stats are very similar, with Randle leading in yards and TDs. You could get into debates about whether Sanu is being fed the ball right now, but those go both ways -- it inflates stats but makes it harder to keep up decent catch %s. RR and MS are pretty close in % of targets caught, and I'd dismiss Sanu's slight edge there given his lower YPC -- deeper passes are easier to defend and harder to catch.
I wish and pray that Ruben Randle develops better,
I'm disappointed in Randle's production, unsure if it's in his performance or how he's being deployed by the OC, but it doesn't appear they're using him to his strengths (vertical, downfield, use his size and length versus the short, intermediate routes where he's not sudden or explosive enough in small spaces).
Same here. Sanu has the added weapons of being able to run and pass the ball, which he is called upon to do at various times. (Though I can't see RR ever being asked to do the same.) I thought Sanu would have made a very good possession receiver in the Gilbride offense.
stats are very similar, with Randle leading in yards and TDs. You could get into debates about whether Sanu is being fed the ball right now, but those go both ways -- it inflates stats but makes it harder to keep up decent catch %s. RR and MS are pretty close in % of targets caught, and I'd dismiss Sanu's slight edge there given his lower YPC -- deeper passes are easier to defend and harder to catch.
That's changed in 2014. Sanu has caught 35 for 533 and Randle has caught 34 for 321. Sanu has also tossed a TD pass in each of his seasons in the NFL.
I think the key difference is that Sanu has developed/improved much more during his NFL career than Randle. Randle's lack of improvement has been a source of disappointment on this board. At this point, both have become their team's top receiver due to Cruz/Greene's injuries. Sanu has certainly answered the call. I'm not sure whether Greene went out the same week as Cruz, but the comparison will be interesting.
but I wouldn't get carried away. Both came into this season as the #2 WR however Sanu has benefited from 4 games as the #1 without Green (and there's not much behind him on the depth chart) to Randle's 1.5 games without Cruz while learning a new offense. In their careers, Randle has played 7 more games and has more targets, yards, ypc and TDs. We'll see how it looks going forward.
but I wouldn't get carried away. Both came into this season as the #2 WR however Sanu has benefited from 4 games as the #1 without Green (and there's not much behind him on the depth chart) to Randle's 1.5 games without Cruz while learning a new offense. In their careers, Randle has played 7 more games and has more targets, yards, ypc and TDs. We'll see how it looks going forward.
It's definitely reactionary, but I haven't seen anything from Randle that makes me think he has the potential to be a #1. He's a solid WR, but (so far) he lacks the explosive play making ability you'd expect from a #1. I'd argue in his 2+ games, that Beckham has shown more ability to make plays after the catch, then Randle has shown in his career.
It wasn't just yesterday. Sanu had a 10/120/1 game 2 weeks ago, too. He's been very, very good. He's showing big play ability and seems to really be coming into his own.
I think Randle could be a very good #2 WR, in the mold of Toomer. He's just not the type of WR that's going to take a 5 yard pass and turn it into a 20+ yard gain. Or consistently beat doubles.
Those are things I expect out of a true #1. A healthy/prime Nicks was a true #1 WR. Cruz on the other hand I viewed more as a great #2 because of his play making ability, but never considered him a true #1 because he tended to disappear when he was the primary receiving weapon.
Sanu also shows a YAC ability that Randle doesnt have
His lack of times speed dropped his grade. Huge production with shit QBs at Rutgers. The Giants would have had to grab him in Rd 2 has he went before their 3rd round pick.
Sanu also has Dalton who IMO is mediocre. Elinis better even w out the crappy OL.
Randle is going to get his shot at plenty of receptions now. IMO Sanu is got a much higher football IQ. Both will be needed to step up so it's a good comparison to watch
didn't have a reception over 34 yards his first two years. I think we need to relax about him being a better big play receiver than Randle. He's also 2 years older than Randle so you should expect him to be ahead of Randle.
I think Randle will still prove to be the correct pick.
But the real "no brainer" swap for a Bengals' draftee was a year earlier in the 2011 draft when the Giants drafted Jernigan and left Clint Boling, a versatile 4 year OL starter from Georgia IIRC, on the board. Boling has started since the beginning of his second season at OLG for the Bengals, whose OL is better than the Giants'.
His Bio on the Bengals' current depth chart reads -
Boling made a quicker-than-expected recovery from a December 2013 knee injury and has reclaimed his spot as starting LG ... Bengals allowed no sacks in Games 1-3 for first time in franchise history ... Suffered the knee injury last Dec. 1 at San Diego.
originally projected as a #1 pick but dropped in value during the draft. Reese and Ross thought they got a steal "again" in the second round. Work ethic and inability to get separation from NFL DBs were the knock on Randle that made him drop. Who was right ?
For one, Randle has Eli throwing to him; lot better than Dalton. On the other hand, Sanu benefits big time by having AJ Green draw the attention of the defense. Since Randle and the rest of the Giants are learning a new offense on the fly, it doesn't pay to draw any conclusions now.
was our best pick the year he was drafted and unfortunately I've been proven correct again.
In terms of comparison, it's too soon to make a judgement. Randle struggled in Gilbride's offense as 95% of receivers including Sanu would have. We just have to hope he flourishes in this new offense.
For one, Randle has Eli throwing to him; lot better than Dalton. On the other hand, Sanu benefits big time by having AJ Green draw the attention of the defense. Since Randle and the rest of the Giants are learning a new offense on the fly, it doesn't pay to draw any conclusions now.
Sanu has flourished with AJ Green on the sidelines these last few weeks so I wouldn't say he's just the benefactor of the guy on the other side drawing more attention.
Sanu had 10 catches for 120 yards 2 weeks ago in a game where everyone knew he was getting the ball. Carolina still couldn't stop him.
If you're comparing the 2 WRs, talking about Sanu's statistics over the last 4 games doesn't tell as much about the comparison as the 2 years prior to this year. And, it's inconceivable to me that Sanu hasn't benefited from having a great WR to draw coverage. In fact, I'm pretty sure that the Bengals had another WR ahead of Sanu in the depth chart who is injured but maybe not. Point of fact though, after a pretty good start, in the last 4 games, the Bengals won only 1 game and were lucky to win that one.
Same here. Sanu has the added weapons of being able to run and pass the ball, which he is called upon to do at various times. (Though I can't see RR ever being asked to do the same.) I thought Sanu would have made a very good possession receiver in the Gilbride offense.
That's changed in 2014. Sanu has caught 35 for 533 and Randle has caught 34 for 321. Sanu has also tossed a TD pass in each of his seasons in the NFL.
I think the key difference is that Sanu has developed/improved much more during his NFL career than Randle. Randle's lack of improvement has been a source of disappointment on this board. At this point, both have become their team's top receiver due to Cruz/Greene's injuries. Sanu has certainly answered the call. I'm not sure whether Greene went out the same week as Cruz, but the comparison will be interesting.
It's definitely reactionary, but I haven't seen anything from Randle that makes me think he has the potential to be a #1. He's a solid WR, but (so far) he lacks the explosive play making ability you'd expect from a #1. I'd argue in his 2+ games, that Beckham has shown more ability to make plays after the catch, then Randle has shown in his career.
Those are things I expect out of a true #1. A healthy/prime Nicks was a true #1 WR. Cruz on the other hand I viewed more as a great #2 because of his play making ability, but never considered him a true #1 because he tended to disappear when he was the primary receiving weapon.
Sanu also has Dalton who IMO is mediocre. Elinis better even w out the crappy OL.
Randle is going to get his shot at plenty of receptions now. IMO Sanu is got a much higher football IQ. Both will be needed to step up so it's a good comparison to watch
I think Randle will still prove to be the correct pick.
But the real "no brainer" swap for a Bengals' draftee was a year earlier in the 2011 draft when the Giants drafted Jernigan and left Clint Boling, a versatile 4 year OL starter from Georgia IIRC, on the board. Boling has started since the beginning of his second season at OLG for the Bengals, whose OL is better than the Giants'.
His Bio on the Bengals' current depth chart reads -
Boling made a quicker-than-expected recovery from a December 2013 knee injury and has reclaimed his spot as starting LG ... Bengals allowed no sacks in Games 1-3 for first time in franchise history ... Suffered the knee injury last Dec. 1 at San Diego.
sigh...
Sanu caught 47 balls 455 yards on 77 targets last season for 2 tds. Nothing spectacular.
Before Green went down this year he caught 2 tds but his yard totals were 36, 84, 44, 70. Not bad but not blowing away the competition.
In terms of comparison, it's too soon to make a judgement. Randle struggled in Gilbride's offense as 95% of receivers including Sanu would have. We just have to hope he flourishes in this new offense.
Sanu has flourished with AJ Green on the sidelines these last few weeks so I wouldn't say he's just the benefactor of the guy on the other side drawing more attention.
Sanu had 10 catches for 120 yards 2 weeks ago in a game where everyone knew he was getting the ball. Carolina still couldn't stop him.