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2012 NFL Re-draft: WRs Ruben Randle vs Mohamed Sanu

dk in TX : 10/27/2014 2:06 pm
Discuss.
No  
PeterS : 10/27/2014 2:11 pm : link
clue. I wanted MS to be a Giant!
Randle has probably been better  
Deej : 10/27/2014 2:13 pm : link
stats are very similar, with Randle leading in yards and TDs. You could get into debates about whether Sanu is being fed the ball right now, but those go both ways -- it inflates stats but makes it harder to keep up decent catch %s. RR and MS are pretty close in % of targets caught, and I'd dismiss Sanu's slight edge there given his lower YPC -- deeper passes are easier to defend and harder to catch.
I wish and pray that Ruben Randle develops better,  
dk in TX : 10/27/2014 2:16 pm : link
He lack Sanu's presence and big play ability. Cincinnati uses San as a Swiss Army knife.
I haven't seen enough of Sanu  
JonC : 10/27/2014 2:17 pm : link
I'm disappointed in Randle's production, unsure if it's in his performance or how he's being deployed by the OC, but it doesn't appear they're using him to his strengths (vertical, downfield, use his size and length versus the short, intermediate routes where he's not sudden or explosive enough in small spaces).
RR  
spike : 10/27/2014 2:17 pm : link
might be a star WR on the Bengals. He's a no 2 at best here
RE: No  
Mike in Philly : 10/27/2014 2:18 pm : link
In comment 11942437 PeterS said:
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clue. I wanted MS to be a Giant!

Same here. Sanu has the added weapons of being able to run and pass the ball, which he is called upon to do at various times. (Though I can't see RR ever being asked to do the same.) I thought Sanu would have made a very good possession receiver in the Gilbride offense.
San = Sanu  
dk in TX : 10/27/2014 2:19 pm : link
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No comparison  
jeff57 : 10/27/2014 2:20 pm : link
Sanu is really blossoming and making catches Randle can only dream of making.
I  
AcidTest : 10/27/2014 2:30 pm : link
am higher on RR than most here, but Sanu is better. And he was a Rutgers boy, right in our own backyard.
NYG had a 1st round grade on RR  
JonC : 10/27/2014 2:32 pm : link
a 2nd or 3rd on Sanu, I forget which, fwiw.
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arcarsenal : 10/27/2014 2:33 pm : link
Sanu is a better player than Randle right now. Sanu has been very good this year and he's really emerged with AJ on the sidelines.
Sanu  
dk in TX : 10/27/2014 2:37 pm : link
Was a third round draft pick.
You Sanu-ze, you Lose  
Giantology : 10/27/2014 2:39 pm : link
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I did not like that Sanu  
dk in TX : 10/27/2014 2:39 pm : link
Said that he would rather be a Jet than a Giants before the draft.
RE: Randle has probably been better  
njm : 10/27/2014 2:51 pm : link
In comment 11942445 Deej said:
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stats are very similar, with Randle leading in yards and TDs. You could get into debates about whether Sanu is being fed the ball right now, but those go both ways -- it inflates stats but makes it harder to keep up decent catch %s. RR and MS are pretty close in % of targets caught, and I'd dismiss Sanu's slight edge there given his lower YPC -- deeper passes are easier to defend and harder to catch.


That's changed in 2014. Sanu has caught 35 for 533 and Randle has caught 34 for 321. Sanu has also tossed a TD pass in each of his seasons in the NFL.

I think the key difference is that Sanu has developed/improved much more during his NFL career than Randle. Randle's lack of improvement has been a source of disappointment on this board. At this point, both have become their team's top receiver due to Cruz/Greene's injuries. Sanu has certainly answered the call. I'm not sure whether Greene went out the same week as Cruz, but the comparison will be interesting.
I'm not sure but  
Curtis in VA : 10/27/2014 3:51 pm : link
how much time does Cincy's QB have to throw the ball vs the Giants QB?
Right now Sanu is blossoming into a #1 and a star  
PatersonPlank : 10/27/2014 4:11 pm : link
Randle is resigned to a functional #2 or #3. I don't see any doubt that Sanu is better, and will continue to be better.
I'm guessing this is a bit reactionary after Sanu's game yetserday  
sjnyfan : 10/27/2014 4:33 pm : link
but I wouldn't get carried away. Both came into this season as the #2 WR however Sanu has benefited from 4 games as the #1 without Green (and there's not much behind him on the depth chart) to Randle's 1.5 games without Cruz while learning a new offense. In their careers, Randle has played 7 more games and has more targets, yards, ypc and TDs. We'll see how it looks going forward.
I wanted Randle  
jlukes : 10/27/2014 4:35 pm : link
I was wrong.
RE: I'm guessing this is a bit reactionary after Sanu's game yetserday  
GIANTSr01 : 10/27/2014 4:39 pm : link
In comment 11942879 sjnyfan said:
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but I wouldn't get carried away. Both came into this season as the #2 WR however Sanu has benefited from 4 games as the #1 without Green (and there's not much behind him on the depth chart) to Randle's 1.5 games without Cruz while learning a new offense. In their careers, Randle has played 7 more games and has more targets, yards, ypc and TDs. We'll see how it looks going forward.


It's definitely reactionary, but I haven't seen anything from Randle that makes me think he has the potential to be a #1. He's a solid WR, but (so far) he lacks the explosive play making ability you'd expect from a #1. I'd argue in his 2+ games, that Beckham has shown more ability to make plays after the catch, then Randle has shown in his career.
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arcarsenal : 10/27/2014 4:40 pm : link
It wasn't just yesterday. Sanu had a 10/120/1 game 2 weeks ago, too. He's been very, very good. He's showing big play ability and seems to really be coming into his own.
I should add  
GIANTSr01 : 10/27/2014 4:45 pm : link
I think Randle could be a very good #2 WR, in the mold of Toomer. He's just not the type of WR that's going to take a 5 yard pass and turn it into a 20+ yard gain. Or consistently beat doubles.

Those are things I expect out of a true #1. A healthy/prime Nicks was a true #1 WR. Cruz on the other hand I viewed more as a great #2 because of his play making ability, but never considered him a true #1 because he tended to disappear when he was the primary receiving weapon.
Sanu also shows a YAC ability that Randle doesnt have  
jlukes : 10/27/2014 4:49 pm : link
Sanu would be fantastic in our current offense. He reminds of a bigger/stronger/slightly slower version of Victor Cruz
Randle at the end of this season will be as good as he will ever get !  
Jupiter : 10/27/2014 4:54 pm : link
I hope he picks it up in the second half.
Sanu has better hands.  
LauderdaleMatty : 10/27/2014 4:56 pm : link
His lack of times speed dropped his grade. Huge production with shit QBs at Rutgers. The Giants would have had to grab him in Rd 2 has he went before their 3rd round pick.

Sanu also has Dalton who IMO is mediocre. Elinis better even w out the crappy OL.

Randle is going to get his shot at plenty of receptions now. IMO Sanu is got a much higher football IQ. Both will be needed to step up so it's a good comparison to watch
Sanu  
chris r : 10/27/2014 5:07 pm : link
didn't have a reception over 34 yards his first two years. I think we need to relax about him being a better big play receiver than Randle. He's also 2 years older than Randle so you should expect him to be ahead of Randle.

I think Randle will still prove to be the correct pick.
Rather have kept Mario,  
Doomster : 10/27/2014 5:11 pm : link
and used the pick for a need...
At the time of the draft I wanted Sanu more and was not impressed  
BlueLou : 10/27/2014 6:17 pm : link
by Randle's college tape so much as Sanu's.

But the real "no brainer" swap for a Bengals' draftee was a year earlier in the 2011 draft when the Giants drafted Jernigan and left Clint Boling, a versatile 4 year OL starter from Georgia IIRC, on the board. Boling has started since the beginning of his second season at OLG for the Bengals, whose OL is better than the Giants'.

His Bio on the Bengals' current depth chart reads -

Boling made a quicker-than-expected recovery from a December 2013 knee injury and has reclaimed his spot as starting LG ... Bengals allowed no sacks in Games 1-3 for first time in franchise history ... Suffered the knee injury last Dec. 1 at San Diego.

sigh...
Randle was  
TMS : 10/27/2014 6:20 pm : link
originally projected as a #1 pick but dropped in value during the draft. Reese and Ross thought they got a steal "again" in the second round. Work ethic and inability to get separation from NFL DBs were the knock on Randle that made him drop. Who was right ?
Hard to Tell  
Samiam : 10/27/2014 7:09 pm : link
For one, Randle has Eli throwing to him; lot better than Dalton. On the other hand, Sanu benefits big time by having AJ Green draw the attention of the defense. Since Randle and the rest of the Giants are learning a new offense on the fly, it doesn't pay to draw any conclusions now.
Sanu  
Stagger Lee : 10/27/2014 7:25 pm : link
hasn't really done shit outside of the last 4 games with Green out. So saying Green draws attention opening things up for him isn't that accurate.

Sanu caught 47 balls 455 yards on 77 targets last season for 2 tds. Nothing spectacular.

Before Green went down this year he caught 2 tds but his yard totals were 36, 84, 44, 70. Not bad but not blowing away the competition.
Sanu stats has been hampered by injury  
dk in TX : 10/27/2014 7:33 pm : link
vis-a-vis Randle. Sanu out last year for a considerable length of time due to knee injury.
I said Randle  
BigBlueCane : 10/27/2014 7:37 pm : link
was our best pick the year he was drafted and unfortunately I've been proven correct again.

In terms of comparison, it's too soon to make a judgement. Randle struggled in Gilbride's offense as 95% of receivers including Sanu would have. We just have to hope he flourishes in this new offense.
RE: Hard to Tell  
arcarsenal : 10/27/2014 8:00 pm : link
In comment 11943090 Samiam said:
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For one, Randle has Eli throwing to him; lot better than Dalton. On the other hand, Sanu benefits big time by having AJ Green draw the attention of the defense. Since Randle and the rest of the Giants are learning a new offense on the fly, it doesn't pay to draw any conclusions now.


Sanu has flourished with AJ Green on the sidelines these last few weeks so I wouldn't say he's just the benefactor of the guy on the other side drawing more attention.

Sanu had 10 catches for 120 yards 2 weeks ago in a game where everyone knew he was getting the ball. Carolina still couldn't stop him.
Don't Agree  
Samiam : 10/27/2014 11:01 pm : link
If you're comparing the 2 WRs, talking about Sanu's statistics over the last 4 games doesn't tell as much about the comparison as the 2 years prior to this year. And, it's inconceivable to me that Sanu hasn't benefited from having a great WR to draw coverage. In fact, I'm pretty sure that the Bengals had another WR ahead of Sanu in the depth chart who is injured but maybe not. Point of fact though, after a pretty good start, in the last 4 games, the Bengals won only 1 game and were lucky to win that one.
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