of silly for Jackson to pump this kid up... doesn't that make other teams more likely to take a look?
“Travis Wear is another impressive rookie,” Knicks President Phil Jackson told ESPN.com. “He’s 6-10 with a terrific handle, outstanding athleticism and a nice touch from beyond the arc. He was overshadowed at UCLA, but has the skill set to play every position from 1 to 4. We’ll eventually place him in the D-League, where his possible NBA future solely depends on his ability to learn how to defend.”
and such it's possible Outlaw's total cap and luxury hit was way north of $10 million or so. Just another side benefit of the Bargs trade (i.e. his big salary on the books for this season) and other overpays over the years.
really hope Jackson hyping up Barnagni is just lip service. I despise watching him play.
it's no coincidence we played a lot better last season once he went down with the season ending injury. He's an offense only player who sucks on offense.
really hope Jackson hyping up Barnagni is just lip service. I despise watching him play.
it's no coincidence we played a lot better last season once he went down with the season ending injury. He's an offense only player who sucks on offense.
He looks like he's never played the sport of basketball at times. I understand IN THEORY why coming into the draft people liked him but he's as if Dirk's talent was sucked out by a vacuum.
It will never happen but it should. The way they're running that team is very detrimental to the league. Other owners should be up in arms over the shit product the Sixers are foisting on the league -- and remember, half their games are played on the road, so the other owners are absolutely suffering in ticket sales whenever the Sixers come to town.
and the Sixers trade him. I guess they figured they wouldn't have to worry about that possibility with Outlaw. What they are doing is a league-wide embarrassment.
is that Philly is 100% executing the proper strategy given the CBA and the draft lottery rules. Plenty of teams have tanked before but it would seem nobody has done it on this scale before.
Save some dough and it's more than just 2 million dollars because we're in the luxury tax...so a 2nd rounder and a swap of second rounders for a saving of more than 2 million...
is that they keep drafting guys that cant play their rookie year. If they had Noel last year or Embiid this year they might not be as horrible.
And i 100% agree that PHilly is doing this the right way. If you arent going to be good then you might as well be horrible. it would suck as a fan that you dont get to see your rookies like Noel or Embiid, but they are both guys that they got a few spots below where they would have gone if they were not hurt.
Dolan is/was his willingness to spend. You can't call him cheap, after the payroll for this team is still sky high. But it's clear he's mainly interested in keeping the building full and not necessarily in traditional team building.
My opinion is volatile, and I'll gladly change it if we had any other motive to do this deal other than to get Dolan more coke money.
fleeced is a strong word. But it's just the latest in a long line of moves where we needlessly give up minor (and sometimes major) assets for seemingly no reason.
Jackson got $4.7 million in non-cap money back... Â
for a distant second and a switch of another distant second. He should be able to get that back by buying seconds by the time those seconds come due. Given that, a swap of waiver candidates doesn't seem like much of a fleece. And if he is successful in putting together a top-40% team, then those seconds won't be worth much.
Phil saved Dolan 4.7 million in this deal. Do you know how much it is to a buy a second rounder? 750k at most, and that is for a beginning of the second round pick. This deal is a money deal, muchado about nothing. We can buy plenty of second rounders going forward if Jackson sees anyone he wants.
Jeremy Tyler was waived by both Sacramento and the Lakers since he left us. He is now a proud starter for Shanxi Zhongyu. At least I think he's a starter.
but to be honest I really don't care much about whether he saves Dolan money or not. Since it doesn't appear to help them with the cap it is all about Dolans bottom line.
That said you want a GM who does care and values the owners money so I appreciate the move by Jackson in that sense.
Not sure how you see that. Is the team better or worse today? Honestly, even without the 2nd they are exactly the same. We can all laugh off the $4.7mm as insignificant - because we never get to see it. But Jackson just turned a future $1mm asset (value of a current top second rounder - being generous here) into nearly $5mm asset today. By dumping the same player he planned to dump. It's an anti Zeke move. Very screwed move, and a good sign of things to come.
We lost the deal when it comes to actual assets. We saved Dolan more coke money, yay. I don't give a fuck, he's still charging me the same amount to go watch his team.
This is strictly a business move that has nothing to do with basketball. A type of move fans would be crying about if we still weren't in the honeymoon phase with Phil Jackson. And I love Zen Master. The only people who won this deal are the 76ers tankfest and James Dolan. No one else.
This isn't a big move, so I don't care. But lets call a spade a spade.
come on, we traded some future second rounders to save some tax money. Im not crazy about sending picks to save money, but its not exactly a disaster. As others have said we can easily buy 4 or 5 second rounders that 5 mill we saved.
there is a $3 million cap each year on how much cash you can send out in transactions. If you send out money in a trade, then you have that much less available to purchase draft picks.
that all of a sudden Phil would make a move that gave a short term benefit of cash at the expense of the team's ability to execute in the draft/FA market. In Phil I trust!
but we sent out a 2019 second and a chance to swap in 2018 when Philly will prolly still be bad. That means we have like 4 seasons to recoup those picks so its almost like saying you have 12 mill to recoup that 2019 pick. I think we can find a way.
Does anyone know if this helps us in a repeat tax offender way? Or are we so far over that it doesnt matter at all. Im assuming the latter.
are major assets, but we were working with an already depleted stockpile and now it just got lighter. We now have that much less to offer as sweeteners in trades (as all of our previously traded picks were used). No matter how you view it, our ability to acquire future talent just took a (minor) hit. And yes you can buy second rounders, but to me that just means instead of plucking 2 or 3 second rounders (if we were to purchase a pick or picks in addition to our own had we kept it) in those years we're looking at just 1 or 2.
but we sent out a 2019 second and a chance to swap in 2018 when Philly will prolly still be bad. That means we have like 4 seasons to recoup those picks so its almost like saying you have 12 mill to recoup that 2019 pick. I think we can find a way.
Does anyone know if this helps us in a repeat tax offender way? Or are we so far over that it doesnt matter at all. Im assuming the latter.
none of our lousy beat writers have bothered to do the math on this. Regardless, this version of the CBA expires in 2 years so all of the tax limits and penalties are going to be brand new before we know it, or completely eliminated.
there's definitely a reason. $$.
saving the salary and associated luxury tax immediately comes to mind.
“Travis Wear is another impressive rookie,” Knicks President Phil Jackson told ESPN.com. “He’s 6-10 with a terrific handle, outstanding athleticism and a nice touch from beyond the arc. He was overshadowed at UCLA, but has the skill set to play every position from 1 to 4. We’ll eventually place him in the D-League, where his possible NBA future solely depends on his ability to learn how to defend.”
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There has to me more to it. There's no reason to trade a player and a pick when Outlaw is on his last year if you want to clear a roster spot.
there's definitely a reason. $$.
Seems weird to value the cash more than the draft selection.
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There has to me more to it. There's no reason to trade a player and a pick when Outlaw is on his last year if you want to clear a roster spot.
there's definitely a reason. $$.
Seems weird to value the cash more than the draft selection.
if you've been following this team for an extended period of time, nothing is out of the ordinary.
Meet the new boss...
it's no coincidence we played a lot better last season once he went down with the season ending injury. He's an offense only player who sucks on offense.
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really hope Jackson hyping up Barnagni is just lip service. I despise watching him play.
it's no coincidence we played a lot better last season once he went down with the season ending injury. He's an offense only player who sucks on offense.
He looks like he's never played the sport of basketball at times. I understand IN THEORY why coming into the draft people liked him but he's as if Dirk's talent was sucked out by a vacuum.
And i 100% agree that PHilly is doing this the right way. If you arent going to be good then you might as well be horrible. it would suck as a fan that you dont get to see your rookies like Noel or Embiid, but they are both guys that they got a few spots below where they would have gone if they were not hurt.
now Jimmy has more money for fedoras and guitars! Yay us!
Guys like that don't grow on trees. Definitely worth a look, especially for a guy such as Outlaw, who probably was not going to play.
Guys like that don't grow on trees. Definitely worth a look, especially for a guy such as Outlaw, who probably was not going to play.
if you're referring to Moultrie, he's already gone.
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Marc Stein: Additional movitvation for Knicks to do Travis Outlaw deal: They just shaved nearly $4.7 million off their luxury-tax bill with this trade
now Jimmy has more money for fedoras and guitars! Yay us!
I see what Jax did here. Next time Dolan calls to recommend a trade, Jax will say "I saved you $4.7 million on Outlaw. Leave me alone."
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My opinion is volatile, and I'll gladly change it if we had any other motive to do this deal other than to get Dolan more coke money.
My opinion is volatile, and I'll gladly change it if we had any other motive to do this deal other than to get Dolan more coke money.
fleeced is a strong word. But it's just the latest in a long line of moves where we needlessly give up minor (and sometimes major) assets for seemingly no reason.
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That said you want a GM who does care and values the owners money so I appreciate the move by Jackson in that sense.
This is strictly a business move that has nothing to do with basketball. A type of move fans would be crying about if we still weren't in the honeymoon phase with Phil Jackson. And I love Zen Master. The only people who won this deal are the 76ers tankfest and James Dolan. No one else.
This isn't a big move, so I don't care. But lets call a spade a spade.
Exactly. So I don't see how we got "fleeced"
Though I would've liked to have put Moultrie in Westchester and see how he developed
there is a $3 million cap each year on how much cash you can send out in transactions. If you send out money in a trade, then you have that much less available to purchase draft picks.
Does anyone know if this helps us in a repeat tax offender way? Or are we so far over that it doesnt matter at all. Im assuming the latter.
Does anyone know if this helps us in a repeat tax offender way? Or are we so far over that it doesnt matter at all. Im assuming the latter.
none of our lousy beat writers have bothered to do the math on this. Regardless, this version of the CBA expires in 2 years so all of the tax limits and penalties are going to be brand new before we know it, or completely eliminated.