A game 7 in the world series has a sarting matchup between Jeremy Guthrie and Tim Hudson? Nice!
Back to back shutout games in the last two contests between these two teams. Who are you pulling for tonight? I got Kansas City winning on their home field tonight 6-5. Hopefully we see some great baseball tonight
Game 7's are always great, no matter what the sport. With a championship on the line, even more special.
I just hope it is a competitive game, 6 of the 7 games have been won by 5 or more runs.
If it starts to play out like last night where Hudson gets yanked early and he immediatly goes to Bumgarner...then why not start him in the first place?
If it starts to play out like last night where Hudson gets yanked early and he immediatly goes to Bumgarner...then why not start him in the first place?
because he's not going to be able to give you more than a couple innings.
You have to play him if he can handle it though. He's been too damn good and even just the mentality of having to face him can play a huge role.
I don't need it to be the most popular sport in the country. As a matter of fact, I prefer the slipping in popularity. Look at the NFL. EVERYONE is a "fan". And look how it has affected the game.
Keep baseball to those who truly enjoy the game. That's how I prefer it anyway.
Game Seven, the two best words in sports
I think the Giants would be thrilled to get four innings out of Hudson.
Listening to Francessa to start his 1pm show, he thinks starting Bumgarner is an option.....deflate the Royals right off the bat. You don't want KC getting an early jump on you.........they score on Hudson, it can quickly become a six inning game.
I think the Giants would be thrilled to get four innings out of Hudson.
Listening to Francessa to start his 1pm show, he thinks starting Bumgarner is an option.....deflate the Royals right off the bat. You don't want KC getting an early jump on you.........they score on Hudson, it can quickly become a six inning game.
I don't think he starts tonight. But (as you say) if they can get 4 innings from Hudson, the specter of Bumgarner looming in a relief role will be a huge mental advantage for SFG.
And speaking of the mental part of the game - Royals are not only feeling pretty good about themselves after last night's laugher, but they also know they got to Petit for a few runs, so when he pitches again tonight there won't be that fear factor.
Should be a good one. All hands on deck, as it were...
If you are a Giants fan, you have to pray he has a better outing then what Peavy put up last night.
Agree. It was curious he didn't go with Lincecum after Petit last night...
Bochy wouldnt even use him in that marathon game 2 against the Nationals. I would be shocked if he used him tonight
I'm really looking forward to this game...
Hudson is rested, and can go as many innings as needed - assuming he pitches well (no small assumption of course). You don't want to start Bumgarner and KNOW you will have to dig into your pen early; you cross that bridge if you get there, but you don't want to go down that rabbit hole if possible.
Hudson is a veteran guy who has pitched in big games before, he's not some rookie.
That said, he'll have a very short leash (as will Guthrie).
Bochy probably wants to have Bumgarner kind of looming behind Hudson so that KC feels like they've got to get their runs early. It'll add a little mental pressure.
Oh but the Royals are totally an awesome team, the class of the league.
Ok you can pull Hudson now
That wasn't Hudson who cut it off, it was Belt. And he really had no reason to cut it off considering Perez is going to go station to station at this point
That was Belt. Try to pay attention.
Great play by Panik
you still think he doesn't slip even if gloved?
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did Infante bare hand that? He has to know who is running. Jesus that was stupid, he has him easy if he simply gloves it
you still think he doesn't slip even if gloved?
He could have slipped, but trying to grab it bare handed had him flat footed and caused him to slip.
No rule against it because it is a base that you can't run through like you can at home.
No thanks. Nothing special in the regular season, not a bad player by any stretch but he will be paid like he were a great player. Yankees need to learn from prior mistakes, don't pay decent players like they're great.
He's had a great post-season, but he's not a great player.
huh? If they get three scoreless from him they will hand the ball to Romo and Casilla. If Petit comes in at this point the Giants probably gave up the lead
Makes zero sense to bunt there, let Escobar swing away
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Take a good look at the Panda. Like a younger Popi. The guy is a player.
No thanks. Nothing special in the regular season, not a bad player by any stretch but he will be paid like he were a great player. Yankees need to learn from prior mistakes, don't pay decent players like they're great.
He's had a great post-season, but he's not a great player.
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Take a good look at the Panda. Like a younger Popi. The guy is a player.
No thanks. Nothing special in the regular season, not a bad player by any stretch but he will be paid like he were a great player. Yankees need to learn from prior mistakes, don't pay decent players like they're great.
He's had a great post-season, but he's not a great player.
money player not afraid of big spots the yanks have no guys like that now.
Never played in New York, never been a great regular season player. Sure, he's been very good in the post-season to date. You don't pay guys like they're great because they're great in the post-season. He'll get his money, I just hope its from another team.
Also, just because he has been a great post-season player for the Giants doesn't mean he would be for the Yankees. Completely different environment. Never know how he'd react to it. We've seen guys be really good in big spots other places then come here and shit the bed in every big spot.
Didn't work, obviously, but it's higher percentage to bunt the runner and have two shots at a base hit to tie.
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I'm no baseball expert, but bunting one of your hottest hitters for a dude who is 0 for 16 or something against the pitcher makes no sense no?
Didn't work, obviously, but it's higher percentage to bunt the runner and have two shots at a base hit to tie.
At a 2-0 count no way is it higher percentage. Especially when the next guy is 0 for 16 against the pitcher too. The bunt, no matter which way you slice it, made zero sense.
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If he has an 8th the way he just had the 7th, I agree with you. The Royals are completely outmatched against him right now and hes not laboring one bit.
The problem is while he's been decent he's never really been a good hitter. He's been a good hitter 2 out of 6 full years and an average one the other 4. Expecting him to now become a consistently good hitter would be a mistake.
Too bad because I really wanted the Royals to win
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I'd seriously consider giving Sandoval money for 3B/DH. Yanks need good hitters like him.
The problem is while he's been decent he's never really been a good hitter. He's been a good hitter 2 out of 6 full years and an average one the other 4. Expecting him to now become a consistently good hitter would be a mistake.
I think what is so appealing about what he's done in this series is that he's hitting the other way, and none of our LH batters do that consistently except for maybe Ellsbury.
Left handed hitter would love short RF. Can also go the other way which a lot of our guys can't.
3 more outs
Baumgarner is taking this one home.
Yost got away with his asinine moves in the wild card play in game, he's not going to get away with this one.
I still have no idea why Bumgarner didn't start the game if they had him available for this many innings.
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would he be a beast at Yankee Stadium?
Left handed hitter would love short RF. Can also go the other way which a lot of our guys can't.
3 more outs
Baumgarner is taking this one home.
People automatically assume that will magically make a non home run hitter a home run hitter, like Ellsbury last year, how'd that work out?
He has 58 home runs in 4 years. Actually has more at home than on the road.
If they sign him, I'll be very surprised if it's not a really bad signing. He hasn't posted an 800+ OPS since 2011
What do you think about Resnyder and Bird? Do they get a shot at the big club this year?
Yeah son
What do you think about Resnyder and Bird? Do they get a shot at the big club this year?
If I had to guess, Bird will not, Refsnyder yes
Congrats Giants fans.
Intense
Amazing game. Bumgarner was amazing.
3 titles in 5 years, amazing accomplishment
How does Bochy explain not starting Bumgarner tonight? Forget that it worked out, he put Hudson out there for no reason. If not for his offense getting the 2 runs in the 2nd inning there's a good chance Bumgarner never is able to have that kind of impact in the game. Especially with the Royals bullpen, you should want him in there ASAP and not wait and potentially let the Royals jump out to a big lead.
He'll get praised for leaving him in, but I think it was a really dumb decision to not just let him start the game if he had 60+ pitches in him.
No not really
But a bet if Goosage is watching this he liked watching Brett cringe. Lol
He wa doing the tomahawk chop early in the game, he's a big FSU fan apparently. Didn't see what he was doing late in the game
Yankees (obviously)
A's (with Connie Mack in the dead ball era and the 3 in a row in the 1970s)
Red Sox (during WWI)
Cardinals (during and immediately after WWII, 1942, 1944, 1946)
How does Bochy explain not starting Bumgarner tonight? Forget that it worked out, he put Hudson out there for no reason. If not for his offense getting the 2 runs in the 2nd inning there's a good chance Bumgarner never is able to have that kind of impact in the game. Especially with the Royals bullpen, you should want him in there ASAP and not wait and potentially let the Royals jump out to a big lead.
He'll get praised for leaving him in, but I think it was a really dumb decision to not just let him start the game if he had 60+ pitches in him.
Agree..if they let him throw 60. Yost messed up with escobar bunting..great chance to get to Bumgarner off the bat when he was wild. Then, Gordon not making that a score. But, give it to Bumgarner..what a performance these WS's
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That is what I find head scratching with Bochy. He stated last night that Madison is "human" when asked why he wasn't starting him tonight.
If it starts to play out like last night where Hudson gets yanked early and he immediatly goes to Bumgarner...then why not start him in the first place?
because he's not going to be able to give you more than a couple innings.
Did you forget you posted this?
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That is what I find head scratching with Bochy. He stated last night that Madison is "human" when asked why he wasn't starting him tonight.
If it starts to play out like last night where Hudson gets yanked early and he immediatly goes to Bumgarner...then why not start him in the first place?
because he's not going to be able to give you more than a couple innings.
Did you forget you posted this?
Of course not. That's the only explanation for him not starting the game. But that clearly was not the case, I assumed it was since he was not starting. If he can give you 60+ pitches, you start him, no question
he basically just willed the team to win a postseason they had no business winning
He deserves it. Giants won 3 championships without ever having the most talented roster. Bochy knows how to manage a pen better than anyone around today
Probably but there was still lingering doubts because his overall managerial record is barely above .500. But tonight seals the deal for sure
Knowing that, you have to start him. His offense bailed him out because if the Royals get up in that game going into the 5th inning they are bringing the game home. He risked Hudson/Affeldt giving up 3-4 runs and never being able to use Bumgarner in a big spot to save him and I'm still puzzled why.
If he only has a couple innings, then you use him in the middle of the game wherever you need it. That's what everyone assumed going into the game. But based on what Bochy said, that was clearly not their plan.
I hope someone asks him about this in the post-game. I'm sure they'll all be too busy talking about how much of a genius he was saving him til the 5th.
Disgraceful from Ned Yost. 2-0 count and he squared around twice, you put a do not bunt sign on, take the decision out of his hands.
Cito Gaston (back to back with the Jays in 1992-1993)
Ralph Houk (back to back with the Yanks in 1961-1962)
Tom Kelly (Twins, 1987 and 1991)
So it's not a lock that a manager gets in with 2, although Murtaugh and Houk should be in the hall
But once a manager gets 3 they are in rarefied air. Only Stengel, McCarthy, Mack, Alston, Huggins, Sparky Anderson, Torre, La Russa and John McGraw won at least 3 before tonight. So Bochy is a HoF lock
1.02 ERA
Pitched in 7 games and the Giants won 6 of them. Only blemish was loss to Nats, in which he pitched 6 shutout innings and then tired in the 7th and gave up 3 runs.
Performance for the ages.
He is a multi-millionaire who is enjoying his wealth any way he wants. The Royals offered him a luxury suite, autographed jerseys, baseballs, bats and everything they could think of to move him out from behind the plate. He declined. Why?
"My friends won't see me up there.'
Freaking great to be independently wealthy!
Total "kick in the nuts" not winning. But they can get back.
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wearing a marlins jersey doing with his hands? What the fuck was that? Is that a grown man doing that? What the fuck?
He is a multi-millionaire who is enjoying his wealth any way he wants. The Royals offered him a luxury suite, autographed jerseys, baseballs, bats and everything they could think of to move him out from behind the plate. He declined. Why?
"My friends won't see me up there.'
Freaking great to be independently wealthy!
I think he's got a good amount of money but not sure if he's a multi-millionaire. Well I guess he could be because it sounds like for years he just saved all of his money as a lawyer with the anticipation of having kids buying a house getting married etc and that never happened, so now he's spending all of that money.
Good for him
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wearing a marlins jersey doing with his hands? What the fuck was that? Is that a grown man doing that? What the fuck?
He is a multi-millionaire who is enjoying his wealth any way he wants. The Royals offered him a luxury suite, autographed jerseys, baseballs, bats and everything they could think of to move him out from behind the plate. He declined. Why?
"My friends won't see me up there.'
Freaking great to be independently wealthy!
I think he's got a good amount of money but not sure if he's a multi-millionaire. Well I guess he could be because it sounds like for years he just saved all of his money as a lawyer with the anticipation of having kids buying a house getting married etc and that never happened, so now he's spending all of that money.
Good for him
I know that he tours the country's major sporting events. I also know that he lives in Florida. Maybe "multi-millionaire" is a bit speculative on my part. But the dude had one of the best seats in the house for the World Series. He must be doing quite well.
but last night was a very good number for baseball. This series absolutely needed it.
Such a shame. They always have those memories of booing Cano for no reason to console them.
In short, fuck em.
enough that there are several successfull websites dedicated solely to the dissemination of such information. Enough that virtually every major newspaper covers them to some degree. You may not care, many people do have an interest
Joe only does this so he can post the difference between MLB and the NBA. It gives him some sort of validation. Sad really.
but theres no need to beat this dead horse much longer. When you win head to head for 5 straight years, sign a tv deal worth double that of baseballs, and dwarf them in audience under 50, there is no need to dignify baseball with the comparison any longer
but theres no need to beat this dead horse much longer. When you win head to head for 5 straight years, sign a tv deal worth double that of baseballs, and dwarf them in audience under 50, there is no need to dignify baseball with the comparison any longer
Who the fuck cares but the insecure troll?
Youre more than insecure, youre certified batshit. Theres a long list of people here who know the deal with you. This goes 3 or 4 more posts youll probably be stalking me
Until then, I could not possibly care less. They have zero impact on me following the sports I follow.
Youre more than insecure, youre certified batshit. Theres a long list of people here who know the deal with you. This goes 3 or 4 more posts youll probably be stalking me
Several people have told you on multiple threads that you're trolling but you keep at it. That just screams self confidence. As far as stalking goes, I don't go near NBA threads. You're safe. Unless you continue to troll the baseball threads.
and i wasnt refering to online stalking, given your history those who have been around long enough know enough to know you go the extra mile.
You dont care about tv ratings. Good for you. Then a fly by single post on the matter shouldnt generate 4th and 5th replies out of you now. But it does.
I giggled.
and i wasnt refering to online stalking, given your history those who have been around long enough know enough to know you go the extra mile.
You dont care about tv ratings. Good for you. Then a fly by single post on the matter shouldnt generate 4th and 5th replies out of you now. But it does.
5-1? Some imagination you have there Joe. It was 4-2 against you, and the 2 who were in the conversation lasted a whole 6 posts total.
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Knowing that, you have to start him. His offense bailed him out because if the Royals get up in that game going into the 5th inning they are bringing the game home. He risked Hudson/Affeldt giving up 3-4 runs and never being able to use Bumgarner in a big spot to save him and I'm still puzzled why.
If he only has a couple innings, then you use him in the middle of the game wherever you need it. That's what everyone assumed going into the game. But based on what Bochy said, that was clearly not their plan.
I hope someone asks him about this in the post-game. I'm sure they'll all be too busy talking about how much of a genius he was saving him til the 5th.
He WAS a genius for bringing him in when he did.
As I said on another thread - the specter of Bumgarner looming was a HUGE physiological advantage.
If you start him, the Royals know he will only pitch 3,4, 5 innings tops, which means they will still have 4,5,6 innings on the back end to get runs. But by starting Hudson - who is not some 22 year old rookie, but a veteran who has pitched in big games - it forced to Royals to think "oh, shit, we better score early, because once Bumgarner comes in, the game is over". They scored two, but wasn't going to be nearly enough.
If you were the Royals, who would you rather face in the late innings - Bumgarner, or anyone else on that staff? Pretty easy answer...
But it's just annoying to hear about how baseball is dying a slow painful death when we just saw one of the greatest games of the last 25 years less than 24 hours ago.
We know that baseball's future isn't pretty but last night was just a hell of a game.
The series went 7 but it wasn't really an exciting series at all. But game 7 was just excellent.
I'm still in shock at how calm Bumgarner was after the game. It literally scares me how ho-hum he was about it. This guy showed absolutely no emotion after delivering one of the great sporting performances in recent memory. Even Eli always smiles and looks so happy when we win a SB, Bumgarner looked like he didn't care. His smile almost seemed forced lol. The definition of the phrase "ice water in his veins" should have a picture of Madison Bumgarner next to it.
who am i missing other than he and m.a.b on the thread im talking about.? And there is a good 5 or so posters discussing/mentioning the ratings at some point on the thread whether they were directly engaged in discussion with me or not. I was not even the first nor the 2nd person on that thread to mention the subject of tv ratings
It is quite eeery how this guy showed absolutely no emotion whatsoever. I guess that is just his personality, but you would think a guy who just completed one of the greatest pitching peformances in World Series History might be a little more excited?
But, he is only 25 and has pitched in three different WS already, so I guess it could be the "been there, done that" attitude.
who am i missing other than he and m.a.b on the thread im talking about.? And there is a good 5 or so posters discussing/mentioning the ratings at some point on the thread whether they were directly engaged in discussion with me or not. I was not even the first nor the 2nd person on that thread to mention the subject of tv ratings
I have no particular issue with a ratings discussion, I think it is relevant to the future of the game. The problem people have is that you seem to have a bizarre fixation with shitting on baseball to bolster the relevant position of your own preferred sport, basketball. Which is off-putting and a little strange.
duned, thats always been the natural comparison because of their relative closeness.
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basically just said they had his pitch count about where he ended, so figure 70.
Knowing that, you have to start him. His offense bailed him out because if the Royals get up in that game going into the 5th inning they are bringing the game home. He risked Hudson/Affeldt giving up 3-4 runs and never being able to use Bumgarner in a big spot to save him and I'm still puzzled why.
If he only has a couple innings, then you use him in the middle of the game wherever you need it. That's what everyone assumed going into the game. But based on what Bochy said, that was clearly not their plan.
I hope someone asks him about this in the post-game. I'm sure they'll all be too busy talking about how much of a genius he was saving him til the 5th.
He WAS a genius for bringing him in when he did.
As I said on another thread - the specter of Bumgarner looming was a HUGE physiological advantage.
If you start him, the Royals know he will only pitch 3,4, 5 innings tops, which means they will still have 4,5,6 innings on the back end to get runs. But by starting Hudson - who is not some 22 year old rookie, but a veteran who has pitched in big games - it forced to Royals to think "oh, shit, we better score early, because once Bumgarner comes in, the game is over". They scored two, but wasn't going to be nearly enough.
If you were the Royals, who would you rather face in the late innings - Bumgarner, or anyone else on that staff? Pretty easy answer...
Speedy, the problem is if the Royals had the lead going into the 5th inning the game was over imo. I don't think they had a prayer to score against that bullpen in the late innings. It was very risky, in the end he was bailed out by his offense getting a few runs. If that game is 3-1 going into the 5th you can turn the lights out on the Giants season. I know Casilla hasn't pitched in a while but he hasn't given up a run in a post season game in what seems like forever and the Giants have a pretty nice bullpen themselves. Think they played with fire rolling 39 year old Hudson and Affeldt out there for the first 4 innings. Hudson has been pretty damn lousy in the playoffs too
Agreed. Reminds me of Butler hoops a few years ago, who managed to get back only to lose again.
But there was a moment yesterday during the Knicks game where they were down by 25 and they covered 1/4 of the screen with a huge Taylor Swift advertisement. It was embarrassing. I know ads are everywhere throughout all of sports but that was just so shameless and so removed from anything on the court. There was no respect for the team getting blown out and the announcers were flat out giddy during their part of the ad.
I was with a few buddies and all of us were cringing. You may love the fact that basketball is getting better ratings, but in my experience, so many of the people watching really don't give a shit about basketball, especially compared to baseball or hockey where almost everyone watching is emotionally invested.
Baseball is a game. Basketball (or more specifically, the NBA) is a cheesy production that is more interested in plastering celebrities on the screen than presenting a quality game.
And again... this is all coming from someone who is contributing to the rising ratings.
Eh, the Aoki ball may have been caught by Ishikawa. Nice play but that was more positioning than anything. Not an easy catch but not a hard one either, not sure of the other one you're thinking of.
Perez defense almost turned a double into an inside the park home run too.
The guy who really saved Bochy imo was Panik. That rocket off of Hosmer's bat gets by him like it does most and i dont think the Giants ever get the lead in that game again. The flip was great too. Affeldt was about to make a mess of that inning
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There were at least 2 balls that Ishikawa doesn't catch.
Eh, the Aoki ball may have been caught by Ishikawa. Nice play but that was more positioning than anything. Not an easy catch but not a hard one either, not sure of the other one you're thinking of.
Perez defense almost turned a double into an inside the park home run too.
The guy who really saved Bochy imo was Panik. That rocket off of Hosmer's bat gets by him like it does most and i dont think the Giants ever get the lead in that game again. The flip was great too. Affeldt was about to make a mess of that inning
The Aoki ball was not a difficult catch for an every day outfielder. The same can be said about the one Moustakas hit when Gordon tagged to 3rd. Ishikawa is not an outfielder.
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Think they played with fire rolling 39 year old Hudson and Affeldt out there for the first 4 innings. Hudson has been pretty damn lousy in the playoffs too
I thought Bochy played that perfectly - he took Hudson out at the first sign of trouble. Personally I would have went with Petit instead of Affeldt, but Bochy certainly knows his guys.
Again, I didn't have an issue with Hudson since he is a veteran and has been in big games before. If his choice was Vogelsong (or anyone else for that matter) - then yeah, I would have chosen Bumgarner no question...
Giants have been pretty lousy at drafting position players under Sabean but g-ddamn, they know how to grow pitchers!
That one went right over your head, huh? He's not talking about the quality of the basketball, he's talking about the presentation of the game.
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Think they played with fire rolling 39 year old Hudson and Affeldt out there for the first 4 innings. Hudson has been pretty damn lousy in the playoffs too
I thought Bochy played that perfectly - he took Hudson out at the first sign of trouble. Personally I would have went with Petit instead of Affeldt, but Bochy certainly knows his guys.
Again, I didn't have an issue with Hudson since he is a veteran and has been in big games before. If his choice was Vogelsong (or anyone else for that matter) - then yeah, I would have chosen Bumgarner no question...
Giants have been pretty lousy at drafting position players under Sabean but g-ddamn, they know how to grow pitchers!
You bring in Affeldt because he hasn't given up a run in forever and he's a lefthander facing a heavily left handed lineup. Petit had given up 5 hits in his WS appearances.
With regards to payroll, get back to me when the cap rises from the national tv deal that doubled baseball up. That was a game changer, and when it kicks in the landscape changes even more
baseball still does well regionally. All in all, they and the nba are still highly comparable in terms of popularity. But if you cant see how things are trending, i dont know what to tell you. And when you look at the demographics, this is a trend that has not even come close to reaching its peak. The average age of the world series viewer was 55. Where does that put them a generation from now?
Then you really did miss the point. I sit through 3.5 hour football games where they play football for about 20 minutes. I get that ads are part of sports, especially popular sports.
This wasn't just an ad. This was an agenda to promote themselves as a beacon of celebrity involvement as much as it was an ad for Taylor Swift. The Knicks announcers were clamoring over her when they should've been subdued as the hometown team was getting schooled in their home opener.
Nobody involved really seemed to care about what was happening on the court.
This wasn't just an ad. It both an ad for Taylor Swift and a self-gratifying "look at us, Taylor Swift is here!" message. No one really cared what was happening with the New York Knicks.
but last night was a very good number for baseball. This series absolutely needed it.
Haha yeah Joe... that wasn't your intention at all.
With regards to payroll, get back to me when the cap rises from the national tv deal that doubled baseball up. That was a game changer, and when it kicks in the landscape changes even more
baseball still does well regionally. All in all, they and the nba are still highly comparable in terms of popularity. But if you cant see how things are trending, i dont know what to tell you. And when you look at the demographics, this is a trend that has not even come close to reaching its peak. The average age of the world series viewer was 55. Where does that put them a generation from now?
If you want to measure relevance in terms word series ratings I don't know what to tell you. Other numbers tell a more complete story, e.g. attendance where 15 MLB teams average more than 30k a game. You really think it's all a bunch of geezers in attendance? Keep in mind that's over 81 games.
And folks have already predicted how far NBA payrolls will increase, and they will still fall way short of where most MLB payrolls were LAST year.
The demographics have been trending the same way for years yet the regional baseball networks have made long term bets in the billions on MLB. I think they know what they're doing. The friggin Texas Rangers get $80 million a year on their local TV deal. That's before they sell a single ticket, dip into the mlb.com money (which is huge), or their national TV deal. Money talks.
if i dont like something, i dont watch. I think im like 99 percent of people. This fantasy land you paint where a big portion of the audience is tuning in just to see who is sitting courtside is well beyond ridiculous
MLB teams do the same thing with payroll.Regardless, we can look at revenues:
MLB last year: $8.0-$8.5 billion
NBA last year: $4.6 billion
(per Forbes)
And this is after 10+ years of LeBron, probably the most well known athlete (excluding soccer) in the world being center stage.
Within a decade, the nba should surpass mlb in revenues as well. Within a generation, we wont even recognize them as competitors. A generation ago, they werent even on the same planet
thats it for me though, mean it this time.
Within a decade, the nba should surpass mlb in revenues as well. Within a generation, we wont even recognize them as competitors. A generation ago, they werent even on the same planet
thats it for me though, mean it this time.
and then MLB will leapfrog them when their deal is up. Discount it all you want, but the fact that the NBA is still WAY behind MLB in revenues in a post MJ/LeBron/globalization world tells a lot more of the story than the World Series ratings you bring up every year. Even the national TV deal is still only part of the story as MLB simply kills NBA in attendance and local TV money. Not to mention online revenue.
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And those figures dont account for the new national tv deal which doesnt kick in for 2 more years, triples the deal they are currently operating under and doubles baseballs deal. They also have a slew of local tv deals coming up for renogiation in the next 2 years.
Within a decade, the nba should surpass mlb in revenues as well. Within a generation, we wont even recognize them as competitors. A generation ago, they werent even on the same planet
thats it for me though, mean it this time.
and then MLB will leapfrog them when their deal is up. Discount it all you want, but the fact that the NBA is still WAY behind MLB in revenues in a post MJ/LeBron/globalization world tells a lot more of the story than the World Series ratings you bring up every year. Even the national TV deal is still only part of the story as MLB simply kills NBA in attendance and local TV money. Not to mention online revenue.
The MLB has twice the number of games and they're played in much larger venues, it would be pretty embarrassing if they didn't surpass them in attendance. I'm not much of a basketball fan, I generally don't watch non-Knicks games (and as bad as they've been that limits my options) and on the whole I find basketball pretty boring, but I certainly understand that people feel differently.
But that's my second point. It is conventional smart-people wisdom that it is slower, but it's not just a question of covering the distance. You have to land in stride on a particular piece of real estate. That means you likely have to lengthen or shorten your stride to do it. If so how much difference does it make for the average runner?
"In 1992, nearly half the teams in the sport (12 of 26) drew less than 2 million customers. By 2013, the 30 clubs averaged nearly 2.5 million per franchise, with eight of them topping 3 million."
Keep in mind this has taken place as most teams are playing in smaller stadiums. Surging revenue and attendance does not indicate a sport in decline.
It's probably an instinctive adjustment you make as you get closer, but your sprinter stride whether you are tall or short is going to cover several feet so intuitively you're unlikely to be primed to land perfectly on the bag.
"In 1992, nearly half the teams in the sport (12 of 26) drew less than 2 million customers. By 2013, the 30 clubs averaged nearly 2.5 million per franchise, with eight of them topping 3 million."
Keep in mind this has taken place as most teams are playing in smaller stadiums. Surging revenue and attendance does not indicate a sport in decline.
It's a fair point and a good one, but attendance peaked in the last decade, at the tail end of the steroid era, and has fallen slightly and plateaued since then. Increases in attendance tracked population increases and expansion more than particular increases in enthusiasm, though minor league baseball has become popular in the same timeframe. Baseball has largely disappeared from network television in most places absent a game of the week and the postseason (really just the WS, FS1 had a number of postseason games). As a percentage, fewer people are watching the World Series unless it's the Yankees, Cards or the Sox or a mid-market that has been absent for awhile. They did a good job taking advantage of new media and that is positive, but on the whole things aren't particularly promising. With the retirement of Jeter who in the game is truly recognizable to non-fans? Maybe David Ortiz, maybe.
It's to the point now where you get excited when the NLCS and ALCS are on the same day and one plays at 4:30!
Within a decade, the nba should surpass mlb in revenues as well. Within a generation, we wont even recognize them as competitors. A generation ago, they werent even on the same planet
Congrats! Job well done. What do you win?
And believing people were 5-1 or even 4-2 in favor of you trolling the game 2 thread is hilarious. First, 4 people might have made one passing 1 or 2 line post to the comment. That hardly shows significant interest in the subject that has been discussed ad nausuem on this site now.
Second, Mook and I were just the only ones who bothered to call you out on it. Most people just ignore you at this point.
But by all means, proceed with your mission to prove that basketball is just the bestest.
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Think they played with fire rolling 39 year old Hudson and Affeldt out there for the first 4 innings. Hudson has been pretty damn lousy in the playoffs too
I thought Bochy played that perfectly - he took Hudson out at the first sign of trouble. Personally I would have went with Petit instead of Affeldt, but Bochy certainly knows his guys.
Again, I didn't have an issue with Hudson since he is a veteran and has been in big games before. If his choice was Vogelsong (or anyone else for that matter) - then yeah, I would have chosen Bumgarner no question...
Giants have been pretty lousy at drafting position players under Sabean but g-ddamn, they know how to grow pitchers!
You bring in Affeldt because he hasn't given up a run in forever and he's a lefthander facing a heavily left handed lineup. Petit had given up 5 hits in his WS appearances.
And Petit had been lights out the entire playoffs before that, and was getting out both lefties and righties very consistently. Not to mention that Petit could have gone deeper in the game that Affeldt could, if need be. Obviously, Bochy knew he was going to bring in Bumgarner so he didn't need a long guy...
Yeah he went to John Jay in Dutchess County (also where I went, although I graduated in 2004). I have friends who played on travel teams and stuff with him, plus he was on the Varsity team when he was in 8th Grade (my Senior year), so even though I don't know him, a lot my friends do, and everyone's pretty pumped here. I was actually rooting for KC, but a local guy from my High School winning, and making a huge play is pretty awesome.
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and those making money (Leagues/Owners), who really cares about TV ratings?
enough that there are several successfull websites dedicated solely to the dissemination of such information. Enough that virtually every major newspaper covers them to some degree. You may not care, many people do have an interest
Thad all white noise, there's websites and companies devoted to the dumbest shit on the planet. It's like saying the waterboy is a good movie since it did well at the box office.
I don't care about NBA ratings on a MLB thread. You come off as having AJ agenda and its rubs people the wrong way. Who cares about TV ratings yet again?
I don't think you would ever see this scene in NYC after a win or loss...ever.
Don't get me wrong, NBA players are freakishly talented and are on another planet when it comes to what they do but watching those games and story lines the media tries to create are so uninteresting. Last night was everything about the NBA that I hate. Lebron lost in his homecoming party to the Knicks. Wow. Who cares? Not me certainly. Not to say that I'm watching every baseball game every day in the summer but I'm not going to pretend like the NBA games arent a snooze fest, for me personally. Same goes with college basketball. Whether the ratings are up or not, I think that I have a firm grasp on what I can choose to watch or not to watch.
It's early in the morning, I apologize if I missed the sarcasm.
By the way, I liked how JoeMP kept referring to "we" as far as the NBA and its ratings vs baseball. As if he has anything to do whatsoever with the NBA. Narcissism at its best.
I like you as a poster, but man do you really love to inject your hatred for baseball. Especially you, someone who loves politics and appreciates Anerican history cannot grasp the importance of baseball in our society from a historical standpoint.
Let's keep in mind about baseball too, while it isn't the same from a national perspective, regionally it dominated in the ratings from all the local teams, so people still do care.
It's early in the morning, I apologize if I missed the sarcasm.
By the way, I liked how JoeMP kept referring to "we" as far as the NBA and its ratings vs baseball. As if he has anything to do whatsoever with the NBA. Narcissism at its best.
His handle is not about the baseball team.
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maybe you were being facetious, but "San Fran Giants fan" poster doesn't like baseball? ....and wouldn't watch the team he named his handle after in Game 7?
It's early in the morning, I apologize if I missed the sarcasm.
By the way, I liked how JoeMP kept referring to "we" as far as the NBA and its ratings vs baseball. As if he has anything to do whatsoever with the NBA. Narcissism at its best.
His handle is not about the baseball team.
maybe he didn't enjoy the rioting that occurred after each SF Giants WS victories
His handle is not about the baseball team.
I mean i'm not sure why I should care - but if "San Fran Giants fan" isn't about the baseball team, then what is it about? I mean "Mets are Back" isn't about the Mets? You don't have anything to do with Exit 172 off some turnpike?
What is this world coming to?
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His handle is not about the baseball team.
I mean i'm not sure why I should care - but if "San Fran Giants fan" isn't about the baseball team, then what is it about? I mean "Mets are Back" isn't about the Mets? You don't have anything to do with Exit 172 off some turnpike?
What is this world coming to?
Watch your fucking tone. Highway signs are everything. Some turnpike? I think it's the GSP he's referring to...
"Sarcasm off"
Well then that's just a very poorly thought out handle (unlike MAB). SanFranNYGiantsFan... or SanFranNYGfan.... much much clearer.
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Well then that's just a very poorly thought out handle (unlike MAB). SanFranNYGiantsFan... or SanFranNYGfan.... much much clearer.
I actually think MetsAreBack is one of the worst handles on here. No offense. You include a baseball team in your handle on a football message board? Kind of ...odd. Unless you're yankees78 ;-)
Plus, Mets are back from what?
How is it his fault if he lives in SF and there's a Giants team there? It's not as lame as "NewJerseyGiantsFan" !!
plus, it still works:
-Mets are back.. to sucking
-Mets are back... to the golf course
Anyway, I could change it but that would be very JoeMP of me (though I do admit that MoM is a very good handle)
I will say though, how strange that someone thinks mentioning a baseball team on a football message board is "one of the worst handles here" Just wreaks of an agenda.
First of all, its proven fact that anything with a "z" in the handle is the worst. Second, no offense to Greg from LI.... but (Person X) from (Place Y) ... sounds like someone calling into WFAN. Lacks any originality whatsoever.
And Finally, since we're on the subject, I just want to say that the worst poster here is Brett. There, cat's out of the bag. Happy Saturday Brett. Mediocre Fuck.