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Headhunter : 10/30/2014 7:51 am
I always wanted to make something official. Anyway the corner has been turned and relevancy and contention are real possibilities.Gone is the feeling that it will get worse before it gets better. This is a critical offseason and with a few " non-sexy" but solid moves, they should contend. The Giants and Royals proved good pitching goes a long way and the one thing the Mets have is the best young pitching in baseball. What do you want to see Alderson do in the next few months?
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Not  
DanMetroMan : 11/6/2014 2:44 pm : link
a fan of this guy but I could see them looking into Viciedo as well
If the Mets are going to be a bottom half of the league  
Deej : 11/6/2014 3:26 pm : link
team in payroll then they're not blowing prospects trading for the right to pay guys $15+ million per. Show me one low budget team that does trades like that.

And yes, it is ridiculous that our budget is going to be in the $90 million range. We're easily a top 10 team by revenue, probably top 5 with our SNY share.
They've said the payroll will rise with attendance- it's ass backwards  
Eric on Li : 11/6/2014 3:30 pm : link
but that might mean it's feasible to get another big contract on the books, especially if league average players are going to be getting 14-15M going forward.

@Dan - I think they will be pretty aggressive this year. The fact that they've already basically crapped on the entire FA market is a good sign, and with each name that pops up as 'available' it's looking better and better that the option of giving Cuddyer 12M is off the table.
RE: They've said the payroll will rise with attendance- it's ass backwards  
DanMetroMan : 11/6/2014 3:33 pm : link
In comment 11962813 Eric on Li said:
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but that might mean it's feasible to get another big contract on the books, especially if league average players are going to be getting 14-15M going forward.

@Dan - I think they will be pretty aggressive this year. The fact that they've already basically crapped on the entire FA market is a good sign, and with each name that pops up as 'available' it's looking better and better that the option of giving Cuddyer 12M is off the table.


I'm giving up my fanhood if they sign Cuddyer at this point at the cost of #15 lol
Unless they completely strike out and can get him cheap in Feb  
Eric on Li : 11/6/2014 3:39 pm : link
I think there's no chance they sign Cuddyer. They're going to be aggressive trading for an OF'er. Quality of player is still to be determined, but it seems like there will be enough guys on the market who are similar or better fits than Cuddyer.
RE: Unless they completely strike out and can get him cheap in Feb  
DanMetroMan : 11/6/2014 3:43 pm : link
In comment 11962830 Eric on Li said:
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I think there's no chance they sign Cuddyer. They're going to be aggressive trading for an OF'er. Quality of player is still to be determined, but it seems like there will be enough guys on the market who are similar or better fits than Cuddyer.


Giving up that pick to pay him 15.3 million would be a true farce. In fact, something crappy like Gomes/MDD likely doesn't give you THAT much less production.
PS  
DanMetroMan : 11/6/2014 3:44 pm : link
I don't think they are that dumb.
Mets interested in Alexei Ramirez  
Eric on Li : 11/6/2014 4:37 pm : link
I think that would be a great signing personally. Good contract, decent bat, good glove. A lot to like.
White Sox Receiving Interest In Alexei Ramirez - ( New Window )
Flores's job to lose  
Headhunter : 11/6/2014 4:49 pm : link
Invest in a LF for 1-2 years, preferably a Right Handed bat.
I  
DanMetroMan : 11/6/2014 4:50 pm : link
wouldn't give up a ton for any 30+ pending FA. He's 33 years old, good season and you are looking at having to lock him up 34-35-36-37 at minimum. Certainly an upgrade but rentals make more sense for true contenders in my view. Mets aren't yet there.
Strike  
DanMetroMan : 11/6/2014 4:54 pm : link
that, has a team option. I'd be more interested now.
Flores rated as a plus defender  
Headhunter : 11/6/2014 4:57 pm : link
even if he didn't look it. Nobody else wants to see the numbers Wilmer will put up with 550 AB's?
I'd  
DanMetroMan : 11/6/2014 4:59 pm : link
prefer Flores and a veteran turd like Drew as insurance to be honest. White Sox don't have a SS who is close so my guess is they are going to try and bleed the market. Ramirez is solid but not a difference maker. Unless it was a shockingly sweet deal I'd pass. Teams like the Yankees and Dodgers may need a SS (among others) and make more sense honestly.
In his ESPN Insider's column The GM's Office  
Headhunter : 11/6/2014 5:03 pm : link
Jim Bowden says the Mets will make the Playoffs after missing the last 8 years. Pitching and bounce backs from Wright and Granderson
I'd make it Flores  
pjcas18 : 11/6/2014 5:12 pm : link
job to lose. If Drew isn't going to cost 10M+ for a year I'd have no problem with him as insurance, but I prefer to just let Flores lose the job and have someone like Tovar back him up.

Tovar can play 2b as well as SS, so if he's going to be a major leaguer, do it now or get him off the 40-man.


They could have a good problem  
Headhunter : 11/6/2014 5:14 pm : link
IF Matt Reynolds who they are really high on continues to light it up in Vegas April May June
RE: I'd make it Flores  
DanMetroMan : 11/6/2014 5:15 pm : link
In comment 11962971 pjcas18 said:
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job to lose. If Drew isn't going to cost 10M+ for a year I'd have no problem with him as insurance, but I prefer to just let Flores lose the job and have someone like Tovar back him up.

Tovar can play 2b as well as SS, so if he's going to be a major leaguer, do it now or get him off the 40-man.



PJ,
Drew was AWFUL this year. I'm thinking something like 3-4 million with incentives if he ends up playing X amount (even at another position).
Pass on Ramirez.  
arcarsenal : 11/6/2014 5:19 pm : link
I don't want an older dude. I want youth at SS and someone with some potential longevity. Enough stopgaps.

Moncada would be awesome but obviously I can't expect the Mets to actually spend competitively to acquire a guy like that..

Give Flores the job and we may even have internal options to back him up if need be.
Yeah  
pjcas18 : 11/6/2014 5:19 pm : link
he was terrible, one of the worst decisions Boras has made.

He's not known for mistakes, but I feel like he cost Drew a lot of money this past off-season - assuming it was Boras not Drew calling the shots.

and Drew getting on the field in Boston sealed his fate. As bad as Bogaerts was at SS, the fans practically booed every time Drew trotted out there.
they need a bench that can hit  
Headhunter : 11/6/2014 5:22 pm : link
as bad as the bullpen was prior to last year, the bench was worse and continues to filled by dreck
I  
DanMetroMan : 11/6/2014 5:24 pm : link
like Gomes off the bench (not as a starter as Cerrone has suggested).
Gomes would upgrade  
pjcas18 : 11/6/2014 5:26 pm : link
the bench bats, but he's a raging asshole you don't need in the clubhouse, seems like the Mets have been weeding out guys like that lately. As far as I can tell.
I wouldn't mind hanging onto Campbell as a bench guy.  
arcarsenal : 11/6/2014 5:27 pm : link
He can play a few positions and in a limited role, his bat is passable. He's just not an everyday player.
Nothing more disheartening than knowing if they are tied in the 8th  
Headhunter : 11/6/2014 5:29 pm : link
you are at a disadvantage when you go to the bench for PH's and you have nobody that belongs in the Majors to send up there and it is only a matter of time before they lose
Can you build a pitching team with Flores/Murph up the middle?  
Eric on Li : 11/6/2014 5:40 pm : link
I think that has to be a genuine concern. I also think it would be an equally significant concern to plan on breaking in both Flores/Herrera at the same time.

If I were the GM that's one of the key reasons (along with $) why I'm trading Murphy. And if Murph gets traded I'd be shocked if Flores isn't penciled in - which would make SS a pretty big need.

Ramirez is really solid all around, and depending on the cost of acquisition would be a really good interim solution (2 years) while waiting for a younger prospect to emerge.

Hoping for a bounce back season from Drew isn't an awful backup option assuming he's cheap, but he was pretty bad last year.
flores/murphy up the middle  
Giants2012 : 11/6/2014 5:47 pm : link
good lord, that's awful
RE: flores/murphy up the middle  
Eric on Li : 11/6/2014 5:57 pm : link
In comment 11963007 Giants2012 said:
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good lord, that's awful


Yup. I think you could certainly live with either at 2B, and I'd even consider Flores at SS under the right circumstance. But that circumstance would require a real good glove at 2nd and that player doesn't seem to be out there.
Dont forget TDA at C  
Deej : 11/6/2014 7:57 pm : link
he is not good defensively. Period.
ok GMs  
feelflows : 11/7/2014 8:21 am : link
suggest what you consider acceptable trades for:

Tulowitzki

and a separate trade for:

CarGon

I know what some of you wouldn't give up.. what WOULD you give up??
RE: ok GMs  
Eric on Li : 11/7/2014 9:31 am : link
In comment 11963492 feelflows said:
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suggest what you consider acceptable trades for:

Tulowitzki

and a separate trade for:

CarGon

I know what some of you wouldn't give up.. what WOULD you give up??



Tulo - I'd give up Thor, Plawecki, Reynolds. They get a headline piece that can be an elite power pitcher, another top 100 prospect that's close to the bigs, and a possible SS. I'd also hope they chip in a little bit of $. Unless there's more cash coming back that's the max of prospect value I'd give up considering the injury history. I'd also be willing to sub Murphy or Gee for either of Reynolds/Plawecki if the Rox were interested.

CarGo - Montero & MDD (or Kirk). In this one they'd also likely need to send some $ back to the Mets. CarGo's injuries seem more severe than Tulo's, plus obviously his road splits are more concerning. His contract is better though so i'd be willing to roll the dice with a non-Syndergaard package. Montero is a power arm who has pitched well in hitter's havens so i'd imagine the Rox will have some interest in him, plus they'd get back a versatile 4th OFer.

Alexei Ramriez - bonus trade, I'd do Montero or Plawecki & Tejada for Ramirez. The Chicago writer who broke the news that the Mets were interested said guys like Thor and Montero would interest the Sox, and while Montero would be a lot to give up for a 33 year old, he's a top 5 glove and won the silver slugger last year for the 2nd time. He's a potential 3 WAR player for 2 years at a reasonable contract. He'd be a really really solid addition until hopefully Ceccini or Rosario are closer. Tejada gives Chicago a cheap 1.5 WAR replacement while they wait for their big prospect to get to the bigs.
RE: ok GMs  
Shecky : 11/7/2014 9:55 am : link
In comment 11963492 feelflows said:
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suggest what you consider acceptable trades for:

Tulowitzki

and a separate trade for:

CarGon

I know what some of you wouldn't give up.. what WOULD you give up??


Since we are playing fantasy GM. I'd go all in. Make a deal for both carGo AND Tulo.
We can't afford it? If Colon, Murphy, Gee and Parnell are moved - we add $35mm and cut $28mm. Still a sub $100mm payroll.
Why would the Rockies do it? It's time to rebuild. Blow it up. It's unlikely, but getting rid of that much in contracts and receiving a ton of talent? Pretty impressive way for a new GM to start. Who keep in mind was a farm guy.
Why would the Mets do it? Seriously? Their three biggest holes plugged. LF, SS, and righty power. All while barely nudging payroll. And serious exciting the fan base! Spend an extra $7mm and can you imagine the next weeks worth of ticket sales, jersey sales and buzz???
To answer your question - what would it take?  
Shecky : 11/7/2014 10:00 am : link
Immediately offer any of our salary cuts to them. They could use help at 2b (Murphy, Herrera, Reynolds, Mazzilli), desperate for starters and pen help (wheeler, THOR, Montero, Matz, Verret, Pill, Colon, gee, Niese, Parnell, mejia, leather, etc). Send them TejadA or Matt Reynolds to replace Tulo. They don't need a reacement LF. They will wAnt TDA or Plawecki.

Pick and choose a package from above. Not likely, but certainly doable by both sides. Talent and financially.
Mets announce marked improvement in David Wrights left shoulder  
Headhunter : 11/7/2014 7:13 pm : link
No surgery=great news
Link - ( New Window )
Eric  
DanMetroMan : 11/7/2014 7:29 pm : link
that Montero/Tejada for Ramirez trade seems pretty fair. Doubt they have much interest in Plawecki since they seem to high on Phegley and have Flowers already. I also get the impression the Mets want to hold onto Plawecki as long as they can"just in case" given TDA's head injury issues. I'm sure in a megadeal they would give him up but in a "not necessary" deal like Ramirez I'd be pretty surprised.
RE: Mets announce marked improvement in David Wrights left shoulder  
arcarsenal : 11/7/2014 7:41 pm : link
In comment 11964675 Headhunter said:
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No surgery=great news Link - ( New Window )


Doesn't matter, he's just gonna need surgery anyway. This type of rehab won't help. He should just get the operation done now.
for me  
CGiants07 : 11/7/2014 8:06 pm : link



tulo: wheeler or thor +Murphy or plawecki + MDD


cargo : Montero + Murphy

Ramirez : Montero and tejeda
RE: Eric  
Eric on Li : 11/7/2014 8:16 pm : link
In comment 11964721 DanMetroMan said:
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that Montero/Tejada for Ramirez trade seems pretty fair. Doubt they have much interest in Plawecki since they seem to high on Phegley and have Flowers already. I also get the impression the Mets want to hold onto Plawecki as long as they can"just in case" given TDA's head injury issues. I'm sure in a megadeal they would give him up but in a "not necessary" deal like Ramirez I'd be pretty surprised.


I agree on both. Regarding Alexei, I don't think the other teams rumored to be interested would give up a lot (Yankees) because they can just go out and pony up cash instead of prospects for Hanley or Andrus. AR isn't a guy that moves the needle for them. I could see Oakland making a play for him, but I'm not sure they'll be looking to move good prospects after last year. The rumor leak from the CHI reporter strikes me as the White Sox putting it out there that he's available to see if other teams can top whatever the Mets have offered.

Honestly looking around the league if the Sox are willing to deal Ramirez I think Sandy will get him because he's such a great fit within their budget. From there I'd imagine they'll look for someone "interesting" to bring into the OF mix, possibly by trading Murphy or Colon (Victorino, Van Slyke, Snider, Saunders, maybe even Ethier with LA picking up most of the contract). If I was going to predict the off-season, that would be it.

The only crazy, longshot, "headline grabbing" move I could see is Tulo, because he's exactly what the team needs, but it would be an undeniable risk that will come at a high cost.
Marked improvement in Wright's shoulder while he isn't playing  
Giants2012 : 11/9/2014 12:41 pm : link
Wow, sounds healed. I'm sure once he starts playing it will remained healed.
Um,  
Headhunter : 11/9/2014 12:54 pm : link
thanks?
BP  
DanMetroMan : 11/10/2014 9:57 am : link
Mets top 10. Smith over Conforto is a shocker to me


The Top Ten

RHP Noah Syndergaard
LHP Steven Matz
OF Brandon Nimmo
SS Amed Rosario
C Kevin Plawecki
2B Dilson Herrera
RHP Marcos Molina
1B Dominic Smith
OF Michael Conforto
3B Jhoan Urena
RE: Um,  
Giants2012 : 11/10/2014 10:08 am : link
In comment 11966203 Headhunter said:
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thanks?


You're welcome?
.  
DanMetroMan : 11/10/2014 10:24 am : link
Joel Sherman ‏@Joelsherman1 2m2 minutes ago

#Rays are moving closer to dealing Jeremy Hellickson to an NL team. Likely this week
Report: Dodgers working hard to trade one of their outfielders  
sphinx : 11/10/2014 10:28 am : link
All three outfielders are under contract and owed a lot of money:

Kemp: $21 million in 2015; $21.5 million every season between 2016-19

Crawford: $20.5 million in 2015; $20.75 million in 16 and $21 million in 17

Ethier: $18 million in 2015; $18 million in 16, $17.5 million in 17, and a $17.5 million club option in 18 with a $2.5 million buyout



NBC HardballTalk - ( New Window )
I  
DanMetroMan : 11/10/2014 10:29 am : link
wouldn't take Ethier for free.
That is one overpaid outfield.  
Ten Ton Hammer : 11/10/2014 10:32 am : link
No thanks.
Crawford  
Shecky : 11/10/2014 10:56 am : link
Is the most likely future met of those three unless Dodgers ate most of Kemps $$. None of those three are likely thankfully.
Baseball Prospectus top 10 Minor Leaguers  
Headhunter : 11/10/2014 1:53 pm : link
1. RHP Noah Syndergaard
2. LHP Steven Matz
3. OF Brandon Nimmo
4. SS Amed Rosario
5. C Kevin Plawecki
6. 2B Dilson Herrera
7. RHP Marcos Molina
8. 1B Dominic Smith
9. OF Michael Conforto
10. 3B Jhoan Urena
Link - ( New Window )
Urena in the top 10 now..  
arcarsenal : 11/10/2014 1:56 pm : link
Fucking right.
funny how quickly  
Deej : 11/10/2014 2:05 pm : link
the all pitch, no hit system becomes batter heavy. It will be interesting to see what we do for lower minors arms going forward -- the guys to take the place of the big MLB arms in 5-6 years.
The sports pope just said  
figgy2989 : 11/10/2014 3:46 pm : link
That the Mets have signed Cuddyer to a two year deal.

No details as to he financials....

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