What I would vote for: Mississippi State, FSU, TCU, Auburn (that LSU win is the best win any one-loss SEC team has, and the Kansas State win is probably the best OOC scalp among those teams).
But what do I expect to see? Mississippi State, FSU, (pick your favorite one-loss SEC West team), Oregon.
runs the table I think they are a very safe bet to get in, because everyone seems to be "excusing" their home loss to Arizona somehow as a result of their LT not playing. Everyone has to deal with injuries, if its not to your QB it should not be excused.
runs the table I think they are a very safe bet to get in, because everyone seems to be "excusing" their home loss to Arizona somehow as a result of their LT not playing. Everyone has to deal with injuries, if its not to your QB it should not be excused.
I wouldn't excuse it, but as far as losses go, that's not a bad one. Arizona is legit. I would not be surprised to see that team run the table in the Pac-12 South.
I think the problem for Notre Dame is going to be that they probably fall behind one-loss champions from each of the SEC / Big XII, plus Oregon. If FSU runs the table, ND really needs to root for one of those conferences to cannibalize itself, or at least for the Pac-12 to produce a champion that's not Oregon (preferably with two losses - if Arizona runs the table and ends up with a whole bunch of quality wins, two wins over Oregon, and only that two-point loss to USC... that's not good for ND). There are plenty of viable routes, but ND needs a little bit of help.
But CFB is crazy. I think ND will get the help. Just gotta keep winning games.
I'd absolutely put a team that survives that schedule over ND based on resume, and that's as an ND fan who desperately wants to see them get into the top 4. TCU is really, really good, as is K-State, as is Baylor. YMMV though.
They have such a huge advantage by not having to play a conference championship game. While teams from all the power conferences have to fight for their lives ND can sit around waiting for the top teams to lose.
the Big 10 teams really have to fight for their lives. Take a look at Ohio State's and Michigan State's schedules year in and year out and tell me how they have to fight for their lives
best win is Nebraska, who needed a ridiculous play from Abdullah to beat McNeese State at home. Fucking comical.
Although you could argue ND's best win is Stanford, and despite the loss to FSU, they've beaten nobody who is any good and Nebraska might be better than Stanford. That being said I think ND should be ranked higher.
But ND's wins are
Rice
Michigan (who is atrocious this year)
Purdue
Syracuse
Stanford (three losses)
UNC
Normally that looks like a good resume but with Michigan terrible and Stanford with 3 losses, it really isn't impressive when you look at what other teams have done
Is the SEC love. How can all the top teams be from the SEC? I mean come on why does anyine play the game anymore the national champion is an SEC team they already play in the playoffs.... Fuck that. Any other conferences bottom feeders beat their top teams they are dogshit as a total overall conference. If it happens in the SEC it shows depth. Fuck off!
does not have a great resume but it's better than Michigan State's. SOS is better, their best win is just as good, Nebraska is the most overrated team in that entire ranking, look at who they've beaten and who they have struggled with. They lost by 20 at Oregon, and ND lost on the last play at FSU. Quality of loss should be taken into consideration.
ND is going to need Arizona State to beat Utah this weekend and then they need to really make a statement in the desert next saturday night.
is a quality team than so is Stanford. Let me repeat, Nebraska has beaten no one and needed a miracle play from Abdullah to beat McNeese State at home.
Oregon had a good win at UCLA, according to committee leader.
does not have a great resume but it's better than Michigan State's. SOS is better, their best win is just as good, Nebraska is the most overrated team in that entire ranking, look at who they've beaten and who they have struggled with. They lost by 20 at Oregon, and ND lost on the last play at FSU. Quality of loss should be taken into consideration.
ND is going to need Arizona State to beat Utah this weekend and then they need to really make a statement in the desert next saturday night.
I think ND and MSU have equal resumes but their resume isn't any better than any of the other teams ranked above them
They have such a huge advantage by not having to play a conference championship game. While teams from all the power conferences have to fight for their lives ND can sit around waiting for the top teams to lose.
Yeah fuck that. It is the greedy conferences that choose to have a conference championship game. For MONEY. Yet they whine incessantly when one of their teams lose in that championship game. They want the credit for the wins, but don't want to be penalized for the losses. It's bullshit. They chose to have the game to make cash, yet they don't want to deal with the consequences. Must be nice
ND played one decent team and they lost on the last play of the game.
Outside of those 2 games, their resumes are the same. Put Nebraska on a neutral field against Stanford and I'd bet a lot of money Stanford is favored in vegas
clear that ND got zero credit for the way they played at FSU despite FSU not losing a game since 2012 and never even being threatened besides in the BCS title game with Winston at QB. So if thats the case go Louisville on Thursday
considering they play a tougher schedule every single year than the Big 10 teams do. The Big 10 is pitiful
But they don't play a tougher schedule than the good teams in the other conferences. The only reason why they play a tougher schedule than the B1G is because the B1G has never been weaker.
ND's strength of schedule is historically overrated too considering the fact they always play at least one service academy every year
if ND beats Louisville, ASU, and USC and the SEC teams beat up each other, which will happen. They will get in. The one team to worry about is TCU. I see the final 4 being...
considering they play a tougher schedule every single year than the Big 10 teams do. The Big 10 is pitiful
But they don't play a tougher schedule than the good teams in the other conferences. The only reason why they play a tougher schedule than the B1G is because the B1G has never been weaker.
ND's strength of schedule is historically overrated too considering the fact they always play at least one service academy every year
Thats complete bullshit dpinzow. Pre-season schedule rankings had ND as the #1 SOS in the country. They schedule difficult games every single year, the Big 10 never schedules difficult games. This year ND has been hurt by Stanford finally taking a step back, Michigan being a train wreck, USC who was top 10 pre-season losing a few times.
And lol at the schedule being overrated because of playing a service academy. Which is more difficult, a service academy or Akron? A service academy or McNeese State?
Before the year everyone pointed to how difficult ND's schedule was. Because of things outside of their control it has not been nearly as difficult as people once thought.
No one ever goes into a season and says "wow look how tough the schedule is of that team in the big 10".
considering they play a tougher schedule every single year than the Big 10 teams do. The Big 10 is pitiful
But they don't play a tougher schedule than the good teams in the other conferences. The only reason why they play a tougher schedule than the B1G is because the B1G has never been weaker.
ND's strength of schedule is historically overrated too considering the fact they always play at least one service academy every year
Thats complete bullshit dpinzow. Pre-season schedule rankings had ND as the #1 SOS in the country. They schedule difficult games every single year, the Big 10 never schedules difficult games. This year ND has been hurt by Stanford finally taking a step back, Michigan being a train wreck, USC who was top 10 pre-season losing a few times.
And lol at the schedule being overrated because of playing a service academy. Which is more difficult, a service academy or Akron? A service academy or McNeese State?
Before the year everyone pointed to how difficult ND's schedule was. Because of things outside of their control it has not been nearly as difficult as people once thought.
No one ever goes into a season and says "wow look how tough the schedule is of that team in the big 10".
That's true about the B1G but not for the other conferences. I think you constantly overrate ND's sked because you can't see the forest for the trees as a blinkered domer
is it gives teams from all of the "inferior" conferences, aka conferences not named SEC, a chance to prove that they are just as good. So, how exactly can they do that if the committee simply loads up on SEC teams? You put 3 SEC teams in the final four, of course one of them will win, and we'll have to listen to how great the SEC is. This is supposed to be a level playing field.
ND's schedule this year at all. It has turned out to be relatively easy to this point, but that was out of their control. You can't say they scheduled easy and in the pre-season talk about how difficult their schedule was, it has turned out to be easy but not because they didn't try to get a difficult schedule, it was just the perfect storm of teams that people thought were going to be really good all of a sudden sucking.
Some before the year thought it was one of the most difficult schedules they've ever seen.
The Big 10, year in and year out for the last decade, has played one joke schedule after another. And everyone knows it before the year.
Think Nebraska only has 1 loss if they played USC's schedule, or Stanford's schedule?
the Big 10 constantly scehdules tough out of conference games.
Purdue/Michigan/Michigan State were constant opponents of ND.
Michigan has played Va Tech, Bama, Utah in recent years.
Sparty played Oregon this year.
Ohio St schduled Va Tech (granted they are horrible this year)
Nebraska has played UCLA the last few years.
You only get a few non conference games, and you arent going to load up every non conference games with power houses. ANd also the Big 10 has played other teams like Cincy, Syracuse, BC who tend to be up and down depending when the game contracts are signed.
but please explain to me how it's OK for MSU to schedule Wyoming, Eastern Michigan, and Jacksonville State 3 of their first 4 games. Those teams are pitiful. And those types of games are scheduled in the Big 10 on a regular basis. You want one game like that, go ahead. 3 in one year, get the fuck out of here, especially with how bad the conference is
They'll have a win at Oklahoma, a blowout over Ok. St, a win at West Virginia (who suddenly looks pretty good) and a win against K. State
The top teams in the Big 12, SEC and Pac-12 all play tougher schedules in conference than ND does as an independent on an almost annual basis. It used to be that way too for the Big 10 when OSU, Michigan and PSU were national powers
were to ever join the B10, which obviously isn't going to happen, their schedule would get easier nearly every year than it is right now. So if you're going to keep ND out because they aren't in conference, then keep the entire b10 out too
but please explain to me how it's OK for MSU to schedule Wyoming, Eastern Michigan, and Jacksonville State 3 of their first 4 games. Those teams are pitiful. And those types of games are scheduled in the Big 10 on a regular basis. You want one game like that, go ahead. 3 in one year, get the fuck out of here, especially with how bad the conference is
Maybe because they ended their contract with ND and they needed to pick up a game. You know as well as anyone a lot of these teams they play have contracts from years ago. If took out Jacksonville State for example and threw in ND - how legit is their non conference games?
were to ever join the B10, which obviously isn't going to happen, their schedule would get easier nearly every year than it is right now. So if you're going to keep ND out because they aren't in conference, then keep the entire b10 out too
It would be easier because they probably would play 2 cupcakes (Navy and lets say Army) with two tougher rival-type games (lets just say USC and Stanford). And no matter what conference you go to, there are always 3-4 shit teams. Just so happens the big 10 has more the last few years than usual.
were to ever join the B10, which obviously isn't going to happen, their schedule would get easier nearly every year than it is right now. So if you're going to keep ND out because they aren't in conference, then keep the entire b10 out too
That's because the Big 10 is historically down. Put ND in the Big 10 between 1994 and the Kelly era and they'd get slaughtered. I think part of why ND switched to an ACC-heavy schedule is because they think the ACC is stronger than the Big 10. By getting away with playing a pseudo-ACC conference schedule they can front as a national power
They'll have a win at Oklahoma, a blowout over Ok. St, a win at West Virginia (who suddenly looks pretty good) and a win against K. State
The top teams in the Big 12, SEC and Pac-12 all play tougher schedules in conference than ND does as an independent on an almost annual basis. It used to be that way too for the Big 10 when OSU, Michigan and PSU were national powers
That's bullshit, and the strength of schedule numbers at the end of the year prove that.
For instance last year, using Sagarin schedule ranks, here is where ND finished relative to the top 10 teams in 2013.
They'll have a win at Oklahoma, a blowout over Ok. St, a win at West Virginia (who suddenly looks pretty good) and a win against K. State
The top teams in the Big 12, SEC and Pac-12 all play tougher schedules in conference than ND does as an independent on an almost annual basis. It used to be that way too for the Big 10 when OSU, Michigan and PSU were national powers
That's bullshit, and the strength of schedule numbers at the end of the year prove that.
For instance last year, using Sagarin schedule ranks, here is where ND finished relative to the top 10 teams in 2013.
So again, they had a SOS tougher than 4 of the top 10 teams, and very close with Bama and LSU.
2011- ND was ranked 25th. of the teams in the top 10, they had a tougher schedule than 5 of them.
2010- 21st. Of the teams in the top 10, tougher than 4.
Not sure where you're getting your information from, but it's not correct.
All you proved with that gibberish is ND plays a decent, but not mind-blowing schedule. When you say that 6 of the top 10 teams in the last two years played a tougher or equivalent schedule to ND you undermined your own point.
were to ever join the B10, which obviously isn't going to happen, their schedule would get easier nearly every year than it is right now. So if you're going to keep ND out because they aren't in conference, then keep the entire b10 out too
That's because the Big 10 is historically down. Put ND in the Big 10 between 1994 and the Kelly era and they'd get slaughtered. I think part of why ND switched to an ACC-heavy schedule is because they think the ACC is stronger than the Big 10. By getting away with playing a pseudo-ACC conference schedule they can front as a national power
ACC's SOS recently has been pathetic, so playing 5 teams from the ACC may actually hurt them rather than help them. ND has been in the top 3 as far as SOS goes since Kelly got there, they are not playing an easy schedule by any means. Even this year while it wont be a tough schedule it will not be B10 level or ACC level easy, either.
Also, according to Sagarin ratings, ND's SOS is tougher than both Baylor and TCU.
They'll have a win at Oklahoma, a blowout over Ok. St, a win at West Virginia (who suddenly looks pretty good) and a win against K. State
The top teams in the Big 12, SEC and Pac-12 all play tougher schedules in conference than ND does as an independent on an almost annual basis. It used to be that way too for the Big 10 when OSU, Michigan and PSU were national powers
That's bullshit, and the strength of schedule numbers at the end of the year prove that.
For instance last year, using Sagarin schedule ranks, here is where ND finished relative to the top 10 teams in 2013.
So again, they had a SOS tougher than 4 of the top 10 teams, and very close with Bama and LSU.
2011- ND was ranked 25th. of the teams in the top 10, they had a tougher schedule than 5 of them.
2010- 21st. Of the teams in the top 10, tougher than 4.
Not sure where you're getting your information from, but it's not correct.
All you proved with that gibberish is ND plays a decent, but not mind-blowing schedule. When you say that 6 of the top 10 teams in the last two years played a tougher or equivalent schedule to ND you undermined your own point.
Your words right here.
The top teams in the Big 12, SEC and Pac-12 all play tougher schedules in conference than ND does as an independent on an almost annual basis. It used to be that way too for the Big 10 when OSU, Michigan and PSU were national powers
In other words, what you said right above is complete bullshit. If they have a tougher schedule than just about half of the top 10 teams every year, then how exactly do the top teams in those conferences have tougher schedules on an almost annual basis?
Oh thats right, they don't. You just made up bullshit without having any statistical data to back it up, and when you were proven wrong, you called it gibberish and somehow said it proved your point
SEC without question has much tougher schedule than ND.
Yeah, those 3 conferences on an almost annual basis have a tougher schedule than ND. Any more bullshit you want to make up that's not backed up by any data?
Are you telling me the 4th down brain fart that gave them the TD on a 4th and 11 from the 23. Come on.
A guy getting open is a "gift"
How about the gifts ND gave them in the game, like fumbling two field goal snaps, fumbling on their own 10 yard line, and throwing an interception inside the red zone.
Stanford received the bulk of the gifts in that game. Stanford had 200 yards of offense, the weather was the only thing that kept them in the game.
4th and 11 where a TD loses the game, and they decide not to cover a player 23 yards away. Hardly ever happens.
Stanford did not even play D with the WR in front them to give up the 1st down - they did not cover him. They got lucky. Nothing wrong with that
They win out - they are not going to be left out - for the fact they are ND and not KSU
They couldn't just defend the endzone, there was over a minute to go. They did cover the guy in front, if they throw to him it's going to be close whether or not he gets the first down. The CB clearly played it wrong, but you're acting like that's some strange thing in college football.
If we're just going to talk about being lucky on one play, then talk about how many single plays Stanford got lucky on then too. The statistics in that game weren't even close. Stanford had 200 yards of offense. The weather kept it close. If they played that game a week later ND wins by at least two touchdowns
This system sucks man, it's biased towards team with better records and tougher schedules and tougher opponents, man.. my team got hosed man.. the system is rigged by the NCAA in conjunction with ESPN, NBC, CBS, ABC, and the media complex..
what will happen if FSU loses to Louisville and ND runs the table.
Would they put in ND over FSU? They right now ranked Oregon well ahead of Arizona, despite both having one loss and Oregon losing to Arizona at home, so you can't say well ND lost to FSU so they would automatically be behind them.
what will happen if FSU loses to Louisville and ND runs the table.
Would they put in ND over FSU? They right now ranked Oregon well ahead of Arizona, despite both having one loss and Oregon losing to Arizona at home, so you can't say well ND lost to FSU so they would automatically be behind them.
Mook, I told you after ND loss that if they ran the table, I still think they are getting in. I really believe many of the SEC teams will end up with 2 losses. I think you should be a big MSU fan, and have them run the table. That way only 1 SEC gets in along with FSU and either Oregon/TCU. I still think Oregon has a loss in them. Win out and I think they are in.
but now they will need help, not just the SEC teams beating up on each other.
I thought they would be 7 or 8, would have even been fine with 9.
The one team that has no argument to be ahead of them is Michigan State. Their schedule has been comical, their quality win is against a team who needed a miracle play to beat an FCS team at home. Think about that.
Stanford is a better football team than Nebraska. Nebraska sucks. They dont even belong in the top 25 in these rankings, and because they are it gives MSU a quality win, yet somehow Stanford isn't a quality win.
but now they will need help, not just the SEC teams beating up on each other.
I thought they would be 7 or 8, would have even been fine with 9.
The one team that has no argument to be ahead of them is Michigan State. Their schedule has been comical, their quality win is against a team who needed a miracle play to beat an FCS team at home. Think about that.
Stanford is a better football team than Nebraska. Nebraska sucks. They dont even belong in the top 25 in these rankings, and because they are it gives MSU a quality win, yet somehow Stanford isn't a quality win.
I think their shitty schedule to end the year will let ND jump them. ND still has 3 top 25 opponents left while MSU has 1.
but now they will need help, not just the SEC teams beating up on each other.
I thought they would be 7 or 8, would have even been fine with 9.
The one team that has no argument to be ahead of them is Michigan State. Their schedule has been comical, their quality win is against a team who needed a miracle play to beat an FCS team at home. Think about that.
Stanford is a better football team than Nebraska. Nebraska sucks. They dont even belong in the top 25 in these rankings, and because they are it gives MSU a quality win, yet somehow Stanford isn't a quality win.
And Oregon and TCU both losing is still quite realistic. Stanford always gives Oregon problems and at Utah will be wild. Plus the Pac 10 title game looms as well. TCu can easily lose to WVU and KSU. Plus they will have a tough Big 12 title game too.
Plenty of games to go, so while it may not suck now - theres a good chance things will work out.
ND refused to join a conference years ago. And because of that college football is what it is today. If they joined the Big East in all sports there would not have been the major conference reshuffle. Miami and BC would have stayed in the Big East. It's also the fault of the Big East for allowing ND to dictate to them the rules of partially joining the conference.
Louisville losing to FSU only hurts ND down the road as it may end up being one of those "non-quality" win FSU has which ultimately hurts ND. Especially considering ND has Louisvlle left on the schedule. If Louisville could have won and ND beat Louisville...that would have been huge.
ND would have to pound everyone remaining on the schedule including a huge win over ASU (after this weekend,the only ranked team that will be left).
ND refused to join a conference years ago. And because of that college football is what it is today. If they joined the Big East in all sports there would not have been the major conference reshuffle. Miami and BC would have stayed in the Big East. It's also the fault of the Big East for allowing ND to dictate to them the rules of partially joining the conference.
Crock of shyte. Why should have ND joined a conference? They played a pretty tough schedule. Back in the 70's the only suitable one was the Big 10, but they weren't buying. Big East? Really? Not that good back then and only briefly in the 80s and early 90s.
They are better now with the ACC, although I still think the Big 10 is more suitable.
There is no team in the top 10 that is going to blow ND out or that ND is incapable of beating.
ND refused to join a conference years ago. And because of that college football is what it is today. If they joined the Big East in all sports there would not have been the major conference reshuffle. Miami and BC would have stayed in the Big East. It's also the fault of the Big East for allowing ND to dictate to them the rules of partially joining the conference.
Crock of shyte. Why should have ND joined a conference? They played a pretty tough schedule. Back in the 70's the only suitable one was the Big 10, but they weren't buying. Big East? Really? Not that good back then and only briefly in the 80s and early 90s.
They are better now with the ACC, although I still think the Big 10 is more suitable.
There is no team in the top 10 that is going to blow ND out or that ND is incapable of beating.
The Big 10 desperately wanted ND but ND wanted zero part of the B10. They want to play all over the country, not be stuck in the midwest. They never even considered the B10, it was b12 or ACC
ND refused to join a conference years ago. And because of that college football is what it is today. If they joined the Big East in all sports there would not have been the major conference reshuffle. Miami and BC would have stayed in the Big East. It's also the fault of the Big East for allowing ND to dictate to them the rules of partially joining the conference.
Crock of shyte. Why should have ND joined a conference? They played a pretty tough schedule. Back in the 70's the only suitable one was the Big 10, but they weren't buying. Big East? Really? Not that good back then and only briefly in the 80s and early 90s.
They are better now with the ACC, although I still think the Big 10 is more suitable.
There is no team in the top 10 that is going to blow ND out or that ND is incapable of beating.
The Big 10 desperately wanted ND but ND wanted zero part of the B10. They want to play all over the country, not be stuck in the midwest. They never even considered the B10, it was b12 or ACC
Wasn't it Penn State they wanted with ND late 70s early 80s?
Big 12 with Texas, OK, OkSt, Iowa, Iowa St, Neb, etc? I don't remember that and I've been an ND fan since 1963 or so, but that doesn't mean anything. My roommate in college was from Nebraska and he used to ridicule ND for not being in a conference all the time.
I think you're guess is going to be accurate
If they are in top 6, they will get in if they run the table. Running the table will not be easy at all though
I think you're guess is going to be accurate
Yes because I don't think we'll probably end up with 1 unbeaten (Florida State) and at most three 1-loss teams
FSU likely goes unbeaten
SEC champ either has one loss (Alabama/Auburn/Georgia/Ole Miss/Miss St) or Miss St goes unbeaten (very unlikely)
The other two spots are completely up in the air
But what do I expect to see? Mississippi State, FSU, (pick your favorite one-loss SEC West team), Oregon.
I wouldn't excuse it, but as far as losses go, that's not a bad one. Arizona is legit. I would not be surprised to see that team run the table in the Pac-12 South.
I think the problem for Notre Dame is going to be that they probably fall behind one-loss champions from each of the SEC / Big XII, plus Oregon. If FSU runs the table, ND really needs to root for one of those conferences to cannibalize itself, or at least for the Pac-12 to produce a champion that's not Oregon (preferably with two losses - if Arizona runs the table and ends up with a whole bunch of quality wins, two wins over Oregon, and only that two-point loss to USC... that's not good for ND). There are plenty of viable routes, but ND needs a little bit of help.
But CFB is crazy. I think ND will get the help. Just gotta keep winning games.
24. Duke
23. East Carolina
22. UCLA
21. Clemson
20. West Virginia
19. LSU
18. Oklahoma
17. Utah
16. Ohio State
15. Nebraska
14. Arizona State
13. Baylor
12. Arizona
11. Oregon
10. Notre Dame
9. Kansas State
8. Michigan State
7. TCU
2. Florida State
3. Auburn
4. Ole Miss
Three SEC teams in the top 4, wow
5. Oregon
6. Alabama
The committee loves the SEC and basically told ND to join a conference in the future or else
Although you could argue ND's best win is Stanford, and despite the loss to FSU, they've beaten nobody who is any good and Nebraska might be better than Stanford. That being said I think ND should be ranked higher.
But ND's wins are
Rice
Michigan (who is atrocious this year)
Purdue
Syracuse
Stanford (three losses)
UNC
Normally that looks like a good resume but with Michigan terrible and Stanford with 3 losses, it really isn't impressive when you look at what other teams have done
ND is going to need Arizona State to beat Utah this weekend and then they need to really make a statement in the desert next saturday night.
Rice (4-3)
Michigan (3-5)
Purdue (3-5)
Syracuse (3-5)
Stanford (5-3)
North Carolina (4-4)
The only semi-quality win there is Stanford
ND is going to need Arizona State to beat Utah this weekend and then they need to really make a statement in the desert next saturday night.
I think ND and MSU have equal resumes but their resume isn't any better than any of the other teams ranked above them
Yeah fuck that. It is the greedy conferences that choose to have a conference championship game. For MONEY. Yet they whine incessantly when one of their teams lose in that championship game. They want the credit for the wins, but don't want to be penalized for the losses. It's bullshit. They chose to have the game to make cash, yet they don't want to deal with the consequences. Must be nice
Alright, fine by me.
Exactly, UCLA is no better than Stanford. UCLA sucks every bit as much as Stanford does.
ND played one decent team and they lost on the last play of the game.
Outside of those 2 games, their resumes are the same. Put Nebraska on a neutral field against Stanford and I'd bet a lot of money Stanford is favored in vegas
Say what you want about the BCS computer rankings, but I'd feel a lot more comfortable with those than with this "committee".
But they don't play a tougher schedule than the good teams in the other conferences. The only reason why they play a tougher schedule than the B1G is because the B1G has never been weaker.
ND's strength of schedule is historically overrated too considering the fact they always play at least one service academy every year
FSU
MSU
Bama
ND/TCU.
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considering they play a tougher schedule every single year than the Big 10 teams do. The Big 10 is pitiful
But they don't play a tougher schedule than the good teams in the other conferences. The only reason why they play a tougher schedule than the B1G is because the B1G has never been weaker.
ND's strength of schedule is historically overrated too considering the fact they always play at least one service academy every year
Thats complete bullshit dpinzow. Pre-season schedule rankings had ND as the #1 SOS in the country. They schedule difficult games every single year, the Big 10 never schedules difficult games. This year ND has been hurt by Stanford finally taking a step back, Michigan being a train wreck, USC who was top 10 pre-season losing a few times.
And lol at the schedule being overrated because of playing a service academy. Which is more difficult, a service academy or Akron? A service academy or McNeese State?
Before the year everyone pointed to how difficult ND's schedule was. Because of things outside of their control it has not been nearly as difficult as people once thought.
No one ever goes into a season and says "wow look how tough the schedule is of that team in the big 10".
Wyoming
Jacksonville State
Eastern Michigan
3 teams that are significantly worse than any team on ND's schedule
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considering they play a tougher schedule every single year than the Big 10 teams do. The Big 10 is pitiful
But they don't play a tougher schedule than the good teams in the other conferences. The only reason why they play a tougher schedule than the B1G is because the B1G has never been weaker.
ND's strength of schedule is historically overrated too considering the fact they always play at least one service academy every year
Thats complete bullshit dpinzow. Pre-season schedule rankings had ND as the #1 SOS in the country. They schedule difficult games every single year, the Big 10 never schedules difficult games. This year ND has been hurt by Stanford finally taking a step back, Michigan being a train wreck, USC who was top 10 pre-season losing a few times.
And lol at the schedule being overrated because of playing a service academy. Which is more difficult, a service academy or Akron? A service academy or McNeese State?
Before the year everyone pointed to how difficult ND's schedule was. Because of things outside of their control it has not been nearly as difficult as people once thought.
No one ever goes into a season and says "wow look how tough the schedule is of that team in the big 10".
That's true about the B1G but not for the other conferences. I think you constantly overrate ND's sked because you can't see the forest for the trees as a blinkered domer
Some before the year thought it was one of the most difficult schedules they've ever seen.
The Big 10, year in and year out for the last decade, has played one joke schedule after another. And everyone knows it before the year.
Think Nebraska only has 1 loss if they played USC's schedule, or Stanford's schedule?
Purdue/Michigan/Michigan State were constant opponents of ND.
Michigan has played Va Tech, Bama, Utah in recent years.
Sparty played Oregon this year.
Ohio St schduled Va Tech (granted they are horrible this year)
Nebraska has played UCLA the last few years.
You only get a few non conference games, and you arent going to load up every non conference games with power houses. ANd also the Big 10 has played other teams like Cincy, Syracuse, BC who tend to be up and down depending when the game contracts are signed.
They'll have a win at Oklahoma, a blowout over Ok. St, a win at West Virginia (who suddenly looks pretty good) and a win against K. State
The top teams in the Big 12, SEC and Pac-12 all play tougher schedules in conference than ND does as an independent on an almost annual basis. It used to be that way too for the Big 10 when OSU, Michigan and PSU were national powers
Maybe because they ended their contract with ND and they needed to pick up a game. You know as well as anyone a lot of these teams they play have contracts from years ago. If took out Jacksonville State for example and threw in ND - how legit is their non conference games?
It would be easier because they probably would play 2 cupcakes (Navy and lets say Army) with two tougher rival-type games (lets just say USC and Stanford). And no matter what conference you go to, there are always 3-4 shit teams. Just so happens the big 10 has more the last few years than usual.
That's because the Big 10 is historically down. Put ND in the Big 10 between 1994 and the Kelly era and they'd get slaughtered. I think part of why ND switched to an ACC-heavy schedule is because they think the ACC is stronger than the Big 10. By getting away with playing a pseudo-ACC conference schedule they can front as a national power
They'll have a win at Oklahoma, a blowout over Ok. St, a win at West Virginia (who suddenly looks pretty good) and a win against K. State
The top teams in the Big 12, SEC and Pac-12 all play tougher schedules in conference than ND does as an independent on an almost annual basis. It used to be that way too for the Big 10 when OSU, Michigan and PSU were national powers
That's bullshit, and the strength of schedule numbers at the end of the year prove that.
For instance last year, using Sagarin schedule ranks, here is where ND finished relative to the top 10 teams in 2013.
ND- 30th
FSU- 62nd
Oregon- 29th
Alabama- 39th
Auburn- 13th
Stanford- 1
Michigan State- 51
Missouri- 24
UCLA- 7
Baylor- 48
South Carolina-20
So of those 10, ND had a tougher schedule than 4 of them and very close with both Missouri and Oregon
2012- ND 21
Bama- 19
Oregon- 38
A&M- 6
Georgia- 27
South Carolina -23
Florida- 4
KState- 14
LSU- 15
FSU- 66
So again, they had a SOS tougher than 4 of the top 10 teams, and very close with Bama and LSU.
2011- ND was ranked 25th. of the teams in the top 10, they had a tougher schedule than 5 of them.
2010- 21st. Of the teams in the top 10, tougher than 4.
Not sure where you're getting your information from, but it's not correct.
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I think they belong
They'll have a win at Oklahoma, a blowout over Ok. St, a win at West Virginia (who suddenly looks pretty good) and a win against K. State
The top teams in the Big 12, SEC and Pac-12 all play tougher schedules in conference than ND does as an independent on an almost annual basis. It used to be that way too for the Big 10 when OSU, Michigan and PSU were national powers
That's bullshit, and the strength of schedule numbers at the end of the year prove that.
For instance last year, using Sagarin schedule ranks, here is where ND finished relative to the top 10 teams in 2013.
ND- 30th
FSU- 62nd
Oregon- 29th
Alabama- 39th
Auburn- 13th
Stanford- 1
Michigan State- 51
Missouri- 24
UCLA- 7
Baylor- 48
South Carolina-20
So of those 10, ND had a tougher schedule than 4 of them and very close with both Missouri and Oregon
2012- ND 21
Bama- 19
Oregon- 38
A&M- 6
Georgia- 27
South Carolina -23
Florida- 4
KState- 14
LSU- 15
FSU- 66
So again, they had a SOS tougher than 4 of the top 10 teams, and very close with Bama and LSU.
2011- ND was ranked 25th. of the teams in the top 10, they had a tougher schedule than 5 of them.
2010- 21st. Of the teams in the top 10, tougher than 4.
Not sure where you're getting your information from, but it's not correct.
All you proved with that gibberish is ND plays a decent, but not mind-blowing schedule. When you say that 6 of the top 10 teams in the last two years played a tougher or equivalent schedule to ND you undermined your own point.
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were to ever join the B10, which obviously isn't going to happen, their schedule would get easier nearly every year than it is right now. So if you're going to keep ND out because they aren't in conference, then keep the entire b10 out too
That's because the Big 10 is historically down. Put ND in the Big 10 between 1994 and the Kelly era and they'd get slaughtered. I think part of why ND switched to an ACC-heavy schedule is because they think the ACC is stronger than the Big 10. By getting away with playing a pseudo-ACC conference schedule they can front as a national power
ACC's SOS recently has been pathetic, so playing 5 teams from the ACC may actually hurt them rather than help them. ND has been in the top 3 as far as SOS goes since Kelly got there, they are not playing an easy schedule by any means. Even this year while it wont be a tough schedule it will not be B10 level or ACC level easy, either.
Also, according to Sagarin ratings, ND's SOS is tougher than both Baylor and TCU.
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I think they belong
They'll have a win at Oklahoma, a blowout over Ok. St, a win at West Virginia (who suddenly looks pretty good) and a win against K. State
The top teams in the Big 12, SEC and Pac-12 all play tougher schedules in conference than ND does as an independent on an almost annual basis. It used to be that way too for the Big 10 when OSU, Michigan and PSU were national powers
That's bullshit, and the strength of schedule numbers at the end of the year prove that.
For instance last year, using Sagarin schedule ranks, here is where ND finished relative to the top 10 teams in 2013.
ND- 30th
FSU- 62nd
Oregon- 29th
Alabama- 39th
Auburn- 13th
Stanford- 1
Michigan State- 51
Missouri- 24
UCLA- 7
Baylor- 48
South Carolina-20
So of those 10, ND had a tougher schedule than 4 of them and very close with both Missouri and Oregon
2012- ND 21
Bama- 19
Oregon- 38
A&M- 6
Georgia- 27
South Carolina -23
Florida- 4
KState- 14
LSU- 15
FSU- 66
So again, they had a SOS tougher than 4 of the top 10 teams, and very close with Bama and LSU.
2011- ND was ranked 25th. of the teams in the top 10, they had a tougher schedule than 5 of them.
2010- 21st. Of the teams in the top 10, tougher than 4.
Not sure where you're getting your information from, but it's not correct.
All you proved with that gibberish is ND plays a decent, but not mind-blowing schedule. When you say that 6 of the top 10 teams in the last two years played a tougher or equivalent schedule to ND you undermined your own point.
Your words right here.
The top teams in the Big 12, SEC and Pac-12 all play tougher schedules in conference than ND does as an independent on an almost annual basis. It used to be that way too for the Big 10 when OSU, Michigan and PSU were national powers
In other words, what you said right above is complete bullshit. If they have a tougher schedule than just about half of the top 10 teams every year, then how exactly do the top teams in those conferences have tougher schedules on an almost annual basis?
Oh thats right, they don't. You just made up bullshit without having any statistical data to back it up, and when you were proven wrong, you called it gibberish and somehow said it proved your point
top 2 in Pac 12- 34th, 30th
SEC without question has much tougher schedule than ND.
Yeah, those 3 conferences on an almost annual basis have a tougher schedule than ND. Any more bullshit you want to make up that's not backed up by any data?
So beating Rice at home, Mich at home, NC at home Syr at nuetral and Purdue at neutral deserves to be in the top 4.
If they win out they are going to be there at the end
The only gift in that game was the weather which is the only reason it was even a game.
A guy getting open is a "gift"
How about the gifts ND gave them in the game, like fumbling two field goal snaps, fumbling on their own 10 yard line, and throwing an interception inside the red zone.
Stanford received the bulk of the gifts in that game. Stanford had 200 yards of offense, the weather was the only thing that kept them in the game.
Stanford did not even play D with the WR in front them to give up the 1st down - they did not cover him. They got lucky. Nothing wrong with that
They win out - they are not going to be left out - for the fact they are ND and not KSU
Stanford did not even play D with the WR in front them to give up the 1st down - they did not cover him. They got lucky. Nothing wrong with that
They win out - they are not going to be left out - for the fact they are ND and not KSU
They couldn't just defend the endzone, there was over a minute to go. They did cover the guy in front, if they throw to him it's going to be close whether or not he gets the first down. The CB clearly played it wrong, but you're acting like that's some strange thing in college football.
If we're just going to talk about being lucky on one play, then talk about how many single plays Stanford got lucky on then too. The statistics in that game weren't even close. Stanford had 200 yards of offense. The weather kept it close. If they played that game a week later ND wins by at least two touchdowns
This system sucks man, it's biased towards team with better records and tougher schedules and tougher opponents, man.. my team got hosed man.. the system is rigged by the NCAA in conjunction with ESPN, NBC, CBS, ABC, and the media complex..
lol..
Would they put in ND over FSU? They right now ranked Oregon well ahead of Arizona, despite both having one loss and Oregon losing to Arizona at home, so you can't say well ND lost to FSU so they would automatically be behind them.
Would they put in ND over FSU? They right now ranked Oregon well ahead of Arizona, despite both having one loss and Oregon losing to Arizona at home, so you can't say well ND lost to FSU so they would automatically be behind them.
Mook, I told you after ND loss that if they ran the table, I still think they are getting in. I really believe many of the SEC teams will end up with 2 losses. I think you should be a big MSU fan, and have them run the table. That way only 1 SEC gets in along with FSU and either Oregon/TCU. I still think Oregon has a loss in them. Win out and I think they are in.
I thought they would be 7 or 8, would have even been fine with 9.
The one team that has no argument to be ahead of them is Michigan State. Their schedule has been comical, their quality win is against a team who needed a miracle play to beat an FCS team at home. Think about that.
Stanford is a better football team than Nebraska. Nebraska sucks. They dont even belong in the top 25 in these rankings, and because they are it gives MSU a quality win, yet somehow Stanford isn't a quality win.
I thought they would be 7 or 8, would have even been fine with 9.
The one team that has no argument to be ahead of them is Michigan State. Their schedule has been comical, their quality win is against a team who needed a miracle play to beat an FCS team at home. Think about that.
Stanford is a better football team than Nebraska. Nebraska sucks. They dont even belong in the top 25 in these rankings, and because they are it gives MSU a quality win, yet somehow Stanford isn't a quality win.
I think their shitty schedule to end the year will let ND jump them. ND still has 3 top 25 opponents left while MSU has 1.
I thought they would be 7 or 8, would have even been fine with 9.
The one team that has no argument to be ahead of them is Michigan State. Their schedule has been comical, their quality win is against a team who needed a miracle play to beat an FCS team at home. Think about that.
Stanford is a better football team than Nebraska. Nebraska sucks. They dont even belong in the top 25 in these rankings, and because they are it gives MSU a quality win, yet somehow Stanford isn't a quality win.
And Oregon and TCU both losing is still quite realistic. Stanford always gives Oregon problems and at Utah will be wild. Plus the Pac 10 title game looms as well. TCu can easily lose to WVU and KSU. Plus they will have a tough Big 12 title game too.
Plenty of games to go, so while it may not suck now - theres a good chance things will work out.
I could see a case for a big 12 team getting in over ND. I wouldn't agree with it but there's definitely an argument to be made.
There's no argument for MSU over ND right now.
Still waiting for one reason why they should have joined a conference in football.
Now everyone hates this way.
No one is ever happy.
And nobody is talking about the World Series.
Weak schedule - ( New Window )
ND would have to pound everyone remaining on the schedule including a huge win over ASU (after this weekend,the only ranked team that will be left).
Crock of shyte. Why should have ND joined a conference? They played a pretty tough schedule. Back in the 70's the only suitable one was the Big 10, but they weren't buying. Big East? Really? Not that good back then and only briefly in the 80s and early 90s.
They are better now with the ACC, although I still think the Big 10 is more suitable.
There is no team in the top 10 that is going to blow ND out or that ND is incapable of beating.
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ND refused to join a conference years ago. And because of that college football is what it is today. If they joined the Big East in all sports there would not have been the major conference reshuffle. Miami and BC would have stayed in the Big East. It's also the fault of the Big East for allowing ND to dictate to them the rules of partially joining the conference.
Crock of shyte. Why should have ND joined a conference? They played a pretty tough schedule. Back in the 70's the only suitable one was the Big 10, but they weren't buying. Big East? Really? Not that good back then and only briefly in the 80s and early 90s.
They are better now with the ACC, although I still think the Big 10 is more suitable.
There is no team in the top 10 that is going to blow ND out or that ND is incapable of beating.
The Big 10 desperately wanted ND but ND wanted zero part of the B10. They want to play all over the country, not be stuck in the midwest. They never even considered the B10, it was b12 or ACC
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ND refused to join a conference years ago. And because of that college football is what it is today. If they joined the Big East in all sports there would not have been the major conference reshuffle. Miami and BC would have stayed in the Big East. It's also the fault of the Big East for allowing ND to dictate to them the rules of partially joining the conference.
Crock of shyte. Why should have ND joined a conference? They played a pretty tough schedule. Back in the 70's the only suitable one was the Big 10, but they weren't buying. Big East? Really? Not that good back then and only briefly in the 80s and early 90s.
They are better now with the ACC, although I still think the Big 10 is more suitable.
There is no team in the top 10 that is going to blow ND out or that ND is incapable of beating.
The Big 10 desperately wanted ND but ND wanted zero part of the B10. They want to play all over the country, not be stuck in the midwest. They never even considered the B10, it was b12 or ACC
Wasn't it Penn State they wanted with ND late 70s early 80s?
Big 12 with Texas, OK, OkSt, Iowa, Iowa St, Neb, etc? I don't remember that and I've been an ND fan since 1963 or so, but that doesn't mean anything. My roommate in college was from Nebraska and he used to ridicule ND for not being in a conference all the time.