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The Decline Of The Franchise QB?

Essex : 10/28/2014 9:06 pm
I was thinking after watching McCoy go 25-30 for 299 yards that maybe the groupthink (which I agreed with) thought about the reason why they have relaxed the rules was to get more exciting games for the redzone and to attract more casual fans for the end of the game is not the whole story. Maybe a big part of the reason why they have relaxed the rules is to decrease the importance of the elite franchise qb. In other words, the franchise qb throwing into tight windows was such an advantage that it through parity out the window. That is why you had the decade of all basically all Super Bowls won by franchise qbs from 1999-2012 with the exception of 00 and 02. Basically you needed that to be successful unless you had an all time defense.

I don't think we have yet to see it effect a championship yet, but if you continue to have guys like McCoy able to have games like last night, Drew Stanton winning many games without playing in 3 years, the Mannings, Brady's, and Rodgers won't be nearly as valuable as they once were, especially with there crushing salary cap hits. Anyway, just food for thought.
I don't think that's true  
chris r : 10/28/2014 9:07 pm : link
it just raises the bar for everyone. The elite QBs are still better than everyone else and worth a lot more to a franchise.
When McCoy wins  
JCin332 : 10/28/2014 9:12 pm : link
a championship as opposed to a week 7 Monday night game then we can talk..
Seems  
pjcas18 : 10/28/2014 9:12 pm : link
hard to make a case for this based on one win.

when the Broncos are 6 - 1, Pats are 6 - 2, Colts are in first place in their division, Steelers are 5 - 3, Ravens (like Flacco or not, he's paid like a franchise QB) are 5 - 3, etc.

the SB favorites right now still have to be the Broncos, Pats, Seahawks, Packers, Colts, etc. ie. teams with legit franchise QB's or great defenses
Franchise QB's are still crucial parts of winning games.  
arcarsenal : 10/28/2014 9:17 pm : link
Where it gets difficult is that after you pay them like franchise QB's, it's hard to build the team around them.

But nothing has changed my mind overall that you need a franchise QB to win in this league. Far too many of them have won Super Bowls over the years for me to think otherwise.

When an Alex Smith or Brian Hoyer win a Super Bowl, I will consider wavering from that stance. Until then? Nope.
You do realize,  
Doomster : 10/28/2014 9:21 pm : link
that if Colt played like this for every game, at the end of a season, he would have a completion % of 83, and almost 4800 yards, and only 16 int's.....the downside is he has zero td passes....he will run for 16 tds, but his teams never score more than 17 points a game.....not sure his defense can keep the opposition under 17 points though.....
The best Qbs in the league this year  
dep026 : 10/28/2014 9:28 pm : link
Peyton
Rodgers
Brady
Rivers
Ben
Eli
Brees.

They are longtime franchise QBs and usually are competing for SBs. The only one I didnt include was Luck, and he is definitely a franchise QB.

Nick Foles 27/2 last year TDs/Ints  
Essex : 10/28/2014 9:34 pm : link
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Colt McCoy is just an example of how a guy without a start in 3 years can come in now and have a game that was off the charts. Stanton hasn't played in three years and beat us and the niners.
The point is not that the best qbs  
Essex : 10/28/2014 9:39 pm : link
Won't be the best qbs, but if guys like McCoy, Stanton, Austin Davis can compete, the value of an elite qb is not as valuable.

I would even argue that the trend is starting, the last two qbs to win Super Bowl were Flacco and Wilson, franchise qbs no doubt, but not Brady Rodgers and Peyton.
Foles' 2013 was flukey.  
arcarsenal : 10/28/2014 9:42 pm : link
There was no way those numbers were sustainable. And clearly, they weren't based on this year. 12 TD's and 9 INT's.
bad QB's  
pjcas18 : 10/28/2014 9:57 pm : link
have been winning games forever, look at it historically.

Mark Sanchez went to back to back AFC Championship games.

The teams who win consistently either have legit shut down D (a rarity) or a franchise QB.
Look at recent SB winners  
oipolloi : 10/28/2014 10:53 pm : link
Eli-2
Ben-2
Peyton
Brees
Rodgers
Flacco
Wilson

All of them are elite QBs, except Flacco, who is probably top 12, and Wilson, who played behind the best defense in the NFL since the 99 Ravens.

i actually think now its the exact opposite of the original poster  
PatersonPlank : 10/29/2014 2:46 am : link
If you don't have an elite QB you are screwed.
I think the relaxed rules creates a lot of contenders  
SHO'NUFF : 10/29/2014 3:53 am : link
out of pretenders...Guys like Dalton and Flacco are the Neil O'Donnells and Vinny Testeverdes of the 2010s.
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SanFranGiantsFan : 10/29/2014 6:21 am : link
I contend that the QB is still the most important position in the game & if you got a franchise one, you're sitting pretty.
The Foles and McCoys performances  
mrvax : 10/29/2014 6:42 am : link
are not consistent. The franchise QB will have many of those good/great games.
A month ago Kirk Cousins was getting the same kind  
Victor in CT : 10/29/2014 7:55 am : link
glorification as McCoy is now. And where is he? That's why neither of them are "franchise QBs" but merely flashes in the pan.
Brings to mind  
mrvax : 10/29/2014 8:22 am : link
the incredible Matt Flynn.
as many have said....  
BillKo : 10/29/2014 9:36 am : link
the smallest of sample sizes is being used here.

Colt McCoy, over a larger sample size, will find himself back on the bench with a clipboard.

He is what he is.......a backup NFL QB. And backup QBs are called upon to sometimes come in and perform well. He did that.
I'm not sure we haven't seen it effect a championship yet.  
Section331 : 10/29/2014 10:03 am : link
Are we sure Russell Wilson is a "franchise QB"? A good one, almost certainly, but elite? The jury's still out on that.
McCoy's game wasn't off the charts IMO  
jsuds : 10/29/2014 10:07 am : link
He missed or threw short on a number of occasions and looked out of it at times. Think he moved the wrong way on a hand-off too one time. Yeah he won, but bareley.
Kirk Cousins  
MetsAreBack : 10/29/2014 10:07 am : link
looked like an all-pro after his first two games too.

What separates the great ones from guys like McCoy and Stanton is that they can sustain that success over full seasons and years.

With that said, I'd like your theory to be true. I think its grossly unfair that we've come to a point where average QBs get $12 million/year contracts but RBs and guards can barely make $3 mil/year (I know.. cry me a river, but these guys put their bodies and lives on the line every week and their careers are usually over by age 30 when they have to support their families for another 40 years doing something at usually menial wage)
MCoy, Stanton, Foles  
Dylan fan : 10/29/2014 7:53 pm : link
I forget what big games (playoffs, SB) McCoy, Stanton & Foles have won. Oh, that's right: ZERO. Get back to me when any of them wins even ONE big game.
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