It's not worth compromising your integrity to put your loyalties behind either of these "teams" (or the Eagles). Just let it play out. Look at the bright side, one of them will lose.
For Dallas to keep winning and Philly keep losing. One of the two are winning division. Just hope philly implodes and giants can have a shot at wildcard
Washington team all the way. Love to see Jones get beat in his cowshit palace. Washington team ain't winning the division so them beating the Pokes keeps us in the hunt.
I also wonder if this is the game where Demarco Murray goes down with his annual multi game injury. Not that I'm rooting for him to get hurt but there's been all talk about the "new Triplets in Dallas" . I'm no fucking Cowboy fan, but Emmitt Smith was an time great in every way and tough as a 2 dollar steak. Murrays having a nice season but I just dont think he'll stay healthy much longer. He's got a long, long way to go before he's anywhere near the player that Emmitt was.
they've got some "no-names" who are playing well like Crawford up front. And McClain was a huge addition for them...he would have really helped us out had we known he would turn it around like this.
Just because people don't recognize the Dallas personnel.. Â
...doesn't mean they can't have guys who are playing well. A few of them are.
But their defense really is not that good on the whole. They're just on the field less than almost any other defense in football because their offense is on the field more than anyone else.
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...doesn't mean they can't have guys who are playing well. A few of them are.
But their defense really is not that good on the whole. They're just on the field less than almost any other defense in football because their offense is on the field more than anyone else.
They are definitely playing better than what was expected. Whether that stays or not is unlikely, but their defense could be much, much worse.
Their defense was historically bad last year to the point where it was just assumed they were going to be horrendous. Being mediocre seems like an achievement in comparison.
It's not going to last all year. They're just not good. They don't get to the QB, they're not very good on 3rd downs and they've played with a lot of leads.
is on thin ice. Romo is an IR waiting to happen, and Murray has never stayed healthy for a whole season. an injury to either of them and that changes everything in the NFCE. Philly is a fraud. Foles is trash.
If the cowboys stay healthy they can win 10 - 12 games. that'd be tough to catch
but we have better corners than wash. it's a gamble, but the blitz has to be well designed, called at the right time, and someone has to get home.
Giants are a terrible blitzing team. awful. but good blitzing can help compensate for a poor secondary. Spags did that a lot in the 07 run. protected our street free agent corners with blitzes
we also had mitchell and pierce who were decent blitzers. as was gibril. front four was great, but we sent guys and it worked. Spags had either a better designed blitz or a better feel for when to call it. they were more effective
Problem is Skins need to stop the run, Romo's banged up, if they go to Cousins and free up Garçon and Desean they can hang. With McCoy they have little chance...
I could be wrong but wasnt that guy desean Jackson? If it was I can't comprehend the decision to chuck it deep into double coverage when you have punt returner with a wide open field in front of him.
Why does the defensive player not have to make a 'football move' before losing control of the ball in the end zone in order to call it an interception?
Agreed. I'm happy with Beckham and Richburg, but Martin is excellent. We could have taken Martin and then Cody Latimer in the second, who went to Denver. Latimer doesn't have a catch, but he was really good in college.
I could be wrong but wasnt that guy desean Jackson? If it was I can't comprehend the decision to chuck it deep into double coverage when you have punt returner with a wide open field in front of him.
Yep. Mind boggling.
Huge fumble, though. This is why being able to force turnovers is big.
those penalties offset. If they do the rule is ridiculous
Agreed. The two personal fouls, sure, but what happened to the illegal hands to the face? That's gotta be marked off
Ok so they call the DB for illegal contact. Then they both get penalties after the play. Seems that it should have been 5yd 1st down and then offsetting penalties...
those penalties offset. If they do the rule is ridiculous
Agreed. The two personal fouls, sure, but what happened to the illegal hands to the face? That's gotta be marked off
Ok so they call the DB for illegal contact. Then they both get penalties after the play. Seems that it should have been 5yd 1st down and then offsetting penalties...
We can say that but look at how fucking bad they were against us. They were by far the worst defense we played this year. Eli should have had 5 TD passes that night plus the one he ran for. We absolutely shredded them. They had no answer for us and we really haven't played like that against anyone else. We were good against HOU and ATL but not like that.
Side note... I'm starting to think Helu is better than Morris.
but Romo doesn't seem likely to make it to the finish line. Brandon Weeden and Colt McCoy might be the worst QB matchup that doesn't involve Geno Smith.
Past the strippers down the stairs and through the dude ranch and up past Jerry's brothel where he finally can get to the locker room. One of the drawbacks of Jerrah's World.
Always gets hurt easy....last year we had him hurt
and fewell backed off. .this year we didnt do much..
fewell is rod rust...tc should be fired w these
assistants
Past the strippers down the stairs and through the dude ranch and up past Jerry's brothel where he finally can get to the locker room. One of the drawbacks of Jerrah's World.
Past the strippers down the stairs and through the dude ranch and up past Jerry's brothel where he finally can get to the locker room. One of the drawbacks of Jerrah's World.
You've got the owner/GM on the field, giving the coach his evaluation of what's going on with Romo in the middle of the game. I mean, come the fuck on.
You've got the owner/GM on the field, giving the coach his evaluation of what's going on with Romo in the middle of the game. I mean, come the fuck on.
to his lower back beneath his padding. The damage could be anything from a bruise to distruption of what was surgically repaired. We'll just have to wait and see.
To be truthful, I'm not comfortable rooting for Romo to be badly hurt. Sure, I want Dallas to be weakened but I can't bring myself to be anything like those Philly fans who cheered and pumped their fists while Victor was on the ground writhing in pain.
problem for Dallas going forward, is that everyone is just going to blitz the shit out of Romo. He's probably going to need shots for the rest of the season, he won't have nearly the same mobility, and will be less likely to run. That bad back has to affect his throwing as well.
Our blitzers look so fucking slow. These guys are flying to the QB and getting there in 2 seconds flat. Ours just run into linemen and never even get there.
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Our blitzers look so fucking slow. These guys are flying to the QB and getting there in 2 seconds flat. Ours just run into linemen and never even get there.
Just confirms to me how bad Fewell is. You have to make the quarterback uncomfortable in the game today and the Giants have a habit of making quarterbacks very comfortable.
Our blitzers look so fucking slow. These guys are flying to the QB and getting there in 2 seconds flat. Ours just run into linemen and never even get there.
LOL Arc, you are just noticing this shit now? Or.. When they do get their the QB moves 2 feet to the left or right and our guys go right by. Even watching Luck get smashed by Blitzburgh was fun to see.
Our blitzers look so fucking slow. These guys are flying to the QB and getting there in 2 seconds flat. Ours just run into linemen and never even get there.
LOL Arc, you are just noticing this shit now? Or.. When they do get their the QB moves 2 feet to the left or right and our guys go right by. Even watching Luck get smashed by Blitzburgh was fun to see.
Of course I'm not just noticing it now. It's just why I don't blame the DC as much as most people do.
The Redskins aren't sending super exotic blitzes here, they're just going cover 0 and sending the house on a lot of these downs. The difference is that the guys they are sending actually have speed and get there fast enough to impact the play and not force the DB's to hold man coverage . When we send guys, they run into the mess of players at the line and don't get there and just take themselves out of the play.. or when they do miraculously break through, they get juked by the QB and whiff.
courtesy of Arizona and Washington. Now they need to man the fuck up and take care of Indy. Cowboys play AZ next week, Philly @ Houston. It's a deep whole but you can only take it one week at a time.
Dez asking for flag at the end. Was a great/clean play by the QB.
But you just gotta take it. This was a good weekend for us. The division could have been out of reach if these teams had both won. Instead we've still got at least a punchers chance.
to throw one at the end?? Washington DC did the total opposite of what Perry Fewell would have called?! I so bet Fewell would have called prevent soft zone defense on that last play.. That's how you play defense!
Dallas was overrated with a major weakness on defense Â
But you just gotta take it. This was a good weekend for us. The division could have been out of reach if these teams had both won. Instead we've still got at least a punchers chance.
That stupid cover 2 against Dallas. You have to blitz and play man. Redskins showed it today
We did blitz and play man. The blitzes never got there and the man coverage couldn't hold long enough and got exploited.
Look how fast the Redskin players were past the line and forcing Romo to take sacks or get rid of the ball. Our players take forever and when they do get through, they can't even get a hold of the QB.
We are lacking speed on the defensive side of the football. Especially at LB. Williams is the only guy with wheels.
The one player we have with elite speed in the back 7 is DRC and we're not going to blitz him.
I guess on paper, but anybody who has watched the Us knows we are not winning the division. It helps us on paper, it doesn't help us in reality.
Oh jesus STFU
The cowboys lost and it helps our position in the standings. Forget being a pessimist for a second and enjoy something that could help us if we get our shit together.
I don't get that shit.
Listen I love TC and wouldn't trade him for the Redskins coaching Â
staff in a million years. However that is how you gameplan on offense and defense to win a game like that against Dallas. No that chicken shit crap of a plan we threw out there last week. I just can't understand it because thats not us at all. Although that kid corner tonight was an absolute beast. That sure makes it easier on D.
But you just gotta take it. This was a good weekend for us. The division could have been out of reach if these teams had both won. Instead we've still got at least a punchers chance.
Doesn't if the Giants can't start winning.
So you guys would rather have seen Dallas win tonight?
Alrighty...
It was the preferable result for us. Period. End of conversation.
I guess on paper, but anybody who has watched the Us knows we are not winning the division. It helps us on paper, it doesn't help us in reality.
Really? Because that shitty banged up Redskins team, just beat the so called best team in football. And now they have to play a hot AZ team.
It's up for grabs
That stupid cover 2 against Dallas. You have to blitz and play man. Redskins showed it today
We did blitz and play man. The blitzes never got there and the man coverage couldn't hold long enough and got exploited.
Look how fast the Redskin players were past the line and forcing Romo to take sacks or get rid of the ball. Our players take forever and when they do get through, they can't even get a hold of the QB.
We are lacking speed on the defensive side of the football. Especially at LB. Williams is the only guy with wheels.
The one player we have with elite speed in the back 7 is DRC and we're not going to blitz him.
Forget it. These guys have their favorite memes and they are just going to keep repeating them no matter what.
I guess on paper, but anybody who has watched the Us knows we are not winning the division. It helps us on paper, it doesn't help us in reality.
uh, genius...even if the Gmen don't win the division, there is still something called the "Wild Card". The more the Eagles/Cowboys lose, the greater the possibility the Giants get one.
In one of the articles they said 6 times we blitzed against Dallas. I think Raanan wrote it.
They never get home and when they do, our guys miss. It's amazing to see a team actually get home when they blitz.
Yes, exactly.
If the blitzes aren't getting there, why is he going to keep sending them? All he's doing at that point is leaving DB's in man coverage and asking to give up a big play via a mismatch.
To me, this isn't about not wanting to blitz or being stubborn.. it's that we're literally creating a disadvantage for our defensive backfield by doing it.
Blitzing is great when you've got the speed to get there and impact the play. But if you don't you're just taking your own guys out of the play.
Except the Giants have played both the Eagles and Cowboys better on the road in recent years. I thought the way the schedule was set up actually worked to our advantage (potentially get the early division lead and put pressure on the other teams to beat us at home).
Colt fucking McCoy and the terrible Redskin defense just beat a team that smoked the Giants.
The soft, all-talk, loser bunch of pussies who call themselves the Giants had better make this count somehow and start winning football games, because they were shown up by a garbage team tonight.
In one of the articles they said 6 times we blitzed against Dallas. I think Raanan wrote it.
They never get home and when they do, our guys miss. It's amazing to see a team actually get home when they blitz.
We don't disguise our blitz very well. No stunts or moving players and fewell is a joke.
There was nothing overly complicated about what the Redskins did tonight. Gruden knew exactly when they were blitzing from the booth and you can bet Dallas did, too.
Blitzing doesn't have to be about confusing people. The point of a blitz is that you're rushing more men than the offense can block. That's it. It's a very simple concept.
You either get there or you don't. We aren't. The Redskins did tonight.
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what more can you ask for then the top half of your division to lose. Giants in a must-win situation in the next 4 games, gotta go 3-1 else the season is over.
I really hope they fixed some shit and some guys got healthy over the bye. Hopefully the extra day off helps too.
Except the Giants have played both the Eagles and Cowboys better on the road in recent years. I thought the way the schedule was set up actually worked to our advantage (potentially get the early division lead and put pressure on the other teams to beat us at home).
Disagree Eric. They were primed to get off to a good start following 0-6 last year. The schedule worked against them. No one - team, fans, media, etc - wanted to see another awful start.
The schedule is working against them. They go 7-2 the rest of the season and i'm fine with it. it's within reach but one game at a time. They have to hold serve at home against good teams - IND, SF, and DAL - and pummel the weak teams on the road - plus pull out two divisional wins at home.
It's not rocket science. It's there for the taking, imo.
is that Dallas-Washington are consistently close. While Washington doesn't like us or Philly, their major opponent is Dallas. There have been past seasons where Washington has sucked, yet beaten the Cowboys.
That said, only half a game ahead of the Redskins, who have a winnable game against the Vikings next. The next week is gonna be a pain in the neck.
Colt fucking McCoy and the terrible Redskin defense just beat a team that smoked the Giants.
The soft, all-talk, loser bunch of pussies who call themselves the Giants had better make this count somehow and start winning football games, because they were shown up by a garbage team tonight.
Except when the Giants played this terrible, garbage Redskins team, the Giants utterly annihilated them.
The NFL in 2014 is just week-to-week. You just can't get twisted into knots over it anymore. And it doesn't help that the Giants are without their top two slot receivers, top two nickel corners, their top running back, and now their starting Mike. And arguably our best CB is not near 100%.
Redskins defense seemed a lot faster than Giants D Â
Third and long is exactly where you want to drop your best pass rushers into coverage. If the 3 rushers Fewell sends don't get pressure that's not the scheme it's the lousy players that Reese drafts.
Football is a game of match ups. Did you see the redskins defense flying around bringing pressure? How often do we do that in our scheme
Eric: "The book" is out now on how to defend the Cowboys. If it continues to play out the same way over the next 3 weeks then Fewell better damn well ajust his scheme.
In one of the articles they said 6 times we blitzed against Dallas. I think Raanan wrote it.
They never get home and when they do, our guys miss. It's amazing to see a team actually get home when they blitz.
Yes, exactly.
If the blitzes aren't getting there, why is he going to keep sending them? All he's doing at that point is leaving DB's in man coverage and asking to give up a big play via a mismatch.
To me, this isn't about not wanting to blitz or being stubborn.. it's that we're literally creating a disadvantage for our defensive backfield by doing it.
Blitzing is great when you've got the speed to get there and impact the play. But if you don't you're just taking your own guys out of the play.
Or why not design them better? You know.. be creative or is that asking too much?
So in the mean time rely on the front 4, and fucking pray teams don't know how to sit in the zone and move the ball.
Let's see what happens when we run that shit against Luck. Did you see Blitzburgh knock around Luck?
That stupid cover 2 against Dallas. You have to blitz and play man. Redskins showed it today
We did blitz and play man. The blitzes never got there and the man coverage couldn't hold long enough and got exploited.
Look how fast the Redskin players were past the line and forcing Romo to take sacks or get rid of the ball. Our players take forever and when they do get through, they can't even get a hold of the QB.
We are lacking speed on the defensive side of the football. Especially at LB. Williams is the only guy with wheels.
The one player we have with elite speed in the back 7 is DRC and we're not going to blitz him.
Forget it. These guys have their favorite memes and they are just going to keep repeating them no matter what.
You are, of course, 100% correct.
Yeah because the Redskins were playing with elite speed out there. Old ass Ryan Clark and Merriweather who gets beat badly almost everyweek. Not to mention Breeland and his 4.6 40 time
I guess on paper, but anybody who has watched the Us knows we are not winning the division. It helps us on paper, it doesn't help us in reality.
uh, genius...even if the Gmen don't win the division, there is still something called the "Wild Card". The more the Eagles/Cowboys lose, the greater the possibility the Giants get one.
Uh genius, there are only two wild cards so unless you gave us beating SF and Seattle, we will lose out on a tiebreaker to them, we already lost to Detroit, there goes that tiebreaker when GB overtakes them. As I said, only way in unless we beat Seattle and SF is division and we are 1-2 against divison and 0-2 avainst teams above us. It helps on paper, but in reality we need to go 7-2 the rest of the way to have a legit shot. Not happening. Sorry if this is news to you.
-Jerrel Jernigan isn't a top two anything, other than maybe draft failure.
-Our starting Mike played like ass on the rare occasions he was on the field, and the Giants were the ones stupid enough to rely on a guy who is never healthy in the first place.
-if our offense falls to pieces when a journeyman RB misses a few games, we truly do sick.
You got that right.. Every time I watch another team I feel this way.. Arc, if the blitzes are not getting home, then someone is not doing their job right.. Plus like I said before that TD to Escobar against the Gaints is where Fewell needed to throw a blitz, he didn't and Romo had all the time in the world.
That stupid cover 2 against Dallas. You have to blitz and play man. Redskins showed it today
We did blitz and play man. The blitzes never got there and the man coverage couldn't hold long enough and got exploited.
Look how fast the Redskin players were past the line and forcing Romo to take sacks or get rid of the ball. Our players take forever and when they do get through, they can't even get a hold of the QB.
We are lacking speed on the defensive side of the football. Especially at LB. Williams is the only guy with wheels.
The one player we have with elite speed in the back 7 is DRC and we're not going to blitz him.
Forget it. These guys have their favorite memes and they are just going to keep repeating them no matter what.
You are, of course, 100% correct.
Yeah because the Redskins were playing with elite speed out there. Old ass Ryan Clark and Merriweather who gets beat badly almost everyweek. Not to mention Breeland and his 4.6 40 time
Did you watch the game tonight or no?
Those guys barely had to hold coverages tonight because all of the guys they were blitzing were pressuring the QB within 2 seconds.
Dallas couldn't run deep routes or deep enough drops to exploit those guys.
By the way, Breeland was fantastic tonight. I don't care what his 40 time is. That guy can play.
Colt fucking McCoy and the terrible Redskin defense just beat a team that smoked the Giants.
The soft, all-talk, loser bunch of pussies who call themselves the Giants had better make this count somehow and start winning football games, because they were shown up by a garbage team tonight.
Uh, the same garbage team we smoked not that long ago?
In one of the articles they said 6 times we blitzed against Dallas. I think Raanan wrote it.
They never get home and when they do, our guys miss. It's amazing to see a team actually get home when they blitz.
Yes, exactly.
If the blitzes aren't getting there, why is he going to keep sending them? All he's doing at that point is leaving DB's in man coverage and asking to give up a big play via a mismatch.
To me, this isn't about not wanting to blitz or being stubborn.. it's that we're literally creating a disadvantage for our defensive backfield by doing it.
Blitzing is great when you've got the speed to get there and impact the play. But if you don't you're just taking your own guys out of the play.
Or why not design them better? You know.. be creative or is that asking too much?
So in the mean time rely on the front 4, and fucking pray teams don't know how to sit in the zone and move the ball.
Let's see what happens when we run that shit against Luck. Did you see Blitzburgh knock around Luck?
I saw Luck throw for 400 yards and the Colts score 34 points.
Luck is a big dude. It doesn't matter how many times he got hit after a throw. He still made plays. He only got sacked twice.
PIT won the game because Indy's defense was even worse and Ben looked like he was playing Madden on rookie
Our CBs are vastly superior to the Redskins corners.
There is no legit reason why our defense played worse than the Skins tonight.
The Skins threw the kitchen sink at us and they couldn't stop us. 45 points.
Dallas stuffed our running game. 40 percent of our plays went for 2 yards or less.
And to compensate what the did they do? Blitz! Not sit back. Prince is good, and DRC is injury prone. It's not like we are loaded in the backfield.
So then what happens? We rush 4 and drop people back and rely on the front 4 to get home. When they don't teams easily pick apart out zone.
We got the ball out quick. Two different systems, hence football is a game of match ups. What the hell happened when we played the Eagles? They blitzed too.
We got fucked up because we ran passing concepts that different from all the previous games. And so against Dallas we reverted back to what we usually ran and perhaps became even more conservative with our game plan.
Football is a game of match ups. We didn't match up well against the Cowboys. They know this system and played damn well. They matched up and they won.
Our running game sucks now. We aren't run blocking well. That defense did a good job against us. This offense is still a work in progress. Add the fact we lack talent on offense and you get a work in progress that perhaps needs a year or two to get better.
League changes week to week. Somehow the Cowboys and Eagles falling to 6-2 is a slap in the face to the Giants? Were you expecting both teams to go 14-2 this season? Cowboys have done shit like this for 10 years. Tease their fans with delusions of grandeur, then watch Colt McCoy shove a Monday Nighter up their ass.
Great defensive game plan by Washington. Their game plan was to attack, attack, and attack at all cost. I'm sure they where tired of hearing how great that Cowboys offensive line was?! Way to fight till the end.. Hats off..
but there was an uncanny reliance and stubborness on trying to establish the run to open up the passing game.
Read anything about Bill Walsh and his WCO and he deemed the opposite to be true.
Philosophically, you can't have a traditional coach like TC either undermining, overriding, intimidating or influencing the OC to the point where the basic tenets of the offensive gameplan are compromised.
The Dallas game two weeks ago was an example of a difference in styles and philosophies on the offensive end more than a lack of execution.
In today's offensive-minded and shaded game there is no reason why the pass cannot open up the run. Particularly when you're relying on a rookie and an offensive line that was humiliated the week before.
I don't buy that Dallas and Philly are that much better. What i buy is that our coaching staff is stubborn and somewhat simplistic in their gameplanning. Neither of those traits can be in consideration during the present state of the NFL.
-Jerrel Jernigan isn't a top two anything, other than maybe draft failure.
-Our starting Mike played like ass on the rare occasions he was on the field, and the Giants were the ones stupid enough to rely on a guy who is never healthy in the first place.
-if our offense falls to pieces when a journeyman RB misses a few games, we truly do sick.
The Texans thought the journeyman RB was pretty good. And when Cruz is out, too, that has an effect.
Look, I happen to think the Giants will be 3-6 after 9. But that doesn't mean they will be. In fact, since 3-6 seems reasonable, it probably won't happen. Tonight's outcome helped them in the division race. I'll take it right now. The 7-7 Giants in 2011 looked like they were going nowhere fast, too.
Not sure how we don't match-up well against a Cowboys team that can't rush the passer, and had been giving up over 5 yards per carry. Dallas secondary?
On defensive side of the ball, we should be able to rush the passer better than the Skins, who lost their best pass rusher, Orakpo.
Yes, it's a game of match-ups but it is also a game of personnel.
Pretty sad when the Skins show up but we don't - especially since this is a team the Giants smoked.
The Giants-Cowboys game had playoff-type importance to the Giants.
You still need to get pressure on him. Those hits accumulate throughout the game. The fact Luck still got his numbers is a credit to him as a player. Doesn't mean you stop blitzing or get frustrated because he keeps making plays. The guy is a sick player. So you keep hitting him, and hope your D can make plays in key situations, like the pick 6.
Didn't they get a safety? I was switching around channels. Then you try to take adv. offensively which the Steelers did. If it was us we'd have a boner for balance and try running a lot more.
I don't see how a work in progress offense like ours can go toe to toe with Luck especially when we lack big plays, in terms of home run balls. We don't match up well against them
torching us and then getting shut down one 1 on 1 coverage by a rookie CB. Bad game? Over-confident? That was a big differene in Dallas beating the Giants and losing to the Skins.
Not sure how we don't match-up well against a Cowboys team that can't rush the passer, and had been giving up over 5 yards per carry. Dallas secondary?
"On defensive side of the ball, we should be able to rush the passer better than the Skins, who lost their best pass rusher, Orakpo.
Yes, it's a game of match-ups but it is also a game of personnel.
Pretty sad when the Skins show up but we don't - especially since this is a team the Giants smoked.
The Giants-Cowboys game had playoff-type importance to the Giants"
Exactly.. I don't think it could have been said better period.
You still need to get pressure on him. Those hits accumulate throughout the game. The fact Luck still got his numbers is a credit to him as a player. Doesn't mean you stop blitzing or get frustrated because he keeps making plays. The guy is a sick player. So you keep hitting him, and hope your D can make plays in key situations, like the pick 6.
Didn't they get a safety? I was switching around channels. Then you try to take adv. offensively which the Steelers did. If it was us we'd have a boner for balance and try running a lot more.
I don't see how a work in progress offense like ours can go toe to toe with Luck especially when we lack big plays, in terms of home run balls. We don't match up well against them
They got a safety but it was because Luck got called for intentional grounding in the endzone.
I mean, the Steelers gave up 448 yards of offense in that game. People wouldn't care if we gave up 34 points and 448 yards as long as we just kept blitzing on every down?
That game looked like a scrimmage. There was over 1,000 yards of total offense allowed by those two teams combined.
I just don't see good blitzers on this defense and I think that matters. I don't think each guy is equally suited to blitz. To me, it's not just if you send a guy he should get there. Some guys are much better at it than others... especially faster players. We really don't have much speed at all at the LB position which makes it a lot harder. Demps is relatively fast so Fewell tried to send him and he completely whiffed on Romo when he got through.
I don't see the sense in continuing to blitz if you've got a slow front that don't get there. It just opens up more downfield.
how the fuck was that not a hold in the endzone at the end Â
of regulation? The Skins rusher gets hooked and turned around in the endzone...it can't get any more blatant. Should've been a safety. Then the Skins miss on an INT right through the guy's hands in regulation and then another INT on the last play of OT.
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the Skins did their film and recognized Romo's signature move of spinning oppo play side to avoid the sack.
Meanwhile, the Giants blitz and run like Frank the Tank's Nude Run in Old School without bothering to breakdown their feet, settle their pads and play the tendency. He spins out and makes a play against Fewell's clownshow.
Not sure how we don't match-up well against a Cowboys team that can't rush the passer, and had been giving up over 5 yards per carry. Dallas secondary?
On defensive side of the ball, we should be able to rush the passer better than the Skins, who lost their best pass rusher, Orakpo.
Yes, it's a game of match-ups but it is also a game of personnel.
Pretty sad when the Skins show up but we don't - especially since this is a team the Giants smoked.
The Giants-Cowboys game had playoff-type importance to the Giants.
Is there something wrong with the quoting feature? It looks different then before..
No, but they stopped the run which was big. They did try blitzing. But we got the ball out quickly and went back to the passing concepts we used in previous games. So even if they did rush the passer well, I expected changes from the Eagles game.
Our OL still isn't good and you saw stupid penalties that put us in god awful down and distances. It's funny, I saw their defense barely knew anyone on it. I was hoping we could run it for once. However, match ups. They did a hell of a job matching up their front vs our OL. They stopped us.
You have seen the Perry Fewell defense. Like the Gilbride offense it's boom or bust. When it's on we get all sorts of pass rush that translates into sacks, and pressures that result in turnovers, which by the way is a key aspect of Perry Fewells defense.
However, when we go Bust, this defensive line doesn't get pressure. And so we do things like rush 3, in hopes of having more players to fill the various passing zones, theory being our defenders can make plays because more of them are in their zone then players running routes. However, that usually doesn't work.
QBs have ran for the first down, or scrambled and utilized scramble rules initiated by the WRs to make plays. That's what Pittsburgh did yesterday. I agree it's about personnel as well and both sides are weak. This team is not that good Eric.
So in the meantime what do we do? Can we out scheme teams? Can we add tendency breakers we haven't shown yet now after the BYE week?
I want to see how teams play us on both sides of the ball specifically on defense against our offense now that more tape is available. Can we add blitzes or design them different so they can get home? The Redskins may have shitty talent but some of their blitzes were damn good.
When we get home our fucking players miss the QB. How many games before we fix that?
Uh genius, there are only two wild cards so unless you gave us beating SF and Seattle, we will lose out on a tiebreaker to them, we already lost to Detroit, there goes that tiebreaker when GB overtakes them. As I said, only way in unless we beat Seattle and SF is division and we are 1-2 against divison and 0-2 avainst teams above us. It helps on paper, but in reality we need to go 7-2 the rest of the way to have a legit shot. Not happening. Sorry if this is news to you.
How is this difficult to understand? It's week 8. Lots of football left to play. Every loss by a divisional opponent helps the Giants.
Also, Seattle and SF do not look unbeatable in the slightest this season. Have you watched any of their games?
after next Monday...at least the Cowpukes and Eagirls lost.
WTF? Really?
Yes. If we continue to do what we did the last 2 weeks. Play absolutely shitless scared football. I can live with our offense playing conservative, but our defense being agressive. I can live with our offense throwing bombs like they just don't give a fuck, with our defense playing bend AND break. What I can't stand is scared fucking football on both sides of the ball.
the Skins did their film and recognized Romo's signature move of spinning oppo play side to avoid the sack.
Meanwhile, the Giants blitz and run like Frank the Tank's Nude Run in Old School without bothering to breakdown their feet, settle their pads and play the tendency. He spins out and makes a play against Fewell's clownshow.
It's child's play really.
That is on the players.
On the Giants 1st and 10 show on MSG, Banks in the "Strategy" segment pointed this out with the film on the Romo spin move when the blitzer is coming and how to allow the pressure to work for you rather than him spinning away and buying time to complete the pass.
Instead, on 2 or 3 occasions, the Giants defender takes the bad angle, Romo spins away and either scrambles or make a play for a first down.
Banks on the broadcast couldn't believe the Giants were screwing this up in Dallas that day.
I hope the Giants pulled a Rocky during the bye week Â
They got a safety but it was because Luck got called for intentional grounding in the endzone.
I mean, the Steelers gave up 448 yards of offense in that game. People wouldn't care if we gave up 34 points and 448 yards as long as we just kept blitzing on every down?
That game looked like a scrimmage. There was over 1,000 yards of total offense allowed by those two teams combined.
I just don't see good blitzers on this defense and I think that matters. I don't think each guy is equally suited to blitz. To me, it's not just if you send a guy he should get there. Some guys are much better at it than others... especially faster players. We really don't have much speed at all at the LB position which makes it a lot harder. Demps is relatively fast so Fewell tried to send him and he completely whiffed on Romo when he got through.
I don't see the sense in continuing to blitz if you've got a slow front that don't get there. It just opens up more downfield.
He was probably blitzed, correct? Well that's on Fewell and assistant coaches. If you're running game sucks, do you stop running the damn ball? You can't blitz so then what. Pray and hope game after game your DL gets there? That's a brutal way to play.
Bring a safety. Bring a CB. This is why I missed the aggressive nature of Spags scheme. Not saying I want him, specifically as a DC back, but the scheme was great. He supplemented our DL talent. He attacked A gap with blitzes by AP or Mitchell. He brought Ross from the slot and/or Wilson or Michael Johnson from the safety spot.
So the DL pressure made you step up. However A gap pressure was there to get the sack. At times you have 1 LB and Ross/Wilson coming in. So you can't step up because of A gap pressure and get move around because of alley pressure from a CB or Safety.
It was fun to watch. He supplemented DL talent with good blitzes. Now if we are not good at it. Practice it. We suck at running the ball, are we going to stop? You have to bring pressure to keep the offense honest. Otherwise it's fucking easy. You just have your OL protect and if they can't do it, you see QBs run for it, or move around and get more time for the WRs to separate against our secondary players.
You have to do something. Even if it's as a tendency breaker to make opposing offenses say, well that's fucking new. Normally they never do that but they did this time. That's what Eli said the Eagles did. They broke tendencies and did stuff the offense didn't see. How did that work out?
but you're dreaming...we have the same defensive gameplan no matter who we play...scrambling QB or big arm QB. Rush 4, have a few LBs standing around defending nobody and have our DBs 10 yards off.
5 Sacks against the Cowboys almighty offenisve line Â
tonight by the Redskins?! 2 of them where were by a DB? Most sacks allowed in a game by this Cowboys Oline?! Those where designed schemes and a well executed game plan..
the Skins did their film and recognized Romo's signature move of spinning oppo play side to avoid the sack.
Meanwhile, the Giants blitz and run like Frank the Tank's Nude Run in Old School without bothering to breakdown their feet, settle their pads and play the tendency. He spins out and makes a play against Fewell's clownshow.
It's child's play really.
That is on the players.
On the Giants 1st and 10 show on MSG, Banks in the "Strategy" segment pointed this out with the film on the Romo spin move when the blitzer is coming and how to allow the pressure to work for you rather than him spinning away and buying time to complete the pass.
Instead, on 2 or 3 occasions, the Giants defender takes the bad angle, Romo spins away and either scrambles or make a play for a first down.
Banks on the broadcast couldn't believe the Giants were screwing this up in Dallas that day.
There is nothing "exotic" about Cover 0.. you show blitz and you either send em or you bluff. Dallas knew they were coming and they simply didn't have enough blockers to compensate.
Which CB's would you even blitz with right now? DRC will probably get leveled. Do you want to take Prince out of coverage? I'm definitely not blitzing Zack Bowman.
Fewell tried to use Demps. Demps whiffed.
I think Rolle is a good blitzer but again.. it's risky. When you have 1 good safety, I don't know how eager you're going to be to send him into the backfield on a pass play.
Spags also had the luxury of a legitimate MIKE. Antonio Pierce was an extremely cerebral player. He was his own DC.
Fewell had one for about 8 games in 4+ years. Goff, Greg Jones... Blackburn.. Herzlich... those were the guys Fewell had to use in the middle most of the time he's been here.
It comes down to two different theories on defense. If you're secondary sucks, then you may go with let's bring heat and add things we haven't shown in hopes we can cut down on the time in the pocket and see if we can get turnovers that way. Also, let's limit the time the secondary has to cover by bringing pressure.
Another way of thinking and I think this is Fewell's defensive philosophy, is our secondary is what it is. He doesn't want to give up the home run ball. So we focus on keeping the plays in front of us. We rely on the front 4 to get home, and have good coverage throughout the various passing zones. So the theory is, the QB can't find anyone open and by that time the front 4 gets home. If the QB rushes, our Cbs are playing zone or off man coverage so they can make a play on the ball.
I get that philosophy too. My personal preference is to bring pressure. Both ways can have weaknesses. However, if my defense is simply not talented I'd try to mix it up, and add tendency breakers, but if I am going to lose, I'd bring pressure and burned that way, then sitting back and watching an offense pick apart a zone.
So it depends on what people like. I just dislike the philosophy of this scheme just like I disliked the passing scheme of our previous offensive system. I am damn happy we finally changed schemes.
Absolutely agree... Fewell's defense doesn't dictate anything. I agree with Reese's comments where he says we need to be more aggressive on both sides of the ball.
Spags defense was fun to watch and very aggressive and able to provide pressure in a number of ways, stunts, corner/safety blitzes, LB A gap blitzes, etc. It was creative and if well-timed very effective.
You have to bring the pressure against a team like the Cowboys Â
who have an extremely talented Oline, you have no other options in imo.. Even if your lacking the talent at LB position, if the front four cannot get to the QB you have to scheme to create more pressure from other options, like from LB's, Safeties, or DB's. You cannot afford to give Romo time to pick you apart at all cost. Even if you play safe like Fewell does you will get burned. Your only option is to design a scheme to create enough pressure to get to Romo, and we all know how bad Romo is when being pressured. The Washington Redskins knew that, they knew they didn't have the secondary so they game planned for it. Hats off.
There is nothing "exotic" about Cover 0.. you show blitz and you either send em or you bluff. Dallas knew they were coming and they simply didn't have enough blockers to compensate.
Which CB's would you even blitz with right now? DRC will probably get leveled. Do you want to take Prince out of coverage? I'm definitely not blitzing Zack Bowman.
Fewell tried to use Demps. Demps whiffed.
I think Rolle is a good blitzer but again.. it's risky. When you have 1 good safety, I don't know how eager you're going to be to send him into the backfield on a pass play.
Spags also had the luxury of a legitimate MIKE. Antonio Pierce was an extremely cerebral player. He was his own DC.
Fewell had one for about 8 games in 4+ years. Goff, Greg Jones... Blackburn.. Herzlich... those were the guys Fewell had to use in the middle most of the time he's been here.
Did they knew they were coming? When you come through untouched you usually beat the protection. Spags used to talk about that if I remember correctly. Did the skins do anything different or show something that wasn't seen in previous weeks? I don't know I been busy this season so stick to Giants games and some games here and there.
Depends on the formation. Who do we have out there? Demps whiffed but how about Rolle? If we got home with Michael Johnson, we should be able to coach up someone like Demps. Do we send Rolle often? If not, there you go that's something unexpected offenses can't prepare for because we hardly ever do.
It's risky but if we are going to go down swinging I'd rather mix it up be aggressive side of the spectrum. But that's my preference. On offense, I like this conservative nature of it, and high percentage passing concepts. It all depends. I have ZERO faith in our defense. So my expectations is that if they have a good game, it's a pleasant surprise.
True, we had AP, but the point is he and a game plan when it came to blitzing. What's ours in this system? Just because you are not good at blitzing you stop blitzing.. in a fucking passing league, where the CBs can't do shit without getting flagged? Yeah, good luck with that in this scheme and then factor personnel not being good across the board.
Then you say what? You hope the offense scores on Mon. night. They are a work in progress as well. That's why I have zero expectations this Monday night. If Eli has another good game, I am happy.
He also had guys like Rivers, and JW who have some speed. Send them. You get beat fine. Better than watching the zone get curved up or watching home run balls anyways.
Talent is low on both sides of the ball. At least our scheme on offense is trying to compensate for it. It's the best they can do with the talent they have on offense. You have to figure out something and so right now it's quick passes, high percentage stuff and boner for balance. So even if it's 3rd and 298192381 we will run a draw. Or even if the running game sucks, we are still going to run it.
We are making due with the talent right now.
Absolutely agree... Fewell's defense doesn't dictate anything. I agree with Reese's comments where he says we need to be more aggressive on both sides of the ball.
Spags defense was fun to watch and very aggressive and able to provide pressure in a number of ways, stunts, corner/safety blitzes, LB A gap blitzes, etc. It was creative and if well-timed very effective.
Yeah, it was fun to watch. Now Arc and Eric are correct when they bring up personnel. They are correct, but you play with the cards dealt. In this care it comes down to what the philosophy of the system is.
Is it conversative, keep everything in front of you, don't give up the deep ball? If so, then you will see more guys in coverage, off man and zone coverage, with just 4 or sometimes 3 guys rushing. I get that theory, hoping your guys cover so well, the pass rush gets home OR causes the QB to make a bad throw resulting in a turnover, which PF's defense is known for. That's fine if people like that kind of defense.
Just like the Gilbride offense, this defense philosophy is not something I like. The only DC I was happy without seeing the guy just based on defensive philosophy was Spags. I liked Jim Johnson as a DC. So that philosophy appealed to me. I disliked Tim Lewis, and Sheridan. Not a fan of Fewell either.
but you're dreaming...we have the same defensive gameplan no matter who we play...scrambling QB or big arm QB. Rush 4, have a few LBs standing around defending nobody and have our DBs 10 yards off.
it feels that way doesnt it? hmmm.
Its a pleasure to read Anish's insight on this board daily.
the redksins played a lot of cover 0. it got to the point where he didnt know where the pressure was gonna come from and that usually you make teams pay for that.
unfortunately he usually got hit before he could make em pay.
the whole line just got overloaded from defending against at least 6 defenders on EVERY play.
but it's sad that he can scheme so much better than our guy with -- at best -- the same talent (and probably worse).
Can we move on from Fewell, please?
It is sad. I can't believe Romo and that offense couldn't counter being shown Cover 0 constantly. You would think witten Escobar, Murray, and Bryant might cut off their routes or be able to outmuscle a DB as romo fires off a pass immediately. Maybe romo would realize he has less blockers than rushers, or they would have played some max protect.
Jim haslett's defense has given up huge point totals playing this type of defense. Teams in the past have had a very easy time exploiting his scheme. The Redskins played their defense last night and it worked. In recent years and games this defense has been blown apart.
I don't know if it was just inspired play and the redskins playing fast or romo and the offense not being able to adjust or gameplan for been attacked all game. The Cowboys offense looked a lot like how the Giants offense did against the Eagles. Only difference is they can actually run the ball.
here in people saying the Redskins defense is "fast" and we need more players like Brandon Merriweather and Perry Riley. Holy good god, the Redskins defense is absolutely fuckign atrocious. Kerrigan/Hatcher may be their only two worthwhile players that they have. Their defense sucks.
Why did they have success last night? Haslett designed blitzes that Perry could only dream of coming up with. And this is what pisses me off about the defense of Fewell....
Washington was rushing 7-8 guys and daring Romo to make a mistake. When we blitzed, we would send one random blitzer (sending a total of 5 defenders) into an offense that has 6-7 guys blocking. People could still double team when we blitz where last night there were free rushers, guys gettign 1 on 1 matchups. Dont give me this that the Redskins were "fast" or that their corners played "excellent". People are saying that what they were doing was so bovious and easy to pick up... Um, no they werent easy pickup because Romo looked CLUELESS against their blitzs. He had no clue where guys were coming from. Our blitzes are so obvious that the waterboy can spot them before the snap.
Last night was an instance where Fewell's lack of blitz designed came to fruition. Haslett is no HOF DC, but last night he designed a game plan for his suck ass defense that was successful. And he did it with absolute shit players.
Fewell is out of excuses. The last two weeks, his defense was absolutely destroyed by division rivals.
the funny thing is that this is what Haslett does all the time Â
And it usually torches him. For some reason, it worked this time, but thinking that this was some ace gameplanning from him is a joke. It's pretty much his base defense.
Riley is a good player. If you don't notice that, you're not paying attention.
Also, as mentioned before, Dallas made NO adjustment to this whatsoever which is why it kept working. Callahan did a miserable job last night. You've got to move to max protect when your QB is walking like he just got hit by a freight train and has a bad back but he continued to send 3 and 4 guys on routes to leave the line overmatched.
It's a numbers game. Haslett did nothing "exotic" and he didn't "design" anything fancy. It's Cover 0. You're bringing the house. This is not something the guy drew up in a lab and people can't figure out.
All I said about the Redskins personnel was that they showed the speed to get there. They have guys who can run. Doesn't mean they're all elite players but I think the Giants defense is certainly lacking in speed (mostly at the LB position)
Why did they have success last night? Haslett designed blitzes that Perry could only dream of coming up with. And this is what pisses me off about the defense of Fewell....
Washington was rushing 7-8 guys and daring Romo to make a mistake. When we blitzed, we would send one random blitzer (sending a total of 5 defenders) into an offense that has 6-7 guys blocking. People could still double team when we blitz where last night there were free rushers, guys gettign 1 on 1 matchups. Dont give me this that the Redskins were "fast" or that their corners played "excellent". People are saying that what they were doing was so bovious and easy to pick up... Um, no they werent easy pickup because Romo looked CLUELESS against their blitzs. He had no clue where guys were coming from. Our blitzes are so obvious that the waterboy can spot them before the snap.
The Redskins weren't disgusing the blitzes they showed blitz constantly and blitzed most times. The Cowboys didn't adjust at all that I could see. They almost constantly had a free man running at romo unimpeded. I don't agree that haslett came up with some super cowboy stopping disguised blitz gameplan. I think game tape of his defenses would show this type of scheme and plays in the past. It would also show offenses scoring all over it.
Riley is a good player. If you don't notice that, you're not paying attention.
Also, as mentioned before, Dallas made NO adjustment to this whatsoever which is why it kept working. Callahan did a miserable job last night. You've got to move to max protect when your QB is walking like he just got hit by a freight train and has a bad back but he continued to send 3 and 4 guys on routes to leave the line overmatched.
It's a numbers game. Haslett did nothing "exotic" and he didn't "design" anything fancy. It's Cover 0. You're bringing the house. This is not something the guy drew up in a lab and people can't figure out.
All I said about the Redskins personnel was that they showed the speed to get there. They have guys who can run. Doesn't mean they're all elite players but I think the Giants defense is certainly lacking in speed (mostly at the LB position)
I have seen Riley play a lot. He's fair. And the only reason why they looked fast was because they were successful in what they did. If Romo throws the ball earlier or even recognized a blitz.... we would be saying, "well their blitzes didnt work because they were too slow and couldnt get to the QB."
Believe it or not..... I am not going to give all the credit to Haslett and their defense. They were gashed on the ground, gave up some big plays to backs/tight ends. Actually, I think Romo was GOD AWFUL even before his injury. He realistically could have had 3-4 INTs, almost lost a fumble. He couldnt read the blitz to save his life (credit Haslett for designing some creative blitzes even if they were jailbreak ones.) I thought Romo cost his team last night and thought it was pure idiocy putting him back in the game.
Why did they have success last night? Haslett designed blitzes that Perry could only dream of coming up with. And this is what pisses me off about the defense of Fewell....
Washington was rushing 7-8 guys and daring Romo to make a mistake. When we blitzed, we would send one random blitzer (sending a total of 5 defenders) into an offense that has 6-7 guys blocking. People could still double team when we blitz where last night there were free rushers, guys gettign 1 on 1 matchups. Dont give me this that the Redskins were "fast" or that their corners played "excellent". People are saying that what they were doing was so bovious and easy to pick up... Um, no they werent easy pickup because Romo looked CLUELESS against their blitzs. He had no clue where guys were coming from. Our blitzes are so obvious that the waterboy can spot them before the snap.
The Redskins weren't disgusing the blitzes they showed blitz constantly and blitzed most times. The Cowboys didn't adjust at all that I could see. They almost constantly had a free man running at romo unimpeded. I don't agree that haslett came up with some super cowboy stopping disguised blitz gameplan. I think game tape of his defenses would show this type of scheme and plays in the past. It would also show offenses scoring all over it.
BS. He didnt bring the house every play. He came with some 5-6 blitzes (a couple with Merriweather where he was the only blitzer). And did anyone recognize the 3rd and 3 play in OT. He showed an all out blitz, Romo audibled, and they all back up - ruining the play. Haslett was pretty good last night (and as I said, it helped that Romo was god awful). But to say he didnt design any blitzes is just some lazy analysis.
But I saw Riley make more plays from the LB position last night than I've seen most of ours make all year. He has good sideline to sideline speed and last night wasn't the first time I've seen him play well.
Again.. not calling the guy an elite JLB but he led that team in tackles last year and is better than you're giving him credit for. He took a pretty big step forward and has become pretty solid in pass coverage. They use him in a bunch of different ways.
I have no idea why he didn't go into max protect and rely on his receivers to win battles against the lousy Skins secondary.
Ego perhaps. That the offense has been successful to this date, all we need is a little time to make a play and we can win this. So stick with what we are doing. Eventually we can get one on this defense.
Credit the DC for coming up with excellent blitzes.
You are seeing what you want to see. If you think he designed blitzes just for this game that he had never used before and the Cowboys could not have ever seen I don't know what to tell you.
Everyone and their mother saw all the Cover 0 they played last night. They either sent them or bluffed them. As the game wore on, they mostly sent them.
What Haslett did was really not rocket science.
Send more than they can block and someone's going to get a free run at the QB. He knew his secondary wouldn't be able to hold coverages long so he just kept dialing up pressure and Dallas never adjusted.
You are seeing what you want to see. If you think he designed blitzes just for this game that he had never used before and the Cowboys could not have ever seen I don't know what to tell you.
Where did I say that? I saw all out blitzes, I saw 5-6 man pass rush, I saw them fake blitz and confuse the hell out of Romo. Romo himself said he didnt even know where the blitzes were coming from.
Seems to me that is saying that he desgined some pretty good blitzes to me.
Everyone and their mother saw all the Cover 0 they played last night. They either sent them or bluffed them. As the game wore on, they mostly sent them.
What Haslett did was really not rocket science.
Send more than they can block and someone's going to get a free run at the QB. He knew his secondary wouldn't be able to hold coverages long so he just kept dialing up pressure and Dallas never adjusted.
He did not bring the house every play last night. Not even close. He had a lot of successful blitzes just sending 5-6 rushers that were desgined really well.
Here is a 5 man rush where blitzed a LB and safety. Worked to perfection. Offense obviously did not pick up on it whatsoever. This is an example of a very good bltiz design, and not just bringing the house. 5 man rush - ( New Window )
said that when we played against the Eagles on the WFAN. That their defense showed things they have't shown. That's what game planning is. That's the fun part of coaching I enjoyed.
Spags talked about this or there were articles on this when we beat the pats in the SB. That we beat their pass protection. We go over 3,5, and 7 step pass protections and design blitzes that beat it. With our DL and ability to blitz efficiently we fucked Brady up.
These blitzes were damn good. When guys come in untouched it means you came up with a blitz that wasn't accounted for. You beat the protection. We had 1 fucking blitz against Dallas that did that. Demps came in and did that.
In fact we have blitzed on occasion where we beat the protection, however our guys get juked easily by opposing QBs.
Haslett came up with a good game plan and it worked well. Tip your hat to him. Now opposing teams can review this and say. wow, we have much better personnel, so let's use some of these concepts and tailor it to our personnel.
I said he blitzed everyone on every play last night? Â
You said they played cover 0 (which the ydid for a lot of the night, but not every play or even close to it.)
You said what Haslett did last night wasnt rocket science.... but you are undercrediting what he did. The video I showed obviously would have been a game changing play if Kerrigan recovers the fumble and it was a great desgined blitz. Rewatch the 3rd and 3 play in OT. He fooled the hell out of Romo who thought it was an all out blitz only for them to back out into something else.
Haslett is no great DC, I agree. But to say he did basically one thing and wasnt rocket science last night is just wrong.
This is the same Redskin defense that we annihilated. Â
Again, it's not rocket science, you're just sending one more than they can account for on that side.
I am sure every DC in this league is familiar with these concepts.
I'd love to see us do that more if I had any faith that our players would actually get to the QB before he identified the rush and hit his hot read
Yeah but some have preferences while others don't. Sure you but how? What formation? Do they show that formation during the game? How about if the defense already utilized that blitz in prior games and thus the offense prepares for it?
I am not sure the dynamic among defensive coaches in the game or booth since i was busy doing my stuff. However, also in game adjustments. You ask the defense, are they showing you what we went over in tape? Yes or No?
If no, then let's draw it up on the board. Let's adjust on the fly based on what you guys are saying and the coaches upstairs are saying.
They got there last night and did a good job, so Haslett looks good. Most other games, when they get burned on these and give up like 35 points.. he doesn't.
He's mostly doing this out of necessity. His DB's aren't very good in coverage for the most part.
Our defensive talent is in different spots than theirs and we run different alignments so it's not as easy as just saying "well, we can do that too" 3-4 blitzes are going to look different than 4-3 blitzes.
rocket science - why did Romo admit he was confused as hell last night? Its ok to give Haslett a little credit for a game plan.
And to say we dont have the talent to do what the Redskins last night is absurd.
Watching the game last night I personally have no idea what Romo or the offensive linemen thought they were seeing. Romo was constantly audibling and changing things at the line and the Redskins were continuing to get to him before he could find any receivers.
From the TV and the announcers booth everyone could see the Redskins showing pressure on many many plays. They didn't always bring it, but they showed pressure a lot.
Romo was definitely confused and his OC didn't do anything to help him (like keep blockers in or have his backs and TEs chip/check and release every single play). At some point a competent OC would start going to quick-hitting short passes, a lot of runs, screens, and max protect. I can't understand why they played the way they did. IMO Bryant, Witten and Murray could easily beat whoever the Redskins assigned to cover them on a majority of plays if Romo was given some time.
If the Cowboys were bound and determined to play that way, Romo should have just chucked 50/50 passes to Dez every time he was under pressure. The Cowobys game plan sucked.
The Redskins game plan on defense was a Jim Haslett defense and should not have been surprising. That's not to say the blitzes weren't well designed or well executed, just that the Cowboys should not have been surprised by what they saw. This is what Haslett and the Redskins do and usually it doesn't work.
losing at home, to a third string QB when you could have went up 1.5 games in the division.
For the life of me, I can't figure out what Romo was seeing last night.
You get caught on a few early blitzs, ok.
But after that, why weren't they just running go routes with Bryant or their other WRs everytime WASH was selling out with the blitz?? Really weird.......they simply could not adjust which is bizarre considering the talent, and experience, Dallas has.
Marinelli made little to no adjustments against us once we started moving the ball, either. Had we put the ball in Eli's hands a little earlier, that game may have gone differently. I wonder how well coached that team really is.
Bottom line is Haslett had that defense running on all cylinders.. Â
He got that defense to play better then expected and that is the key. That's what a DC does, and right now that is something the Giants are missing with Fewell..
So Haslett gets a good game out of his defense and all else is forgiven? Where was this "running on all cylinders" when we carved them a new asshole? Or when the Eagles dropped 37 on them?
Good to know. As long as we get one good game out of our defense soon, we can just call it even and give Fewell all the credit.
It's not just about one game or Haslett, it's overall. Fewell is not getting it done and hasn't been. You can continue to defend him, but that's just my opinion..
I'm curious as to what people believe the actual talent level of this defense is right now and where they should be relative to that.
I personally think this collection of talent with injuries factored in are just about average. I don't see many DC's turning this into a top 5 or even top 10 unit. I just don't see how. I think any way you slice it, this defense right now is going to be about average at best.
I'm with arc, but I frame it a little differently Â
I do think another DC could make this unit better. Do I think there are 10 of them in the NFL already? Nope. Do I think we'd be guaranteed an upgrade with whomever we hire next? Nope.
Fewell is average. So's Haslett, for that matter, and Marinelli. His unit might boast better numbers, but he's about to see better offenses and he just had 20 hung on him by the Redskins led by McCoy. If not for the fact that his offense does a spectacular job of keeping his defense off the field, we'd see their already pedestrian stats turn downhill fast.
I'm curious as to what people believe the actual talent level of this defense is right now and where they should be relative to that.
I personally think this collection of talent with injuries factored in are just about average. I don't see many DC's turning this into a top 5 or even top 10 unit. I just don't see how. I think any way you slice it, this defense right now is going to be about average at best.
I think we are above average but not by munch. I also think our personnel is being utilized incorrectly. If we don't get a pass rush we are decidedly below average (like any other team) so, most importantly, Ayers and Moore need to take over LDE for Kiwi. I think a lot of good things can start from there and trickle to the back 7.
I get what your saying and you have a point, and once again this is just my opinion, but I really feel you even if the Giants went and got all the talent in the world, this defense would still be average at best under Fewell..
So Haslett gets a good game out of his defense and all else is forgiven? Where was this "running on all cylinders" when we carved them a new asshole? Or when the Eagles dropped 37 on them?
Good to know. As long as we get one good game out of our defense soon, we can just call it even and give Fewell all the credit.
I remember when Haslett was a genius allowing Cruz to complete a sideline 30 yard catch when only :07 were left and the Giants only option was to go to the sideline and get out of bounds before the half.
and I say this without judgment because I've been there...
But I think you're a little dug in on Fewell at this point. I don't see how you can actually think that over the last couple of years he hasn't made a tremendous amount of errors. I never thought he was the right man for the job and I still don't.
I get what your saying and you have a point, and once again this is just my opinion, but I really feel you even if the Giants went and got all the talent in the world, this defense would still be average at best under Fewell..
I don't at all. His defense got healthy in 2011-12 and at that point we actually DID have the talent to be good and we shut down some of the best offenses in the league and won a Super Bowl. I also thought we had pretty solid personnel in 2010 and the results were good.
If Fewell were a defensive mastermind, he'd probably have a head coaching gig. But the man isn't incompetent. He's gotten good results when he's had good personnel. It wasn't a coincidence that the defense looked improved the second Beason and Hill took the places of inferior players. Yes, backup QB's.. I get it. But the defense played well regardless considering how ghastly the offense was and how many awful situations they put them in.
What I've seen is a reasoned and rather patient poster, willing to take the time in NON-KNEEJERK fashion to simply explain that Fewell is a decent DC who has moments of very good work and moments of not so good work. Since we don't know the calls, whys and the wherefores, we have no idea where the fault lies on any given play..
It's about health and talent, something that some are too stupid to comprehend..Amazing how how LeBeau has become somewhat pedestrian when not surrounded by yearly playmakers he has enjoyed for many,mmany years..Sort of the luxury Spags enjoyed in 2007, once they got in sync..
Arca, those who are reasonably aware of what it takes to run a unit know where you have ALWAYS been coming from
I also wonder if this is the game where Demarco Murray goes down with his annual multi game injury. Not that I'm rooting for him to get hurt but there's been all talk about the "new Triplets in Dallas" . I'm no fucking Cowboy fan, but Emmitt Smith was an time great in every way and tough as a 2 dollar steak. Murrays having a nice season but I just dont think he'll stay healthy much longer. He's got a long, long way to go before he's anywhere near the player that Emmitt was.
Lol. A lot of words come out of Ray's mouth but he never really says anything.
No, you absolutely do not have to want the Skins to win.
This sort of thing is what I'm rooting for.
But their defense really is not that good on the whole. They're just on the field less than almost any other defense in football because their offense is on the field more than anyone else.
But their defense really is not that good on the whole. They're just on the field less than almost any other defense in football because their offense is on the field more than anyone else.
They are definitely playing better than what was expected. Whether that stays or not is unlikely, but their defense could be much, much worse.
500 of those vs the Giants in one game
It's not going to last all year. They're just not good. They don't get to the QB, they're not very good on 3rd downs and they've played with a lot of leads.
and take both teams fanbases with them!
500 of those vs the Giants in one game
i LOLed
Agreed. Skins look feisty. But will it last?
they beat the hawks on a toe in bounds miraculous catch by williams, stop putting them on a pedestal
Yeah, Skins can't rush the passer but they can stop the run, that's how you beat Dallas.
Giant fans that aren't rooting for Washington are really not tuned into what we need to make the playoffs.
Jint fans that have Redskin connections need to see the bigger picture, we need to destroy Dallas at anytime possible at any point during the season.
Redskins are so bad they need to be considered neutral, get it done fellas, make Dallas suffer...
Because clearly, they didn't get any motivation from the Jets as was suggested recently.
If the cowboys stay healthy they can win 10 - 12 games. that'd be tough to catch
they beat the hawks on a toe in bounds miraculous catch by williams, stop putting them on a pedestal
oh so now beating the seahawks is no big deal eh?
I hate Dallas and I am not putting them on a pedestal. It is more a comment on how muxh the Skins suck ass.
Comment was after the fact.
We're on the same page, Go Redskins!
Skins ball...
NFL football.. just can't predict it.
Giants are a terrible blitzing team. awful. but good blitzing can help compensate for a poor secondary. Spags did that a lot in the 07 run. protected our street free agent corners with blitzes
...
Robbins and Colfield were legit too
Garbage throw by McCoy
Romo looks off tonight
The NFL has been horrendous this season
I retort that the NFL is better when The Raiders are playing well
I've partied with Theisman, great guy.
Problem is Skins need to stop the run, Romo's banged up, if they go to Cousins and free up Garçon and Desean they can hang. With McCoy they have little chance...
I could be wrong but wasnt that guy desean Jackson? If it was I can't comprehend the decision to chuck it deep into double coverage when you have punt returner with a wide open field in front of him.
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Get Colt the flick outta there...
Agreed. I'm happy with Beckham and Richburg, but Martin is excellent. We could have taken Martin and then Cody Latimer in the second, who went to Denver. Latimer doesn't have a catch, but he was really good in college.
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He had a guy wide open in the flat.
I could be wrong but wasnt that guy desean Jackson? If it was I can't comprehend the decision to chuck it deep into double coverage when you have punt returner with a wide open field in front of him.
Yep. Mind boggling.
Huge fumble, though. This is why being able to force turnovers is big.
Boys got no D, let's get Garçon, Desean and Helu involved.
Go Skins!
;-)
Make it happen baby ...
That goes the same for opponent X thattl we need to beat NFC East teams/other potential playoff teams.
More Rob Lowe commercials please
9 minutes in the half left, Dallas hasn't scored. Stop the run , grab the brass ring.
Problem is, redskins are too dumb to take advantage so far.
Hang tight, this can happen, we need it, ain't gonna be no wild cards available...
wait. what? A stunt on offense?
Huh. That's a new wrinkle.
Oops
Unaccounted for?
I wish we could play them more often.
A lot better than anticipated.
Skins got to kill the clock and get at least 3.
7-6 at half is very acceptable.
Yeah baby,
Can't play a guy named Colt against the Cowboys though.
Free Desean! Give us Cousins!
Helu is the man though, faster than Morris...
Don't give them the ball back.
Play for 3, hope for a TD but don't give Romo a chance for Mo to change at the end of the half.
Skins can do this...
Dropped it, right in his hands. Garçon should have made the catch. Gotta play D
Romo pick, let's have it...
Agreed. The two personal fouls, sure, but what happened to the illegal hands to the face? That's gotta be marked off
But if he beats Dallas tonight, he can eat lunch at my house...
Play it...
TO Dallas. Still good...
Big 3rd down here.
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those penalties offset. If they do the rule is ridiculous
Agreed. The two personal fouls, sure, but what happened to the illegal hands to the face? That's gotta be marked off
Ok so they call the DB for illegal contact. Then they both get penalties after the play. Seems that it should have been 5yd 1st down and then offsetting penalties...
Skins, hanging tough...
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those penalties offset. If they do the rule is ridiculous
Agreed. The two personal fouls, sure, but what happened to the illegal hands to the face? That's gotta be marked off
Ok so they call the DB for illegal contact. Then they both get penalties after the play. Seems that it should have been 5yd 1st down and then offsetting penalties...
I thought the same thing.
Look at Chris Berman's tie!
Yeesh...
yup the steelers
Let him kill Dallas for a change...
QB change please...
The Redskins have been searching for a QB for at least twenty years. So has most of the league.
Wow. Some really nice run blocking by the Redskins against the same Dallas D that stuffed us for nothing.
We can say that but look at how fucking bad they were against us. They were by far the worst defense we played this year. Eli should have had 5 TD passes that night plus the one he ran for. We absolutely shredded them. They had no answer for us and we really haven't played like that against anyone else. We were good against HOU and ATL but not like that.
Side note... I'm starting to think Helu is better than Morris.
TD
is that his real nickname? If so, that's fucking stupid
This is big, if Dallas wins we are playing for the 2nd wildcard with Carolina, Seattle, San Fran, Detroit or Philly.
That ain't gonna happen. We need to win the division.
Go Skins!
Of Michael Sam?
Down goes Romo
Stay Classy San Diego
Rosemarie?
The Giants is a shadow of itself with their injuries
Yes.
He sure didn't look alright going to the locker room. He was walking completely stiff. Back injuries are no joke.
And hearing about Jerry's wife and the art she picked out to hang at the stadium.
Whatever happened to football?
Oh for the days of professional announcers like Ray Scott -
"Starr to Dowler. Touchdown".
Can't stand the gibberish from current NFL annnouncers.
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down goes romo! hard
Stay Classy San Diego
It was in reaction to the sack, bud.
I walk away for a moment and Romo is down. Weird.
I think you're right. Right after Jerry says, "This is the offensive line Tony Romo deserves," they practically get him killed.
That hit must have got him in exactly the wrong spot because it didn't look like a knockout shot or a Marshall on Montana hit (which was savage)
and fewell backed off. .this year we didnt do much..
fewell is rod rust...tc should be fired w these
assistants
What a shit defense.
Yeah really. Get him a goddamn cart.
Here you go: Link
Martin with the absolute smasher on the G Pull.
Stupid Reese.
(hahahah...come on, i had to!)
I laughed
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battle of the Cleveland rejects
Here you go: Link
Lol I love that video. under construction since 1868!
he'll have record.....
pass 2 times? ..murray could have
walked in
I'd say the Skins are hanging a lot tougher than we did.
Get it done! We need this...
Keepin them in this game...
2011 164 att 897 yds 5.5 avg
2012 161 att 663 yds 4.1 avg
2013 217 att 1171 yds 5.2 avg
2014 176 att 913 yds 4.9 avg
Despite what eveyone thinks, that Z. Martin has cured everything in Dallas, even Ebola, they were a very good running team for the 3 previous years.
What is the difference - Romo's back has forced them to run more
Get it done!
i didn't know until last week
We've put ourselves in that position...
Santana Moss would be our # 2 WR.
I don't think he even dressed when we played them
Damn, Greg has Ebola.....
I don't think he even dressed when we played them
I don't think he was dressed until last week
TOUCHDOWN
Shit, show us the rest of the family...
It was a sweet play when we did it against the Skins.
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Because this was the first time I even noticed him this year.
I don't think he even dressed when we played them
I don't think he was dressed until last week
Yeah, it looks like this is only the 3rd game he's even played in this year so I guess he hadn't played at all til recently.
O targets
it's mericas team
To be truthful, I'm not comfortable rooting for Romo to be badly hurt. Sure, I want Dallas to be weakened but I can't bring myself to be anything like those Philly fans who cheered and pumped their fists while Victor was on the ground writhing in pain.
And Jerry's on the field to lend his expertise.
I think he just told Garrett, "Listen Gingerboy, if we had drafted Johnny Footballs like I said, we wouldn't have to rely on this guy Brian Wheatson."
No, Colt is the placeholder until RG3 gets back. Captain Kirk got figured out and the Skins still have too much invested in RG3
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Lost his job if skins win
No, Colt is the placeholder until RG3 gets back. Captain Kirk got figured out and the Skins still have too much invested in RG3
don't waste your breath.
Well, that's good enough for me!
WHOA! ALL OF A SUDDEN THEY DECIDED TO FORGET HOW TO BLOCK!!!
SACK DANCE COMING UP!
Fuckin buffoons.
Yeesh
They absolutely suck.
puss bucket
It seems the skin are taking a page from our defensive playbook!
With the ball, 9 minutes left, on the road, Monday Nite, running game working.
Better than I could have asked for...
I can't wait until he retires. I can't stand him.
witten..screwed Giants for year....
I can't wait until he retires. I can't stand him.
he still gets it done though
Short, damn
Nuttin to lose
You have to go for it...
yeah, that was odd. he just kind of fell down like Theisman's colostomy bag.
Ha, so true.
fucking christ they don't make it easy
Nice job.
No such damn luck.
you knew the Redskins would fuck that up. completely.
Dallas can turn it over. Time of possession is big here, Washington is not run ragged, they can play D.
Don't panic...
Safety to win it?
He has escapability though
Bailey's a shitty kicker?
Here comes Romo to start flashing his clit all over the field.
And Jerry will be popping viagras like tic tacs tonight in the hopes that pig will ride his tiny mushroom.
Bailey's a shitty kicker?
Come on. Really Rock?
Here comes Romo to start flashing his clit all over the field.
And Jerry will be popping viagras like tic tacs tonight in the hopes that pig will ride his tiny mushroom.
LMAO
Eh, he was given an epidermal...can't feel a thing.
agree
I think big brother would year this defense a new ass
What a fucking joke.
Correct. It was a hold. Refs for Dallas!
Dallas. And ESPN doesn't even show it again
Before using TOs
Won't help the Giants since they're the worst blitzing defense in the history of organized football.
Skins hanging tough...
Only against us
Fewell would have the DE's in pass coverage
We don't joke about that.
Because they don't know how to blitz.
Three guys would have bumped into the linemen and the ball would have went 70 yards for a TD to an open receiver.
Somebody finally gets it
Because we have virtually no pass rush, our LBs are complete dogshit and we are missing three CBs.
New game
Let's see who has the better drugs!
I would have tried chucking it into FG range and hoping for a DPI.
Agreed. A bomb to dez or even a short pass to dez where he breaks some tackles. Maybe they just ram Murray down the Redskins throat.
McCoy will get pick 6'd and Romo will be hailed a hero although he did virtually nothing after returning except nearly give another game away.
we'll see. He's one tough SOB
Please Washington. PLEASE!
And Jordan Reed.
Short passes, high percentage.
Spring Desean when they don't expect it...
LOL Arc, you are just noticing this shit now? Or.. When they do get their the QB moves 2 feet to the left or right and our guys go right by. Even watching Luck get smashed by Blitzburgh was fun to see.
They are a mortal lock to fuck it up.
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Our blitzers look so fucking slow. These guys are flying to the QB and getting there in 2 seconds flat. Ours just run into linemen and never even get there.
LOL Arc, you are just noticing this shit now? Or.. When they do get their the QB moves 2 feet to the left or right and our guys go right by. Even watching Luck get smashed by Blitzburgh was fun to see.
Of course I'm not just noticing it now. It's just why I don't blame the DC as much as most people do.
The Redskins aren't sending super exotic blitzes here, they're just going cover 0 and sending the house on a lot of these downs. The difference is that the guys they are sending actually have speed and get there fast enough to impact the play and not force the DB's to hold man coverage . When we send guys, they run into the mess of players at the line and don't get there and just take themselves out of the play.. or when they do miraculously break through, they get juked by the QB and whiff.
RyanBear gets a Mohawk in the morning!
Play D
Beyond the first down marker. Reed was way short when he caught it, with a defender right in his face.
Give the man some room
That one's on McCoy...
Let's just hope the Redskins cover Witten? And read handoffs to Murray?
Lay off the hootch, it's late...
Give the man some room
That one's on McCoy...
Reed's slow. I'd say he's slow outta his break. But he doesn't even have a break. It's more like a broken.
Murray's due for a fumble...
Showtime...
Give the man some room
That one's on McCoy...
stop it. lay off the stupid, rock.
hopefully, the Giants can get some motivation from Romo getting back in the game tonight though.
Two way player. Great speed to cut down RB's and making plays tonight in the pass defense.
8% and the Redskins win!!!
Nicely done.
God, we suck...
2nd and 2 and you throw the ball 3 times with a gimp QB.
Eagles and Cowboys both lose
Suck it
Yeah, the difference is just that no one noticed because Washingtons blitzers routinely got to Romo tonight.
The difference in speed is blatantly obvious.
And of course Dez Bryant is bitching about a flag. Fuckin pisshole.
Breeland was the player of the game, imo.
Eagles and Cowboys both lose!!!!!!!
That has got to be an emotional boost for our boys!
NOW WIN ON MONDAY AND GIVE THIS SEASON SOME JUICE!
Dez asking for flag at the end. Was a great/clean play by the QB.
And of course Dez Bryant is bitching about a flag. Fuckin pisshole.
Breeland was the player of the game, imo.
Sorry but I just have to second that about what a total pisshole cry baby Bryant is!
We're back in it, but we have to win Monday.
lol
That helps us a fuck ton
Bi week?
NTTAWWT
is he that much of a hot Prada?
Bi week?
NTTAWWT
haha. yes! i thought the same thing.
Doesn't if the Giants can't start winning.
We did blitz and play man. The blitzes never got there and the man coverage couldn't hold long enough and got exploited.
Look how fast the Redskin players were past the line and forcing Romo to take sacks or get rid of the ball. Our players take forever and when they do get through, they can't even get a hold of the QB.
We are lacking speed on the defensive side of the football. Especially at LB. Williams is the only guy with wheels.
The one player we have with elite speed in the back 7 is DRC and we're not going to blitz him.
I said as much last week. They don't impress me.
Oh jesus STFU
The cowboys lost and it helps our position in the standings. Forget being a pessimist for a second and enjoy something that could help us if we get our shit together.
I don't get that shit.
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But you just gotta take it. This was a good weekend for us. The division could have been out of reach if these teams had both won. Instead we've still got at least a punchers chance.
Doesn't if the Giants can't start winning.
So you guys would rather have seen Dallas win tonight?
Alrighty...
It was the preferable result for us. Period. End of conversation.
Politely, I ask you to shut the f up! We have a shot to turn it around. The door is now open.
Really? Because that shitty banged up Redskins team, just beat the so called best team in football. And now they have to play a hot AZ team.
It's up for grabs
And it was simple ball control and getting to the passer. Murray got his yardage but didn't kill them.
Great win for Giant fans.
Dallas loses, we stay in the division champ picture.
Not so easy to swallow fir Washington Jint fans but you got to take a bullet for your team once in a while. Priorities are a fact of life.
That said
YEEFUCKINGHA...
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That stupid cover 2 against Dallas. You have to blitz and play man. Redskins showed it today
We did blitz and play man. The blitzes never got there and the man coverage couldn't hold long enough and got exploited.
Look how fast the Redskin players were past the line and forcing Romo to take sacks or get rid of the ball. Our players take forever and when they do get through, they can't even get a hold of the QB.
We are lacking speed on the defensive side of the football. Especially at LB. Williams is the only guy with wheels.
The one player we have with elite speed in the back 7 is DRC and we're not going to blitz him.
You are, of course, 100% correct.
And Dallas and Eagles may be better than us.
But what this weekend showed me is the Giants should have been their last two games more of a contest than they were.
The Eagles are not 27 points better than the Giants. And the Cowboys are not 10 points better than them either. Both were in critical games.
is he that much of a hot Prada?
"NO MEANS NO!!!"
They never get home and when they do, our guys miss. It's amazing to see a team actually get home when they blitz.
is he that much of a hot Prada?
No means No!
And Dallas and Eagles may be better than us.
But what this weekend showed me is the Giants should have been their last two games more of a contest than they were.
The Eagles are not 27 points better than the Giants. And the Cowboys are not 10 points better than them either. Both were in critical games.
They all point to poor coaching and game planning on the Giants.
Our guys have now GOT to believe that they can come back and beat these guys next match.
Let's go.
uh, genius...even if the Gmen don't win the division, there is still something called the "Wild Card". The more the Eagles/Cowboys lose, the greater the possibility the Giants get one.
And Dallas and Eagles may be better than us.
But what this weekend showed me is the Giants should have been their last two games more of a contest than they were.
The Eagles are not 27 points better than the Giants. And the Cowboys are not 10 points better than them either. Both were in critical games.
Don't discount the weird scheduling where the Giants play their first divisional game at home on Week 12. That's ridiculous.
And Steve Young there to wipe it out of his mouth.
LMAO Greg!
They never get home and when they do, our guys miss. It's amazing to see a team actually get home when they blitz.
We don't disguise our blitz very well. No stunts or moving players and fewell is a joke.
They never get home and when they do, our guys miss. It's amazing to see a team actually get home when they blitz.
Yes, exactly.
If the blitzes aren't getting there, why is he going to keep sending them? All he's doing at that point is leaving DB's in man coverage and asking to give up a big play via a mismatch.
To me, this isn't about not wanting to blitz or being stubborn.. it's that we're literally creating a disadvantage for our defensive backfield by doing it.
Blitzing is great when you've got the speed to get there and impact the play. But if you don't you're just taking your own guys out of the play.
We'll fix things by next week.
Great win for us tonight.
They're coming out of the woodwork on this thread and weren't around before the end.
Spare yourself the agony, be happy, we're still alive and a week further into the "process".
Bi week?
NTTAWWT
Rocky: I'm pumped. "Bi-week" lol - "BYE WEEK" "transgender-week"
Whatever! It was good!
After AZ they have 5 of last 7 away. 2 home games are Ind & Phi
Moot if the Giants dont win next week
That said, I have more of a problem with him dropping pass rushers on 3rd-and-long.
The soft, all-talk, loser bunch of pussies who call themselves the Giants had better make this count somehow and start winning football games, because they were shown up by a garbage team tonight.
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In one of the articles they said 6 times we blitzed against Dallas. I think Raanan wrote it.
They never get home and when they do, our guys miss. It's amazing to see a team actually get home when they blitz.
We don't disguise our blitz very well. No stunts or moving players and fewell is a joke.
There was nothing overly complicated about what the Redskins did tonight. Gruden knew exactly when they were blitzing from the booth and you can bet Dallas did, too.
Blitzing doesn't have to be about confusing people. The point of a blitz is that you're rushing more men than the offense can block. That's it. It's a very simple concept.
You either get there or you don't. We aren't. The Redskins did tonight.
I really hope they fixed some shit and some guys got healthy over the bye. Hopefully the extra day off helps too.
After AZ they have 5 of last 7 away. 2 home games are Ind & Phi
Moot if the Giants dont win next week
Arizona May be physical but their pass rush blows. Not sure how much you watched of them.
This weekend was a pretty good slap in the face to the Giants as a franchise.
We have a VERY good QB playing at a high level right now.
Yet we've scored 21 points in two weeks. And our defense is getting out-played by defensively weak NFC East teams.
Eric from BBI,
Football is a game of match ups. Did you see the redskins defense flying around bringing pressure? How often do we do that in our scheme
Disagree Eric. They were primed to get off to a good start following 0-6 last year. The schedule worked against them. No one - team, fans, media, etc - wanted to see another awful start.
The schedule is working against them. They go 7-2 the rest of the season and i'm fine with it. it's within reach but one game at a time. They have to hold serve at home against good teams - IND, SF, and DAL - and pummel the weak teams on the road - plus pull out two divisional wins at home.
It's not rocket science. It's there for the taking, imo.
This weekend couldn't have been better.
That said, only half a game ahead of the Redskins, who have a winnable game against the Vikings next. The next week is gonna be a pain in the neck.
The soft, all-talk, loser bunch of pussies who call themselves the Giants had better make this count somehow and start winning football games, because they were shown up by a garbage team tonight.
Except when the Giants played this terrible, garbage Redskins team, the Giants utterly annihilated them.
The NFL in 2014 is just week-to-week. You just can't get twisted into knots over it anymore. And it doesn't help that the Giants are without their top two slot receivers, top two nickel corners, their top running back, and now their starting Mike. And arguably our best CB is not near 100%.
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And what did we do to the Skins defense?
Eric from BBI,
Football is a game of match ups. Did you see the redskins defense flying around bringing pressure? How often do we do that in our scheme
Eric: "The book" is out now on how to defend the Cowboys. If it continues to play out the same way over the next 3 weeks then Fewell better damn well ajust his scheme.
There is no legit reason why our defense played worse than the Skins tonight.
The Skins threw the kitchen sink at us and they couldn't stop us. 45 points.
Dallas stuffed our running game. 40 percent of our plays went for 2 yards or less.
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In one of the articles they said 6 times we blitzed against Dallas. I think Raanan wrote it.
They never get home and when they do, our guys miss. It's amazing to see a team actually get home when they blitz.
Yes, exactly.
If the blitzes aren't getting there, why is he going to keep sending them? All he's doing at that point is leaving DB's in man coverage and asking to give up a big play via a mismatch.
To me, this isn't about not wanting to blitz or being stubborn.. it's that we're literally creating a disadvantage for our defensive backfield by doing it.
Blitzing is great when you've got the speed to get there and impact the play. But if you don't you're just taking your own guys out of the play.
Or why not design them better? You know.. be creative or is that asking too much?
So in the mean time rely on the front 4, and fucking pray teams don't know how to sit in the zone and move the ball.
Let's see what happens when we run that shit against Luck. Did you see Blitzburgh knock around Luck?
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That stupid cover 2 against Dallas. You have to blitz and play man. Redskins showed it today
We did blitz and play man. The blitzes never got there and the man coverage couldn't hold long enough and got exploited.
Look how fast the Redskin players were past the line and forcing Romo to take sacks or get rid of the ball. Our players take forever and when they do get through, they can't even get a hold of the QB.
We are lacking speed on the defensive side of the football. Especially at LB. Williams is the only guy with wheels.
The one player we have with elite speed in the back 7 is DRC and we're not going to blitz him.
Forget it. These guys have their favorite memes and they are just going to keep repeating them no matter what.
You are, of course, 100% correct.
Yeah because the Redskins were playing with elite speed out there. Old ass Ryan Clark and Merriweather who gets beat badly almost everyweek. Not to mention Breeland and his 4.6 40 time
We absolutely shredded the Redskins defense and Dallas could barely figure them out. It's just one giant game of chess and adjustments.
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I guess on paper, but anybody who has watched the Us knows we are not winning the division. It helps us on paper, it doesn't help us in reality.
uh, genius...even if the Gmen don't win the division, there is still something called the "Wild Card". The more the Eagles/Cowboys lose, the greater the possibility the Giants get one.
Uh genius, there are only two wild cards so unless you gave us beating SF and Seattle, we will lose out on a tiebreaker to them, we already lost to Detroit, there goes that tiebreaker when GB overtakes them. As I said, only way in unless we beat Seattle and SF is division and we are 1-2 against divison and 0-2 avainst teams above us. It helps on paper, but in reality we need to go 7-2 the rest of the way to have a legit shot. Not happening. Sorry if this is news to you.
-Our starting Mike played like ass on the rare occasions he was on the field, and the Giants were the ones stupid enough to rely on a guy who is never healthy in the first place.
-if our offense falls to pieces when a journeyman RB misses a few games, we truly do sick.
You got that right.. Every time I watch another team I feel this way.. Arc, if the blitzes are not getting home, then someone is not doing their job right.. Plus like I said before that TD to Escobar against the Gaints is where Fewell needed to throw a blitz, he didn't and Romo had all the time in the world.
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That stupid cover 2 against Dallas. You have to blitz and play man. Redskins showed it today
We did blitz and play man. The blitzes never got there and the man coverage couldn't hold long enough and got exploited.
Look how fast the Redskin players were past the line and forcing Romo to take sacks or get rid of the ball. Our players take forever and when they do get through, they can't even get a hold of the QB.
We are lacking speed on the defensive side of the football. Especially at LB. Williams is the only guy with wheels.
The one player we have with elite speed in the back 7 is DRC and we're not going to blitz him.
Forget it. These guys have their favorite memes and they are just going to keep repeating them no matter what.
You are, of course, 100% correct.
Yeah because the Redskins were playing with elite speed out there. Old ass Ryan Clark and Merriweather who gets beat badly almost everyweek. Not to mention Breeland and his 4.6 40 time
Did you watch the game tonight or no?
Those guys barely had to hold coverages tonight because all of the guys they were blitzing were pressuring the QB within 2 seconds.
Dallas couldn't run deep routes or deep enough drops to exploit those guys.
By the way, Breeland was fantastic tonight. I don't care what his 40 time is. That guy can play.
It is what it is.
A great weekend for the Jints.
Enjoy it.
Greg's pissed because he hates the Redskins more than he likes the Giants.
Makes it twice as nice for me, Jints benefit and Greg's pissed. Shit, I might dress up as an Indian for Halloween.
Have a nice night, lol...
The soft, all-talk, loser bunch of pussies who call themselves the Giants had better make this count somehow and start winning football games, because they were shown up by a garbage team tonight.
Uh, the same garbage team we smoked not that long ago?
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In one of the articles they said 6 times we blitzed against Dallas. I think Raanan wrote it.
They never get home and when they do, our guys miss. It's amazing to see a team actually get home when they blitz.
Yes, exactly.
If the blitzes aren't getting there, why is he going to keep sending them? All he's doing at that point is leaving DB's in man coverage and asking to give up a big play via a mismatch.
To me, this isn't about not wanting to blitz or being stubborn.. it's that we're literally creating a disadvantage for our defensive backfield by doing it.
Blitzing is great when you've got the speed to get there and impact the play. But if you don't you're just taking your own guys out of the play.
Or why not design them better? You know.. be creative or is that asking too much?
So in the mean time rely on the front 4, and fucking pray teams don't know how to sit in the zone and move the ball.
Let's see what happens when we run that shit against Luck. Did you see Blitzburgh knock around Luck?
I saw Luck throw for 400 yards and the Colts score 34 points.
Luck is a big dude. It doesn't matter how many times he got hit after a throw. He still made plays. He only got sacked twice.
PIT won the game because Indy's defense was even worse and Ben looked like he was playing Madden on rookie
There is no legit reason why our defense played worse than the Skins tonight.
The Skins threw the kitchen sink at us and they couldn't stop us. 45 points.
Dallas stuffed our running game. 40 percent of our plays went for 2 yards or less.
And to compensate what the did they do? Blitz! Not sit back. Prince is good, and DRC is injury prone. It's not like we are loaded in the backfield.
So then what happens? We rush 4 and drop people back and rely on the front 4 to get home. When they don't teams easily pick apart out zone.
We got the ball out quick. Two different systems, hence football is a game of match ups. What the hell happened when we played the Eagles? They blitzed too.
We got fucked up because we ran passing concepts that different from all the previous games. And so against Dallas we reverted back to what we usually ran and perhaps became even more conservative with our game plan.
Football is a game of match ups. We didn't match up well against the Cowboys. They know this system and played damn well. They matched up and they won.
Our running game sucks now. We aren't run blocking well. That defense did a good job against us. This offense is still a work in progress. Add the fact we lack talent on offense and you get a work in progress that perhaps needs a year or two to get better.
Read anything about Bill Walsh and his WCO and he deemed the opposite to be true.
Philosophically, you can't have a traditional coach like TC either undermining, overriding, intimidating or influencing the OC to the point where the basic tenets of the offensive gameplan are compromised.
The Dallas game two weeks ago was an example of a difference in styles and philosophies on the offensive end more than a lack of execution.
In today's offensive-minded and shaded game there is no reason why the pass cannot open up the run. Particularly when you're relying on a rookie and an offensive line that was humiliated the week before.
I don't buy that Dallas and Philly are that much better. What i buy is that our coaching staff is stubborn and somewhat simplistic in their gameplanning. Neither of those traits can be in consideration during the present state of the NFL.
-Our starting Mike played like ass on the rare occasions he was on the field, and the Giants were the ones stupid enough to rely on a guy who is never healthy in the first place.
-if our offense falls to pieces when a journeyman RB misses a few games, we truly do sick.
The Texans thought the journeyman RB was pretty good. And when Cruz is out, too, that has an effect.
Look, I happen to think the Giants will be 3-6 after 9. But that doesn't mean they will be. In fact, since 3-6 seems reasonable, it probably won't happen. Tonight's outcome helped them in the division race. I'll take it right now. The 7-7 Giants in 2011 looked like they were going nowhere fast, too.
On defensive side of the ball, we should be able to rush the passer better than the Skins, who lost their best pass rusher, Orakpo.
Yes, it's a game of match-ups but it is also a game of personnel.
Pretty sad when the Skins show up but we don't - especially since this is a team the Giants smoked.
The Giants-Cowboys game had playoff-type importance to the Giants.
You still need to get pressure on him. Those hits accumulate throughout the game. The fact Luck still got his numbers is a credit to him as a player. Doesn't mean you stop blitzing or get frustrated because he keeps making plays. The guy is a sick player. So you keep hitting him, and hope your D can make plays in key situations, like the pick 6.
Didn't they get a safety? I was switching around channels. Then you try to take adv. offensively which the Steelers did. If it was us we'd have a boner for balance and try running a lot more.
I don't see how a work in progress offense like ours can go toe to toe with Luck especially when we lack big plays, in terms of home run balls. We don't match up well against them
Just gear up and get ready for the big game next week, brothers.
The Giants have flashed and then had setbacks. Let's go O-LINE.
Make it happen!
"On defensive side of the ball, we should be able to rush the passer better than the Skins, who lost their best pass rusher, Orakpo.
Yes, it's a game of match-ups but it is also a game of personnel.
Pretty sad when the Skins show up but we don't - especially since this is a team the Giants smoked.
The Giants-Cowboys game had playoff-type importance to the Giants"
Exactly.. I don't think it could have been said better period.
You still need to get pressure on him. Those hits accumulate throughout the game. The fact Luck still got his numbers is a credit to him as a player. Doesn't mean you stop blitzing or get frustrated because he keeps making plays. The guy is a sick player. So you keep hitting him, and hope your D can make plays in key situations, like the pick 6.
Didn't they get a safety? I was switching around channels. Then you try to take adv. offensively which the Steelers did. If it was us we'd have a boner for balance and try running a lot more.
I don't see how a work in progress offense like ours can go toe to toe with Luck especially when we lack big plays, in terms of home run balls. We don't match up well against them
They got a safety but it was because Luck got called for intentional grounding in the endzone.
I mean, the Steelers gave up 448 yards of offense in that game. People wouldn't care if we gave up 34 points and 448 yards as long as we just kept blitzing on every down?
That game looked like a scrimmage. There was over 1,000 yards of total offense allowed by those two teams combined.
I just don't see good blitzers on this defense and I think that matters. I don't think each guy is equally suited to blitz. To me, it's not just if you send a guy he should get there. Some guys are much better at it than others... especially faster players. We really don't have much speed at all at the LB position which makes it a lot harder. Demps is relatively fast so Fewell tried to send him and he completely whiffed on Romo when he got through.
I don't see the sense in continuing to blitz if you've got a slow front that don't get there. It just opens up more downfield.
WTF? Really?
Meanwhile, the Giants blitz and run like Frank the Tank's Nude Run in Old School without bothering to breakdown their feet, settle their pads and play the tendency. He spins out and makes a play against Fewell's clownshow.
It's child's play really.
Have fun getting up tomorrow morning Tony.
On defensive side of the ball, we should be able to rush the passer better than the Skins, who lost their best pass rusher, Orakpo.
Yes, it's a game of match-ups but it is also a game of personnel.
Pretty sad when the Skins show up but we don't - especially since this is a team the Giants smoked.
The Giants-Cowboys game had playoff-type importance to the Giants.
Is there something wrong with the quoting feature? It looks different then before..
No, but they stopped the run which was big. They did try blitzing. But we got the ball out quickly and went back to the passing concepts we used in previous games. So even if they did rush the passer well, I expected changes from the Eagles game.
Our OL still isn't good and you saw stupid penalties that put us in god awful down and distances. It's funny, I saw their defense barely knew anyone on it. I was hoping we could run it for once. However, match ups. They did a hell of a job matching up their front vs our OL. They stopped us.
You have seen the Perry Fewell defense. Like the Gilbride offense it's boom or bust. When it's on we get all sorts of pass rush that translates into sacks, and pressures that result in turnovers, which by the way is a key aspect of Perry Fewells defense.
However, when we go Bust, this defensive line doesn't get pressure. And so we do things like rush 3, in hopes of having more players to fill the various passing zones, theory being our defenders can make plays because more of them are in their zone then players running routes. However, that usually doesn't work.
QBs have ran for the first down, or scrambled and utilized scramble rules initiated by the WRs to make plays. That's what Pittsburgh did yesterday. I agree it's about personnel as well and both sides are weak. This team is not that good Eric.
So in the meantime what do we do? Can we out scheme teams? Can we add tendency breakers we haven't shown yet now after the BYE week?
I want to see how teams play us on both sides of the ball specifically on defense against our offense now that more tape is available. Can we add blitzes or design them different so they can get home? The Redskins may have shitty talent but some of their blitzes were damn good.
When we get home our fucking players miss the QB. How many games before we fix that?
How is this difficult to understand? It's week 8. Lots of football left to play. Every loss by a divisional opponent helps the Giants.
Also, Seattle and SF do not look unbeatable in the slightest this season. Have you watched any of their games?
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after next Monday...at least the Cowpukes and Eagirls lost.
WTF? Really?
Yes. If we continue to do what we did the last 2 weeks. Play absolutely shitless scared football. I can live with our offense playing conservative, but our defense being agressive. I can live with our offense throwing bombs like they just don't give a fuck, with our defense playing bend AND break. What I can't stand is scared fucking football on both sides of the ball.
Meanwhile, the Giants blitz and run like Frank the Tank's Nude Run in Old School without bothering to breakdown their feet, settle their pads and play the tendency. He spins out and makes a play against Fewell's clownshow.
It's child's play really.
That is on the players.
On the Giants 1st and 10 show on MSG, Banks in the "Strategy" segment pointed this out with the film on the Romo spin move when the blitzer is coming and how to allow the pressure to work for you rather than him spinning away and buying time to complete the pass.
Instead, on 2 or 3 occasions, the Giants defender takes the bad angle, Romo spins away and either scrambles or make a play for a first down.
Banks on the broadcast couldn't believe the Giants were screwing this up in Dallas that day.
I mean, the Steelers gave up 448 yards of offense in that game. People wouldn't care if we gave up 34 points and 448 yards as long as we just kept blitzing on every down?
That game looked like a scrimmage. There was over 1,000 yards of total offense allowed by those two teams combined.
I just don't see good blitzers on this defense and I think that matters. I don't think each guy is equally suited to blitz. To me, it's not just if you send a guy he should get there. Some guys are much better at it than others... especially faster players. We really don't have much speed at all at the LB position which makes it a lot harder. Demps is relatively fast so Fewell tried to send him and he completely whiffed on Romo when he got through.
I don't see the sense in continuing to blitz if you've got a slow front that don't get there. It just opens up more downfield.
He was probably blitzed, correct? Well that's on Fewell and assistant coaches. If you're running game sucks, do you stop running the damn ball? You can't blitz so then what. Pray and hope game after game your DL gets there? That's a brutal way to play.
Bring a safety. Bring a CB. This is why I missed the aggressive nature of Spags scheme. Not saying I want him, specifically as a DC back, but the scheme was great. He supplemented our DL talent. He attacked A gap with blitzes by AP or Mitchell. He brought Ross from the slot and/or Wilson or Michael Johnson from the safety spot.
So the DL pressure made you step up. However A gap pressure was there to get the sack. At times you have 1 LB and Ross/Wilson coming in. So you can't step up because of A gap pressure and get move around because of alley pressure from a CB or Safety.
It was fun to watch. He supplemented DL talent with good blitzes. Now if we are not good at it. Practice it. We suck at running the ball, are we going to stop? You have to bring pressure to keep the offense honest. Otherwise it's fucking easy. You just have your OL protect and if they can't do it, you see QBs run for it, or move around and get more time for the WRs to separate against our secondary players.
You have to do something. Even if it's as a tendency breaker to make opposing offenses say, well that's fucking new. Normally they never do that but they did this time. That's what Eli said the Eagles did. They broke tendencies and did stuff the offense didn't see. How did that work out?
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the Skins did their film and recognized Romo's signature move of spinning oppo play side to avoid the sack.
Meanwhile, the Giants blitz and run like Frank the Tank's Nude Run in Old School without bothering to breakdown their feet, settle their pads and play the tendency. He spins out and makes a play against Fewell's clownshow.
It's child's play really.
That is on the players.
On the Giants 1st and 10 show on MSG, Banks in the "Strategy" segment pointed this out with the film on the Romo spin move when the blitzer is coming and how to allow the pressure to work for you rather than him spinning away and buying time to complete the pass.
Instead, on 2 or 3 occasions, the Giants defender takes the bad angle, Romo spins away and either scrambles or make a play for a first down.
Banks on the broadcast couldn't believe the Giants were screwing this up in Dallas that day.
Uhh. Yeah I know. That's what I said.
Which CB's would you even blitz with right now? DRC will probably get leveled. Do you want to take Prince out of coverage? I'm definitely not blitzing Zack Bowman.
Fewell tried to use Demps. Demps whiffed.
I think Rolle is a good blitzer but again.. it's risky. When you have 1 good safety, I don't know how eager you're going to be to send him into the backfield on a pass play.
Spags also had the luxury of a legitimate MIKE. Antonio Pierce was an extremely cerebral player. He was his own DC.
Fewell had one for about 8 games in 4+ years. Goff, Greg Jones... Blackburn.. Herzlich... those were the guys Fewell had to use in the middle most of the time he's been here.
Can we move on from Fewell, please?
It comes down to two different theories on defense. If you're secondary sucks, then you may go with let's bring heat and add things we haven't shown in hopes we can cut down on the time in the pocket and see if we can get turnovers that way. Also, let's limit the time the secondary has to cover by bringing pressure.
Another way of thinking and I think this is Fewell's defensive philosophy, is our secondary is what it is. He doesn't want to give up the home run ball. So we focus on keeping the plays in front of us. We rely on the front 4 to get home, and have good coverage throughout the various passing zones. So the theory is, the QB can't find anyone open and by that time the front 4 gets home. If the QB rushes, our Cbs are playing zone or off man coverage so they can make a play on the ball.
I get that philosophy too. My personal preference is to bring pressure. Both ways can have weaknesses. However, if my defense is simply not talented I'd try to mix it up, and add tendency breakers, but if I am going to lose, I'd bring pressure and burned that way, then sitting back and watching an offense pick apart a zone.
So it depends on what people like. I just dislike the philosophy of this scheme just like I disliked the passing scheme of our previous offensive system. I am damn happy we finally changed schemes.
Spags defense was fun to watch and very aggressive and able to provide pressure in a number of ways, stunts, corner/safety blitzes, LB A gap blitzes, etc. It was creative and if well-timed very effective.
Which CB's would you even blitz with right now? DRC will probably get leveled. Do you want to take Prince out of coverage? I'm definitely not blitzing Zack Bowman.
Fewell tried to use Demps. Demps whiffed.
I think Rolle is a good blitzer but again.. it's risky. When you have 1 good safety, I don't know how eager you're going to be to send him into the backfield on a pass play.
Spags also had the luxury of a legitimate MIKE. Antonio Pierce was an extremely cerebral player. He was his own DC.
Fewell had one for about 8 games in 4+ years. Goff, Greg Jones... Blackburn.. Herzlich... those were the guys Fewell had to use in the middle most of the time he's been here.
Did they knew they were coming? When you come through untouched you usually beat the protection. Spags used to talk about that if I remember correctly. Did the skins do anything different or show something that wasn't seen in previous weeks? I don't know I been busy this season so stick to Giants games and some games here and there.
Depends on the formation. Who do we have out there? Demps whiffed but how about Rolle? If we got home with Michael Johnson, we should be able to coach up someone like Demps. Do we send Rolle often? If not, there you go that's something unexpected offenses can't prepare for because we hardly ever do.
It's risky but if we are going to go down swinging I'd rather mix it up be aggressive side of the spectrum. But that's my preference. On offense, I like this conservative nature of it, and high percentage passing concepts. It all depends. I have ZERO faith in our defense. So my expectations is that if they have a good game, it's a pleasant surprise.
True, we had AP, but the point is he and a game plan when it came to blitzing. What's ours in this system? Just because you are not good at blitzing you stop blitzing.. in a fucking passing league, where the CBs can't do shit without getting flagged? Yeah, good luck with that in this scheme and then factor personnel not being good across the board.
Then you say what? You hope the offense scores on Mon. night. They are a work in progress as well. That's why I have zero expectations this Monday night. If Eli has another good game, I am happy.
He also had guys like Rivers, and JW who have some speed. Send them. You get beat fine. Better than watching the zone get curved up or watching home run balls anyways.
Talent is low on both sides of the ball. At least our scheme on offense is trying to compensate for it. It's the best they can do with the talent they have on offense. You have to figure out something and so right now it's quick passes, high percentage stuff and boner for balance. So even if it's 3rd and 298192381 we will run a draw. Or even if the running game sucks, we are still going to run it.
We are making due with the talent right now.
Spags defense was fun to watch and very aggressive and able to provide pressure in a number of ways, stunts, corner/safety blitzes, LB A gap blitzes, etc. It was creative and if well-timed very effective.
Yeah, it was fun to watch. Now Arc and Eric are correct when they bring up personnel. They are correct, but you play with the cards dealt. In this care it comes down to what the philosophy of the system is.
Is it conversative, keep everything in front of you, don't give up the deep ball? If so, then you will see more guys in coverage, off man and zone coverage, with just 4 or sometimes 3 guys rushing. I get that theory, hoping your guys cover so well, the pass rush gets home OR causes the QB to make a bad throw resulting in a turnover, which PF's defense is known for. That's fine if people like that kind of defense.
Just like the Gilbride offense, this defense philosophy is not something I like. The only DC I was happy without seeing the guy just based on defensive philosophy was Spags. I liked Jim Johnson as a DC. So that philosophy appealed to me. I disliked Tim Lewis, and Sheridan. Not a fan of Fewell either.
it feels that way doesnt it? hmmm.
Its a pleasure to read Anish's insight on this board daily.
unfortunately he usually got hit before he could make em pay.
the whole line just got overloaded from defending against at least 6 defenders on EVERY play.
Can we move on from Fewell, please?
It is sad. I can't believe Romo and that offense couldn't counter being shown Cover 0 constantly. You would think witten Escobar, Murray, and Bryant might cut off their routes or be able to outmuscle a DB as romo fires off a pass immediately. Maybe romo would realize he has less blockers than rushers, or they would have played some max protect.
Jim haslett's defense has given up huge point totals playing this type of defense. Teams in the past have had a very easy time exploiting his scheme. The Redskins played their defense last night and it worked. In recent years and games this defense has been blown apart.
I don't know if it was just inspired play and the redskins playing fast or romo and the offense not being able to adjust or gameplan for been attacked all game. The Cowboys offense looked a lot like how the Giants offense did against the Eagles. Only difference is they can actually run the ball.
Why did they have success last night? Haslett designed blitzes that Perry could only dream of coming up with. And this is what pisses me off about the defense of Fewell....
Washington was rushing 7-8 guys and daring Romo to make a mistake. When we blitzed, we would send one random blitzer (sending a total of 5 defenders) into an offense that has 6-7 guys blocking. People could still double team when we blitz where last night there were free rushers, guys gettign 1 on 1 matchups. Dont give me this that the Redskins were "fast" or that their corners played "excellent". People are saying that what they were doing was so bovious and easy to pick up... Um, no they werent easy pickup because Romo looked CLUELESS against their blitzs. He had no clue where guys were coming from. Our blitzes are so obvious that the waterboy can spot them before the snap.
Last night was an instance where Fewell's lack of blitz designed came to fruition. Haslett is no HOF DC, but last night he designed a game plan for his suck ass defense that was successful. And he did it with absolute shit players.
Fewell is out of excuses. The last two weeks, his defense was absolutely destroyed by division rivals.
Also, as mentioned before, Dallas made NO adjustment to this whatsoever which is why it kept working. Callahan did a miserable job last night. You've got to move to max protect when your QB is walking like he just got hit by a freight train and has a bad back but he continued to send 3 and 4 guys on routes to leave the line overmatched.
It's a numbers game. Haslett did nothing "exotic" and he didn't "design" anything fancy. It's Cover 0. You're bringing the house. This is not something the guy drew up in a lab and people can't figure out.
All I said about the Redskins personnel was that they showed the speed to get there. They have guys who can run. Doesn't mean they're all elite players but I think the Giants defense is certainly lacking in speed (mostly at the LB position)
Why did they have success last night? Haslett designed blitzes that Perry could only dream of coming up with. And this is what pisses me off about the defense of Fewell....
Washington was rushing 7-8 guys and daring Romo to make a mistake. When we blitzed, we would send one random blitzer (sending a total of 5 defenders) into an offense that has 6-7 guys blocking. People could still double team when we blitz where last night there were free rushers, guys gettign 1 on 1 matchups. Dont give me this that the Redskins were "fast" or that their corners played "excellent". People are saying that what they were doing was so bovious and easy to pick up... Um, no they werent easy pickup because Romo looked CLUELESS against their blitzs. He had no clue where guys were coming from. Our blitzes are so obvious that the waterboy can spot them before the snap.
The Redskins weren't disgusing the blitzes they showed blitz constantly and blitzed most times. The Cowboys didn't adjust at all that I could see. They almost constantly had a free man running at romo unimpeded. I don't agree that haslett came up with some super cowboy stopping disguised blitz gameplan. I think game tape of his defenses would show this type of scheme and plays in the past. It would also show offenses scoring all over it.
Also, as mentioned before, Dallas made NO adjustment to this whatsoever which is why it kept working. Callahan did a miserable job last night. You've got to move to max protect when your QB is walking like he just got hit by a freight train and has a bad back but he continued to send 3 and 4 guys on routes to leave the line overmatched.
It's a numbers game. Haslett did nothing "exotic" and he didn't "design" anything fancy. It's Cover 0. You're bringing the house. This is not something the guy drew up in a lab and people can't figure out.
All I said about the Redskins personnel was that they showed the speed to get there. They have guys who can run. Doesn't mean they're all elite players but I think the Giants defense is certainly lacking in speed (mostly at the LB position)
I have seen Riley play a lot. He's fair. And the only reason why they looked fast was because they were successful in what they did. If Romo throws the ball earlier or even recognized a blitz.... we would be saying, "well their blitzes didnt work because they were too slow and couldnt get to the QB."
Believe it or not..... I am not going to give all the credit to Haslett and their defense. They were gashed on the ground, gave up some big plays to backs/tight ends. Actually, I think Romo was GOD AWFUL even before his injury. He realistically could have had 3-4 INTs, almost lost a fumble. He couldnt read the blitz to save his life (credit Haslett for designing some creative blitzes even if they were jailbreak ones.) I thought Romo cost his team last night and thought it was pure idiocy putting him back in the game.
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Why did they have success last night? Haslett designed blitzes that Perry could only dream of coming up with. And this is what pisses me off about the defense of Fewell....
Washington was rushing 7-8 guys and daring Romo to make a mistake. When we blitzed, we would send one random blitzer (sending a total of 5 defenders) into an offense that has 6-7 guys blocking. People could still double team when we blitz where last night there were free rushers, guys gettign 1 on 1 matchups. Dont give me this that the Redskins were "fast" or that their corners played "excellent". People are saying that what they were doing was so bovious and easy to pick up... Um, no they werent easy pickup because Romo looked CLUELESS against their blitzs. He had no clue where guys were coming from. Our blitzes are so obvious that the waterboy can spot them before the snap.
The Redskins weren't disgusing the blitzes they showed blitz constantly and blitzed most times. The Cowboys didn't adjust at all that I could see. They almost constantly had a free man running at romo unimpeded. I don't agree that haslett came up with some super cowboy stopping disguised blitz gameplan. I think game tape of his defenses would show this type of scheme and plays in the past. It would also show offenses scoring all over it.
BS. He didnt bring the house every play. He came with some 5-6 blitzes (a couple with Merriweather where he was the only blitzer). And did anyone recognize the 3rd and 3 play in OT. He showed an all out blitz, Romo audibled, and they all back up - ruining the play. Haslett was pretty good last night (and as I said, it helped that Romo was god awful). But to say he didnt design any blitzes is just some lazy analysis.
Again.. not calling the guy an elite JLB but he led that team in tackles last year and is better than you're giving him credit for. He took a pretty big step forward and has become pretty solid in pass coverage. They use him in a bunch of different ways.
Ego perhaps. That the offense has been successful to this date, all we need is a little time to make a play and we can win this. So stick with what we are doing. Eventually we can get one on this defense.
Credit the DC for coming up with excellent blitzes.
What Haslett did was really not rocket science.
Send more than they can block and someone's going to get a free run at the QB. He knew his secondary wouldn't be able to hold coverages long so he just kept dialing up pressure and Dallas never adjusted.
Where did I say that? I saw all out blitzes, I saw 5-6 man pass rush, I saw them fake blitz and confuse the hell out of Romo. Romo himself said he didnt even know where the blitzes were coming from.
Seems to me that is saying that he desgined some pretty good blitzes to me.
What Haslett did was really not rocket science.
Send more than they can block and someone's going to get a free run at the QB. He knew his secondary wouldn't be able to hold coverages long so he just kept dialing up pressure and Dallas never adjusted.
He did not bring the house every play last night. Not even close. He had a lot of successful blitzes just sending 5-6 rushers that were desgined really well.
Here is a 5 man rush where blitzed a LB and safety. Worked to perfection. Offense obviously did not pick up on it whatsoever. This is an example of a very good bltiz design, and not just bringing the house.
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Spags talked about this or there were articles on this when we beat the pats in the SB. That we beat their pass protection. We go over 3,5, and 7 step pass protections and design blitzes that beat it. With our DL and ability to blitz efficiently we fucked Brady up.
These blitzes were damn good. When guys come in untouched it means you came up with a blitz that wasn't accounted for. You beat the protection. We had 1 fucking blitz against Dallas that did that. Demps came in and did that.
In fact we have blitzed on occasion where we beat the protection, however our guys get juked easily by opposing QBs.
Haslett came up with a good game plan and it worked well. Tip your hat to him. Now opposing teams can review this and say. wow, we have much better personnel, so let's use some of these concepts and tailor it to our personnel.
I am sure every DC in this league is familiar with these concepts.
I'd love to see us do that more if I had any faith that our players would actually get to the QB before he identified the rush and hit his hot read
You said they played cover 0 (which the ydid for a lot of the night, but not every play or even close to it.)
You said what Haslett did last night wasnt rocket science.... but you are undercrediting what he did. The video I showed obviously would have been a game changing play if Kerrigan recovers the fumble and it was a great desgined blitz. Rewatch the 3rd and 3 play in OT. He fooled the hell out of Romo who thought it was an all out blitz only for them to back out into something else.
Haslett is no great DC, I agree. But to say he did basically one thing and wasnt rocket science last night is just wrong.
Seems McAdoo knew exactly how to pick them apart and Callahan couldn't figure it out all night.
And to say we dont have the talent to do what the Redskins last night is absurd.
I am sure every DC in this league is familiar with these concepts.
I'd love to see us do that more if I had any faith that our players would actually get to the QB before he identified the rush and hit his hot read
Yeah but some have preferences while others don't. Sure you but how? What formation? Do they show that formation during the game? How about if the defense already utilized that blitz in prior games and thus the offense prepares for it?
I am not sure the dynamic among defensive coaches in the game or booth since i was busy doing my stuff. However, also in game adjustments. You ask the defense, are they showing you what we went over in tape? Yes or No?
If no, then let's draw it up on the board. Let's adjust on the fly based on what you guys are saying and the coaches upstairs are saying.
They got there last night and did a good job, so Haslett looks good. Most other games, when they get burned on these and give up like 35 points.. he doesn't.
He's mostly doing this out of necessity. His DB's aren't very good in coverage for the most part.
Our defensive talent is in different spots than theirs and we run different alignments so it's not as easy as just saying "well, we can do that too" 3-4 blitzes are going to look different than 4-3 blitzes.
And to say we dont have the talent to do what the Redskins last night is absurd.
Watching the game last night I personally have no idea what Romo or the offensive linemen thought they were seeing. Romo was constantly audibling and changing things at the line and the Redskins were continuing to get to him before he could find any receivers.
From the TV and the announcers booth everyone could see the Redskins showing pressure on many many plays. They didn't always bring it, but they showed pressure a lot.
Romo was definitely confused and his OC didn't do anything to help him (like keep blockers in or have his backs and TEs chip/check and release every single play). At some point a competent OC would start going to quick-hitting short passes, a lot of runs, screens, and max protect. I can't understand why they played the way they did. IMO Bryant, Witten and Murray could easily beat whoever the Redskins assigned to cover them on a majority of plays if Romo was given some time.
If the Cowboys were bound and determined to play that way, Romo should have just chucked 50/50 passes to Dez every time he was under pressure. The Cowobys game plan sucked.
The Redskins game plan on defense was a Jim Haslett defense and should not have been surprising. That's not to say the blitzes weren't well designed or well executed, just that the Cowboys should not have been surprised by what they saw. This is what Haslett and the Redskins do and usually it doesn't work.
For the life of me, I can't figure out what Romo was seeing last night.
You get caught on a few early blitzs, ok.
But after that, why weren't they just running go routes with Bryant or their other WRs everytime WASH was selling out with the blitz?? Really weird.......they simply could not adjust which is bizarre considering the talent, and experience, Dallas has.
Good to know. As long as we get one good game out of our defense soon, we can just call it even and give Fewell all the credit.
I personally think this collection of talent with injuries factored in are just about average. I don't see many DC's turning this into a top 5 or even top 10 unit. I just don't see how. I think any way you slice it, this defense right now is going to be about average at best.
Fewell is average. So's Haslett, for that matter, and Marinelli. His unit might boast better numbers, but he's about to see better offenses and he just had 20 hung on him by the Redskins led by McCoy. If not for the fact that his offense does a spectacular job of keeping his defense off the field, we'd see their already pedestrian stats turn downhill fast.
I personally think this collection of talent with injuries factored in are just about average. I don't see many DC's turning this into a top 5 or even top 10 unit. I just don't see how. I think any way you slice it, this defense right now is going to be about average at best.
I think we are above average but not by munch. I also think our personnel is being utilized incorrectly. If we don't get a pass rush we are decidedly below average (like any other team) so, most importantly, Ayers and Moore need to take over LDE for Kiwi. I think a lot of good things can start from there and trickle to the back 7.
Good to know. As long as we get one good game out of our defense soon, we can just call it even and give Fewell all the credit.
I remember when Haslett was a genius allowing Cruz to complete a sideline 30 yard catch when only :07 were left and the Giants only option was to go to the sideline and get out of bounds before the half.
#imaginative
But I think you're a little dug in on Fewell at this point. I don't see how you can actually think that over the last couple of years he hasn't made a tremendous amount of errors. I never thought he was the right man for the job and I still don't.
I don't at all. His defense got healthy in 2011-12 and at that point we actually DID have the talent to be good and we shut down some of the best offenses in the league and won a Super Bowl. I also thought we had pretty solid personnel in 2010 and the results were good.
If Fewell were a defensive mastermind, he'd probably have a head coaching gig. But the man isn't incompetent. He's gotten good results when he's had good personnel. It wasn't a coincidence that the defense looked improved the second Beason and Hill took the places of inferior players. Yes, backup QB's.. I get it. But the defense played well regardless considering how ghastly the offense was and how many awful situations they put them in.
It's about health and talent, something that some are too stupid to comprehend..Amazing how how LeBeau has become somewhat pedestrian when not surrounded by yearly playmakers he has enjoyed for many,mmany years..Sort of the luxury Spags enjoyed in 2007, once they got in sync..
Arca, those who are reasonably aware of what it takes to run a unit know where you have ALWAYS been coming from