NFT: World Series Game 7 Tonight

Danny Murtaugh (Pirates, 1960 and 1971 WS)
Cito Gaston (back to back with the Jays in 1992-1993)
Ralph Houk (back to back with the Yanks in 1961-1962)
Tom Kelly (Twins, 1987 and 1991)

So it's not a lock that a manager gets in with 2, although Murtaugh and Houk should be in the hall

But once a manager gets 3 they are in rarefied air. Only Stengel, McCarthy, Mack, Alston, Huggins, Sparky Anderson, Torre, La Russa and John McGraw won at least 3 before tonight. So Bochy is a HoF lock

55.2 IP

1.02 ERA

Pitched in 7 games and the Giants won 6 of them. Only blemish was loss to Nats, in which he pitched 6 shutout innings and then tired in the 7th and gave up 3 runs.

Performance for the ages.

which is a postseason record for innings pitched

In comment 11947708 B in ALB said:

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wearing a marlins jersey doing with his hands? What the fuck was that? Is that a grown man doing that? What the fuck?

He is a multi-millionaire who is enjoying his wealth any way he wants. The Royals offered him a luxury suite, autographed jerseys, baseballs, bats and everything they could think of to move him out from behind the plate. He declined. Why?

"My friends won't see me up there.'

Freaking great to be independently wealthy!

In comment 11947749 MookGiants said:

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how tough this one is to take as a Royals fan. They'll likely never get back to this point or anywhere close. What a kick in the nuts

Total "kick in the nuts" not winning. But they can get back.

In comment 11947769 Ralph.C said:

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In comment 11947708 B in ALB said: Quote: wearing a marlins jersey doing with his hands? What the fuck was that? Is that a grown man doing that? What the fuck? He is a multi-millionaire who is enjoying his wealth any way he wants. The Royals offered him a luxury suite, autographed jerseys, baseballs, bats and everything they could think of to move him out from behind the plate. He declined. Why? "My friends won't see me up there.' Freaking great to be independently wealthy!

I think he's got a good amount of money but not sure if he's a multi-millionaire. Well I guess he could be because it sounds like for years he just saved all of his money as a lawyer with the anticipation of having kids buying a house getting married etc and that never happened, so now he's spending all of that money.

Good for him

In comment 11947773 MookGiants said:

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In comment 11947769 Ralph.C said: Quote: In comment 11947708 B in ALB said: Quote: wearing a marlins jersey doing with his hands? What the fuck was that? Is that a grown man doing that? What the fuck? He is a multi-millionaire who is enjoying his wealth any way he wants. The Royals offered him a luxury suite, autographed jerseys, baseballs, bats and everything they could think of to move him out from behind the plate. He declined. Why? "My friends won't see me up there.' Freaking great to be independently wealthy! I think he's got a good amount of money but not sure if he's a multi-millionaire. Well I guess he could be because it sounds like for years he just saved all of his money as a lawyer with the anticipation of having kids buying a house getting married etc and that never happened, so now he's spending all of that money. Good for him

I know that he tours the country's major sporting events. I also know that he lives in Florida. Maybe "multi-millionaire" is a bit speculative on my part. But the dude had one of the best seats in the house for the World Series. He must be doing quite well.

Madison Bumgarner and Buster Posey introduced at the Opening Ceremony of the SF Giants Wall of Fame.

The preliminary numbers for game 7 almost double the audience for every other game of the series. They needed a game 7 to boost the rating of what otherwise has been a trainwreck, and they got it. Series was averaging a 7.3 rating through 6 games, looks like it did about a 14 to 15 last night, which could be the biggest audience in a decade. Should lift the series average into the 8.3 to 8.5 range. It will still fall short of the nba finals for a 5th consecutive year, even though this years finals only went 5 games that were largely uncompetitive to boot

but last night was a very good number for baseball. This series absolutely needed it.

the World Series was on in my house. The NBA was not, despite me having 3 TVs in the living room and the free preview of the NBA pass available.

and those making money (Leagues/Owners), who really cares about TV ratings?

In comment 11947749 MookGiants said:

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how tough this one is to take as a Royals fan. They'll likely never get back to this point or anywhere close. What a kick in the nuts

Such a shame. They always have those memories of booing Cano for no reason to console them.

In short, fuck em.

Go away.

In comment 11948024 UConn4523 said:

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and those making money (Leagues/Owners), who really cares about TV ratings?

enough that there are several successfull websites dedicated solely to the dissemination of such information. Enough that virtually every major newspaper covers them to some degree. You may not care, many people do have an interest

Joe is to TV ratings what hudson is to crowd splits.

In comment 11948041 arcarsenal said:

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Joe is to TV ratings what hudson is to crowd splits.

Joe only does this so he can post the difference between MLB and the NBA. It gives him some sort of validation. Sad really.

That ive been calling destined for about a decade now, largely falling on non believing ears here for much of that time

but theres no need to beat this dead horse much longer. When you win head to head for 5 straight years, sign a tv deal worth double that of baseballs, and dwarf them in audience under 50, there is no need to dignify baseball with the comparison any longer

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In comment 11948065 MarshallOnMontana said:

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That ive been calling destined for about a decade now, largely falling on non believing ears here for much of that time but theres no need to beat this dead horse much longer. When you win head to head for 5 straight years, sign a tv deal worth double that of baseballs, and dwarf them in audience under 50, there is no need to dignify baseball with the comparison any longer

Who the fuck cares but the insecure troll?

Or is it the guy getting all hot and bothered by the mere mention of the tv ratings? People who feel the need to tell you they dont care.........

Youre more than insecure, youre certified batshit. Theres a long list of people here who know the deal with you. This goes 3 or 4 more posts youll probably be stalking me

When any of the sports I watch on TV are in danger of being taken off the air entirely because of such terrible TV ratings (which will never happen), I'll care about ratings.

Until then, I could not possibly care less. They have zero impact on me following the sports I follow.

In comment 11948076 MarshallOnMontana said:

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Or is it the guy getting all hot and bothered by the mere mention of the tv ratings? People who feel the need to tell you they dont care......... Youre more than insecure, youre certified batshit. Theres a long list of people here who know the deal with you. This goes 3 or 4 more posts youll probably be stalking me

Several people have told you on multiple threads that you're trolling but you keep at it. That just screams self confidence. As far as stalking goes, I don't go near NBA threads. You're safe. Unless you continue to troll the baseball threads.

Is the only person i recall saying anything the last time i posted it, and he was outnumbered about 5 to 1 by people who expressed an interest in discussion. Hell that generated more discussion than the entire series itelf before game 7

and i wasnt refering to online stalking, given your history those who have been around long enough know enough to know you go the extra mile.

You dont care about tv ratings. Good for you. Then a fly by single post on the matter shouldnt generate 4th and 5th replies out of you now. But it does.

In comment 11948096 MarshallOnMontana said:

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and i wasnt refering to online stalking, given your history those who have been around long enough know enough to know you go the extra mile.

I giggled.

In comment 11948096 MarshallOnMontana said:

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Is the only person i recall saying anything the last time i posted it, and he was outnumbered about 5 to 1 by people who expressed an interest in discussion. Hell that generated more discussion than the entire series itelf before game 7 and i wasnt refering to online stalking, given your history those who have been around long enough know enough to know you go the extra mile. You dont care about tv ratings. Good for you. Then a fly by single post on the matter shouldnt generate 4th and 5th replies out of you now. But it does.

5-1? Some imagination you have there Joe. It was 4-2 against you, and the 2 who were in the conversation lasted a whole 6 posts total.
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In comment 11947744 MookGiants said:

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basically just said they had his pitch count about where he ended, so figure 70. Knowing that, you have to start him. His offense bailed him out because if the Royals get up in that game going into the 5th inning they are bringing the game home. He risked Hudson/Affeldt giving up 3-4 runs and never being able to use Bumgarner in a big spot to save him and I'm still puzzled why. If he only has a couple innings, then you use him in the middle of the game wherever you need it. That's what everyone assumed going into the game. But based on what Bochy said, that was clearly not their plan. I hope someone asks him about this in the post-game. I'm sure they'll all be too busy talking about how much of a genius he was saving him til the 5th.

He WAS a genius for bringing him in when he did.

As I said on another thread - the specter of Bumgarner looming was a HUGE physiological advantage.

If you start him, the Royals know he will only pitch 3,4, 5 innings tops, which means they will still have 4,5,6 innings on the back end to get runs. But by starting Hudson - who is not some 22 year old rookie, but a veteran who has pitched in big games - it forced to Royals to think "oh, shit, we better score early, because once Bumgarner comes in, the game is over". They scored two, but wasn't going to be nearly enough.

If you were the Royals, who would you rather face in the late innings - Bumgarner, or anyone else on that staff? Pretty easy answer...

psychological, not physiological - damn autocorrect..

And baseball's popularity is clearly in decline. The fan demographics paint a very scary picture for the future of the sport. There are major question marks about the sport's long-term health.

But it's just annoying to hear about how baseball is dying a slow painful death when we just saw one of the greatest games of the last 25 years less than 24 hours ago.

We know that baseball's future isn't pretty but last night was just a hell of a game.

The series went 7 but it wasn't really an exciting series at all. But game 7 was just excellent.

I'm still in shock at how calm Bumgarner was after the game. It literally scares me how ho-hum he was about it. This guy showed absolutely no emotion after delivering one of the great sporting performances in recent memory. Even Eli always smiles and looks so happy when we win a SB, Bumgarner looked like he didn't care. His smile almost seemed forced lol. The definition of the phrase "ice water in his veins" should have a picture of Madison Bumgarner next to it.

I forgot mook made a post

who am i missing other than he and m.a.b on the thread im talking about.? And there is a good 5 or so posters discussing/mentioning the ratings at some point on the thread whether they were directly engaged in discussion with me or not. I was not even the first nor the 2nd person on that thread to mention the subject of tv ratings

You are absolutely right. I was watching the post game and the interviews he gave on the field and then during the full PC.

It is quite eeery how this guy showed absolutely no emotion whatsoever. I guess that is just his personality, but you would think a guy who just completed one of the greatest pitching peformances in World Series History might be a little more excited?

But, he is only 25 and has pitched in three different WS already, so I guess it could be the "been there, done that" attitude.

In comment 11948129 MarshallOnMontana said:

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I forgot mook made a post who am i missing other than he and m.a.b on the thread im talking about.? And there is a good 5 or so posters discussing/mentioning the ratings at some point on the thread whether they were directly engaged in discussion with me or not. I was not even the first nor the 2nd person on that thread to mention the subject of tv ratings

I have no particular issue with a ratings discussion, I think it is relevant to the future of the game. The problem people have is that you seem to have a bizarre fixation with shitting on baseball to bolster the relevant position of your own preferred sport, basketball. Which is off-putting and a little strange.

Believe it or not, thats the biggest reason i posted it. Like i said on the first thread, trolling would be to make a fly by comment when the game does a 7 and then not mention a thing when it does a 12 a 13. I havent even posted a rating before today since game 2, that includes not bringing up 2 record lows that transpired since. Game did a 14 or 15 last night, and thats the first rating ive posted here in over a week

duned, thats always been the natural comparison because of their relative closeness.

In comment 11948116 speedywheels said:

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In comment 11947744 MookGiants said: Quote: basically just said they had his pitch count about where he ended, so figure 70. Knowing that, you have to start him. His offense bailed him out because if the Royals get up in that game going into the 5th inning they are bringing the game home. He risked Hudson/Affeldt giving up 3-4 runs and never being able to use Bumgarner in a big spot to save him and I'm still puzzled why. If he only has a couple innings, then you use him in the middle of the game wherever you need it. That's what everyone assumed going into the game. But based on what Bochy said, that was clearly not their plan. I hope someone asks him about this in the post-game. I'm sure they'll all be too busy talking about how much of a genius he was saving him til the 5th. He WAS a genius for bringing him in when he did. As I said on another thread - the specter of Bumgarner looming was a HUGE physiological advantage. If you start him, the Royals know he will only pitch 3,4, 5 innings tops, which means they will still have 4,5,6 innings on the back end to get runs. But by starting Hudson - who is not some 22 year old rookie, but a veteran who has pitched in big games - it forced to Royals to think "oh, shit, we better score early, because once Bumgarner comes in, the game is over". They scored two, but wasn't going to be nearly enough. If you were the Royals, who would you rather face in the late innings - Bumgarner, or anyone else on that staff? Pretty easy answer...

Speedy, the problem is if the Royals had the lead going into the 5th inning the game was over imo. I don't think they had a prayer to score against that bullpen in the late innings. It was very risky, in the end he was bailed out by his offense getting a few runs. If that game is 3-1 going into the 5th you can turn the lights out on the Giants season. I know Casilla hasn't pitched in a while but he hasn't given up a run in a post season game in what seems like forever and the Giants have a pretty nice bullpen themselves. Think they played with fire rolling 39 year old Hudson and Affeldt out there for the first 4 innings. Hudson has been pretty damn lousy in the playoffs too

In comment 11947749 MookGiants said:

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how tough this one is to take as a Royals fan. They'll likely never get back to this point or anywhere close. What a kick in the nuts

Agreed. Reminds me of Butler hoops a few years ago, who managed to get back only to lose again.

There were at least 2 balls that Ishikawa doesn't catch.

The NBA is such a terrible product. This is coming from someone who watches more basketball than baseball these days... including more NBA than MLB. Much more actually.

But there was a moment yesterday during the Knicks game where they were down by 25 and they covered 1/4 of the screen with a huge Taylor Swift advertisement. It was embarrassing. I know ads are everywhere throughout all of sports but that was just so shameless and so removed from anything on the court. There was no respect for the team getting blown out and the announcers were flat out giddy during their part of the ad.

I was with a few buddies and all of us were cringing. You may love the fact that basketball is getting better ratings, but in my experience, so many of the people watching really don't give a shit about basketball, especially compared to baseball or hockey where almost everyone watching is emotionally invested.

Baseball is a game. Basketball (or more specifically, the NBA) is a cheesy production that is more interested in plastering celebrities on the screen than presenting a quality game.

And again... this is all coming from someone who is contributing to the rising ratings.

In comment 11948202 Peter in Atlanta said:

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There were at least 2 balls that Ishikawa doesn't catch.

Eh, the Aoki ball may have been caught by Ishikawa. Nice play but that was more positioning than anything. Not an easy catch but not a hard one either, not sure of the other one you're thinking of.

Perez defense almost turned a double into an inside the park home run too.

The guy who really saved Bochy imo was Panik. That rocket off of Hosmer's bat gets by him like it does most and i dont think the Giants ever get the lead in that game again. The flip was great too. Affeldt was about to make a mess of that inning

is also a NY'er for those that didn't know. Went to St. John's 2009 and 2010, went to John Jay high school I believe

In comment 11948216 MookGiants said:

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In comment 11948202 Peter in Atlanta said: Quote: There were at least 2 balls that Ishikawa doesn't catch. Eh, the Aoki ball may have been caught by Ishikawa. Nice play but that was more positioning than anything. Not an easy catch but not a hard one either, not sure of the other one you're thinking of. Perez defense almost turned a double into an inside the park home run too. The guy who really saved Bochy imo was Panik. That rocket off of Hosmer's bat gets by him like it does most and i dont think the Giants ever get the lead in that game again. The flip was great too. Affeldt was about to make a mess of that inning

The Aoki ball was not a difficult catch for an every day outfielder. The same can be said about the one Moustakas hit when Gordon tagged to 3rd. Ishikawa is not an outfielder.

Im not going to derail this any further, but thats a bunch of crap. If you like the game of basketball, the skill level and depth of talent has never been greater than it is today. Lack of expansion and globalization has made for a better product than ever. You may not realize it, or may not just be a big basketball fan. Thats fine. Its also extremely dumb to center a point on one game played between a title contender and a lotto team

In comment 11948194 MookGiants said:

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In comment 11948116 speedywheels said: Quote: In comment 11947744 MookGiants said: Quote: Think they played with fire rolling 39 year old Hudson and Affeldt out there for the first 4 innings. Hudson has been pretty damn lousy in the playoffs too

I thought Bochy played that perfectly - he took Hudson out at the first sign of trouble. Personally I would have went with Petit instead of Affeldt, but Bochy certainly knows his guys.

Again, I didn't have an issue with Hudson since he is a veteran and has been in big games before. If his choice was Vogelsong (or anyone else for that matter) - then yeah, I would have chosen Bumgarner no question...

Giants have been pretty lousy at drafting position players under Sabean but g-ddamn, they know how to grow pitchers!

In comment 11948229 MarshallOnMontana said:

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Im not going to derail this any further, but thats a bunch of crap. If you like the game of basketball, the skill level and depth of talent has never been greater than it is today. Lack of expansion and globalization has made for a better product than ever. You may not realize it, or may not just be a big basketball fan. Thats fine. Its also extremely dumb to center a point on one game played between a title contender and a lotto team

That one went right over your head, huh? He's not talking about the quality of the basketball, he's talking about the presentation of the game.

I was reacting to the comment about the terrible product, i may have missed his point. But i kind of dismiseed the rest of the post after that as an old man rant from a young man. Complaining about advertisements as if thats unique to the nba, calling the nba "not a game but a cheesy production", generally isnt a comment worthy of much back and forth

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baseball's economics you know that the sport has never been in better financial shape, attendance has never been better and the local TV deals are enormous. Exhibit A is the payrolls as 24 MLB teams had payrolls this season north of $85 million. The NBA had 2 (both NY teams). The NBA should be proud of it's national TV deal, but MLB is cleaning up on the local level to a degree that the NBA simply has yet to approach.

In comment 11948233 speedywheels said:

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In comment 11948194 MookGiants said: Quote: In comment 11948116 speedywheels said: Quote: In comment 11947744 MookGiants said: Quote: Think they played with fire rolling 39 year old Hudson and Affeldt out there for the first 4 innings. Hudson has been pretty damn lousy in the playoffs too I thought Bochy played that perfectly - he took Hudson out at the first sign of trouble. Personally I would have went with Petit instead of Affeldt, but Bochy certainly knows his guys. Again, I didn't have an issue with Hudson since he is a veteran and has been in big games before. If his choice was Vogelsong (or anyone else for that matter) - then yeah, I would have chosen Bumgarner no question... Giants have been pretty lousy at drafting position players under Sabean but g-ddamn, they know how to grow pitchers!

You bring in Affeldt because he hasn't given up a run in forever and he's a lefthander facing a heavily left handed lineup. Petit had given up 5 hits in his WS appearances.

Every sport is in the best financial shape theyve ever been. Its hard to argue that baseball has ever been any less relevant than it is now though.

With regards to payroll, get back to me when the cap rises from the national tv deal that doubled baseball up. That was a game changer, and when it kicks in the landscape changes even more

baseball still does well regionally. All in all, they and the nba are still highly comparable in terms of popularity. But if you cant see how things are trending, i dont know what to tell you. And when you look at the demographics, this is a trend that has not even come close to reaching its peak. The average age of the world series viewer was 55. Where does that put them a generation from now?

In comment 11948243 MarshallOnMontana said:

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I was reacting to the comment about the terrible product, i may have missed his point. But i kind of dismiseed the rest of the post after that as an old man rant from a young man. Complaining about advertisements as if thats unique to the nba, calling the nba "not a game but a cheesy production", generally isnt a comment worthy of much back and forth

Then you really did miss the point. I sit through 3.5 hour football games where they play football for about 20 minutes. I get that ads are part of sports, especially popular sports.

This wasn't just an ad. This was an agenda to promote themselves as a beacon of celebrity involvement as much as it was an ad for Taylor Swift. The Knicks announcers were clamoring over her when they should've been subdued as the hometown team was getting schooled in their home opener.

Nobody involved really seemed to care about what was happening on the court.

This wasn't just an ad. It both an ad for Taylor Swift and a self-gratifying "look at us, Taylor Swift is here!" message. No one really cared what was happening with the New York Knicks.