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FF: Would you trade for LeSean McCoy?

JoeMoney19 : 10/28/2014 10:35 pm
I'm wondering how BBIers think he will finish out the season. He seems like a prime buy low candidate, but I've been burned by that rule before and it's hard not to wonder if he's still battling that early turf toe injury.

A guy's asking for Hillman, Benjamin and Shoelaces. I'd be getting Shady, plus some scrap heaps in Welker and Mason.

Do ya'll think McCoy will have a big second half?
My league  
dep026 : 10/28/2014 10:38 pm : link
doesnt trade. If jennings comes back strong for the Giants, Ill be in a position where I have to bench McCoy.

One of the biggest fantasy busts of all time of guys who played the entire year.
Man, Mook is right..  
Sean : 10/28/2014 10:41 pm : link
fuck funtasy football. How any Giant fan could have him on their fantasy team and root for him is beyond me.
RE: Man, Mook is right..  
JoeMoney19 : 10/28/2014 10:56 pm : link
In comment 11945866 Sean said:
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fuck funtasy football. How any Giant fan could have him on their fantasy team and root for him is beyond me.

Annoying reality of fantasy. You can't avoid running players out there that are going against your actual home team.
Just traded for him  
muhajir : 10/28/2014 11:09 pm : link
Not too many tough defenses on the schedule and their Olineman are getting healthy.
If you want to win you have to pick players from ALL teams  
Jints in Carolina : 10/29/2014 12:21 am : link
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I drafted  
MookGiants : 10/29/2014 12:42 am : link
an Eagle player once in my life. Desean Jackson in 2010. I traded him before the season started for 75 cents on the dollar because I couldn't bring myself to root for him and I made a mistake drafting him.

This is without question my last year doing FF. I hate it more every year. It's all people give a shit about now, rooting for your favorite team has taken a back seat to rooting for your fantasy team, and especially going to games and listening to schmucks bitch about their fantasy team instead of paying attention to what's going on in the game they are at. It drives me crazy. I've been doing fantasy for 14 years, but I have already told the commish to start looking for someone to fill my spot next year. I didn't want to do it this year but did because I told them late i wanted out and they had a hard time finding someone.

It used to be fun, but now people are so consumed by it and in my opinion it takes away from the enjoyment of games and just rooting against teams you hate and rooting for teams you love.

Obviously I'm in the minority on this otherwise it wouldn't be so popular, but that's just how I feel.
not even if my balls were on fire  
RasputinPrime : 10/29/2014 12:53 am : link
and he was the only cup of water left on the planet.
I enjoy the gambling aspect  
TommytheElephant : 10/29/2014 6:19 am : link
And the fact that I probably would never talk to most of the guys in my leagues if it didn't exist

I'm with Jints but Mook I know what you mean.
I used to never pick NFC east players but that stopped because I just play them and hope for the worst.

My biggest problem is how guys judge players based on fantasy stats.
Mook:  
mrvax : 10/29/2014 6:49 am : link
I don't play FF anymore because of time. The 1 good thing about it was I had to have interest in other teams by their players around the league. It kept me from only looking at the Giants.

Yeah, it's hard to root for a player you actually don't like.
I get a kick out of some Giants fans who are too good  
Exit 172 : 10/29/2014 8:48 am : link
for fantasy football because they refuse to have to root for Eagles and Cowboys...but then they do office pools and sometimes pick the Eagles or Cowboys.
If not for fantasy football  
dep026 : 10/29/2014 8:59 am : link
how many less people would watch the shitshow the NFL has turned out to be?
RE: If not for fantasy football  
ktinsc : 10/29/2014 9:10 am : link
In comment 11946109 dep026 said:
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how many less people would watch the shitshow the NFL has turned out to be?


FTW
RE: I drafted  
BillKo : 10/29/2014 9:33 am : link
In comment 11945943 MookGiants said:
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an Eagle player once in my life. Desean Jackson in 2010. I traded him before the season started for 75 cents on the dollar because I couldn't bring myself to root for him and I made a mistake drafting him.

This is without question my last year doing FF. I hate it more every year. It's all people give a shit about now, rooting for your favorite team has taken a back seat to rooting for your fantasy team, and especially going to games and listening to schmucks bitch about their fantasy team instead of paying attention to what's going on in the game they are at. It drives me crazy. I've been doing fantasy for 14 years, but I have already told the commish to start looking for someone to fill my spot next year. I didn't want to do it this year but did because I told them late i wanted out and they had a hard time finding someone.

It used to be fun, but now people are so consumed by it and in my opinion it takes away from the enjoyment of games and just rooting against teams you hate and rooting for teams you love.

Obviously I'm in the minority on this otherwise it wouldn't be so popular, but that's just how I feel.


Mook - I completely concur.

I just never have seen the allure of fantasy football.

I'd much rather pick games as my secondary entertainment........and I stress secondary because I don't need to gamble to enjoy the NFL.
Only in a dinasty or legacy league  
JOrthman : 10/29/2014 9:41 am : link
If this is a one year league then no. He has been garbage all year and I'm not confident he will pick it up.
Yuck, Dynasty it should say  
JOrthman : 10/29/2014 9:42 am : link
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RE: I drafted  
MetsAreBack : 10/29/2014 10:00 am : link
In comment 11945943 MookGiants said:
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an Eagle player once in my life. Desean Jackson in 2010. I traded him before the season started for 75 cents on the dollar because I couldn't bring myself to root for him and I made a mistake drafting him.

This is without question my last year doing FF. I hate it more every year. It's all people give a shit about now, rooting for your favorite team has taken a back seat to rooting for your fantasy team, and especially going to games and listening to schmucks bitch about their fantasy team instead of paying attention to what's going on in the game they are at. It drives me crazy. I've been doing fantasy for 14 years, but I have already told the commish to start looking for someone to fill my spot next year. I didn't want to do it this year but did because I told them late i wanted out and they had a hard time finding someone.

It used to be fun, but now people are so consumed by it and in my opinion it takes away from the enjoyment of games and just rooting against teams you hate and rooting for teams you love.

Obviously I'm in the minority on this otherwise it wouldn't be so popular, but that's just how I feel.


You keep using the example of "other people" and having their priorities out of order. You quitting wont change that one iota. People will still talk about their teams at Giants games you attend. Your quitting wont lead to any kind of national crusade against the hobby.

Sounds like you are the one maybe pulling for your fantasy guys a little too much. That's fine, its understandable - I'm guilty of that as well... but just something i found from reading your post.


As far as Lesean McCoy, he's been miserable but I'd like to see what he can do with the o-line back. Kelce in particular was a huge loss.
haha  
UConn4523 : 10/29/2014 10:39 am : link
people are way too serious. Sure I want to win fantasy but at the end of the day, a player will do well or poorly despite me rooting for or against them.

People don't seem to get that.
RE: haha  
Exit 172 : 10/29/2014 10:47 am : link
In comment 11946328 UConn4523 said:
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people are way too serious. Sure I want to win fantasy but at the end of the day, a player will do well or poorly despite me rooting for or against them.

People don't seem to get that.

Exactly. People also don't seem to get that fantasy football is basically predictions. You make season-long predictions at the draft and then single-game predictions when you set your starting lineup each week. And the best predictions are the ones that are devoid of emotions and rooting interests.

If you have Dez Bryant, you didn't draft him and you're not routinely starting him because you love rooting for him to help the Cowboys win. You drafted him and you're starting him because you predict that he will have great stats.

If you're a Giants fan who plays fantasy football but avoids players on division rivals, you're probably the sucker in your league.
RE: RE: I drafted  
MookGiants : 10/29/2014 10:54 am : link
In comment 11946240 MetsAreBack said:
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In comment 11945943 MookGiants said:


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an Eagle player once in my life. Desean Jackson in 2010. I traded him before the season started for 75 cents on the dollar because I couldn't bring myself to root for him and I made a mistake drafting him.

This is without question my last year doing FF. I hate it more every year. It's all people give a shit about now, rooting for your favorite team has taken a back seat to rooting for your fantasy team, and especially going to games and listening to schmucks bitch about their fantasy team instead of paying attention to what's going on in the game they are at. It drives me crazy. I've been doing fantasy for 14 years, but I have already told the commish to start looking for someone to fill my spot next year. I didn't want to do it this year but did because I told them late i wanted out and they had a hard time finding someone.

It used to be fun, but now people are so consumed by it and in my opinion it takes away from the enjoyment of games and just rooting against teams you hate and rooting for teams you love.

Obviously I'm in the minority on this otherwise it wouldn't be so popular, but that's just how I feel.



You keep using the example of "other people" and having their priorities out of order. You quitting wont change that one iota. People will still talk about their teams at Giants games you attend. Your quitting wont lead to any kind of national crusade against the hobby.

Sounds like you are the one maybe pulling for your fantasy guys a little too much. That's fine, its understandable - I'm guilty of that as well... but just something i found from reading your post.


As far as Lesean McCoy, he's been miserable but I'd like to see what he can do with the o-line back. Kelce in particular was a huge loss.



Honest to God, most weeks I don't even know the players I'm playing against until Sunday night when I finally decide to check my score. That's the biggest reason why I'm quitting, I've gotten to the point where I don't care at all about it anymore, and if I'm going to criticize people for how they act about fantasy football, how could I then continue to participate in it myself? I hate dealing with the people in my league always arguing over trades, complaining that new rules need to be put into place, etc etc. I get zero enjoyment out of fantasy football anymore. That's why I'm quitting, doesn't seem like a good decision to drop 200-300 dollars every year on something that I don't enjoy whatsoever.

The other stuff will still annoy me like the stuff at games where people somehow cheer because their fantasy guy scored against the Giants. That's not going to change obviously.
RE: RE: haha  
JoeMoney19 : 10/29/2014 11:01 am : link
In comment 11946341 Exit 172 said:
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In comment 11946328 UConn4523 said:


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people are way too serious. Sure I want to win fantasy but at the end of the day, a player will do well or poorly despite me rooting for or against them.

People don't seem to get that.


Exactly. People also don't seem to get that fantasy football is basically predictions. You make season-long predictions at the draft and then single-game predictions when you set your starting lineup each week. And the best predictions are the ones that are devoid of emotions and rooting interests.

If you have Dez Bryant, you didn't draft him and you're not routinely starting him because you love rooting for him to help the Cowboys win. You drafted him and you're starting him because you predict that he will have great stats.

If you're a Giants fan who plays fantasy football but avoids players on division rivals, you're probably the sucker in your league.

...I have Dez too, haha.

For me fantasy makes the other, non-NFC East games more interesting to watch/follow. If one of my players is in a game affecting the Giants, I'll obviously still be rooting for the pro-Giants outcome, but within that context hoping my player puts up some stats.

I hear what people are saying about tracking other games while they're actually at a live Giants game, but I have a hard time understanding how it has a dramatic impact on your experience at the stadium. Maybe the crowd involvement isn't as intense but there are numerous other factors contributing to that.

Still clear as mud on what to do about the McCoy offer. I'll probably roll the dice.
That to me is the best part of fantasy  
MetsAreBack : 10/29/2014 11:07 am : link
i watch so much more football now, including RedZone, than i otherwise would if I didnt have fantasy football in my life. You think i'm watching this thursday's Panthers/Saints game if I dont have Mark Ingram on my team with my opponent having Kelvim Benjamin and Brandin Cooks?

No, I'd do something else like catch up on Ray Donovan or LA Millionaire Listings or something... but this gives me some rooting interest in a game i otherwise couldnt give a shit about.
Fantasy is the only thing that gets me to watch  
UConn4523 : 10/29/2014 11:12 am : link
non-Giants or non-premier games. The NFL blows so much now that its literally all I have going for me for pro football.
I could watch  
MookGiants : 10/29/2014 11:25 am : link
any NFL or college game regardless of fantasy. I also don't believe that the "NFL blows so much now". I bet on 2-3 NFL games a week, but I could watch all of the games even if I didn't bet.

I do enjoy watching college football more than the NFL though, non-Giants NFL vs a big college game I would take the college every time.
RE: I could watch  
UConn4523 : 10/29/2014 11:29 am : link
In comment 11946419 MookGiants said:
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any NFL or college game regardless of fantasy. I also don't believe that the "NFL blows so much now". I bet on 2-3 NFL games a week, but I could watch all of the games even if I didn't bet.

I do enjoy watching college football more than the NFL though, non-Giants NFL vs a big college game I would take the college every time.


My comment was my personal view. I certainly don't think everyone agrees with me and if you gamble, i get why its interesting. Fantasy is gambling as well so I honestly don't see any difference between betting on games and drafting the best possible players.
It's a job! I count it as a  
kmed : 10/29/2014 11:31 am : link
2nd income. I'm guessing mook just sucks at it. I'd like to join a league with rocky, easy money. Where is that crazy SOB anyway?
Re: mccoy...  
kmed : 10/29/2014 11:33 am : link
depends on what you are trading to get him. I certainly wouldn't trade for him based on his draft value, but I'd trade for him if the cost was relative to his current production.
Fantasy football is not gambling,  
kmed : 10/29/2014 11:34 am : link
unless you are talking about those weekly leagues. That's gsmblimg.
I wouldn't  
MookGiants : 10/29/2014 11:35 am : link
say I'm the best at it but I'm also not bad, either. I've won my league twice in 13 years. 12-14 teams in it each year, recently went to 14.

If I sucked at it, I would have gotten out long ago. I'd say I'm decent, not great. Definitely getting worse at it though because in the last couple years I have put zero time into preparing or keeping up with my team as far as getting guys off the waiver wire especially early in the year, I just don't pay attention to box scores anymore or follow it to know who to pick up so I never wind up getting those important pick ups.
the government  
MookGiants : 10/29/2014 11:37 am : link
doesn't consider fantasy football gambling. I completely disagree with that, but that's what they say, that it's a game of "skill". If it's a game of skill then so is picking teams against the point spread
i didn't mean gambling in the literal sense  
UConn4523 : 10/29/2014 11:43 am : link
I meant that you are still picking teams or players to either win, play really well, or cover some point of point based spread. This has nothing to do with government regulations. I'm merely saying that if you are taking the Eagles at home +3 against whoever, then I don't see why having McCoy on your team and wanting him to get points is any different.
I never have  
MookGiants : 10/29/2014 11:44 am : link
and never will bet on the Eagles. I would rather lose money.
I rarely  
MookGiants : 10/29/2014 11:45 am : link
bet against them either because I know I can't be unbiased when it comes to them so better off just not betting on anything involving them
I will say this, though.  
Exit 172 : 10/29/2014 11:50 am : link
The prime-time game threads on here are pretty rough reads these days because 75% of the posts seem to be "Ugh! I needed Ronnie Hillman to score there!" or "Please...anyone can score on Green Bay other than Nelson, Lacy, or a Crosby field goal..."

I have two fantasy teams, but I can't for the life of me imagine that anyone on here cares which players will help me or hurt me in my fantasy games. It's one thing to make a fantasy-related remark about a player who has an unusually great statistical game. But the drive-by-drive commentary on whose yardage and lack of yardage will help and hurt everyone in their fantasy games is some of the worst reading on this board.
Exit, agreed!  
kmed : 10/29/2014 11:54 am : link
Game threads are fantasy threads, it's so annoying.

Another thing that annoys me is the woe is me crowd. Some people think they are the only ones who have the worst luck. Woe is me. Luck plays a roll and sometimes you are lucky and sometimes unlucky, stop bitching about it!
I passed on DeMarco Murray in the 2nd round this year  
slickwilly : 10/29/2014 11:59 am : link
pretty much due to my hate of the Cowboys. Not working out to well for me so far as I picked B Marshall instead.
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