What I would vote for: Mississippi State, FSU, TCU, Auburn (that LSU win is the best win any one-loss SEC team has, and the Kansas State win is probably the best OOC scalp among those teams).
But what do I expect to see? Mississippi State, FSU, (pick your favorite one-loss SEC West team), Oregon.
runs the table I think they are a very safe bet to get in, because everyone seems to be "excusing" their home loss to Arizona somehow as a result of their LT not playing. Everyone has to deal with injuries, if its not to your QB it should not be excused.
runs the table I think they are a very safe bet to get in, because everyone seems to be "excusing" their home loss to Arizona somehow as a result of their LT not playing. Everyone has to deal with injuries, if its not to your QB it should not be excused.
I wouldn't excuse it, but as far as losses go, that's not a bad one. Arizona is legit. I would not be surprised to see that team run the table in the Pac-12 South.
I think the problem for Notre Dame is going to be that they probably fall behind one-loss champions from each of the SEC / Big XII, plus Oregon. If FSU runs the table, ND really needs to root for one of those conferences to cannibalize itself, or at least for the Pac-12 to produce a champion that's not Oregon (preferably with two losses - if Arizona runs the table and ends up with a whole bunch of quality wins, two wins over Oregon, and only that two-point loss to USC... that's not good for ND). There are plenty of viable routes, but ND needs a little bit of help.
But CFB is crazy. I think ND will get the help. Just gotta keep winning games.
I'd absolutely put a team that survives that schedule over ND based on resume, and that's as an ND fan who desperately wants to see them get into the top 4. TCU is really, really good, as is K-State, as is Baylor. YMMV though.
They have such a huge advantage by not having to play a conference championship game. While teams from all the power conferences have to fight for their lives ND can sit around waiting for the top teams to lose.
the Big 10 teams really have to fight for their lives. Take a look at Ohio State's and Michigan State's schedules year in and year out and tell me how they have to fight for their lives
best win is Nebraska, who needed a ridiculous play from Abdullah to beat McNeese State at home. Fucking comical.
Although you could argue ND's best win is Stanford, and despite the loss to FSU, they've beaten nobody who is any good and Nebraska might be better than Stanford. That being said I think ND should be ranked higher.
But ND's wins are
Rice
Michigan (who is atrocious this year)
Purdue
Syracuse
Stanford (three losses)
UNC
Normally that looks like a good resume but with Michigan terrible and Stanford with 3 losses, it really isn't impressive when you look at what other teams have done
Is the SEC love. How can all the top teams be from the SEC? I mean come on why does anyine play the game anymore the national champion is an SEC team they already play in the playoffs.... Fuck that. Any other conferences bottom feeders beat their top teams they are dogshit as a total overall conference. If it happens in the SEC it shows depth. Fuck off!
does not have a great resume but it's better than Michigan State's. SOS is better, their best win is just as good, Nebraska is the most overrated team in that entire ranking, look at who they've beaten and who they have struggled with. They lost by 20 at Oregon, and ND lost on the last play at FSU. Quality of loss should be taken into consideration.
ND is going to need Arizona State to beat Utah this weekend and then they need to really make a statement in the desert next saturday night.
is a quality team than so is Stanford. Let me repeat, Nebraska has beaten no one and needed a miracle play from Abdullah to beat McNeese State at home.
Oregon had a good win at UCLA, according to committee leader.
does not have a great resume but it's better than Michigan State's. SOS is better, their best win is just as good, Nebraska is the most overrated team in that entire ranking, look at who they've beaten and who they have struggled with. They lost by 20 at Oregon, and ND lost on the last play at FSU. Quality of loss should be taken into consideration.
ND is going to need Arizona State to beat Utah this weekend and then they need to really make a statement in the desert next saturday night.
I think ND and MSU have equal resumes but their resume isn't any better than any of the other teams ranked above them
They have such a huge advantage by not having to play a conference championship game. While teams from all the power conferences have to fight for their lives ND can sit around waiting for the top teams to lose.
Yeah fuck that. It is the greedy conferences that choose to have a conference championship game. For MONEY. Yet they whine incessantly when one of their teams lose in that championship game. They want the credit for the wins, but don't want to be penalized for the losses. It's bullshit. They chose to have the game to make cash, yet they don't want to deal with the consequences. Must be nice
ND played one decent team and they lost on the last play of the game.
Outside of those 2 games, their resumes are the same. Put Nebraska on a neutral field against Stanford and I'd bet a lot of money Stanford is favored in vegas
clear that ND got zero credit for the way they played at FSU despite FSU not losing a game since 2012 and never even being threatened besides in the BCS title game with Winston at QB. So if thats the case go Louisville on Thursday
considering they play a tougher schedule every single year than the Big 10 teams do. The Big 10 is pitiful
But they don't play a tougher schedule than the good teams in the other conferences. The only reason why they play a tougher schedule than the B1G is because the B1G has never been weaker.
ND's strength of schedule is historically overrated too considering the fact they always play at least one service academy every year
if ND beats Louisville, ASU, and USC and the SEC teams beat up each other, which will happen. They will get in. The one team to worry about is TCU. I see the final 4 being...
considering they play a tougher schedule every single year than the Big 10 teams do. The Big 10 is pitiful
But they don't play a tougher schedule than the good teams in the other conferences. The only reason why they play a tougher schedule than the B1G is because the B1G has never been weaker.
ND's strength of schedule is historically overrated too considering the fact they always play at least one service academy every year
Thats complete bullshit dpinzow. Pre-season schedule rankings had ND as the #1 SOS in the country. They schedule difficult games every single year, the Big 10 never schedules difficult games. This year ND has been hurt by Stanford finally taking a step back, Michigan being a train wreck, USC who was top 10 pre-season losing a few times.
And lol at the schedule being overrated because of playing a service academy. Which is more difficult, a service academy or Akron? A service academy or McNeese State?
Before the year everyone pointed to how difficult ND's schedule was. Because of things outside of their control it has not been nearly as difficult as people once thought.
No one ever goes into a season and says "wow look how tough the schedule is of that team in the big 10".
considering they play a tougher schedule every single year than the Big 10 teams do. The Big 10 is pitiful
But they don't play a tougher schedule than the good teams in the other conferences. The only reason why they play a tougher schedule than the B1G is because the B1G has never been weaker.
ND's strength of schedule is historically overrated too considering the fact they always play at least one service academy every year
Thats complete bullshit dpinzow. Pre-season schedule rankings had ND as the #1 SOS in the country. They schedule difficult games every single year, the Big 10 never schedules difficult games. This year ND has been hurt by Stanford finally taking a step back, Michigan being a train wreck, USC who was top 10 pre-season losing a few times.
And lol at the schedule being overrated because of playing a service academy. Which is more difficult, a service academy or Akron? A service academy or McNeese State?
Before the year everyone pointed to how difficult ND's schedule was. Because of things outside of their control it has not been nearly as difficult as people once thought.
No one ever goes into a season and says "wow look how tough the schedule is of that team in the big 10".
That's true about the B1G but not for the other conferences. I think you constantly overrate ND's sked because you can't see the forest for the trees as a blinkered domer
is it gives teams from all of the "inferior" conferences, aka conferences not named SEC, a chance to prove that they are just as good. So, how exactly can they do that if the committee simply loads up on SEC teams? You put 3 SEC teams in the final four, of course one of them will win, and we'll have to listen to how great the SEC is. This is supposed to be a level playing field.
ND's schedule this year at all. It has turned out to be relatively easy to this point, but that was out of their control. You can't say they scheduled easy and in the pre-season talk about how difficult their schedule was, it has turned out to be easy but not because they didn't try to get a difficult schedule, it was just the perfect storm of teams that people thought were going to be really good all of a sudden sucking.
Some before the year thought it was one of the most difficult schedules they've ever seen.
The Big 10, year in and year out for the last decade, has played one joke schedule after another. And everyone knows it before the year.
Think Nebraska only has 1 loss if they played USC's schedule, or Stanford's schedule?
the Big 10 constantly scehdules tough out of conference games.
Purdue/Michigan/Michigan State were constant opponents of ND.
Michigan has played Va Tech, Bama, Utah in recent years.
Sparty played Oregon this year.
Ohio St schduled Va Tech (granted they are horrible this year)
Nebraska has played UCLA the last few years.
You only get a few non conference games, and you arent going to load up every non conference games with power houses. ANd also the Big 10 has played other teams like Cincy, Syracuse, BC who tend to be up and down depending when the game contracts are signed.
I think you're guess is going to be accurate
If they are in top 6, they will get in if they run the table. Running the table will not be easy at all though
I think you're guess is going to be accurate
Yes because I don't think we'll probably end up with 1 unbeaten (Florida State) and at most three 1-loss teams
FSU likely goes unbeaten
SEC champ either has one loss (Alabama/Auburn/Georgia/Ole Miss/Miss St) or Miss St goes unbeaten (very unlikely)
The other two spots are completely up in the air
But what do I expect to see? Mississippi State, FSU, (pick your favorite one-loss SEC West team), Oregon.
I wouldn't excuse it, but as far as losses go, that's not a bad one. Arizona is legit. I would not be surprised to see that team run the table in the Pac-12 South.
I think the problem for Notre Dame is going to be that they probably fall behind one-loss champions from each of the SEC / Big XII, plus Oregon. If FSU runs the table, ND really needs to root for one of those conferences to cannibalize itself, or at least for the Pac-12 to produce a champion that's not Oregon (preferably with two losses - if Arizona runs the table and ends up with a whole bunch of quality wins, two wins over Oregon, and only that two-point loss to USC... that's not good for ND). There are plenty of viable routes, but ND needs a little bit of help.
But CFB is crazy. I think ND will get the help. Just gotta keep winning games.
24. Duke
23. East Carolina
22. UCLA
21. Clemson
20. West Virginia
19. LSU
18. Oklahoma
17. Utah
16. Ohio State
15. Nebraska
14. Arizona State
13. Baylor
12. Arizona
11. Oregon
10. Notre Dame
9. Kansas State
8. Michigan State
7. TCU
2. Florida State
3. Auburn
4. Ole Miss
Three SEC teams in the top 4, wow
5. Oregon
6. Alabama
The committee loves the SEC and basically told ND to join a conference in the future or else
Although you could argue ND's best win is Stanford, and despite the loss to FSU, they've beaten nobody who is any good and Nebraska might be better than Stanford. That being said I think ND should be ranked higher.
But ND's wins are
Rice
Michigan (who is atrocious this year)
Purdue
Syracuse
Stanford (three losses)
UNC
Normally that looks like a good resume but with Michigan terrible and Stanford with 3 losses, it really isn't impressive when you look at what other teams have done
ND is going to need Arizona State to beat Utah this weekend and then they need to really make a statement in the desert next saturday night.
Rice (4-3)
Michigan (3-5)
Purdue (3-5)
Syracuse (3-5)
Stanford (5-3)
North Carolina (4-4)
The only semi-quality win there is Stanford
ND is going to need Arizona State to beat Utah this weekend and then they need to really make a statement in the desert next saturday night.
I think ND and MSU have equal resumes but their resume isn't any better than any of the other teams ranked above them
Yeah fuck that. It is the greedy conferences that choose to have a conference championship game. For MONEY. Yet they whine incessantly when one of their teams lose in that championship game. They want the credit for the wins, but don't want to be penalized for the losses. It's bullshit. They chose to have the game to make cash, yet they don't want to deal with the consequences. Must be nice
Alright, fine by me.
Exactly, UCLA is no better than Stanford. UCLA sucks every bit as much as Stanford does.
ND played one decent team and they lost on the last play of the game.
Outside of those 2 games, their resumes are the same. Put Nebraska on a neutral field against Stanford and I'd bet a lot of money Stanford is favored in vegas
Say what you want about the BCS computer rankings, but I'd feel a lot more comfortable with those than with this "committee".
But they don't play a tougher schedule than the good teams in the other conferences. The only reason why they play a tougher schedule than the B1G is because the B1G has never been weaker.
ND's strength of schedule is historically overrated too considering the fact they always play at least one service academy every year
FSU
MSU
Bama
ND/TCU.
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considering they play a tougher schedule every single year than the Big 10 teams do. The Big 10 is pitiful
But they don't play a tougher schedule than the good teams in the other conferences. The only reason why they play a tougher schedule than the B1G is because the B1G has never been weaker.
ND's strength of schedule is historically overrated too considering the fact they always play at least one service academy every year
Thats complete bullshit dpinzow. Pre-season schedule rankings had ND as the #1 SOS in the country. They schedule difficult games every single year, the Big 10 never schedules difficult games. This year ND has been hurt by Stanford finally taking a step back, Michigan being a train wreck, USC who was top 10 pre-season losing a few times.
And lol at the schedule being overrated because of playing a service academy. Which is more difficult, a service academy or Akron? A service academy or McNeese State?
Before the year everyone pointed to how difficult ND's schedule was. Because of things outside of their control it has not been nearly as difficult as people once thought.
No one ever goes into a season and says "wow look how tough the schedule is of that team in the big 10".
Wyoming
Jacksonville State
Eastern Michigan
3 teams that are significantly worse than any team on ND's schedule
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considering they play a tougher schedule every single year than the Big 10 teams do. The Big 10 is pitiful
But they don't play a tougher schedule than the good teams in the other conferences. The only reason why they play a tougher schedule than the B1G is because the B1G has never been weaker.
ND's strength of schedule is historically overrated too considering the fact they always play at least one service academy every year
Thats complete bullshit dpinzow. Pre-season schedule rankings had ND as the #1 SOS in the country. They schedule difficult games every single year, the Big 10 never schedules difficult games. This year ND has been hurt by Stanford finally taking a step back, Michigan being a train wreck, USC who was top 10 pre-season losing a few times.
And lol at the schedule being overrated because of playing a service academy. Which is more difficult, a service academy or Akron? A service academy or McNeese State?
Before the year everyone pointed to how difficult ND's schedule was. Because of things outside of their control it has not been nearly as difficult as people once thought.
No one ever goes into a season and says "wow look how tough the schedule is of that team in the big 10".
That's true about the B1G but not for the other conferences. I think you constantly overrate ND's sked because you can't see the forest for the trees as a blinkered domer
Some before the year thought it was one of the most difficult schedules they've ever seen.
The Big 10, year in and year out for the last decade, has played one joke schedule after another. And everyone knows it before the year.
Think Nebraska only has 1 loss if they played USC's schedule, or Stanford's schedule?
Purdue/Michigan/Michigan State were constant opponents of ND.
Michigan has played Va Tech, Bama, Utah in recent years.
Sparty played Oregon this year.
Ohio St schduled Va Tech (granted they are horrible this year)
Nebraska has played UCLA the last few years.
You only get a few non conference games, and you arent going to load up every non conference games with power houses. ANd also the Big 10 has played other teams like Cincy, Syracuse, BC who tend to be up and down depending when the game contracts are signed.