Colt fucking McCoy and the terrible Redskin defense just beat a team that smoked the Giants.
The soft, all-talk, loser bunch of pussies who call themselves the Giants had better make this count somehow and start winning football games, because they were shown up by a garbage team tonight.
In one of the articles they said 6 times we blitzed against Dallas. I think Raanan wrote it.
They never get home and when they do, our guys miss. It's amazing to see a team actually get home when they blitz.
We don't disguise our blitz very well. No stunts or moving players and fewell is a joke.
There was nothing overly complicated about what the Redskins did tonight. Gruden knew exactly when they were blitzing from the booth and you can bet Dallas did, too.
Blitzing doesn't have to be about confusing people. The point of a blitz is that you're rushing more men than the offense can block. That's it. It's a very simple concept.
You either get there or you don't. We aren't. The Redskins did tonight.
Jerry must have slipped his hands up Gingerballs asshole
what more can you ask for then the top half of your division to lose. Giants in a must-win situation in the next 4 games, gotta go 3-1 else the season is over.
I really hope they fixed some shit and some guys got healthy over the bye. Hopefully the extra day off helps too.
Except the Giants have played both the Eagles and Cowboys better on the road in recent years. I thought the way the schedule was set up actually worked to our advantage (potentially get the early division lead and put pressure on the other teams to beat us at home).
Disagree Eric. They were primed to get off to a good start following 0-6 last year. The schedule worked against them. No one - team, fans, media, etc - wanted to see another awful start.
The schedule is working against them. They go 7-2 the rest of the season and i'm fine with it. it's within reach but one game at a time. They have to hold serve at home against good teams - IND, SF, and DAL - and pummel the weak teams on the road - plus pull out two divisional wins at home.
It's not rocket science. It's there for the taking, imo.
is that Dallas-Washington are consistently close. While Washington doesn't like us or Philly, their major opponent is Dallas. There have been past seasons where Washington has sucked, yet beaten the Cowboys.
That said, only half a game ahead of the Redskins, who have a winnable game against the Vikings next. The next week is gonna be a pain in the neck.
Colt fucking McCoy and the terrible Redskin defense just beat a team that smoked the Giants.
The soft, all-talk, loser bunch of pussies who call themselves the Giants had better make this count somehow and start winning football games, because they were shown up by a garbage team tonight.
Except when the Giants played this terrible, garbage Redskins team, the Giants utterly annihilated them.
The NFL in 2014 is just week-to-week. You just can't get twisted into knots over it anymore. And it doesn't help that the Giants are without their top two slot receivers, top two nickel corners, their top running back, and now their starting Mike. And arguably our best CB is not near 100%.
Redskins defense seemed a lot faster than Giants D
Third and long is exactly where you want to drop your best pass rushers into coverage. If the 3 rushers Fewell sends don't get pressure that's not the scheme it's the lousy players that Reese drafts.
Football is a game of match ups. Did you see the redskins defense flying around bringing pressure? How often do we do that in our scheme
Eric: "The book" is out now on how to defend the Cowboys. If it continues to play out the same way over the next 3 weeks then Fewell better damn well ajust his scheme.
In one of the articles they said 6 times we blitzed against Dallas. I think Raanan wrote it.
They never get home and when they do, our guys miss. It's amazing to see a team actually get home when they blitz.
Yes, exactly.
If the blitzes aren't getting there, why is he going to keep sending them? All he's doing at that point is leaving DB's in man coverage and asking to give up a big play via a mismatch.
To me, this isn't about not wanting to blitz or being stubborn.. it's that we're literally creating a disadvantage for our defensive backfield by doing it.
Blitzing is great when you've got the speed to get there and impact the play. But if you don't you're just taking your own guys out of the play.
Or why not design them better? You know.. be creative or is that asking too much?
So in the mean time rely on the front 4, and fucking pray teams don't know how to sit in the zone and move the ball.
Let's see what happens when we run that shit against Luck. Did you see Blitzburgh knock around Luck?
That stupid cover 2 against Dallas. You have to blitz and play man. Redskins showed it today
We did blitz and play man. The blitzes never got there and the man coverage couldn't hold long enough and got exploited.
Look how fast the Redskin players were past the line and forcing Romo to take sacks or get rid of the ball. Our players take forever and when they do get through, they can't even get a hold of the QB.
We are lacking speed on the defensive side of the football. Especially at LB. Williams is the only guy with wheels.
The one player we have with elite speed in the back 7 is DRC and we're not going to blitz him.
Forget it. These guys have their favorite memes and they are just going to keep repeating them no matter what.
You are, of course, 100% correct.
Yeah because the Redskins were playing with elite speed out there. Old ass Ryan Clark and Merriweather who gets beat badly almost everyweek. Not to mention Breeland and his 4.6 40 time
I guess on paper, but anybody who has watched the Us knows we are not winning the division. It helps us on paper, it doesn't help us in reality.
uh, genius...even if the Gmen don't win the division, there is still something called the "Wild Card". The more the Eagles/Cowboys lose, the greater the possibility the Giants get one.
Uh genius, there are only two wild cards so unless you gave us beating SF and Seattle, we will lose out on a tiebreaker to them, we already lost to Detroit, there goes that tiebreaker when GB overtakes them. As I said, only way in unless we beat Seattle and SF is division and we are 1-2 against divison and 0-2 avainst teams above us. It helps on paper, but in reality we need to go 7-2 the rest of the way to have a legit shot. Not happening. Sorry if this is news to you.
-Jerrel Jernigan isn't a top two anything, other than maybe draft failure.
-Our starting Mike played like ass on the rare occasions he was on the field, and the Giants were the ones stupid enough to rely on a guy who is never healthy in the first place.
-if our offense falls to pieces when a journeyman RB misses a few games, we truly do sick.
You got that right.. Every time I watch another team I feel this way.. Arc, if the blitzes are not getting home, then someone is not doing their job right.. Plus like I said before that TD to Escobar against the Gaints is where Fewell needed to throw a blitz, he didn't and Romo had all the time in the world.
That stupid cover 2 against Dallas. You have to blitz and play man. Redskins showed it today
We did blitz and play man. The blitzes never got there and the man coverage couldn't hold long enough and got exploited.
Look how fast the Redskin players were past the line and forcing Romo to take sacks or get rid of the ball. Our players take forever and when they do get through, they can't even get a hold of the QB.
We are lacking speed on the defensive side of the football. Especially at LB. Williams is the only guy with wheels.
The one player we have with elite speed in the back 7 is DRC and we're not going to blitz him.
Forget it. These guys have their favorite memes and they are just going to keep repeating them no matter what.
You are, of course, 100% correct.
Yeah because the Redskins were playing with elite speed out there. Old ass Ryan Clark and Merriweather who gets beat badly almost everyweek. Not to mention Breeland and his 4.6 40 time
Did you watch the game tonight or no?
Those guys barely had to hold coverages tonight because all of the guys they were blitzing were pressuring the QB within 2 seconds.
Dallas couldn't run deep routes or deep enough drops to exploit those guys.
By the way, Breeland was fantastic tonight. I don't care what his 40 time is. That guy can play.
Colt fucking McCoy and the terrible Redskin defense just beat a team that smoked the Giants.
The soft, all-talk, loser bunch of pussies who call themselves the Giants had better make this count somehow and start winning football games, because they were shown up by a garbage team tonight.
Uh, the same garbage team we smoked not that long ago?
In one of the articles they said 6 times we blitzed against Dallas. I think Raanan wrote it.
They never get home and when they do, our guys miss. It's amazing to see a team actually get home when they blitz.
Yes, exactly.
If the blitzes aren't getting there, why is he going to keep sending them? All he's doing at that point is leaving DB's in man coverage and asking to give up a big play via a mismatch.
To me, this isn't about not wanting to blitz or being stubborn.. it's that we're literally creating a disadvantage for our defensive backfield by doing it.
Blitzing is great when you've got the speed to get there and impact the play. But if you don't you're just taking your own guys out of the play.
Or why not design them better? You know.. be creative or is that asking too much?
So in the mean time rely on the front 4, and fucking pray teams don't know how to sit in the zone and move the ball.
Let's see what happens when we run that shit against Luck. Did you see Blitzburgh knock around Luck?
I saw Luck throw for 400 yards and the Colts score 34 points.
Luck is a big dude. It doesn't matter how many times he got hit after a throw. He still made plays. He only got sacked twice.
PIT won the game because Indy's defense was even worse and Ben looked like he was playing Madden on rookie
Our CBs are vastly superior to the Redskins corners.
There is no legit reason why our defense played worse than the Skins tonight.
The Skins threw the kitchen sink at us and they couldn't stop us. 45 points.
Dallas stuffed our running game. 40 percent of our plays went for 2 yards or less.
And to compensate what the did they do? Blitz! Not sit back. Prince is good, and DRC is injury prone. It's not like we are loaded in the backfield.
So then what happens? We rush 4 and drop people back and rely on the front 4 to get home. When they don't teams easily pick apart out zone.
We got the ball out quick. Two different systems, hence football is a game of match ups. What the hell happened when we played the Eagles? They blitzed too.
We got fucked up because we ran passing concepts that different from all the previous games. And so against Dallas we reverted back to what we usually ran and perhaps became even more conservative with our game plan.
Football is a game of match ups. We didn't match up well against the Cowboys. They know this system and played damn well. They matched up and they won.
Our running game sucks now. We aren't run blocking well. That defense did a good job against us. This offense is still a work in progress. Add the fact we lack talent on offense and you get a work in progress that perhaps needs a year or two to get better.
League changes week to week. Somehow the Cowboys and Eagles falling to 6-2 is a slap in the face to the Giants? Were you expecting both teams to go 14-2 this season? Cowboys have done shit like this for 10 years. Tease their fans with delusions of grandeur, then watch Colt McCoy shove a Monday Nighter up their ass.
Great defensive game plan by Washington. Their game plan was to attack, attack, and attack at all cost. I'm sure they where tired of hearing how great that Cowboys offensive line was?! Way to fight till the end.. Hats off..
but there was an uncanny reliance and stubborness on trying to establish the run to open up the passing game.
Read anything about Bill Walsh and his WCO and he deemed the opposite to be true.
Philosophically, you can't have a traditional coach like TC either undermining, overriding, intimidating or influencing the OC to the point where the basic tenets of the offensive gameplan are compromised.
The Dallas game two weeks ago was an example of a difference in styles and philosophies on the offensive end more than a lack of execution.
In today's offensive-minded and shaded game there is no reason why the pass cannot open up the run. Particularly when you're relying on a rookie and an offensive line that was humiliated the week before.
I don't buy that Dallas and Philly are that much better. What i buy is that our coaching staff is stubborn and somewhat simplistic in their gameplanning. Neither of those traits can be in consideration during the present state of the NFL.
-Jerrel Jernigan isn't a top two anything, other than maybe draft failure.
-Our starting Mike played like ass on the rare occasions he was on the field, and the Giants were the ones stupid enough to rely on a guy who is never healthy in the first place.
-if our offense falls to pieces when a journeyman RB misses a few games, we truly do sick.
The Texans thought the journeyman RB was pretty good. And when Cruz is out, too, that has an effect.
Look, I happen to think the Giants will be 3-6 after 9. But that doesn't mean they will be. In fact, since 3-6 seems reasonable, it probably won't happen. Tonight's outcome helped them in the division race. I'll take it right now. The 7-7 Giants in 2011 looked like they were going nowhere fast, too.
Not sure how we don't match-up well against a Cowboys team that can't rush the passer, and had been giving up over 5 yards per carry. Dallas secondary?
On defensive side of the ball, we should be able to rush the passer better than the Skins, who lost their best pass rusher, Orakpo.
Yes, it's a game of match-ups but it is also a game of personnel.
Pretty sad when the Skins show up but we don't - especially since this is a team the Giants smoked.
The Giants-Cowboys game had playoff-type importance to the Giants.
You still need to get pressure on him. Those hits accumulate throughout the game. The fact Luck still got his numbers is a credit to him as a player. Doesn't mean you stop blitzing or get frustrated because he keeps making plays. The guy is a sick player. So you keep hitting him, and hope your D can make plays in key situations, like the pick 6.
Didn't they get a safety? I was switching around channels. Then you try to take adv. offensively which the Steelers did. If it was us we'd have a boner for balance and try running a lot more.
I don't see how a work in progress offense like ours can go toe to toe with Luck especially when we lack big plays, in terms of home run balls. We don't match up well against them
torching us and then getting shut down one 1 on 1 coverage by a rookie CB. Bad game? Over-confident? That was a big differene in Dallas beating the Giants and losing to the Skins.
Not sure how we don't match-up well against a Cowboys team that can't rush the passer, and had been giving up over 5 yards per carry. Dallas secondary?
"On defensive side of the ball, we should be able to rush the passer better than the Skins, who lost their best pass rusher, Orakpo.
Yes, it's a game of match-ups but it is also a game of personnel.
Pretty sad when the Skins show up but we don't - especially since this is a team the Giants smoked.
The Giants-Cowboys game had playoff-type importance to the Giants"
Exactly.. I don't think it could have been said better period.
You still need to get pressure on him. Those hits accumulate throughout the game. The fact Luck still got his numbers is a credit to him as a player. Doesn't mean you stop blitzing or get frustrated because he keeps making plays. The guy is a sick player. So you keep hitting him, and hope your D can make plays in key situations, like the pick 6.
Didn't they get a safety? I was switching around channels. Then you try to take adv. offensively which the Steelers did. If it was us we'd have a boner for balance and try running a lot more.
I don't see how a work in progress offense like ours can go toe to toe with Luck especially when we lack big plays, in terms of home run balls. We don't match up well against them
They got a safety but it was because Luck got called for intentional grounding in the endzone.
I mean, the Steelers gave up 448 yards of offense in that game. People wouldn't care if we gave up 34 points and 448 yards as long as we just kept blitzing on every down?
That game looked like a scrimmage. There was over 1,000 yards of total offense allowed by those two teams combined.
I just don't see good blitzers on this defense and I think that matters. I don't think each guy is equally suited to blitz. To me, it's not just if you send a guy he should get there. Some guys are much better at it than others... especially faster players. We really don't have much speed at all at the LB position which makes it a lot harder. Demps is relatively fast so Fewell tried to send him and he completely whiffed on Romo when he got through.
I don't see the sense in continuing to blitz if you've got a slow front that don't get there. It just opens up more downfield.
how the fuck was that not a hold in the endzone at the end
of regulation? The Skins rusher gets hooked and turned around in the endzone...it can't get any more blatant. Should've been a safety. Then the Skins miss on an INT right through the guy's hands in regulation and then another INT on the last play of OT.
RE: great...I guess we'll be tied for bottom of the NFC East
the Skins did their film and recognized Romo's signature move of spinning oppo play side to avoid the sack.
Meanwhile, the Giants blitz and run like Frank the Tank's Nude Run in Old School without bothering to breakdown their feet, settle their pads and play the tendency. He spins out and makes a play against Fewell's clownshow.
Not sure how we don't match-up well against a Cowboys team that can't rush the passer, and had been giving up over 5 yards per carry. Dallas secondary?
On defensive side of the ball, we should be able to rush the passer better than the Skins, who lost their best pass rusher, Orakpo.
Yes, it's a game of match-ups but it is also a game of personnel.
Pretty sad when the Skins show up but we don't - especially since this is a team the Giants smoked.
The Giants-Cowboys game had playoff-type importance to the Giants.
Is there something wrong with the quoting feature? It looks different then before..
No, but they stopped the run which was big. They did try blitzing. But we got the ball out quickly and went back to the passing concepts we used in previous games. So even if they did rush the passer well, I expected changes from the Eagles game.
Our OL still isn't good and you saw stupid penalties that put us in god awful down and distances. It's funny, I saw their defense barely knew anyone on it. I was hoping we could run it for once. However, match ups. They did a hell of a job matching up their front vs our OL. They stopped us.
You have seen the Perry Fewell defense. Like the Gilbride offense it's boom or bust. When it's on we get all sorts of pass rush that translates into sacks, and pressures that result in turnovers, which by the way is a key aspect of Perry Fewells defense.
However, when we go Bust, this defensive line doesn't get pressure. And so we do things like rush 3, in hopes of having more players to fill the various passing zones, theory being our defenders can make plays because more of them are in their zone then players running routes. However, that usually doesn't work.
QBs have ran for the first down, or scrambled and utilized scramble rules initiated by the WRs to make plays. That's what Pittsburgh did yesterday. I agree it's about personnel as well and both sides are weak. This team is not that good Eric.
So in the meantime what do we do? Can we out scheme teams? Can we add tendency breakers we haven't shown yet now after the BYE week?
I want to see how teams play us on both sides of the ball specifically on defense against our offense now that more tape is available. Can we add blitzes or design them different so they can get home? The Redskins may have shitty talent but some of their blitzes were damn good.
When we get home our fucking players miss the QB. How many games before we fix that?
Uh genius, there are only two wild cards so unless you gave us beating SF and Seattle, we will lose out on a tiebreaker to them, we already lost to Detroit, there goes that tiebreaker when GB overtakes them. As I said, only way in unless we beat Seattle and SF is division and we are 1-2 against divison and 0-2 avainst teams above us. It helps on paper, but in reality we need to go 7-2 the rest of the way to have a legit shot. Not happening. Sorry if this is news to you.
How is this difficult to understand? It's week 8. Lots of football left to play. Every loss by a divisional opponent helps the Giants.
Also, Seattle and SF do not look unbeatable in the slightest this season. Have you watched any of their games?
after next Monday...at least the Cowpukes and Eagirls lost.
WTF? Really?
Yes. If we continue to do what we did the last 2 weeks. Play absolutely shitless scared football. I can live with our offense playing conservative, but our defense being agressive. I can live with our offense throwing bombs like they just don't give a fuck, with our defense playing bend AND break. What I can't stand is scared fucking football on both sides of the ball.
The soft, all-talk, loser bunch of pussies who call themselves the Giants had better make this count somehow and start winning football games, because they were shown up by a garbage team tonight.
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In one of the articles they said 6 times we blitzed against Dallas. I think Raanan wrote it.
They never get home and when they do, our guys miss. It's amazing to see a team actually get home when they blitz.
We don't disguise our blitz very well. No stunts or moving players and fewell is a joke.
There was nothing overly complicated about what the Redskins did tonight. Gruden knew exactly when they were blitzing from the booth and you can bet Dallas did, too.
Blitzing doesn't have to be about confusing people. The point of a blitz is that you're rushing more men than the offense can block. That's it. It's a very simple concept.
You either get there or you don't. We aren't. The Redskins did tonight.
I really hope they fixed some shit and some guys got healthy over the bye. Hopefully the extra day off helps too.
After AZ they have 5 of last 7 away. 2 home games are Ind & Phi
Moot if the Giants dont win next week
Arizona May be physical but their pass rush blows. Not sure how much you watched of them.
This weekend was a pretty good slap in the face to the Giants as a franchise.
We have a VERY good QB playing at a high level right now.
Yet we've scored 21 points in two weeks. And our defense is getting out-played by defensively weak NFC East teams.
Eric from BBI,
Football is a game of match ups. Did you see the redskins defense flying around bringing pressure? How often do we do that in our scheme
Disagree Eric. They were primed to get off to a good start following 0-6 last year. The schedule worked against them. No one - team, fans, media, etc - wanted to see another awful start.
The schedule is working against them. They go 7-2 the rest of the season and i'm fine with it. it's within reach but one game at a time. They have to hold serve at home against good teams - IND, SF, and DAL - and pummel the weak teams on the road - plus pull out two divisional wins at home.
It's not rocket science. It's there for the taking, imo.
This weekend couldn't have been better.
That said, only half a game ahead of the Redskins, who have a winnable game against the Vikings next. The next week is gonna be a pain in the neck.
The soft, all-talk, loser bunch of pussies who call themselves the Giants had better make this count somehow and start winning football games, because they were shown up by a garbage team tonight.
Except when the Giants played this terrible, garbage Redskins team, the Giants utterly annihilated them.
The NFL in 2014 is just week-to-week. You just can't get twisted into knots over it anymore. And it doesn't help that the Giants are without their top two slot receivers, top two nickel corners, their top running back, and now their starting Mike. And arguably our best CB is not near 100%.
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And what did we do to the Skins defense?
Eric from BBI,
Football is a game of match ups. Did you see the redskins defense flying around bringing pressure? How often do we do that in our scheme
Eric: "The book" is out now on how to defend the Cowboys. If it continues to play out the same way over the next 3 weeks then Fewell better damn well ajust his scheme.
There is no legit reason why our defense played worse than the Skins tonight.
The Skins threw the kitchen sink at us and they couldn't stop us. 45 points.
Dallas stuffed our running game. 40 percent of our plays went for 2 yards or less.
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In one of the articles they said 6 times we blitzed against Dallas. I think Raanan wrote it.
They never get home and when they do, our guys miss. It's amazing to see a team actually get home when they blitz.
Yes, exactly.
If the blitzes aren't getting there, why is he going to keep sending them? All he's doing at that point is leaving DB's in man coverage and asking to give up a big play via a mismatch.
To me, this isn't about not wanting to blitz or being stubborn.. it's that we're literally creating a disadvantage for our defensive backfield by doing it.
Blitzing is great when you've got the speed to get there and impact the play. But if you don't you're just taking your own guys out of the play.
Or why not design them better? You know.. be creative or is that asking too much?
So in the mean time rely on the front 4, and fucking pray teams don't know how to sit in the zone and move the ball.
Let's see what happens when we run that shit against Luck. Did you see Blitzburgh knock around Luck?
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That stupid cover 2 against Dallas. You have to blitz and play man. Redskins showed it today
We did blitz and play man. The blitzes never got there and the man coverage couldn't hold long enough and got exploited.
Look how fast the Redskin players were past the line and forcing Romo to take sacks or get rid of the ball. Our players take forever and when they do get through, they can't even get a hold of the QB.
We are lacking speed on the defensive side of the football. Especially at LB. Williams is the only guy with wheels.
The one player we have with elite speed in the back 7 is DRC and we're not going to blitz him.
Forget it. These guys have their favorite memes and they are just going to keep repeating them no matter what.
You are, of course, 100% correct.
Yeah because the Redskins were playing with elite speed out there. Old ass Ryan Clark and Merriweather who gets beat badly almost everyweek. Not to mention Breeland and his 4.6 40 time
We absolutely shredded the Redskins defense and Dallas could barely figure them out. It's just one giant game of chess and adjustments.
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I guess on paper, but anybody who has watched the Us knows we are not winning the division. It helps us on paper, it doesn't help us in reality.
uh, genius...even if the Gmen don't win the division, there is still something called the "Wild Card". The more the Eagles/Cowboys lose, the greater the possibility the Giants get one.
Uh genius, there are only two wild cards so unless you gave us beating SF and Seattle, we will lose out on a tiebreaker to them, we already lost to Detroit, there goes that tiebreaker when GB overtakes them. As I said, only way in unless we beat Seattle and SF is division and we are 1-2 against divison and 0-2 avainst teams above us. It helps on paper, but in reality we need to go 7-2 the rest of the way to have a legit shot. Not happening. Sorry if this is news to you.
-Our starting Mike played like ass on the rare occasions he was on the field, and the Giants were the ones stupid enough to rely on a guy who is never healthy in the first place.
-if our offense falls to pieces when a journeyman RB misses a few games, we truly do sick.
You got that right.. Every time I watch another team I feel this way.. Arc, if the blitzes are not getting home, then someone is not doing their job right.. Plus like I said before that TD to Escobar against the Gaints is where Fewell needed to throw a blitz, he didn't and Romo had all the time in the world.
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That stupid cover 2 against Dallas. You have to blitz and play man. Redskins showed it today
We did blitz and play man. The blitzes never got there and the man coverage couldn't hold long enough and got exploited.
Look how fast the Redskin players were past the line and forcing Romo to take sacks or get rid of the ball. Our players take forever and when they do get through, they can't even get a hold of the QB.
We are lacking speed on the defensive side of the football. Especially at LB. Williams is the only guy with wheels.
The one player we have with elite speed in the back 7 is DRC and we're not going to blitz him.
Forget it. These guys have their favorite memes and they are just going to keep repeating them no matter what.
You are, of course, 100% correct.
Yeah because the Redskins were playing with elite speed out there. Old ass Ryan Clark and Merriweather who gets beat badly almost everyweek. Not to mention Breeland and his 4.6 40 time
Did you watch the game tonight or no?
Those guys barely had to hold coverages tonight because all of the guys they were blitzing were pressuring the QB within 2 seconds.
Dallas couldn't run deep routes or deep enough drops to exploit those guys.
By the way, Breeland was fantastic tonight. I don't care what his 40 time is. That guy can play.
It is what it is.
A great weekend for the Jints.
Enjoy it.
Greg's pissed because he hates the Redskins more than he likes the Giants.
Makes it twice as nice for me, Jints benefit and Greg's pissed. Shit, I might dress up as an Indian for Halloween.
Have a nice night, lol...
The soft, all-talk, loser bunch of pussies who call themselves the Giants had better make this count somehow and start winning football games, because they were shown up by a garbage team tonight.
Uh, the same garbage team we smoked not that long ago?
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In one of the articles they said 6 times we blitzed against Dallas. I think Raanan wrote it.
They never get home and when they do, our guys miss. It's amazing to see a team actually get home when they blitz.
Yes, exactly.
If the blitzes aren't getting there, why is he going to keep sending them? All he's doing at that point is leaving DB's in man coverage and asking to give up a big play via a mismatch.
To me, this isn't about not wanting to blitz or being stubborn.. it's that we're literally creating a disadvantage for our defensive backfield by doing it.
Blitzing is great when you've got the speed to get there and impact the play. But if you don't you're just taking your own guys out of the play.
Or why not design them better? You know.. be creative or is that asking too much?
So in the mean time rely on the front 4, and fucking pray teams don't know how to sit in the zone and move the ball.
Let's see what happens when we run that shit against Luck. Did you see Blitzburgh knock around Luck?
I saw Luck throw for 400 yards and the Colts score 34 points.
Luck is a big dude. It doesn't matter how many times he got hit after a throw. He still made plays. He only got sacked twice.
PIT won the game because Indy's defense was even worse and Ben looked like he was playing Madden on rookie
There is no legit reason why our defense played worse than the Skins tonight.
The Skins threw the kitchen sink at us and they couldn't stop us. 45 points.
Dallas stuffed our running game. 40 percent of our plays went for 2 yards or less.
And to compensate what the did they do? Blitz! Not sit back. Prince is good, and DRC is injury prone. It's not like we are loaded in the backfield.
So then what happens? We rush 4 and drop people back and rely on the front 4 to get home. When they don't teams easily pick apart out zone.
We got the ball out quick. Two different systems, hence football is a game of match ups. What the hell happened when we played the Eagles? They blitzed too.
We got fucked up because we ran passing concepts that different from all the previous games. And so against Dallas we reverted back to what we usually ran and perhaps became even more conservative with our game plan.
Football is a game of match ups. We didn't match up well against the Cowboys. They know this system and played damn well. They matched up and they won.
Our running game sucks now. We aren't run blocking well. That defense did a good job against us. This offense is still a work in progress. Add the fact we lack talent on offense and you get a work in progress that perhaps needs a year or two to get better.
Read anything about Bill Walsh and his WCO and he deemed the opposite to be true.
Philosophically, you can't have a traditional coach like TC either undermining, overriding, intimidating or influencing the OC to the point where the basic tenets of the offensive gameplan are compromised.
The Dallas game two weeks ago was an example of a difference in styles and philosophies on the offensive end more than a lack of execution.
In today's offensive-minded and shaded game there is no reason why the pass cannot open up the run. Particularly when you're relying on a rookie and an offensive line that was humiliated the week before.
I don't buy that Dallas and Philly are that much better. What i buy is that our coaching staff is stubborn and somewhat simplistic in their gameplanning. Neither of those traits can be in consideration during the present state of the NFL.
-Our starting Mike played like ass on the rare occasions he was on the field, and the Giants were the ones stupid enough to rely on a guy who is never healthy in the first place.
-if our offense falls to pieces when a journeyman RB misses a few games, we truly do sick.
The Texans thought the journeyman RB was pretty good. And when Cruz is out, too, that has an effect.
Look, I happen to think the Giants will be 3-6 after 9. But that doesn't mean they will be. In fact, since 3-6 seems reasonable, it probably won't happen. Tonight's outcome helped them in the division race. I'll take it right now. The 7-7 Giants in 2011 looked like they were going nowhere fast, too.
On defensive side of the ball, we should be able to rush the passer better than the Skins, who lost their best pass rusher, Orakpo.
Yes, it's a game of match-ups but it is also a game of personnel.
Pretty sad when the Skins show up but we don't - especially since this is a team the Giants smoked.
The Giants-Cowboys game had playoff-type importance to the Giants.
You still need to get pressure on him. Those hits accumulate throughout the game. The fact Luck still got his numbers is a credit to him as a player. Doesn't mean you stop blitzing or get frustrated because he keeps making plays. The guy is a sick player. So you keep hitting him, and hope your D can make plays in key situations, like the pick 6.
Didn't they get a safety? I was switching around channels. Then you try to take adv. offensively which the Steelers did. If it was us we'd have a boner for balance and try running a lot more.
I don't see how a work in progress offense like ours can go toe to toe with Luck especially when we lack big plays, in terms of home run balls. We don't match up well against them
Just gear up and get ready for the big game next week, brothers.
The Giants have flashed and then had setbacks. Let's go O-LINE.
Make it happen!
"On defensive side of the ball, we should be able to rush the passer better than the Skins, who lost their best pass rusher, Orakpo.
Yes, it's a game of match-ups but it is also a game of personnel.
Pretty sad when the Skins show up but we don't - especially since this is a team the Giants smoked.
The Giants-Cowboys game had playoff-type importance to the Giants"
Exactly.. I don't think it could have been said better period.
You still need to get pressure on him. Those hits accumulate throughout the game. The fact Luck still got his numbers is a credit to him as a player. Doesn't mean you stop blitzing or get frustrated because he keeps making plays. The guy is a sick player. So you keep hitting him, and hope your D can make plays in key situations, like the pick 6.
Didn't they get a safety? I was switching around channels. Then you try to take adv. offensively which the Steelers did. If it was us we'd have a boner for balance and try running a lot more.
I don't see how a work in progress offense like ours can go toe to toe with Luck especially when we lack big plays, in terms of home run balls. We don't match up well against them
They got a safety but it was because Luck got called for intentional grounding in the endzone.
I mean, the Steelers gave up 448 yards of offense in that game. People wouldn't care if we gave up 34 points and 448 yards as long as we just kept blitzing on every down?
That game looked like a scrimmage. There was over 1,000 yards of total offense allowed by those two teams combined.
I just don't see good blitzers on this defense and I think that matters. I don't think each guy is equally suited to blitz. To me, it's not just if you send a guy he should get there. Some guys are much better at it than others... especially faster players. We really don't have much speed at all at the LB position which makes it a lot harder. Demps is relatively fast so Fewell tried to send him and he completely whiffed on Romo when he got through.
I don't see the sense in continuing to blitz if you've got a slow front that don't get there. It just opens up more downfield.
WTF? Really?
Meanwhile, the Giants blitz and run like Frank the Tank's Nude Run in Old School without bothering to breakdown their feet, settle their pads and play the tendency. He spins out and makes a play against Fewell's clownshow.
It's child's play really.
Have fun getting up tomorrow morning Tony.
On defensive side of the ball, we should be able to rush the passer better than the Skins, who lost their best pass rusher, Orakpo.
Yes, it's a game of match-ups but it is also a game of personnel.
Pretty sad when the Skins show up but we don't - especially since this is a team the Giants smoked.
The Giants-Cowboys game had playoff-type importance to the Giants.
Is there something wrong with the quoting feature? It looks different then before..
No, but they stopped the run which was big. They did try blitzing. But we got the ball out quickly and went back to the passing concepts we used in previous games. So even if they did rush the passer well, I expected changes from the Eagles game.
Our OL still isn't good and you saw stupid penalties that put us in god awful down and distances. It's funny, I saw their defense barely knew anyone on it. I was hoping we could run it for once. However, match ups. They did a hell of a job matching up their front vs our OL. They stopped us.
You have seen the Perry Fewell defense. Like the Gilbride offense it's boom or bust. When it's on we get all sorts of pass rush that translates into sacks, and pressures that result in turnovers, which by the way is a key aspect of Perry Fewells defense.
However, when we go Bust, this defensive line doesn't get pressure. And so we do things like rush 3, in hopes of having more players to fill the various passing zones, theory being our defenders can make plays because more of them are in their zone then players running routes. However, that usually doesn't work.
QBs have ran for the first down, or scrambled and utilized scramble rules initiated by the WRs to make plays. That's what Pittsburgh did yesterday. I agree it's about personnel as well and both sides are weak. This team is not that good Eric.
So in the meantime what do we do? Can we out scheme teams? Can we add tendency breakers we haven't shown yet now after the BYE week?
I want to see how teams play us on both sides of the ball specifically on defense against our offense now that more tape is available. Can we add blitzes or design them different so they can get home? The Redskins may have shitty talent but some of their blitzes were damn good.
When we get home our fucking players miss the QB. How many games before we fix that?
How is this difficult to understand? It's week 8. Lots of football left to play. Every loss by a divisional opponent helps the Giants.
Also, Seattle and SF do not look unbeatable in the slightest this season. Have you watched any of their games?
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after next Monday...at least the Cowpukes and Eagirls lost.
WTF? Really?
Yes. If we continue to do what we did the last 2 weeks. Play absolutely shitless scared football. I can live with our offense playing conservative, but our defense being agressive. I can live with our offense throwing bombs like they just don't give a fuck, with our defense playing bend AND break. What I can't stand is scared fucking football on both sides of the ball.