throw it don't force the run.
2. Players have to step up on defense.
3. We are too cautious on offense, Eli is a big play quarterback. We need to take the reigns off of the offense.
4. Seems to take shots at Perry for not adjusting to injured players and the inability to rush the QB.
5. Have to score points to match.
6. Defense has to make stops, period.
7. Without saying it sounds like he is not happy with Kiwi's play or Jenkins.
8. Likes McClain at MLB to replace Beason.
9. Thinks that Jennings was big for them but Williams is missing cuts and too eager to just hit the hole. Said that Williams saw those cuts in preseason and camp.
Wow really down on Fewell with that part about coordinators get paid money to make adjustments.
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immediately overtake the #1 overall spot on the ineptitude list for NYC franchises?
This is weird, but still can't unseat the Wilpons.
Is that true? I know the Mets are in dire straits but that's at least partly due to the financial situation, isn't it?
Woody's got more than enough money. The Jets are profitable. They're not in cap trouble. His personal fortune is doing just fine. This is just plain old incompetence right here.
We should deal with the Jests and take Rex off their hands
in return for dealing a LB or OL at a low rd pick. Send Fewell back to Buffalo and let Rex learn how to coach by working under TC as his DC.
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Jests continue to be the Joke of NY/NJ
And you think it's a good idea to bring the Ringmaster to the Giants? Championship for who? Rex Ryan is a buffoon. I wouldn't want him anywhere near the Giants.
The Colts defense is ranked 15th after yesterday's disgrace.
I had class and missed it! Damn i figured it would be a good day after that loss, but didn't realize it would be this good by Mike F. I hope some people put it on youtube.
However, I think that's on the head coach, not the coordinator.
That's interesting Reese said that. Well, the OL stinks and we can't run block. We tried taking adv. of the Eagles secondary and tried passing concepts we didn't run previously and the Eagles beat us down.
So against Dallas, we went back to what we normally ran and while we lost, Eli had a 3 TD game. Quick passes meant the OL was efficient in pass blocking, but still stunk at run blocking.
Not sure what else Reese wants us to do. Fix the OL so that we can run more 5 and 7 drops and not get Eli killed. Add more weapons to the offense, then we don't have to be so cautious.
1. Need to be more aggressive down the field with Eli. If you can't run the ball throw it don't force the run.
2. Players have to step up on defense.
3. We are too cautious on offense, Eli is a big play quarterback. We need to take the reigns off of the offense.
4. Seems to take shots at Perry for not adjusting to injured players and the inability to rush the QB.
5. Have to score points to match.
6. Defense has to make stops, period.
7. Without saying it sounds like he is not happy with Kiwi's play or Jenkins.
8. Likes McClain at MLB to replace Beason.
9. Thinks that Jennings was big for them but Williams is missing cuts and too eager to just hit the hole. Said that Williams saw those cuts in preseason and camp.
Wow really down on Fewell with that part about coordinators get paid money to make adjustments.
Yeah was surprised with what he said about Perry. Glad he was open and honest, though. Always appreciated.
I don't think we're going to get it done that way.
We are not going to win throwing 30 picks again either. Everyone assumes "being more aggressive" doesn't mean more turnovers.
I don't think throwing more means a million interceptions, either. A good chunk of the picks that were thrown last year were Eli throwing to a spot where a receiver was supposed to break towards while the WR decided to run the wrong way.
I'm not suggesting we just get reckless and throw 55 times a game but trying to force the run game got us nowhere last week. It wasn't until we put the ball in Eli's hands late that we started moving right down the field on their defense. We should have done it earlier.
I'd rather take my chances with the ball in Eli's hands than watch run play after run play get stuffed for no gain and keep punting at the cost of "balance"
I think the Giants should ride whatever's working in a particular game
If we're shredding a particular team on the ground, stay with it until the defense stops it. Don't just start throwing for the sake of balance. If Eli only ends up with only 18 attempts, but the Giants win, so what?
On the other hand, if we're moving the chains at will in the air on another team that just can't cover our receivers or rush Eli, don't stop the momentum with one-yard and two-yard runs just to maintain a balanced offense. If we only run the ball 15 times, but win, so what?
You have to get a feel for each game's dynamics, and ride what's working. You can't go into a game and cling onto "balance" with white knuckles.
One could get the impression that Coughlin believes the being 'balanced' is so important that it is almost an end / goal rather than a means to and end / goal.
Sometimes (I think of the 2011 season NFC championship game) that running the ball, even when you are getting few yards is important to keep the defense guessing (and minimize the physical beating your QB is taking).
However, there have been times when clearly the running game is not working and Tom seems to push it regardless when moving away from "balance" (but not totally giving up on the run) seems more warranted.
Rather than Coughlin keep saying we need balance, I'd rather him say that the Giants will continue to work to improve the running game, but that they are willing to be "unbalanced" (as they were in SF) in order to win.
Francesa: questions the secondary and its injuries
TC: DRC's tried the best he can but he's not been himself. Prince has played relatively well, even against Dez (Mike concurs). Dez is just so good that he just makes plays few other receivers make
We need to play better everywhere. TC thinks JPP's played well and the effort is 100%. JPP's worked hard in practice and good things are going to be there. JPP's healthy. We've expected a lot from that DL but we've not stopped the run the way we've liked
Francesa: This has been a very tough stretch. 18 teams with winning records. The wild cards are going to be tough and these next 4 are top teams, one right after another.
TC: We've got a 9 game season and our level of play is not where it needs to be after looking at the games this weekend. We've got to play above the x's and o's. We need some plays from some people we don't expect.
Force that balance, if not even full on run-focus, and rush the ball even more.
Force that balance, if not even full on run-focus, and rush the ball even more.
I agree for this week. 30 points is the absolute minimum when going up against Luck, an angry Nicks and an angry AB. TC needs to air it out like crazy unless the weather is terrible
I don't think we're going to get it done that way.
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Yes, because that's the key to those more points being scored that you want, Tom, with the make-up of your team.
Force that balance, if not even full on run-focus, and rush the ball even more.
I agree for this week. 30 points is the absolute minimum when going up against Luck, an angry Nicks and an angry AB. TC needs to air it out like crazy unless the weather is terrible
I don't think I've ever seen any emotion from Nick, let alone anger. The guy is "unaffected".
Something made him go into a shell and I'm not sure why.
He's always believed in the big play.
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Yes, because that's the key to those more points being scored that you want, Tom, with the make-up of your team.
Force that balance, if not even full on run-focus, and rush the ball even more.
I agree for this week. 30 points is the absolute minimum when going up against Luck, an angry Nicks and an angry AB. TC needs to air it out like crazy unless the weather is terrible
I don't think I've ever seen any emotion from Nick, let alone anger. The guy is "unaffected".
Fair point on Nicks, I guess. But we know AB is going to be manic playing against us
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Coughlin certainly seems to understand that we need to hit on more big plays and put more points on the board. It's all over the league now. We gotta get it done.
Something made him go into a shell and I'm not sure why.
He's always believed in the big play.
Maybe his QB getting near killed last year.
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Coughlin certainly seems to understand that we need to hit on more big plays and put more points on the board. It's all over the league now. We gotta get it done.
Something made him go into a shell and I'm not sure why.
He's always believed in the big play.
Maybe his QB getting near killed last year.
BINGO! You beat me to it. Tough to make your QB stand back and wait in a non-existent pocket for a deep play to develop.
Last week was a game where we could have been a little more aggressive in looking downfield so I don't buy that it's all because he's worried about getting Eli killed.
Manning's not that broken player anymore, but Coughlin's rigid stance on how they have to keep running at a very high clip because if they don't they'll just turn it over in the passing game pretty much says most of it as to what 2013 did to his mindset.
But Reese has some credibility as a SB winning GM to take on his coach, even if his suggestions are correct or not. I actually like the fact he's implying that the brakes should be taken off and Eli should throw it more. That being said, Reese has to understand that the OL he built better protect Eli long enough to throw the ball deep to the one legit deep threat we've got
We'll see if this is so the second half now.
I disagree. Ben was hardly touched all game. Indy's pass rush sucks; give Eli time, and he can carve up Indy's secondary.
2. Players have to step up on defense.
3. We are too cautious on offense, Eli is a big play quarterback. We need to take the reigns off of the offense.
4. Seems to take shots at Perry for not adjusting to injured players and the inability to rush the QB.
5. Have to score points to match.
6. Defense has to make stops, period.
7. Without saying it sounds like he is not happy with Kiwi's play or Jenkins.
8. Likes McClain at MLB to replace Beason.
9. Thinks that Jennings was big for them but Williams is missing cuts and too eager to just hit the hole. Said that Williams saw those cuts in preseason and camp.
Wow really down on Fewell with that part about coordinators get paid money to make adjustments.
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has escapability and avoid the rush to make the plays. Vs Eli, pocket passer, will not have that advantage this week. Plus with OL breakdowns.
I disagree. Ben was hardly touched all game. Indy's pass rush sucks; give Eli time, and he can carve up Indy's secondary.
hoping so. we'll see monday night.
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immediately overtake the #1 overall spot on the ineptitude list for NYC franchises?
This is weird, but still can't unseat the Wilpons.
Is that true? I know the Mets are in dire straits but that's at least partly due to the financial situation, isn't it?
Woody's got more than enough money. The Jets are profitable. They're not in cap trouble. His personal fortune is doing just fine. This is just plain old incompetence right here.
CHAMPIONSHIP!!!
Jests continue to be the Joke of NY/NJ
CHAMPIONSHIP!!!
Jests continue to be the Joke of NY/NJ
And you think it's a good idea to bring the Ringmaster to the Giants? Championship for who? Rex Ryan is a buffoon. I wouldn't want him anywhere near the Giants.
I don't have particularly high hopes. But in today's NFL, nothing makes sense and anything can happen. So trying to predict anything is pointless.
I had class and missed it! Damn i figured it would be a good day after that loss, but didn't realize it would be this good by Mike F. I hope some people put it on youtube.
However, I think that's on the head coach, not the coordinator.
That's interesting Reese said that. Well, the OL stinks and we can't run block. We tried taking adv. of the Eagles secondary and tried passing concepts we didn't run previously and the Eagles beat us down.
So against Dallas, we went back to what we normally ran and while we lost, Eli had a 3 TD game. Quick passes meant the OL was efficient in pass blocking, but still stunk at run blocking.
Not sure what else Reese wants us to do. Fix the OL so that we can run more 5 and 7 drops and not get Eli killed. Add more weapons to the offense, then we don't have to be so cautious.
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Such a classic.
I don't think we're going to get it done that way.
2. Players have to step up on defense.
3. We are too cautious on offense, Eli is a big play quarterback. We need to take the reigns off of the offense.
4. Seems to take shots at Perry for not adjusting to injured players and the inability to rush the QB.
5. Have to score points to match.
6. Defense has to make stops, period.
7. Without saying it sounds like he is not happy with Kiwi's play or Jenkins.
8. Likes McClain at MLB to replace Beason.
9. Thinks that Jennings was big for them but Williams is missing cuts and too eager to just hit the hole. Said that Williams saw those cuts in preseason and camp.
Wow really down on Fewell with that part about coordinators get paid money to make adjustments.
Yeah was surprised with what he said about Perry. Glad he was open and honest, though. Always appreciated.
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Really hell bent on running the ball, though.
I don't think we're going to get it done that way.
We are not going to win throwing 30 picks again either. Everyone assumes "being more aggressive" doesn't mean more turnovers.
I don't think throwing more means a million interceptions, either. A good chunk of the picks that were thrown last year were Eli throwing to a spot where a receiver was supposed to break towards while the WR decided to run the wrong way.
I'm not suggesting we just get reckless and throw 55 times a game but trying to force the run game got us nowhere last week. It wasn't until we put the ball in Eli's hands late that we started moving right down the field on their defense. We should have done it earlier.
I'd rather take my chances with the ball in Eli's hands than watch run play after run play get stuffed for no gain and keep punting at the cost of "balance"
On the other hand, if we're moving the chains at will in the air on another team that just can't cover our receivers or rush Eli, don't stop the momentum with one-yard and two-yard runs just to maintain a balanced offense. If we only run the ball 15 times, but win, so what?
You have to get a feel for each game's dynamics, and ride what's working. You can't go into a game and cling onto "balance" with white knuckles.
I was waiting for this.....
Sometimes (I think of the 2011 season NFC championship game) that running the ball, even when you are getting few yards is important to keep the defense guessing (and minimize the physical beating your QB is taking).
However, there have been times when clearly the running game is not working and Tom seems to push it regardless when moving away from "balance" (but not totally giving up on the run) seems more warranted.
Rather than Coughlin keep saying we need balance, I'd rather him say that the Giants will continue to work to improve the running game, but that they are willing to be "unbalanced" (as they were in SF) in order to win.
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