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NFT: World Series Game 7 Tonight

Route 9 in LEH : 10/29/2014 11:29 am
A game 7 in the world series has a sarting matchup between Jeremy Guthrie and Tim Hudson? Nice!

Back to back shutout games in the last two contests between these two teams. Who are you pulling for tonight? I got Kansas City winning on their home field tonight 6-5. Hopefully we see some great baseball tonight
Conflicted.  
GiantFilthy : 10/29/2014 11:31 am : link
Pulling for the Royals to win against the Giants bullpen after a dominant outing from Hudson.
I wonder how quickly  
figgy2989 : 10/29/2014 11:33 am : link
Bochy would go to Bumgarner out of the pen if needed.

Game 7's are always great, no matter what the sport. With a championship on the line, even more special.

I just hope it is a competitive game, 6 of the 7 games have been won by 5 or more runs.
hopefully KC  
UConn4523 : 10/29/2014 11:34 am : link
but if Bumgarner plays a big role tonight I'm guessing they win. He's got a shot at 5-0 in the WS and an overall 8-3 playoff record....all at 25 years old.
UConn  
figgy2989 : 10/29/2014 11:39 am : link
That is what I find head scratching with Bochy. He stated last night that Madison is "human" when asked why he wasn't starting him tonight.

If it starts to play out like last night where Hudson gets yanked early and he immediatly goes to Bumgarner...then why not start him in the first place?
RE: UConn  
MookGiants : 10/29/2014 11:40 am : link
In comment 11946458 figgy2989 said:
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That is what I find head scratching with Bochy. He stated last night that Madison is "human" when asked why he wasn't starting him tonight.

If it starts to play out like last night where Hudson gets yanked early and he immediatly goes to Bumgarner...then why not start him in the first place?


because he's not going to be able to give you more than a couple innings.
a lot can change in the next 7-8 hours  
UConn4523 : 10/29/2014 11:41 am : link
maybe he wakes up this morning and feels amazing and gets the nod. I'd love to see him start though I doubt that happens. Maybe putting him in after a couple innings.

You have to play him if he can handle it though. He's been too damn good and even just the mentality of having to face him can play a huge role.
I really, really want to be able to enjoy this Game 7,  
Exit 172 : 10/29/2014 11:41 am : link
but I'll be too devastated to concentrate because the TV ratings have been down.
Understood  
figgy2989 : 10/29/2014 11:43 am : link
Just curious to see how it plays out. If he ends up pitching out of the pen tonight and is effective (for whatever amount of innings) and the Giants lose....

As a huge baseball fan  
mac attack : 10/29/2014 1:05 pm : link
I don't give a rat's ass about TV ratings.

I don't need it to be the most popular sport in the country. As a matter of fact, I prefer the slipping in popularity. Look at the NFL. EVERYONE is a "fan". And look how it has affected the game.

Keep baseball to those who truly enjoy the game. That's how I prefer it anyway.
can't wait  
Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy : 10/29/2014 1:11 pm : link
the relief pitching available for this game is ridiculous. If the starters both do their job, this one could be a classic. Rooting for extra innings.
no away team has won the world series game 7 since 1979  
GMAN4LIFE : 10/29/2014 1:11 pm : link
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Go Royals  
dpinzow : 10/29/2014 1:17 pm : link
would love to see them win it...

Game Seven, the two best words in sports
There's no doubt...  
BillKo : 10/29/2014 1:38 pm : link
Bumgarner pitches tonight...just a question of how much.

I think the Giants would be thrilled to get four innings out of Hudson.

Listening to Francessa to start his 1pm show, he thinks starting Bumgarner is an option.....deflate the Royals right off the bat. You don't want KC getting an early jump on you.........they score on Hudson, it can quickly become a six inning game.
Celebrating low ratings and unpopularity...  
Dunedin81 : 10/29/2014 1:41 pm : link
seems pretty silly. It's about the long-term health of the league, about ensuring that kids continue to play the game so you're getting top quality competition and that the postseason is on network TV, and that stadiums continue to be full.
Go Giants  
Vin R : 10/29/2014 1:42 pm : link
... what I did there?
See*  
Vin R : 10/29/2014 1:42 pm : link
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RE: There's no doubt...  
speedywheels : 10/29/2014 1:43 pm : link
In comment 11946737 BillKo said:
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Bumgarner pitches tonight...just a question of how much.

I think the Giants would be thrilled to get four innings out of Hudson.

Listening to Francessa to start his 1pm show, he thinks starting Bumgarner is an option.....deflate the Royals right off the bat. You don't want KC getting an early jump on you.........they score on Hudson, it can quickly become a six inning game.


I don't think he starts tonight. But (as you say) if they can get 4 innings from Hudson, the specter of Bumgarner looming in a relief role will be a huge mental advantage for SFG.

And speaking of the mental part of the game - Royals are not only feeling pretty good about themselves after last night's laugher, but they also know they got to Petit for a few runs, so when he pitches again tonight there won't be that fear factor.

Should be a good one. All hands on deck, as it were...
I don't think he starts either...  
BillKo : 10/29/2014 1:46 pm : link
but Giants starting pitching will again be on the shortest hook of the year......they can't fall behind.
Just heard this on the radio  
figgy2989 : 10/29/2014 1:48 pm : link
Hudson at 39 is the oldest pitcher to ever start a game 7 of the world series....

If you are a Giants fan, you have to pray he has a better outing then what Peavy put up last night.
I hope we get some drama tonight..  
Sean : 10/29/2014 1:50 pm : link
for a 7 game series, it hasn't been great due to the lopsided games. I hope tonight goes right to the wire.
I have a sneaky suspicion....  
BillKo : 10/29/2014 1:57 pm : link
....Lincecum is going to have some say in tonight's game (good or bad)....I have a feeling BB looks to him in some capacity tonight.
Everybody's up  
Frolls : 10/29/2014 2:22 pm : link
This is great not only is it game 7 and not only were there a lot of great plays in the six so far, but these teams are easy to root for. I like most of the guys and they seem to be all cut from the same cloth. Hard working team guys!!! Don't get me wrong I am an avid NFL fan but I don't like all the me-me attitude of most of the players and all the reasoning by the sports media that acting like a moron is somehow related to how much you want to win. I'm going for KC but I love Pablo Sandovar.
RE: I have a sneaky suspicion....  
speedywheels : 10/29/2014 2:42 pm : link
In comment 11946772 BillKo said:
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....Lincecum is going to have some say in tonight's game (good or bad)....I have a feeling BB looks to him in some capacity tonight.


Agree. It was curious he didn't go with Lincecum after Petit last night...
If Lincecum  
MookGiants : 10/29/2014 2:44 pm : link
has a say in the game tonight it will not be a good thing for the Giants.

Bochy wouldnt even use him in that marathon game 2 against the Nationals. I would be shocked if he used him tonight
If the  
Metnut : 10/29/2014 2:50 pm : link
Giants gameplan involves using Bumgarner for 2-3 innings, then they should just let him start the game and have the "starter" ready to go once Bumgarner shows signs of tiring.
It's game 7, he'll get used  
speedywheels : 10/29/2014 2:50 pm : link
even if just for a few batters. This is for all the marbles. But to your point, it might not be a good thing.

I'm really looking forward to this game...
RE: If the  
speedywheels : 10/29/2014 2:54 pm : link
In comment 11946902 Metnut said:
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Giants gameplan involves using Bumgarner for 2-3 innings, then they should just let him start the game and have the "starter" ready to go once Bumgarner shows signs of tiring.


Hudson is rested, and can go as many innings as needed - assuming he pitches well (no small assumption of course). You don't want to start Bumgarner and KNOW you will have to dig into your pen early; you cross that bridge if you get there, but you don't want to go down that rabbit hole if possible.

Hudson is a veteran guy who has pitched in big games before, he's not some rookie.

That said, he'll have a very short leash (as will Guthrie).
RE: If the  
arcarsenal : 10/29/2014 2:56 pm : link
In comment 11946902 Metnut said:
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Giants gameplan involves using Bumgarner for 2-3 innings, then they should just let him start the game and have the "starter" ready to go once Bumgarner shows signs of tiring.


Bochy probably wants to have Bumgarner kind of looming behind Hudson so that KC feels like they've got to get their runs early. It'll add a little mental pressure.
If you start Bumgarner, then you lose flexibility  
Greg from LI : 10/29/2014 3:00 pm : link
You can use him as a fireman at any time if the Royals look like they're on the verge of busting the game open, whether it's the second inning or the seventh.
Understood  
Metnut : 10/29/2014 3:20 pm : link
but they run the risk of falling behind early and not being able to use their best player in a high-leverage situation. They also can't bring him in right away because he'll have to warm up and given the very short rest, they likely won't want to warm him up more than once.
The Royals  
yankfan : 10/29/2014 4:43 pm : link
are just blessed. They'll win. That ballpark should be on its feet from the 1st pitch.
It's  
DanMetroMan : 10/29/2014 4:43 pm : link
Amazing that the starting LF in a game 7 of the WS has a .494 OPS on the season. You just KNOW Perez comes up big too
Paging Buster Posey  
Dave in PA : 10/29/2014 6:15 pm : link
Where are you Buster Posey?
RE: It's  
Greg from LI : 10/29/2014 6:38 pm : link
In comment 11947135 DanMetroMan said:
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Amazing that the starting LF in a game 7 of the WS has a .494 OPS on the season. You just KNOW Perez comes up big too


Oh but the Royals are totally an awesome team, the class of the league.
Cmon  
natefit : 10/29/2014 6:41 pm : link
KC!
You do realize  
MookGiants : 10/29/2014 6:41 pm : link
Perez plays for the Giants, right?
The Royals have a Perez too  
Greg from LI : 10/29/2014 6:45 pm : link
Like it matters - whoever wins will be one of the most forgettable champions ever.
Ughhhh  
UConn4523 : 10/29/2014 6:48 pm : link
I can't wait to forget about it. The whole thing has been so dreadful and awful.
Rooting for KC  
Sean : 10/29/2014 8:09 pm : link
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Marquee pitching matchup this evening...  
Dunedin81 : 10/29/2014 8:28 pm : link
I think Tim Hudson's grandkids are in attendance.
Pablo  
MookGiants : 10/29/2014 8:32 pm : link
pulled a Roger Dorn
they never call it  
MookGiants : 10/29/2014 8:37 pm : link
but by the rules Pablo should not have been awarded first base, not only did he not even try to get out of the way, he actually leaned into it to get hit
my favorite part of it  
MookGiants : 10/29/2014 8:42 pm : link
was idiot Harold Reynolds saying shit like the Royals are happy and thanking him for getting hit by it. Yeah, they were thrilled hitting the leadoff man in the 2nd inning of game 7 in the World Series. Do these guys even listen to what the hell they are saying?
Won't be called and a great baseball play.  
RDJR : 10/29/2014 8:42 pm : link
Took all kinds of HBPs in my day. Especially leading off and it led to two runs. Love the Panda.
It's Harold Reynolds  
Greg from LI : 10/29/2014 8:43 pm : link
If that's the dumbest thing he says, consider it a win.
Panda  
Zebra3 : 10/29/2014 8:45 pm : link
Will go to AL team and be the new Popi and rake for years
Ok you can pull Hudson now
Shit  
Zebra3 : 10/29/2014 8:46 pm : link
Get baumgarder ready now
These starters suck.  
bceagle05 : 10/29/2014 8:47 pm : link
Get to the pens already. Far cry from Clemens and Schilling in 2001.
I know they never call it  
MookGiants : 10/29/2014 8:47 pm : link
but they should get rid of the rule if they're never going to call it. He didn't just make no attempt to get out of the way, he Roger Dorn'd it and leaned into it
I don't think  
MookGiants : 10/29/2014 8:48 pm : link
they will bring Bumgarner in in the middle of an inning. If they go to the pen this inning they'll likely bring him in to start the 3rd
He has a dead leg.  
Peter in Atlanta : 10/29/2014 8:49 pm : link
He'll be fine in a few minutes.
Hudson  
Zebra3 : 10/29/2014 8:49 pm : link
Done
Why  
MookGiants : 10/29/2014 8:51 pm : link
is the 3rd basemen allowed to block the base like that? Serious question, is there a rule against that?
Hudson you idoit  
Zebra3 : 10/29/2014 8:52 pm : link
Cut it off
that was a dreadful  
MookGiants : 10/29/2014 8:52 pm : link
throw by Blanco, Gordon got a poor jump
Hudson done  
Zebra3 : 10/29/2014 8:53 pm : link
Wtf bruce
RE: Hudson you idoit  
MookGiants : 10/29/2014 8:53 pm : link
In comment 11947493 Zebra3 said:
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Cut it off


That wasn't Hudson who cut it off, it was Belt. And he really had no reason to cut it off considering Perez is going to go station to station at this point
LOL Hudson.  
bceagle05 : 10/29/2014 8:53 pm : link
Don't waste all the hot water.
RE: Hudson you idoit  
Peter in Atlanta : 10/29/2014 8:54 pm : link
In comment 11947493 Zebra3 said:
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Cut it off


That was Belt. Try to pay attention.
so pull  
spike : 10/29/2014 8:56 pm : link
Hudson so early on?
gonna be a good finish  
Route 9 in LEH : 10/29/2014 8:59 pm : link
...
Hosmer  
MookGiants : 10/29/2014 9:14 pm : link
stupidly slides into first, he was out.

Great play by Panik
Goddamn let's go.  
bceagle05 : 10/29/2014 9:17 pm : link
At least they finally get it right.
When does  
dep026 : 10/29/2014 9:17 pm : link
Bumgarner pitch?
Affeldt  
MookGiants : 10/29/2014 9:19 pm : link
owes Panik dinner because he was about to make a mess of that inning, that was a rocket off of Hosmer's bat
Bochy had the first successful challenge in the regular season  
Peter in Atlanta : 10/29/2014 9:19 pm : link
and the world series
why  
MookGiants : 10/29/2014 9:26 pm : link
did Infante bare hand that? He has to know who is running. Jesus that was stupid, he has him easy if he simply gloves it
RE: why  
micky : 10/29/2014 9:28 pm : link
In comment 11947527 MookGiants said:
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did Infante bare hand that? He has to know who is running. Jesus that was stupid, he has him easy if he simply gloves it


you still think he doesn't slip even if gloved?
RE: RE: why  
MookGiants : 10/29/2014 9:30 pm : link
In comment 11947531 micky said:
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In comment 11947527 MookGiants said:


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did Infante bare hand that? He has to know who is running. Jesus that was stupid, he has him easy if he simply gloves it



you still think he doesn't slip even if gloved?


He could have slipped, but trying to grab it bare handed had him flat footed and caused him to slip.
RE: Why  
Peter in Atlanta : 10/29/2014 9:32 pm : link
In comment 11947491 MookGiants said:
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is the 3rd basemen allowed to block the base like that? Serious question, is there a rule against that?



No rule against it because it is a base that you can't run through like you can at home.
nice piece of hitting  
MookGiants : 10/29/2014 9:34 pm : link
by Morse but brutal pitch selection. 0-2 you can't put that pitch anywhere near the zone, make him go fishing
Yankees need to  
Zebra3 : 10/29/2014 9:39 pm : link
Take a good look at the Panda. Like a younger Popi. The guy is a player.
These baseball games are way too late  
spike : 10/29/2014 9:48 pm : link
they won't finish until way past 11pm. How are kids going to watch ?
Here comes Bumgarner.  
arcarsenal : 10/29/2014 9:51 pm : link
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RE: Yankees need to  
MookGiants : 10/29/2014 9:54 pm : link
In comment 11947545 Zebra3 said:
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Take a good look at the Panda. Like a younger Popi. The guy is a player.


No thanks. Nothing special in the regular season, not a bad player by any stretch but he will be paid like he were a great player. Yankees need to learn from prior mistakes, don't pay decent players like they're great.

He's had a great post-season, but he's not a great player.
that was not a strike to Posey  
MookGiants : 10/29/2014 9:54 pm : link
here comes Bumgarner, probably has 2 innings maybe more in him
Bumgarner  
dep026 : 10/29/2014 9:54 pm : link
already. Guess they want 3 from him. Then 2 from Petit?
RE: Bumgarner  
MookGiants : 10/29/2014 9:56 pm : link
In comment 11947563 dep026 said:
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already. Guess they want 3 from him. Then 2 from Petit?


huh? If they get three scoreless from him they will hand the ball to Romo and Casilla. If Petit comes in at this point the Giants probably gave up the lead
I meant 2  
dep026 : 10/29/2014 9:58 pm : link
typed 3.
Ruh roh  
arcarsenal : 10/29/2014 9:59 pm : link
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he's off as would be expected  
micky : 10/29/2014 10:00 pm : link
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So torn here  
UConn4523 : 10/29/2014 10:01 pm : link
Love bumgarner but the royals breaking up his amazing WS resume is also something crazy to see it'll it happened
why  
MookGiants : 10/29/2014 10:01 pm : link
would you bunt on 2-0? Especially when his control was all over the place the batter before too
If it happened  
UConn4523 : 10/29/2014 10:01 pm : link
*
especially  
MookGiants : 10/29/2014 10:02 pm : link
bunting him to Aoki, who is 0 for 16 against Bumgarner and .083 for series.

Makes zero sense to bunt there, let Escobar swing away
had the rip  
micky : 10/29/2014 10:04 pm : link
But Perez
Wasn't even close to a strike  
illmatic : 10/29/2014 10:05 pm : link
Don't help Bumgarner out. He doesn't need the assistance.
got through that scoreless  
micky : 10/29/2014 10:07 pm : link
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Yosted.  
bceagle05 : 10/29/2014 10:07 pm : link
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Ned Yost  
MookGiants : 10/29/2014 10:07 pm : link
special there. Bunting to a guy hitting .083 with one of your best hitters at the plate who rarely gets doubled up. Especially on 2-0 and Bumgarner throwing a meatball right down the middle. Terrible managing
As soon as Cain  
MookGiants : 10/29/2014 10:07 pm : link
got fucked on the first pitch you knew he would be hacking away
Blown opportunity there for KC.  
arcarsenal : 10/29/2014 10:07 pm : link
They could have got to him that inning and they gave an out away and Cain was hacking away at balls out of the zone.
haha  
Greg from LI : 10/29/2014 10:08 pm : link
Nice to see a Royals hitter playing to his talent level.
Panda making himself some money  
Dunedin81 : 10/29/2014 10:11 pm : link
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RE: RE: Yankees need to  
Zebra3 : 10/29/2014 10:13 pm : link
In comment 11947560 MookGiants said:
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In comment 11947545 Zebra3 said:


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Take a good look at the Panda. Like a younger Popi. The guy is a player.



No thanks. Nothing special in the regular season, not a bad player by any stretch but he will be paid like he were a great player. Yankees need to learn from prior mistakes, don't pay decent players like they're great.

He's had a great post-season, but he's not a great player.
money player not afraid of big spots the yanks have no guys like that now.
...  
SanFranGiantsFan : 10/29/2014 10:15 pm : link
I'm no baseball expert, but bunting one of your hottest hitters for a dude who is 0 for 16 or something against the pitcher makes no sense no?
RE: RE: RE: Yankees need to  
MookGiants : 10/29/2014 10:17 pm : link
In comment 11947597 Zebra3 said:
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In comment 11947560 MookGiants said:


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In comment 11947545 Zebra3 said:


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Take a good look at the Panda. Like a younger Popi. The guy is a player.



No thanks. Nothing special in the regular season, not a bad player by any stretch but he will be paid like he were a great player. Yankees need to learn from prior mistakes, don't pay decent players like they're great.

He's had a great post-season, but he's not a great player.

money player not afraid of big spots the yanks have no guys like that now.


Never played in New York, never been a great regular season player. Sure, he's been very good in the post-season to date. You don't pay guys like they're great because they're great in the post-season. He'll get his money, I just hope its from another team.

Also, just because he has been a great post-season player for the Giants doesn't mean he would be for the Yankees. Completely different environment. Never know how he'd react to it. We've seen guys be really good in big spots other places then come here and shit the bed in every big spot.
Sandoval is good where he is..  
Sean : 10/29/2014 10:18 pm : link
he just screams a player who signs elsewhere, gets his payday and then disappears.
Yost  
MookGiants : 10/29/2014 10:20 pm : link
is going to regret that bunt for the entire off-season. Looks like Bumgarner has settled in now, they had a chance to get him and Yost for some unknown reason had a guy hitting over 300 bunting into Aoki
RE: ...  
trueblueinpw : 10/29/2014 10:20 pm : link
In comment 11947600 SanFranGiantsFan said:
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I'm no baseball expert, but bunting one of your hottest hitters for a dude who is 0 for 16 or something against the pitcher makes no sense no?


Didn't work, obviously, but it's higher percentage to bunt the runner and have two shots at a base hit to tie.
RE: RE: ...  
MookGiants : 10/29/2014 10:23 pm : link
In comment 11947605 trueblueinpw said:
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In comment 11947600 SanFranGiantsFan said:


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I'm no baseball expert, but bunting one of your hottest hitters for a dude who is 0 for 16 or something against the pitcher makes no sense no?



Didn't work, obviously, but it's higher percentage to bunt the runner and have two shots at a base hit to tie.


At a 2-0 count no way is it higher percentage. Especially when the next guy is 0 for 16 against the pitcher too. The bunt, no matter which way you slice it, made zero sense.
He'll get through  
bob in tx : 10/29/2014 10:26 pm : link
the 8th.
He's settled in now, he's going to start mowing them down.  
arcarsenal : 10/29/2014 10:27 pm : link
Not good if you're KC.
if he can get through  
MookGiants : 10/29/2014 10:27 pm : link
the 8th I'm not sure why they didn't just start him
Mook  
trueblueinpw : 10/29/2014 10:28 pm : link
Steve Perry wearing eye black makes zero sense.
These aren't great teams (good but not great)  
dpinzow : 10/29/2014 10:30 pm : link
but we are getting a terrific Game 7 which is all you can ask for. KC has to get Bumgarner out of there somehow before it is too late
Bumgarner is just one of those guys..  
arcarsenal : 10/29/2014 10:31 pm : link
I really thought he could have started this game. It might not matter if he can give them 2 more and get to Casilla but the guy is just a horse.
your chances  
MookGiants : 10/29/2014 10:33 pm : link
of scoring a run with a guy on 1st and 0 outs are better than your chances of scoring a run with 1 out and a guy on 2nd. Of course it's greater than if you have a guy on 1st and 1 out but you're assuming an out there if you think that way. Bunting decreases your chances to score vs swinging away
the Giants  
MookGiants : 10/29/2014 10:34 pm : link
may not be a great regular season team but if they finish this off and win 3 of the last 5 titles it's hard to not call them a great team
How does Kershaw feel watching Bumgarner?  
Sean : 10/29/2014 10:35 pm : link
after he shit the bed in the postseason.
Mook  
trueblueinpw : 10/29/2014 10:42 pm : link
I was totally wrong about the bunt. But not Steve Perry. (BTW, they should have had Perry sing God Bless America).
Don't bunt... - ( New Window )
3 biggest plays in this game so far  
MookGiants : 10/29/2014 10:42 pm : link
Bunt, Infante trying to bare hand a ball he didn't have to and slipping as a result, and by far the biggest one the Panik play
If I'm Bochy  
PetesHereNow : 10/29/2014 10:42 pm : link
that's my horse on the mound... he gets me 7 more outs, and I win the series. I would not take him out. He is throwing beautifully.
Jesus  
Danny Kanell : 10/29/2014 10:43 pm : link
Bumgarner is a fucking beast.
Bumgarner is a bad motherfucker  
Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy : 10/29/2014 10:45 pm : link
Great game.
RE: If I'm Bochy  
Danny Kanell : 10/29/2014 10:46 pm : link
In comment 11947631 PetesHereNow said:
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that's my horse on the mound... he gets me 7 more outs, and I win the series. I would not take him out. He is throwing beautifully.


If he has an 8th the way he just had the 7th, I agree with you. The Royals are completely outmatched against him right now and hes not laboring one bit.
Depends how fast he gets through the 8th.  
arcarsenal : 10/29/2014 10:46 pm : link
If he does it 1-2-3, I'd be awfully tempted to give him the ball back.
His postseason ERA is 0.26  
PetesHereNow : 10/29/2014 10:47 pm : link
Holy shit.
I'd go to Casilla  
MookGiants : 10/29/2014 10:48 pm : link
regardless, dude has been a beast in the postseason.
Posey with a World Series no-show.  
bceagle05 : 10/29/2014 10:49 pm : link
Happens I guess.
Sandoval is making himself a shitload of money  
PetesHereNow : 10/29/2014 10:50 pm : link
Someone will overpay for this.
Sandoval  
Danny Kanell : 10/29/2014 10:50 pm : link
is a fucking beast too. Love watching clutch players.
Panda  
Zebra3 : 10/29/2014 10:50 pm : link
Would be a great DH.
If the Yanks didn't have eight DH's or so  
PetesHereNow : 10/29/2014 10:51 pm : link
I'd seriously consider giving Sandoval money for 3B/DH. Yanks need good hitters like him.
RE: If the Yanks didn't have eight DH's or so  
MookGiants : 10/29/2014 10:54 pm : link
In comment 11947648 PetesHereNow said:
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I'd seriously consider giving Sandoval money for 3B/DH. Yanks need good hitters like him.


The problem is while he's been decent he's never really been a good hitter. He's been a good hitter 2 out of 6 full years and an average one the other 4. Expecting him to now become a consistently good hitter would be a mistake.
He'd be a beast  
Zebra3 : 10/29/2014 10:56 pm : link
At Yankee Stadium but they have at DH Arod,Tex,Beltran,McCann, just to name a few.
why  
MookGiants : 10/29/2014 10:57 pm : link
would he be a beast at Yankee Stadium?
and goodnight  
Route 9 in LEH : 10/29/2014 11:01 pm : link
...

Too bad because I really wanted the Royals to win
RE: RE: If the Yanks didn't have eight DH's or so  
PetesHereNow : 10/29/2014 11:01 pm : link
In comment 11947649 MookGiants said:
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In comment 11947648 PetesHereNow said:


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I'd seriously consider giving Sandoval money for 3B/DH. Yanks need good hitters like him.



The problem is while he's been decent he's never really been a good hitter. He's been a good hitter 2 out of 6 full years and an average one the other 4. Expecting him to now become a consistently good hitter would be a mistake.


I think what is so appealing about what he's done in this series is that he's hitting the other way, and none of our LH batters do that consistently except for maybe Ellsbury.
They just can't hit him.  
arcarsenal : 10/29/2014 11:01 pm : link
I'd give the ball back to him.
if Casilla  
MookGiants : 10/29/2014 11:01 pm : link
isn't starting to stretch yet he's not coming in. I said Casilla earlier but didn't realize he's only thrown 2/3 of an inning in basically 2 weeks
I think you gotta let him finish this  
PetesHereNow : 10/29/2014 11:02 pm : link
it's effortless, he's making the KC lineup look like little leaguers. I've never seen such weak contact other maybe the Yankees of the last 2 seasons, lol.
RE: why  
Zebra3 : 10/29/2014 11:02 pm : link
In comment 11947652 MookGiants said:
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would he be a beast at Yankee Stadium?

Left handed hitter would love short RF. Can also go the other way which a lot of our guys can't.

3 more outs
Baumgarner is taking this one home.
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Danny Kanell : 10/29/2014 11:03 pm : link
Bochy has to leave him in now.

one of the greatest World Series pitching performances  
WeatherMan : 10/29/2014 11:03 pm : link
of all time by Bumgarner. There's no way you take him out of the game.
they had their chance  
MookGiants : 10/29/2014 11:03 pm : link
when he first came in and Ned Yost decided it would be a good idea to give up an out with a 2-0 count and Bumgarner all over the place.

Yost got away with his asinine moves in the wild card play in game, he's not going to get away with this one.

I still have no idea why Bumgarner didn't start the game if they had him available for this many innings.
ugh Bumgarner  
Route 9 in LEH : 10/29/2014 11:03 pm : link
Making it look so easy
RE: RE: why  
MookGiants : 10/29/2014 11:06 pm : link
In comment 11947659 Zebra3 said:
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In comment 11947652 MookGiants said:


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would he be a beast at Yankee Stadium?


Left handed hitter would love short RF. Can also go the other way which a lot of our guys can't.

3 more outs
Baumgarner is taking this one home.


People automatically assume that will magically make a non home run hitter a home run hitter, like Ellsbury last year, how'd that work out?

He has 58 home runs in 4 years. Actually has more at home than on the road.

If they sign him, I'll be very surprised if it's not a really bad signing. He hasn't posted an 800+ OPS since 2011
Mook  
Zebra3 : 10/29/2014 11:10 pm : link
Your very knowledgeable with the Yanks
What do you think about Resnyder and Bird? Do they get a shot at the big club this year?
.  
Danny Kanell : 10/29/2014 11:11 pm : link
Here we go. This is awesome.
Here we go!  
Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy : 10/29/2014 11:11 pm : link
Bumgarner has a chance to cement one of the all-time great playoff runs in any sport.
Just watching Bumgarner dominate is so fun..  
Sean : 10/29/2014 11:12 pm : link
and I'm rooting for KC, but this is awesome.
Mook is our Kid Rock  
Route 9 in LEH : 10/29/2014 11:12 pm : link
Cocky - but he backs it up
Yeah son
RE: Mook  
MookGiants : 10/29/2014 11:13 pm : link
In comment 11947669 Zebra3 said:
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Your very knowledgeable with the Yanks
What do you think about Resnyder and Bird? Do they get a shot at the big club this year?


If I had to guess, Bird will not, Refsnyder yes
wow  
MookGiants : 10/29/2014 11:15 pm : link
that 2-0 pitch looked outside, would like to see the replay, completely changed the AB, terrible job by Fox not showing it
one of the biggest pitches  
MookGiants : 10/29/2014 11:16 pm : link
in the entire game, borderline, and somehow Fox doesn't show you whether or not it was a strike. Terrible
Mad-Bum  
SHO'NUFF : 10/29/2014 11:16 pm : link
is DEALIN!!! WHOOOO!!
2 outs away  
Route 9 in LEH : 10/29/2014 11:16 pm : link
...
That look on Hosmer's face  
Dave in PA : 10/29/2014 11:16 pm : link
was the realization that it's all over
Big game Bumgarner  
Zebra3 : 10/29/2014 11:17 pm : link
New name.
amazing  
MookGiants : 10/29/2014 11:17 pm : link
performance by Bumgarner. Still not sure why he didn't start the game, but it worked out for the Giants.

Congrats Giants fans.
good effort Royals  
Route 9 in LEH : 10/29/2014 11:17 pm : link
It was a good effort
holy shit  
Dave in PA : 10/29/2014 11:18 pm : link
.
HOW THE FUCK  
MookGiants : 10/29/2014 11:18 pm : link
DID HE NOT SCORE?
Holy Shit this is intense  
Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy : 10/29/2014 11:18 pm : link
.
Well, that was disastrous for SF  
Mad Mike : 10/29/2014 11:18 pm : link
*
what the  
SHO'NUFF : 10/29/2014 11:18 pm : link
fuck....
holy fuck they screwed that up bad  
WeatherMan : 10/29/2014 11:19 pm : link
Gordon to third, one hit ties the game. Everything on Perez right now.
Gordon  
MookGiants : 10/29/2014 11:19 pm : link
kind of fucked up around 1st base
it's trouble if  
SHO'NUFF : 10/29/2014 11:19 pm : link
Moustakas comes up
you'd think Gordon would've scored  
micky : 10/29/2014 11:20 pm : link
there.
ugh  
Route 9 in LEH : 10/29/2014 11:20 pm : link
...

Intense
I think if you put a breaking ball in the dirt  
PetesHereNow : 10/29/2014 11:21 pm : link
you'll get him to swing.
Bumgarmer is just too good.  
Mad Mike : 10/29/2014 11:22 pm : link
Fantastic post-season from him.
Yes!!!!  
DG : 10/29/2014 11:22 pm : link
Woohoo!!
SNORE  
Route 9 in LEH : 10/29/2014 11:22 pm : link
!
if Gordon  
MookGiants : 10/29/2014 11:22 pm : link
doesn't run like an idiot down to first base he scores. He should have been rounding it right from the start and he didn't even really hustle out of the box. Inexcusable
kind of lame  
Dave in PA : 10/29/2014 11:22 pm : link
extra innings would have been awesome
One thing I like seeing is Brett disgusted  
micky : 10/29/2014 11:23 pm : link
.
Lol  
Zebra3 : 10/29/2014 11:23 pm : link
George Brett looked like Jerry Jones there.
Kind of, sort of,  
DG : 10/29/2014 11:23 pm : link
makes up a little for 1980..
Bumgarner, unstoppable  
WeatherMan : 10/29/2014 11:24 pm : link
epic level of dominance. MVP for damn sure. Giants win it all again.
Oh man if ever there was a time to say  
glowrider : 10/29/2014 11:24 pm : link
"He shoulda had an inside the park home run," that was it.

Amazing game. Bumgarner was amazing.
What is that clown behind home plate  
B in ALB : 10/29/2014 11:24 pm : link
wearing a marlins jersey doing with his hands? What the fuck was that? Is that a grown man doing that? What the fuck?
Fantastic Game 7, congrats to the Giants  
Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy : 10/29/2014 11:24 pm : link
Bumgarner was simply legendary. Balls of steel on that guy.

3 titles in 5 years, amazing accomplishment
Posey should kiss Bumgarner's ass  
PetesHereNow : 10/29/2014 11:24 pm : link
Buster had an awful series.
I'm watching  
santacruzom : 10/29/2014 11:25 pm : link
The Kings/Warriors game (boring as shit, thanks to a billion fouls) and the fans went absolutely nuts and spoiled the ending for me. Didn't consider that possibility.
Ned Yost  
MookGiants : 10/29/2014 11:25 pm : link
with a miserable failure tonight. They may play hard for him, but when he has to make critical decisions he's generally terrible. The players bailed him out in the wild card play in game, they didn't tonight.

How does Bochy explain not starting Bumgarner tonight? Forget that it worked out, he put Hudson out there for no reason. If not for his offense getting the 2 runs in the 2nd inning there's a good chance Bumgarner never is able to have that kind of impact in the game. Especially with the Royals bullpen, you should want him in there ASAP and not wait and potentially let the Royals jump out to a big lead.

He'll get praised for leaving him in, but I think it was a really dumb decision to not just let him start the game if he had 60+ pitches in him.
That was awesome.  
bceagle05 : 10/29/2014 11:26 pm : link
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RE: Kind of, sort of,  
Zebra3 : 10/29/2014 11:26 pm : link
In comment 11947705 DG said:
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makes up a little for 1980..

No not really

But a bet if Goosage is watching this he liked watching Brett cringe. Lol
RE: What is that clown behind home plate  
MookGiants : 10/29/2014 11:26 pm : link
In comment 11947708 B in ALB said:
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wearing a marlins jersey doing with his hands? What the fuck was that? Is that a grown man doing that? What the fuck?


He wa doing the tomahawk chop early in the game, he's a big FSU fan apparently. Didn't see what he was doing late in the game
Perez should have brought  
Exit 172 : 10/29/2014 11:26 pm : link
a tennis racket to the plate. What a hilarious at-bat that was.
Gordon  
MookGiants : 10/29/2014 11:28 pm : link
is going to be thinking about the way he ran to first and not rounding the base properly for the rest of his life. I think they send him if he runs his ass off out of the box and cuts the base properly
All credit to our baseball namesakes  
dpinzow : 10/29/2014 11:29 pm : link
They become the 5th franchise to win 3 world series in a 5 year span, which means there is an argument for them as an all-time great team

Yankees (obviously)
A's (with Connie Mack in the dead ball era and the 3 in a row in the 1970s)
Red Sox (during WWI)
Cardinals (during and immediately after WWII, 1942, 1944, 1946)
Great job by the Royals fans  
JayBinQueens : 10/29/2014 11:29 pm : link
showing appreciation after the final out, drowning out SF's celebration with "Let's Go Royals" chants
RE: Ned Yost  
micky : 10/29/2014 11:29 pm : link
In comment 11947712 MookGiants said:
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with a miserable failure tonight. They may play hard for him, but when he has to make critical decisions he's generally terrible. The players bailed him out in the wild card play in game, they didn't tonight.

How does Bochy explain not starting Bumgarner tonight? Forget that it worked out, he put Hudson out there for no reason. If not for his offense getting the 2 runs in the 2nd inning there's a good chance Bumgarner never is able to have that kind of impact in the game. Especially with the Royals bullpen, you should want him in there ASAP and not wait and potentially let the Royals jump out to a big lead.

He'll get praised for leaving him in, but I think it was a really dumb decision to not just let him start the game if he had 60+ pitches in him.


Agree..if they let him throw 60. Yost messed up with escobar bunting..great chance to get to Bumgarner off the bat when he was wild. Then, Gordon not making that a score. But, give it to Bumgarner..what a performance these WS's
RE: RE: UConn  
Exit 172 : 10/29/2014 11:29 pm : link
In comment 11946460 MookGiants said:
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That is what I find head scratching with Bochy. He stated last night that Madison is "human" when asked why he wasn't starting him tonight.

If it starts to play out like last night where Hudson gets yanked early and he immediatly goes to Bumgarner...then why not start him in the first place?



because he's not going to be able to give you more than a couple innings.


Did you forget you posted this?
Also Bochy punches his ticket to Cooperstown  
dpinzow : 10/29/2014 11:30 pm : link
all managers with 3 or more world series are enshrined in the hall of fame
RE: RE: RE: UConn  
MookGiants : 10/29/2014 11:35 pm : link
In comment 11947722 Exit 172 said:
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In comment 11946460 MookGiants said:


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In comment 11946458 figgy2989 said:


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That is what I find head scratching with Bochy. He stated last night that Madison is "human" when asked why he wasn't starting him tonight.

If it starts to play out like last night where Hudson gets yanked early and he immediatly goes to Bumgarner...then why not start him in the first place?



because he's not going to be able to give you more than a couple innings.



Did you forget you posted this?


Of course not. That's the only explanation for him not starting the game. But that clearly was not the case, I assumed it was since he was not starting. If he can give you 60+ pitches, you start him, no question
Bumgarner is the best money pitcher in baseball  
oipolloi : 10/29/2014 11:35 pm : link
heart of a champion

he basically just willed the team to win a postseason they had no business winning
RE: Also Bochy punches his ticket to Cooperstown  
oipolloi : 10/29/2014 11:38 pm : link
In comment 11947723 dpinzow said:
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all managers with 3 or more world series are enshrined in the hall of fame


He deserves it. Giants won 3 championships without ever having the most talented roster. Bochy knows how to manage a pen better than anyone around today
I'm gonna miss Bud Selig  
Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy : 10/29/2014 11:38 pm : link
Jk bye bye you old dumbass. Worst commish in American sports history
Bochy  
MookGiants : 10/29/2014 11:39 pm : link
was going in before tonight. He's a great manager.
RE: Bochy  
dpinzow : 10/29/2014 11:41 pm : link
In comment 11947737 MookGiants said:
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was going in before tonight. He's a great manager.


Probably but there was still lingering doubts because his overall managerial record is barely above .500. But tonight seals the deal for sure
Damn that Chevy guy was nervous lol  
Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy : 10/29/2014 11:43 pm : link
But Bumgarner is so calm it's almost scary. Ice water
.  
Danny Kanell : 10/29/2014 11:43 pm : link
I thought that guy from Chevy was gonna have a heart attack.
Bochy  
MookGiants : 10/29/2014 11:44 pm : link
basically just said they had his pitch count about where he ended, so figure 70.

Knowing that, you have to start him. His offense bailed him out because if the Royals get up in that game going into the 5th inning they are bringing the game home. He risked Hudson/Affeldt giving up 3-4 runs and never being able to use Bumgarner in a big spot to save him and I'm still puzzled why.

If he only has a couple innings, then you use him in the middle of the game wherever you need it. That's what everyone assumed going into the game. But based on what Bochy said, that was clearly not their plan.

I hope someone asks him about this in the post-game. I'm sure they'll all be too busy talking about how much of a genius he was saving him til the 5th.
.  
Danny Kanell : 10/29/2014 11:45 pm : link
Erin Andrews and Sandoval awkward hug. Awesome.
I can only imagine  
MookGiants : 10/29/2014 11:48 pm : link
how tough this one is to take as a Royals fan. They'll likely never get back to this point or anywhere close. What a kick in the nuts
Yost  
MookGiants : 10/29/2014 11:50 pm : link
just threw Escobar directly under the bus. Might want to send a doctor in to make sure Escobar is OK after that.

Disgraceful from Ned Yost. 2-0 count and he squared around twice, you put a do not bunt sign on, take the decision out of his hands.
Some managers with 2 WS are not in the hall  
dpinzow : 10/29/2014 11:52 pm : link
Danny Murtaugh (Pirates, 1960 and 1971 WS)
Cito Gaston (back to back with the Jays in 1992-1993)
Ralph Houk (back to back with the Yanks in 1961-1962)
Tom Kelly (Twins, 1987 and 1991)

So it's not a lock that a manager gets in with 2, although Murtaugh and Houk should be in the hall

But once a manager gets 3 they are in rarefied air. Only Stengel, McCarthy, Mack, Alston, Huggins, Sparky Anderson, Torre, La Russa and John McGraw won at least 3 before tonight. So Bochy is a HoF lock
Bumgarner's postseason  
oipolloi : 10/30/2014 12:03 am : link
55.2 IP

1.02 ERA

Pitched in 7 games and the Giants won 6 of them. Only blemish was loss to Nats, in which he pitched 6 shutout innings and then tired in the 7th and gave up 3 runs.

Performance for the ages.
correction : 52.2 IP  
oipolloi : 10/30/2014 12:06 am : link
which is a postseason record for innings pitched
RE: What is that clown behind home plate  
Ralph.C : 10/30/2014 12:39 am : link
In comment 11947708 B in ALB said:
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wearing a marlins jersey doing with his hands? What the fuck was that? Is that a grown man doing that? What the fuck?


He is a multi-millionaire who is enjoying his wealth any way he wants. The Royals offered him a luxury suite, autographed jerseys, baseballs, bats and everything they could think of to move him out from behind the plate. He declined. Why?

"My friends won't see me up there.'

Freaking great to be independently wealthy!
RE: I can only imagine  
Ralph.C : 10/30/2014 12:41 am : link
In comment 11947749 MookGiants said:
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how tough this one is to take as a Royals fan. They'll likely never get back to this point or anywhere close. What a kick in the nuts


Total "kick in the nuts" not winning. But they can get back.
RE: RE: What is that clown behind home plate  
MookGiants : 10/30/2014 12:45 am : link
In comment 11947769 Ralph.C said:
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In comment 11947708 B in ALB said:


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wearing a marlins jersey doing with his hands? What the fuck was that? Is that a grown man doing that? What the fuck?



He is a multi-millionaire who is enjoying his wealth any way he wants. The Royals offered him a luxury suite, autographed jerseys, baseballs, bats and everything they could think of to move him out from behind the plate. He declined. Why?

"My friends won't see me up there.'

Freaking great to be independently wealthy!


I think he's got a good amount of money but not sure if he's a multi-millionaire. Well I guess he could be because it sounds like for years he just saved all of his money as a lawyer with the anticipation of having kids buying a house getting married etc and that never happened, so now he's spending all of that money.

Good for him
RE: RE: RE: What is that clown behind home plate  
Ralph.C : 10/30/2014 1:00 am : link
In comment 11947773 MookGiants said:
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In comment 11947769 Ralph.C said:


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In comment 11947708 B in ALB said:


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wearing a marlins jersey doing with his hands? What the fuck was that? Is that a grown man doing that? What the fuck?



He is a multi-millionaire who is enjoying his wealth any way he wants. The Royals offered him a luxury suite, autographed jerseys, baseballs, bats and everything they could think of to move him out from behind the plate. He declined. Why?

"My friends won't see me up there.'

Freaking great to be independently wealthy!



I think he's got a good amount of money but not sure if he's a multi-millionaire. Well I guess he could be because it sounds like for years he just saved all of his money as a lawyer with the anticipation of having kids buying a house getting married etc and that never happened, so now he's spending all of that money.

Good for him


I know that he tours the country's major sporting events. I also know that he lives in Florida. Maybe "multi-millionaire" is a bit speculative on my part. But the dude had one of the best seats in the house for the World Series. He must be doing quite well.
Sept 23, 2008 - The future of the franchise  
Peter in Atlanta : 10/30/2014 6:56 am : link
Madison Bumgarner and Buster Posey introduced at the Opening Ceremony of the SF Giants Wall of Fame.

tv ratings wise  
MarshallOnMontana : 10/30/2014 10:22 am : link
The preliminary numbers for game 7 almost double the audience for every other game of the series. They needed a game 7 to boost the rating of what otherwise has been a trainwreck, and they got it. Series was averaging a 7.3 rating through 6 games, looks like it did about a 14 to 15 last night, which could be the biggest audience in a decade. Should lift the series average into the 8.3 to 8.5 range. It will still fall short of the nba finals for a 5th consecutive year, even though this years finals only went 5 games that were largely uncompetitive to boot

but last night was a very good number for baseball. This series absolutely needed it.
tv ratings for last night  
YAJ2112 : 10/30/2014 10:27 am : link
the World Series was on in my house. The NBA was not, despite me having 3 TVs in the living room and the free preview of the NBA pass available.
outside of advertisers  
UConn4523 : 10/30/2014 10:31 am : link
and those making money (Leagues/Owners), who really cares about TV ratings?
RE: I can only imagine  
Greg from LI : 10/30/2014 10:32 am : link
In comment 11947749 MookGiants said:
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how tough this one is to take as a Royals fan. They'll likely never get back to this point or anywhere close. What a kick in the nuts




Such a shame. They always have those memories of booing Cano for no reason to console them.

In short, fuck em.
JoeMPTroll  
Peter in Atlanta : 10/30/2014 10:34 am : link
Go away.
RE: outside of advertisers  
MarshallOnMontana : 10/30/2014 10:35 am : link
In comment 11948024 UConn4523 said:
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and those making money (Leagues/Owners), who really cares about TV ratings?


enough that there are several successfull websites dedicated solely to the dissemination of such information. Enough that virtually every major newspaper covers them to some degree. You may not care, many people do have an interest
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arcarsenal : 10/30/2014 10:37 am : link
Joe is to TV ratings what hudson is to crowd splits.
RE: .  
Peter in Atlanta : 10/30/2014 10:40 am : link
In comment 11948041 arcarsenal said:
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Joe is to TV ratings what hudson is to crowd splits.


Joe only does this so he can post the difference between MLB and the NBA. It gives him some sort of validation. Sad really.
it does prove a trend  
MarshallOnMontana : 10/30/2014 10:49 am : link
That ive been calling destined for about a decade now, largely falling on non believing ears here for much of that time

but theres no need to beat this dead horse much longer. When you win head to head for 5 straight years, sign a tv deal worth double that of baseballs, and dwarf them in audience under 50, there is no need to dignify baseball with the comparison any longer

Great - then there's no need for you to troll baseball threads either  
Greg from LI : 10/30/2014 10:50 am : link
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RE: it does prove a trend  
Peter in Atlanta : 10/30/2014 10:51 am : link
In comment 11948065 MarshallOnMontana said:
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That ive been calling destined for about a decade now, largely falling on non believing ears here for much of that time

but theres no need to beat this dead horse much longer. When you win head to head for 5 straight years, sign a tv deal worth double that of baseballs, and dwarf them in audience under 50, there is no need to dignify baseball with the comparison any longer


Who the fuck cares but the insecure troll?
im the insecure one?  
MarshallOnMontana : 10/30/2014 10:55 am : link
Or is it the guy getting all hot and bothered by the mere mention of the tv ratings? People who feel the need to tell you they dont care.........

Youre more than insecure, youre certified batshit. Theres a long list of people here who know the deal with you. This goes 3 or 4 more posts youll probably be stalking me

.  
arcarsenal : 10/30/2014 10:57 am : link
When any of the sports I watch on TV are in danger of being taken off the air entirely because of such terrible TV ratings (which will never happen), I'll care about ratings.

Until then, I could not possibly care less. They have zero impact on me following the sports I follow.
RE: im the insecure one?  
Peter in Atlanta : 10/30/2014 11:03 am : link
In comment 11948076 MarshallOnMontana said:
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Or is it the guy getting all hot and bothered by the mere mention of the tv ratings? People who feel the need to tell you they dont care.........

Youre more than insecure, youre certified batshit. Theres a long list of people here who know the deal with you. This goes 3 or 4 more posts youll probably be stalking me


Several people have told you on multiple threads that you're trolling but you keep at it. That just screams self confidence. As far as stalking goes, I don't go near NBA threads. You're safe. Unless you continue to troll the baseball threads.
metsareback  
MarshallOnMontana : 10/30/2014 11:10 am : link
Is the only person i recall saying anything the last time i posted it, and he was outnumbered about 5 to 1 by people who expressed an interest in discussion. Hell that generated more discussion than the entire series itelf before game 7

and i wasnt refering to online stalking, given your history those who have been around long enough know enough to know you go the extra mile.

You dont care about tv ratings. Good for you. Then a fly by single post on the matter shouldnt generate 4th and 5th replies out of you now. But it does.
RE: metsareback  
dep026 : 10/30/2014 11:15 am : link
In comment 11948096 MarshallOnMontana said:
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and i wasnt refering to online stalking, given your history those who have been around long enough know enough to know you go the extra mile.


I giggled.
RE: metsareback  
YAJ2112 : 10/30/2014 11:19 am : link
In comment 11948096 MarshallOnMontana said:
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Is the only person i recall saying anything the last time i posted it, and he was outnumbered about 5 to 1 by people who expressed an interest in discussion. Hell that generated more discussion than the entire series itelf before game 7

and i wasnt refering to online stalking, given your history those who have been around long enough know enough to know you go the extra mile.

You dont care about tv ratings. Good for you. Then a fly by single post on the matter shouldnt generate 4th and 5th replies out of you now. But it does.


5-1? Some imagination you have there Joe. It was 4-2 against you, and the 2 who were in the conversation lasted a whole 6 posts total.
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YAJ2112 : 10/30/2014 11:19 am : link
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RE: Bochy  
speedywheels : 10/30/2014 11:21 am : link
In comment 11947744 MookGiants said:
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basically just said they had his pitch count about where he ended, so figure 70.

Knowing that, you have to start him. His offense bailed him out because if the Royals get up in that game going into the 5th inning they are bringing the game home. He risked Hudson/Affeldt giving up 3-4 runs and never being able to use Bumgarner in a big spot to save him and I'm still puzzled why.

If he only has a couple innings, then you use him in the middle of the game wherever you need it. That's what everyone assumed going into the game. But based on what Bochy said, that was clearly not their plan.

I hope someone asks him about this in the post-game. I'm sure they'll all be too busy talking about how much of a genius he was saving him til the 5th.


He WAS a genius for bringing him in when he did.

As I said on another thread - the specter of Bumgarner looming was a HUGE physiological advantage.

If you start him, the Royals know he will only pitch 3,4, 5 innings tops, which means they will still have 4,5,6 innings on the back end to get runs. But by starting Hudson - who is not some 22 year old rookie, but a veteran who has pitched in big games - it forced to Royals to think "oh, shit, we better score early, because once Bumgarner comes in, the game is over". They scored two, but wasn't going to be nearly enough.

If you were the Royals, who would you rather face in the late innings - Bumgarner, or anyone else on that staff? Pretty easy answer...
Oops  
speedywheels : 10/30/2014 11:22 am : link
psychological, not physiological - damn autocorrect..
you're right that the ratings suck  
Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy : 10/30/2014 11:23 am : link
And baseball's popularity is clearly in decline. The fan demographics paint a very scary picture for the future of the sport. There are major question marks about the sport's long-term health.

But it's just annoying to hear about how baseball is dying a slow painful death when we just saw one of the greatest games of the last 25 years less than 24 hours ago.

We know that baseball's future isn't pretty but last night was just a hell of a game.

The series went 7 but it wasn't really an exciting series at all. But game 7 was just excellent.

I'm still in shock at how calm Bumgarner was after the game. It literally scares me how ho-hum he was about it. This guy showed absolutely no emotion after delivering one of the great sporting performances in recent memory. Even Eli always smiles and looks so happy when we win a SB, Bumgarner looked like he didn't care. His smile almost seemed forced lol. The definition of the phrase "ice water in his veins" should have a picture of Madison Bumgarner next to it.
yaj  
MarshallOnMontana : 10/30/2014 11:28 am : link
I forgot mook made a post

who am i missing other than he and m.a.b on the thread im talking about.? And there is a good 5 or so posters discussing/mentioning the ratings at some point on the thread whether they were directly engaged in discussion with me or not. I was not even the first nor the 2nd person on that thread to mention the subject of tv ratings
Osi  
figgy2989 : 10/30/2014 11:30 am : link
You are absolutely right. I was watching the post game and the interviews he gave on the field and then during the full PC.

It is quite eeery how this guy showed absolutely no emotion whatsoever. I guess that is just his personality, but you would think a guy who just completed one of the greatest pitching peformances in World Series History might be a little more excited?

But, he is only 25 and has pitched in three different WS already, so I guess it could be the "been there, done that" attitude.
RE: yaj  
Dunedin81 : 10/30/2014 11:32 am : link
In comment 11948129 MarshallOnMontana said:
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I forgot mook made a post

who am i missing other than he and m.a.b on the thread im talking about.? And there is a good 5 or so posters discussing/mentioning the ratings at some point on the thread whether they were directly engaged in discussion with me or not. I was not even the first nor the 2nd person on that thread to mention the subject of tv ratings


I have no particular issue with a ratings discussion, I think it is relevant to the future of the game. The problem people have is that you seem to have a bizarre fixation with shitting on baseball to bolster the relevant position of your own preferred sport, basketball. Which is off-putting and a little strange.
the game got a great rating last night  
MarshallOnMontana : 10/30/2014 11:39 am : link
Believe it or not, thats the biggest reason i posted it. Like i said on the first thread, trolling would be to make a fly by comment when the game does a 7 and then not mention a thing when it does a 12 a 13. I havent even posted a rating before today since game 2, that includes not bringing up 2 record lows that transpired since. Game did a 14 or 15 last night, and thats the first rating ive posted here in over a week

duned, thats always been the natural comparison because of their relative closeness.
This is clearly trolling  
Peter in Atlanta : 10/30/2014 11:52 am : link
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RE: RE: Bochy  
MookGiants : 10/30/2014 11:56 am : link
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basically just said they had his pitch count about where he ended, so figure 70.

Knowing that, you have to start him. His offense bailed him out because if the Royals get up in that game going into the 5th inning they are bringing the game home. He risked Hudson/Affeldt giving up 3-4 runs and never being able to use Bumgarner in a big spot to save him and I'm still puzzled why.

If he only has a couple innings, then you use him in the middle of the game wherever you need it. That's what everyone assumed going into the game. But based on what Bochy said, that was clearly not their plan.

I hope someone asks him about this in the post-game. I'm sure they'll all be too busy talking about how much of a genius he was saving him til the 5th.



He WAS a genius for bringing him in when he did.

As I said on another thread - the specter of Bumgarner looming was a HUGE physiological advantage.

If you start him, the Royals know he will only pitch 3,4, 5 innings tops, which means they will still have 4,5,6 innings on the back end to get runs. But by starting Hudson - who is not some 22 year old rookie, but a veteran who has pitched in big games - it forced to Royals to think "oh, shit, we better score early, because once Bumgarner comes in, the game is over". They scored two, but wasn't going to be nearly enough.

If you were the Royals, who would you rather face in the late innings - Bumgarner, or anyone else on that staff? Pretty easy answer...


Speedy, the problem is if the Royals had the lead going into the 5th inning the game was over imo. I don't think they had a prayer to score against that bullpen in the late innings. It was very risky, in the end he was bailed out by his offense getting a few runs. If that game is 3-1 going into the 5th you can turn the lights out on the Giants season. I know Casilla hasn't pitched in a while but he hasn't given up a run in a post season game in what seems like forever and the Giants have a pretty nice bullpen themselves. Think they played with fire rolling 39 year old Hudson and Affeldt out there for the first 4 innings. Hudson has been pretty damn lousy in the playoffs too

RE: I can only imagine  
Mike in Long Beach : 10/30/2014 11:57 am : link
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how tough this one is to take as a Royals fan. They'll likely never get back to this point or anywhere close. What a kick in the nuts


Agreed. Reminds me of Butler hoops a few years ago, who managed to get back only to lose again.
The big decision Bochy made was starting Perez in left.  
Peter in Atlanta : 10/30/2014 12:02 pm : link
There were at least 2 balls that Ishikawa doesn't catch.
Joe, you may be right about the ratings, but holy shit  
Mike in Long Beach : 10/30/2014 12:05 pm : link
The NBA is such a terrible product. This is coming from someone who watches more basketball than baseball these days... including more NBA than MLB. Much more actually.

But there was a moment yesterday during the Knicks game where they were down by 25 and they covered 1/4 of the screen with a huge Taylor Swift advertisement. It was embarrassing. I know ads are everywhere throughout all of sports but that was just so shameless and so removed from anything on the court. There was no respect for the team getting blown out and the announcers were flat out giddy during their part of the ad.

I was with a few buddies and all of us were cringing. You may love the fact that basketball is getting better ratings, but in my experience, so many of the people watching really don't give a shit about basketball, especially compared to baseball or hockey where almost everyone watching is emotionally invested.

Baseball is a game. Basketball (or more specifically, the NBA) is a cheesy production that is more interested in plastering celebrities on the screen than presenting a quality game.

And again... this is all coming from someone who is contributing to the rising ratings.
RE: The big decision Bochy made was starting Perez in left.  
MookGiants : 10/30/2014 12:15 pm : link
In comment 11948202 Peter in Atlanta said:
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There were at least 2 balls that Ishikawa doesn't catch.


Eh, the Aoki ball may have been caught by Ishikawa. Nice play but that was more positioning than anything. Not an easy catch but not a hard one either, not sure of the other one you're thinking of.

Perez defense almost turned a double into an inside the park home run too.

The guy who really saved Bochy imo was Panik. That rocket off of Hosmer's bat gets by him like it does most and i dont think the Giants ever get the lead in that game again. The flip was great too. Affeldt was about to make a mess of that inning
Panik  
MookGiants : 10/30/2014 12:17 pm : link
is also a NY'er for those that didn't know. Went to St. John's 2009 and 2010, went to John Jay high school I believe
RE: RE: The big decision Bochy made was starting Perez in left.  
Peter in Atlanta : 10/30/2014 12:21 pm : link
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There were at least 2 balls that Ishikawa doesn't catch.



Eh, the Aoki ball may have been caught by Ishikawa. Nice play but that was more positioning than anything. Not an easy catch but not a hard one either, not sure of the other one you're thinking of.

Perez defense almost turned a double into an inside the park home run too.

The guy who really saved Bochy imo was Panik. That rocket off of Hosmer's bat gets by him like it does most and i dont think the Giants ever get the lead in that game again. The flip was great too. Affeldt was about to make a mess of that inning


The Aoki ball was not a difficult catch for an every day outfielder. The same can be said about the one Moustakas hit when Gordon tagged to 3rd. Ishikawa is not an outfielder.
mike  
MarshallOnMontana : 10/30/2014 12:23 pm : link
Im not going to derail this any further, but thats a bunch of crap. If you like the game of basketball, the skill level and depth of talent has never been greater than it is today. Lack of expansion and globalization has made for a better product than ever. You may not realize it, or may not just be a big basketball fan. Thats fine. Its also extremely dumb to center a point on one game played between a title contender and a lotto team
RE: RE: RE: Bochy  
speedywheels : 10/30/2014 12:24 pm : link
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Think they played with fire rolling 39 year old Hudson and Affeldt out there for the first 4 innings. Hudson has been pretty damn lousy in the playoffs too


I thought Bochy played that perfectly - he took Hudson out at the first sign of trouble. Personally I would have went with Petit instead of Affeldt, but Bochy certainly knows his guys.

Again, I didn't have an issue with Hudson since he is a veteran and has been in big games before. If his choice was Vogelsong (or anyone else for that matter) - then yeah, I would have chosen Bumgarner no question...

Giants have been pretty lousy at drafting position players under Sabean but g-ddamn, they know how to grow pitchers!
RE: mike  
Greg from LI : 10/30/2014 12:25 pm : link
In comment 11948229 MarshallOnMontana said:
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Im not going to derail this any further, but thats a bunch of crap. If you like the game of basketball, the skill level and depth of talent has never been greater than it is today. Lack of expansion and globalization has made for a better product than ever. You may not realize it, or may not just be a big basketball fan. Thats fine. Its also extremely dumb to center a point on one game played between a title contender and a lotto team


That one went right over your head, huh? He's not talking about the quality of the basketball, he's talking about the presentation of the game.
greg  
MarshallOnMontana : 10/30/2014 12:29 pm : link
I was reacting to the comment about the terrible product, i may have missed his point. But i kind of dismiseed the rest of the post after that as an old man rant from a young man. Complaining about advertisements as if thats unique to the nba, calling the nba "not a game but a cheesy production", generally isnt a comment worthy of much back and forth
that opening song with the Aloe Vera guy was pretty embarrassing, too  
Greg from LI : 10/30/2014 12:32 pm : link
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if you are at all familiar with  
Enzo : 10/30/2014 12:33 pm : link
baseball's economics you know that the sport has never been in better financial shape, attendance has never been better and the local TV deals are enormous. Exhibit A is the payrolls as 24 MLB teams had payrolls this season north of $85 million. The NBA had 2 (both NY teams). The NBA should be proud of it's national TV deal, but MLB is cleaning up on the local level to a degree that the NBA simply has yet to approach.
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Peter in Atlanta : 10/30/2014 12:34 pm : link
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Think they played with fire rolling 39 year old Hudson and Affeldt out there for the first 4 innings. Hudson has been pretty damn lousy in the playoffs too




I thought Bochy played that perfectly - he took Hudson out at the first sign of trouble. Personally I would have went with Petit instead of Affeldt, but Bochy certainly knows his guys.

Again, I didn't have an issue with Hudson since he is a veteran and has been in big games before. If his choice was Vogelsong (or anyone else for that matter) - then yeah, I would have chosen Bumgarner no question...

Giants have been pretty lousy at drafting position players under Sabean but g-ddamn, they know how to grow pitchers!


You bring in Affeldt because he hasn't given up a run in forever and he's a lefthander facing a heavily left handed lineup. Petit had given up 5 hits in his WS appearances.
enzo  
MarshallOnMontana : 10/30/2014 12:43 pm : link
Every sport is in the best financial shape theyve ever been. Its hard to argue that baseball has ever been any less relevant than it is now though.

With regards to payroll, get back to me when the cap rises from the national tv deal that doubled baseball up. That was a game changer, and when it kicks in the landscape changes even more

baseball still does well regionally. All in all, they and the nba are still highly comparable in terms of popularity. But if you cant see how things are trending, i dont know what to tell you. And when you look at the demographics, this is a trend that has not even come close to reaching its peak. The average age of the world series viewer was 55. Where does that put them a generation from now?
RE: greg  
Mike in Long Beach : 10/30/2014 12:47 pm : link
In comment 11948243 MarshallOnMontana said:
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I was reacting to the comment about the terrible product, i may have missed his point. But i kind of dismiseed the rest of the post after that as an old man rant from a young man. Complaining about advertisements as if thats unique to the nba, calling the nba "not a game but a cheesy production", generally isnt a comment worthy of much back and forth


Then you really did miss the point. I sit through 3.5 hour football games where they play football for about 20 minutes. I get that ads are part of sports, especially popular sports.

This wasn't just an ad. This was an agenda to promote themselves as a beacon of celebrity involvement as much as it was an ad for Taylor Swift. The Knicks announcers were clamoring over her when they should've been subdued as the hometown team was getting schooled in their home opener.

Nobody involved really seemed to care about what was happening on the court.

This wasn't just an ad. It both an ad for Taylor Swift and a self-gratifying "look at us, Taylor Swift is here!" message. No one really cared what was happening with the New York Knicks.
im done with this now though  
MarshallOnMontana : 10/30/2014 12:47 pm : link
Because i could see this completely derailing into an nba vs mlb thing, which wasnt my intention believe it or not.
But of course you ignored me blatantly stating how  
Mike in Long Beach : 10/30/2014 12:48 pm : link
I understand ads are a very big part of a game and the driving financial force. You decided to change my post into me saying ads are stupid and the players suck.
RE: tv ratings wise  
Mike in Long Beach : 10/30/2014 12:53 pm : link
In comment 11948002 MarshallOnMontana said:
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The preliminary numbers for game 7 almost double the audience for every other game of the series. They needed a game 7 to boost the rating of what otherwise has been a trainwreck, and they got it. Series was averaging a 7.3 rating through 6 games, looks like it did about a 14 to 15 last night, which could be the biggest audience in a decade. Should lift the series average into the 8.3 to 8.5 range. It will still fall short of the nba finals for a 5th consecutive year, even though this years finals only went 5 games that were largely uncompetitive to boot

but last night was a very good number for baseball. This series absolutely needed it.


Haha yeah Joe... that wasn't your intention at all.
RE: enzo  
Enzo : 10/30/2014 12:58 pm : link
In comment 11948265 MarshallOnMontana said:
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Every sport is in the best financial shape theyve ever been. Its hard to argue that baseball has ever been any less relevant than it is now though.

With regards to payroll, get back to me when the cap rises from the national tv deal that doubled baseball up. That was a game changer, and when it kicks in the landscape changes even more

baseball still does well regionally. All in all, they and the nba are still highly comparable in terms of popularity. But if you cant see how things are trending, i dont know what to tell you. And when you look at the demographics, this is a trend that has not even come close to reaching its peak. The average age of the world series viewer was 55. Where does that put them a generation from now?

If you want to measure relevance in terms word series ratings I don't know what to tell you. Other numbers tell a more complete story, e.g. attendance where 15 MLB teams average more than 30k a game. You really think it's all a bunch of geezers in attendance? Keep in mind that's over 81 games.

And folks have already predicted how far NBA payrolls will increase, and they will still fall way short of where most MLB payrolls were LAST year.

The demographics have been trending the same way for years yet the regional baseball networks have made long term bets in the billions on MLB. I think they know what they're doing. The friggin Texas Rangers get $80 million a year on their local TV deal. That's before they sell a single ticket, dip into the mlb.com money (which is huge), or their national TV deal. Money talks.

mike  
MarshallOnMontana : 10/30/2014 12:59 pm : link
I will respond to you before bouncing because you do deserve a response, which you never got directly on your main gripe

if i dont like something, i dont watch. I think im like 99 percent of people. This fantasy land you paint where a big portion of the audience is tuning in just to see who is sitting courtside is well beyond ridiculous
enzo  
MarshallOnMontana : 10/30/2014 1:01 pm : link
Payrolls is a silly judgement because there is a cap and you know as well as anyone that maintaining flexibility is a basketball strategy for team building, not necessarily an indication of lack of finances
RE: enzo  
Enzo : 10/30/2014 1:11 pm : link
In comment 11948300 MarshallOnMontana said:
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Payrolls is a silly judgement because there is a cap and you know as well as anyone that maintaining flexibility is a basketball strategy for team building, not necessarily an indication of lack of finances

MLB teams do the same thing with payroll.Regardless, we can look at revenues:
MLB last year: $8.0-$8.5 billion
NBA last year: $4.6 billion
(per Forbes)

And this is after 10+ years of LeBron, probably the most well known athlete (excluding soccer) in the world being center stage.
enzo  
MarshallOnMontana : 10/30/2014 1:26 pm : link
And those figures dont account for the new national tv deal which doesnt kick in for 2 more years, triples the deal they are currently operating under and doubles baseballs deal. They also have a slew of local tv deals coming up for renogiation in the next 2 years.

Within a decade, the nba should surpass mlb in revenues as well. Within a generation, we wont even recognize them as competitors. A generation ago, they werent even on the same planet

thats it for me though, mean it this time.
Holy Shit  
figgy2989 : 10/30/2014 1:29 pm : link
This thread is all over the place.

RE: enzo  
Enzo : 10/30/2014 1:35 pm : link
In comment 11948348 MarshallOnMontana said:
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And those figures dont account for the new national tv deal which doesnt kick in for 2 more years, triples the deal they are currently operating under and doubles baseballs deal. They also have a slew of local tv deals coming up for renogiation in the next 2 years.

Within a decade, the nba should surpass mlb in revenues as well. Within a generation, we wont even recognize them as competitors. A generation ago, they werent even on the same planet

thats it for me though, mean it this time.

and then MLB will leapfrog them when their deal is up. Discount it all you want, but the fact that the NBA is still WAY behind MLB in revenues in a post MJ/LeBron/globalization world tells a lot more of the story than the World Series ratings you bring up every year. Even the national TV deal is still only part of the story as MLB simply kills NBA in attendance and local TV money. Not to mention online revenue.


Question  
Dunedin81 : 10/30/2014 3:56 pm : link
It is commonly accepted that your risk of injury increases when you dive into first base. That may be so, but why does it seem like you have a lot more injuries from people trying to lengthen a stride to hit first? Hamstrings and lower-body injuries are pretty common. And if it were simply a matter of crossing a line I think it would be cut and dry, but you have to land on a base that may not be timed with a sprinting stride.
RE: RE: enzo  
Dunedin81 : 10/30/2014 3:58 pm : link
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And those figures dont account for the new national tv deal which doesnt kick in for 2 more years, triples the deal they are currently operating under and doubles baseballs deal. They also have a slew of local tv deals coming up for renogiation in the next 2 years.

Within a decade, the nba should surpass mlb in revenues as well. Within a generation, we wont even recognize them as competitors. A generation ago, they werent even on the same planet

thats it for me though, mean it this time.


and then MLB will leapfrog them when their deal is up. Discount it all you want, but the fact that the NBA is still WAY behind MLB in revenues in a post MJ/LeBron/globalization world tells a lot more of the story than the World Series ratings you bring up every year. Even the national TV deal is still only part of the story as MLB simply kills NBA in attendance and local TV money. Not to mention online revenue.



The MLB has twice the number of games and they're played in much larger venues, it would be pretty embarrassing if they didn't surpass them in attendance. I'm not much of a basketball fan, I generally don't watch non-Knicks games (and as bad as they've been that limits my options) and on the whole I find basketball pretty boring, but I certainly understand that people feel differently.
that's an interesting question  
Greg from LI : 10/30/2014 4:01 pm : link
More than injury, though, diving into first base is a bad decision because it's slower than simply running through the base.
RE: that's an interesting question  
Dunedin81 : 10/30/2014 4:04 pm : link
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More than injury, though, diving into first base is a bad decision because it's slower than simply running through the base.


But that's my second point. It is conventional smart-people wisdom that it is slower, but it's not just a question of covering the distance. You have to land in stride on a particular piece of real estate. That means you likely have to lengthen or shorten your stride to do it. If so how much difference does it make for the average runner?
It's been almost 20 years since I last played baseball  
Greg from LI : 10/30/2014 4:08 pm : link
But I can't say I remember having to alter my stride all that much to hit the bag. Then again, I'm slower than molassas.
it's not so much comparing  
Enzo : 10/30/2014 4:09 pm : link
MLB attendance numbers to other sports, it's comparing the rise in MLB attendance to what they used to draw during their so called "golden age or even 20-30 years ago.
"In 1992, nearly half the teams in the sport (12 of 26) drew less than 2 million customers. By 2013, the 30 clubs averaged nearly 2.5 million per franchise, with eight of them topping 3 million."
Keep in mind this has taken place as most teams are playing in smaller stadiums. Surging revenue and attendance does not indicate a sport in decline.
RE: It's been almost 20 years since I last played baseball  
Dunedin81 : 10/30/2014 4:10 pm : link
In comment 11948635 Greg from LI said:
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But I can't say I remember having to alter my stride all that much to hit the bag. Then again, I'm slower than molassas.


It's probably an instinctive adjustment you make as you get closer, but your sprinter stride whether you are tall or short is going to cover several feet so intuitively you're unlikely to be primed to land perfectly on the bag.
RE: it's not so much comparing  
Dunedin81 : 10/30/2014 4:15 pm : link
In comment 11948638 Enzo said:
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MLB attendance numbers to other sports, it's comparing the rise in MLB attendance to what they used to draw during their so called "golden age or even 20-30 years ago.
"In 1992, nearly half the teams in the sport (12 of 26) drew less than 2 million customers. By 2013, the 30 clubs averaged nearly 2.5 million per franchise, with eight of them topping 3 million."
Keep in mind this has taken place as most teams are playing in smaller stadiums. Surging revenue and attendance does not indicate a sport in decline.


It's a fair point and a good one, but attendance peaked in the last decade, at the tail end of the steroid era, and has fallen slightly and plateaued since then. Increases in attendance tracked population increases and expansion more than particular increases in enthusiasm, though minor league baseball has become popular in the same timeframe. Baseball has largely disappeared from network television in most places absent a game of the week and the postseason (really just the WS, FS1 had a number of postseason games). As a percentage, fewer people are watching the World Series unless it's the Yankees, Cards or the Sox or a mid-market that has been absent for awhile. They did a good job taking advantage of new media and that is positive, but on the whole things aren't particularly promising. With the retirement of Jeter who in the game is truly recognizable to non-fans? Maybe David Ortiz, maybe.
Hopefully the next commissioner will have half a clue on how to market  
Greg from LI : 10/30/2014 4:35 pm : link
the game, because the exiting one sure as hell didn't. For God's sake, play an afternoon World Series game for once so kids can actually watch it rather than be in bed by the third inning!
Aaaah  
figgy2989 : 10/30/2014 4:37 pm : link
Afternoon World Series games, those were the days!

It's to the point now where you get excited when the NLCS and ALCS are on the same day and one plays at 4:30!
RE: enzo  
MetsAreBack : 10/30/2014 4:39 pm : link
In comment 11948348 MarshallOnMontana said:
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Within a decade, the nba should surpass mlb in revenues as well. Within a generation, we wont even recognize them as competitors. A generation ago, they werent even on the same planet



Congrats! Job well done. What do you win?

And believing people were 5-1 or even 4-2 in favor of you trolling the game 2 thread is hilarious. First, 4 people might have made one passing 1 or 2 line post to the comment. That hardly shows significant interest in the subject that has been discussed ad nausuem on this site now.

Second, Mook and I were just the only ones who bothered to call you out on it. Most people just ignore you at this point.

But by all means, proceed with your mission to prove that basketball is just the bestest.
RE: RE: enzo  
Greg from LI : 10/30/2014 4:42 pm : link
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Congrats! Job well done. What do you win?


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speedywheels : 10/30/2014 5:33 pm : link
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Think they played with fire rolling 39 year old Hudson and Affeldt out there for the first 4 innings. Hudson has been pretty damn lousy in the playoffs too




I thought Bochy played that perfectly - he took Hudson out at the first sign of trouble. Personally I would have went with Petit instead of Affeldt, but Bochy certainly knows his guys.

Again, I didn't have an issue with Hudson since he is a veteran and has been in big games before. If his choice was Vogelsong (or anyone else for that matter) - then yeah, I would have chosen Bumgarner no question...

Giants have been pretty lousy at drafting position players under Sabean but g-ddamn, they know how to grow pitchers!



You bring in Affeldt because he hasn't given up a run in forever and he's a lefthander facing a heavily left handed lineup. Petit had given up 5 hits in his WS appearances.


And Petit had been lights out the entire playoffs before that, and was getting out both lefties and righties very consistently. Not to mention that Petit could have gone deeper in the game that Affeldt could, if need be. Obviously, Bochy knew he was going to bring in Bumgarner so he didn't need a long guy...
RE: Panik  
TheNeumann64 : 10/30/2014 6:16 pm : link
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is also a NY'er for those that didn't know. Went to St. John's 2009 and 2010, went to John Jay high school I believe


Yeah he went to John Jay in Dutchess County (also where I went, although I graduated in 2004). I have friends who played on travel teams and stuff with him, plus he was on the Varsity team when he was in 8th Grade (my Senior year), so even though I don't know him, a lot my friends do, and everyone's pretty pumped here. I was actually rooting for KC, but a local guy from my High School winning, and making a huge play is pretty awesome.
RE: RE: outside of advertisers  
UConn4523 : 10/30/2014 8:17 pm : link
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and those making money (Leagues/Owners), who really cares about TV ratings?



enough that there are several successfull websites dedicated solely to the dissemination of such information. Enough that virtually every major newspaper covers them to some degree. You may not care, many people do have an interest


Thad all white noise, there's websites and companies devoted to the dumbest shit on the planet. It's like saying the waterboy is a good movie since it did well at the box office.

I don't care about NBA ratings on a MLB thread. You come off as having AJ agenda and its rubs people the wrong way. Who cares about TV ratings yet again?
Forget about ratings for a second  
Matt M. : 10/31/2014 12:49 am : link
Let's talk about the celebration. I obviously don't condone riots, nor are they ever appropriate. But, if your team loses, it's at least understandable where one of those riots may come from, especially with very drunken idiots. But, how the Hell do you riot after a win? What is the thought process there?

I don't think you would ever see this scene in NYC after a win or loss...ever.
Speaking of ratings..  
Sean : 10/31/2014 9:35 pm : link
a lousy NFL game on NFL Network more than doubled the viewers of the LeBron homecoming game. The power of the NFL.
I haven't watched a regular  
Route 9 in LEH : 10/31/2014 10:33 pm : link
season NBA game since maybe 2004?

Don't get me wrong, NBA players are freakishly talented and are on another planet when it comes to what they do but watching those games and story lines the media tries to create are so uninteresting. Last night was everything about the NBA that I hate. Lebron lost in his homecoming party to the Knicks. Wow. Who cares? Not me certainly. Not to say that I'm watching every baseball game every day in the summer but I'm not going to pretend like the NBA games arent a snooze fest, for me personally. Same goes with college basketball. Whether the ratings are up or not, I think that I have a firm grasp on what I can choose to watch or not to watch.
The NBA sucks.  
Exit 172 : 11/1/2014 9:46 am : link
Boring beyond words.
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SanFranGiantsFan : 11/1/2014 10:01 am : link
I'd rather watch a Wolves-76ers game in mid January than Game 7 of the World Series.
And I'd rather watch a re-run of Wonder Pets  
MetsAreBack : 11/1/2014 10:15 am : link
than read your posts
And wait a minute  
MetsAreBack : 11/1/2014 10:18 am : link
maybe you were being facetious, but "San Fran Giants fan" poster doesn't like baseball? ....and wouldn't watch the team he named his handle after in Game 7?

It's early in the morning, I apologize if I missed the sarcasm.


By the way, I liked how JoeMP kept referring to "we" as far as the NBA and its ratings vs baseball. As if he has anything to do whatsoever with the NBA. Narcissism at its best.
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Sean : 11/1/2014 10:36 am : link
In comment 11950600 SanFranGiantsFan said:
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I'd rather watch a Wolves-76ers game in mid January than Game 7 of the World Series.


I like you as a poster, but man do you really love to inject your hatred for baseball. Especially you, someone who loves politics and appreciates Anerican history cannot grasp the importance of baseball in our society from a historical standpoint.

Let's keep in mind about baseball too, while it isn't the same from a national perspective, regionally it dominated in the ratings from all the local teams, so people still do care.
RE: And wait a minute  
Exit 172 : 11/1/2014 11:22 am : link
In comment 11950612 MetsAreBack said:
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maybe you were being facetious, but "San Fran Giants fan" poster doesn't like baseball? ....and wouldn't watch the team he named his handle after in Game 7?

It's early in the morning, I apologize if I missed the sarcasm.


By the way, I liked how JoeMP kept referring to "we" as far as the NBA and its ratings vs baseball. As if he has anything to do whatsoever with the NBA. Narcissism at its best.


His handle is not about the baseball team.
RE: RE: And wait a minute  
spike : 11/1/2014 11:44 am : link
In comment 11950668 Exit 172 said:
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maybe you were being facetious, but "San Fran Giants fan" poster doesn't like baseball? ....and wouldn't watch the team he named his handle after in Game 7?

It's early in the morning, I apologize if I missed the sarcasm.


By the way, I liked how JoeMP kept referring to "we" as far as the NBA and its ratings vs baseball. As if he has anything to do whatsoever with the NBA. Narcissism at its best.



His handle is not about the baseball team.


maybe he didn't enjoy the rioting that occurred after each SF Giants WS victories
RE: RE: And wait a minute  
MetsAreBack : 11/1/2014 1:12 pm : link
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His handle is not about the baseball team.



I mean i'm not sure why I should care - but if "San Fran Giants fan" isn't about the baseball team, then what is it about? I mean "Mets are Back" isn't about the Mets? You don't have anything to do with Exit 172 off some turnpike?

What is this world coming to?
I think his handle just means that he's a NYG fan in SF.  
arcarsenal : 11/1/2014 1:20 pm : link
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Route 9 in LEH : 11/1/2014 1:55 pm : link
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His handle is not about the baseball team.




I mean i'm not sure why I should care - but if "San Fran Giants fan" isn't about the baseball team, then what is it about? I mean "Mets are Back" isn't about the Mets? You don't have anything to do with Exit 172 off some turnpike?

What is this world coming to?


Watch your fucking tone. Highway signs are everything. Some turnpike? I think it's the GSP he's referring to...

"Sarcasm off"
RE: I think his handle just means that he's a NYG fan in SF.  
MetsAreBack : 11/1/2014 2:05 pm : link
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Well then that's just a very poorly thought out handle (unlike MAB). SanFranNYGiantsFan... or SanFranNYGfan.... much much clearer.
RE: RE: I think his handle just means that he's a NYG fan in SF.  
Route 9 in LEH : 11/1/2014 2:15 pm : link
In comment 11950792 MetsAreBack said:
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Well then that's just a very poorly thought out handle (unlike MAB). SanFranNYGiantsFan... or SanFranNYGfan.... much much clearer.


I actually think MetsAreBack is one of the worst handles on here. No offense. You include a baseball team in your handle on a football message board? Kind of ...odd. Unless you're yankees78 ;-)

Plus, Mets are back from what?

How is it his fault if he lives in SF and there's a Giants team there? It's not as lame as "NewJerseyGiantsFan" !!
To be fair to MAB..  
arcarsenal : 11/1/2014 2:20 pm : link
The Mets were making a resurgence back around that time. They were one swing away from a WS they almost certainly would have won the next year. Looks silly now since they've reverted to sucking for the past 6 years or so.. but, hey.. the hindsight thing. Can't blame the guy. Pedro and Beltran had just jumped on board, it was an exciting time for Met fans.
What Arc said  
MetsAreBack : 11/1/2014 5:48 pm : link

plus, it still works:

-Mets are back.. to sucking

-Mets are back... to the golf course

Anyway, I could change it but that would be very JoeMP of me (though I do admit that MoM is a very good handle)

I will say though, how strange that someone thinks mentioning a baseball team on a football message board is "one of the worst handles here" Just wreaks of an agenda.

First of all, its proven fact that anything with a "z" in the handle is the worst. Second, no offense to Greg from LI.... but (Person X) from (Place Y) ... sounds like someone calling into WFAN. Lacks any originality whatsoever.

And Finally, since we're on the subject, I just want to say that the worst poster here is Brett. There, cat's out of the bag. Happy Saturday Brett. Mediocre Fuck.
mediocre  
MookGiants : 11/1/2014 5:51 pm : link
is a compliment to that cock gobbler
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Route 9 in LEH : 11/1/2014 5:53 pm : link
Yeah?
I will give you the nod  
Route 9 in LEH : 11/1/2014 5:55 pm : link
The "z" is terrible. What was that one nitwit we had, BeeZ?
Yes, Exit 172 is indeed the last exit on the Garden State Parkway N.  
Exit 172 : 11/1/2014 6:49 pm : link
And I haven't lived in that area in over 10 years.
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