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Headhunter : 10/30/2014 7:51 am
I always wanted to make something official. Anyway the corner has been turned and relevancy and contention are real possibilities.Gone is the feeling that it will get worse before it gets better. This is a critical offseason and with a few " non-sexy" but solid moves, they should contend. The Giants and Royals proved good pitching goes a long way and the one thing the Mets have is the best young pitching in baseball. What do you want to see Alderson do in the next few months?
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DanMetroMan : 10/31/2014 12:44 pm : link
say this as someone who isn't gaga for Alex Gordon who is a good offensive player but whose value is very much weighted on his elite level LF play (which is legit) but just not the skillset of a guy I want to invest a huge deal in. But that's mostly on an entertainment level + "what happens if/when he loses a step"?
Gordon's WAR  
Deej : 10/31/2014 12:48 pm : link
I suspect any trading partner would discount it since so much of his value comes from playing superior defense at a less important position. He'll get paid like a prime 120 OPS player who is leaving his prime years, with some additional adjustment for playing a great LF. I dont think he gets paid like a 7 WAR (ie superstar), which he has been in 3 of 4 prime years.

I just dont see a GM plunking down $25 million per for a .265 hitter who you'll expect to get 15-20 HR and 10-15 SBs at a non-premium position. I get that it could be justifiable based on defensive #s, but I dont see any GM actually doing it.
RE: Gordon's WAR  
DanMetroMan : 10/31/2014 12:52 pm : link
In comment 11949751 Deej said:
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I suspect any trading partner would discount it since so much of his value comes from playing superior defense at a less important position. He'll get paid like a prime 120 OPS player who is leaving his prime years, with some additional adjustment for playing a great LF. I dont think he gets paid like a 7 WAR (ie superstar), which he has been in 3 of 4 prime years.

I just dont see a GM plunking down $25 million per for a .265 hitter who you'll expect to get 15-20 HR and 10-15 SBs at a non-premium position. I get that it could be justifiable based on defensive #s, but I dont see any GM actually doing it.


I'd suggest that will potentially effect his eventual contract than his trade value. Remember, all but one team in baseball currently has a full-time Sabermetric staff. There are teams that view defense as the most important aspect of the game (run prevention). But as I said the biggest issue with such an offer is Murphy is a pending FA making 8.1 million. That alone makes it a non-starter. If Daniel Murphy were making 3 million and locked up for 2-3 more, then MAYBE there would be an argument to be had for him in a deal. This does nothing for them.
Assuming  
DanMetroMan : 10/31/2014 12:53 pm : link
Gordon has his "usual" season in 2015, I suspect he still clears 100 million pretty easily. The only reason I would hedge on that prediction is he will be 32, but that did't stop Choo. At the very least Gordon will clear 20 million per if he has his usual season.
And that's exactly why IMO  
pjcas18 : 10/31/2014 12:56 pm : link
teams aren't giving up the farm for him (or part of the reason at least) and it's probably why he's not going to get an elite package of prospects. Again - NOT SAYING MURPHY SHOULD BE INCLUDED IN ANY TRADE, just he's not a guy in his situation I see teams offering a huge package of players for.

RE: And that's exactly why IMO  
DanMetroMan : 10/31/2014 1:00 pm : link
In comment 11949765 pjcas18 said:
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teams aren't giving up the farm for him (or part of the reason at least) and it's probably why he's not going to get an elite package of prospects. Again - NOT SAYING MURPHY SHOULD BE INCLUDED IN ANY TRADE, just he's not a guy in his situation I see teams offering a huge package of players for.


PJ,
I actually think despite all of the words used here by both of us... we agree lol
Just  
DanMetroMan : 10/31/2014 1:01 pm : link
as an example I'm sure the Royals are looking for the Dilson Herrera's of the world in a potential deal and not Murphy's.
I think you're right DMM  
pjcas18 : 10/31/2014 1:02 pm : link
LOL
RE: Assuming  
Deej : 10/31/2014 1:28 pm : link
In comment 11949761 DanMetroMan said:
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Gordon has his "usual" season in 2015, I suspect he still clears 100 million pretty easily. The only reason I would hedge on that prediction is he will be 32, but that did't stop Choo. At the very least Gordon will clear 20 million per if he has his usual season.


100/6 would be 16.7 million per. Given the market, that seems way cheap. Look at Choo and Grandy.

However, re the defensive stats/Sabermetrics comment, I think the problem with paying for defense is not that it is somehow undervalued; the problem is that the defensive statistics are decently flawed right now from what I've read. Maybe teams have proprietary data we dont know about for defense though.
Sandy Alderson on the top prospects from a radio interview  
Headhunter : 10/31/2014 2:09 pm : link
Steven Matz, LHP

“He had a very good season in 2013, and exceeded that in 2014, both at St. Lucie and at Binghamton. His numbers were very similar at both places, which is very positive given the fact that he had moved up a level. I would say Steven is probably one of the top handful of left-handed pitching prospects in the game right now. The guy who was supposed to be the best left-handed prospect, Andrew Heaney, came up to the Marlins last year and didn’t do particularly well in his transition, but I think Steven is very comparable. He’s got an excellent fastball for a lefty, at 93, 94 mph. It can get a little bit higher than that. His breaking ball has gotten much better. And he threw some excellent changeups that night in Binghamton in that championship game.

“He’s been on the roster. He was on the roster last year. He’ll, of course, be on the roster again this year. I think the difference is that last year we put him on the roster to protect the talent. This year I think he’s got a chance potentially sometime during the season to help us at the major league level.”

Brandon Nimmo, OF

“There are several qualities that I think distinguish Brandon. One is his commitment to excellence, if you will. He’s a tremendously competitive individual. He takes his preparation very seriously. He has grown physically very impressively over the last couple of years through offseason workouts. He has an approach that’s very consistent with what we try to promote, which is selectivity at the plate. Being aggressive with good judgment, I guess, is how we look at it — getting a good pitch to hit. If anything, at Binghamton, I think he began to demonstrate a little more power, which we think he has. There may be a little trade-off between his discipline at the plate and his ability to turn on the ball, but I think that’s something that’s coming. He’s a very committed guy.”

Dilson Herrera, 2B

“We’re very happy with his progress. I mean, it was phenomenal last year really coming from Port St. Lucie through Binghamton and up to the major league club. It was tough for me to make the decision to bring Dilson up to the major leagues knowing how important he had been to Binghamton. I think I called [B-Mets owner] Mike Urda and said, ‘Look, I really apologize, but this is really what we need to do.’ And he was the right guy at the time. We had some playing time because [Daniel] Murphy was down.

“Herrera has surprising power for his size. He runs well. He’s very athletic. Turns the double play. I think he’s going to get more consistent defensively. He’s got pretty good hands and moves laterally well. We were impressed with him during his time with us. He had very good at-bats. I think he hit three home runs. So he’s got some real potential. And we were very happy with him during the course of his time with us, and he’ll come to spring training.

“You know, our middle-infield situation over the next couple of years is probably going to be in a little bit of flux. So he’s got an excellent opportunity.”

Matt Reynolds, SS

“He’s been solid at shortstop. And we’ve left him there and expect that he’ll be able to remain there. He’s also an excellent athlete. He’s got a strong arm, pretty good range defensively. Offensively, he had just a great season last year — really a breakout season for him both at Binghamton and at Las Vegas. The numbers get a little inflated at Las Vegas, but his were right in line with what he had done in Binghamton.

“I think what he’s done — by his own word, he’s indicated — he’s started to use all the field. He’s not really trying to pull everything. And although he had some home runs, and I think he’s got three home runs already in the Arizona Fall League, he tries to use the whole field. He’s sort of a gap-to-gap guy. So we’re very high on Reynolds and hope that he can at least at the outset of 2015 duplicate what he was able to do last year.”

Kevin Plawecki, C

“Plawecki is very solid — one of the handful of best catching prospects in baseball. I think we’re fortunate to have two young guys like [Travis] d’Arnaud and Plawecki. Plawecki is a little different hitter — more of a contact hitter, more patient at the plate. But I think he has some power potential. He’s a big guy.

“Defensively, he catches the ball well, blocks reasonably well. He probably has an average arm, but is very solid behind the plate and I think develops a pretty good rapport with his pitching staff. So we’re very high on both of those players. …

“Right now we’re fortunate that we have two who are essentially major league ready — I think Plawecki is close — of such high quality. At the same time, as they sort of both converge on the major leagues, it’s a question of whether both can be accommodated. I think there are circumstances under which that’s possible. For example, sharing the catching duties and then one of them playing first base a little bit or playing in the outfield. Or, during interleague games one of them DHing against left-handed pitching. I think there are ways to do it. The question is really whether that’s the best use of those two resources. And it may be, because beyond those two there’s a little bit of a drop-off at least in the catching we have in the system. We’ve got a couple of very young guys that we really like, but there may be a little bit of a drop-off after Plawecki. And so we have to be careful about trying to keep both of those guys in the system.”

Michael Conforto, OF

“Since I arrived in New York, he’s the first first-round pick out of college that we’ve drafted. Our other three had been high school players. So I do expect that he’ll move a little more quickly. We did get him to Savannah for the playoffs late in the season this year. So I would expect that he’ll move more quickly than some of our other top draft picks have certainly.

“Michael comes from a very athletic and competitive family. His father, I think, was a linebacker at Penn State. He played football there. His mother is a former Olympic athlete — a medalist in synchronized swimming. So he comes from a very athletic family. He’s a great kid, very humble and committed to the game and has interacted with fans — I think a terrific individual, and an outstanding hitter.

“A left-handed hitter, power is probably not his foremost quality. He’s got some, but he’s more of a gap-to-gap guy — high average, high on-base percentage — and a pretty good defender, which was not his reputation coming into the draft. But based on the time he spent in Brooklyn and then Savannah, our guys were very pleased with him defensively. He’s kind of an all-around player, and we do expect that he’ll move very quickly.”
Andrew  
DanMetroMan : 10/31/2014 2:16 pm : link
Brown claimed by the A's

As for Gordon, regardless of the numbers I think "everyone" agrees he's an elite defender.
Centeno  
DanMetroMan : 10/31/2014 2:56 pm : link
claimed by the Brewers
Dan..  
NyquistX3 : 10/31/2014 8:56 pm : link
do you think Martino is generally an awful reporter? I read that article last night and it seems like a reporter trying to create a story. So much of that article seems like nonsense.
RE: Dan..  
DanMetroMan : 10/31/2014 9:25 pm : link
In comment 11950309 NyquistX3 said:
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do you think Martino is generally an awful reporter? I read that article last night and it seems like a reporter trying to create a story. So much of that article seems like nonsense.


I am not a fan of Martino's. Routinely seems to have "stories"that never end up being proven true that nobody else has. he also made the claim the fan base didn't like Castillo because they were racist...
Toby  
DanMetroMan : 10/31/2014 9:28 pm : link
on the CO prospects
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RE: Toby  
Ira : 10/31/2014 9:38 pm : link
In comment 11950328 DanMetroMan said:
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on the CO prospects Link - ( New Window )


I guess he was looking at Nimmo as a center fielder. I'm assuming the Mets like what they have in Lagares and won't trade him, so when Nimmo is ready for the majors it will be as a corner outfielder.
RE: RE: Toby  
DanMetroMan : 10/31/2014 9:48 pm : link
In comment 11950340 Ira said:
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In comment 11950328 DanMetroMan said:


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on the CO prospects Link - ( New Window )



I guess he was looking at Nimmo as a center fielder. I'm assuming the Mets like what they have in Lagares and won't trade him, so when Nimmo is ready for the majors it will be as a corner outfielder.


Yes. Nimmo is a CF per Toby's lists.
You want to see Nimmo & Reynolds  
Headhunter : 11/1/2014 6:43 pm : link
tune in to the MLB Network at 8:00pm for a peek on the televised AFL All Star game
..  
DanMetroMan : 11/3/2014 9:48 am : link
New York Mets
Released: RHP Ramon Estevez, RHP Juan Marte, RHP Bret Mitchell, RHP Flabio Ortega, RHP Luis Rengel, LHP T.J. Chism, LHP Alex Panteliodis, LHP Waldo Rodriguez, LHP Juan Urbina, C Luis Arrizurieta, C Miguel Leal, 2B Jorge Rivero, 3B Cole Frenzel
Urbina  
Deej : 11/3/2014 10:12 am : link
didnt we give him a massive bonus?
RE: Urbina  
DanMetroMan : 11/3/2014 10:56 am : link
In comment 11953227 Deej said:
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didnt we give him a massive bonus?


Yup he was a bonus baby. I wouldn't say "massive" but over 1 million aint chump change. He sucked.
Ugeth Urbina's  
pjcas18 : 11/3/2014 10:59 am : link
son?

RE: Ugeth Urbina's  
DanMetroMan : 11/3/2014 11:02 am : link
In comment 11953361 pjcas18 said:
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son?


Yup
Looks  
DanMetroMan : 11/3/2014 11:04 am : link
like it's sayonara for Dice-K
RE: RE: Ugeth Urbina's  
pjcas18 : 11/3/2014 11:22 am : link
In comment 11953365 DanMetroMan said:
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In comment 11953361 pjcas18 said:


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son?




Yup


Uggie wound up with a wild post-baseball off-season list of incidents, wasn't his mother kidnapped and held for ransom and they he murdered someone with a machete?

Was that all him?
.  
DanMetroMan : 11/3/2014 11:35 am : link
Chris Cotillo @ChrisCotillo
Source: #DBacks held private workout for Yasmany Tomas today. Told he "absolutely demolished" the baseball.
Attempted  
DanMetroMan : 11/3/2014 11:38 am : link
murder, got out 1-2 years ago.
Interview  
DanMetroMan : 11/3/2014 12:10 pm : link
with Nimmo
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RE: ..  
Mike in NY : 11/3/2014 12:41 pm : link
In comment 11953151 DanMetroMan said:
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New York Mets
Released: RHP Ramon Estevez, RHP Juan Marte, RHP Bret Mitchell, RHP Flabio Ortega, RHP Luis Rengel, LHP T.J. Chism, LHP Alex Panteliodis, LHP Waldo Rodriguez, LHP Juan Urbina, C Luis Arrizurieta, C Miguel Leal, 2B Jorge Rivero, 3B Cole Frenzel


Panda Pants is gone?!? Say it ain't so :(
Mets in driver's seat to sign Yoan Maconda?  
Headhunter : 11/3/2014 4:10 pm : link
The 19 year old defected from Cuba and is subject to the International Draft. Most of the big boys have put themselves in luxury tax dollar for dollar situation. He rates as a super prospect
RE: Mets in driver's seat to sign Yoan Maconda?  
Metnut : 11/3/2014 4:17 pm : link
In comment 11953988 Headhunter said:
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The 19 year old defected from Cuba and is subject to the International Draft. Most of the big boys have put themselves in luxury tax dollar for dollar situation. He rates as a super prospect


If he's in the international draft we wouldn't be able to sign him thought right?
RE: .  
arcarsenal : 11/3/2014 4:19 pm : link
In comment 11953441 DanMetroMan said:
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Chris Cotillo @ChrisCotillo
Source: #DBacks held private workout for Yasmany Tomas today. Told he "absolutely demolished" the baseball.


Someone's going to get a young stud by signing this dude. Too bad it won't be us.
Is Tomas...  
Italianju : 11/3/2014 4:21 pm : link
really gonna get like 110? Based on upside, age, and the fact that its just money he seemed like such a great fit. No way the mets get near that number though.
The Rockies  
Metnut : 11/3/2014 4:42 pm : link
just offered Cuddyer the qualifying offer, so you can cross him off for the Mets.
RE: The Rockies  
Eric on Li : 11/3/2014 4:54 pm : link
In comment 11954043 Metnut said:
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just offered Cuddyer the qualifying offer, so you can cross him off for the Mets.


Would that imply that they may be moving one of their other OF's? Or is it a sign they are making him a full-time 1B?
Probably means  
pjcas18 : 11/3/2014 4:56 pm : link
they don't anticipate him accepting it, and he will decline; become a FA and them getting draft pick compensation for losing him.
IF he clears customs and signs before June 15th  
Headhunter : 11/3/2014 5:08 pm : link
The Mets have over $800k to sign him the Yankees Red Sox Eangers and Cubs are in luxury tax territory. If they do sign him they will lose their internatiinal picks next year from the way I understand it
IF he clears customs and signs before June 15th  
Headhunter : 11/3/2014 5:08 pm : link
The Mets have over $800k to sign him the Yankees Red Sox Eangers and Cubs are in luxury tax territory. If they do sign him they will lose their internatiinal picks next year from the way I understand it
Losing their picks  
Headhunter : 11/3/2014 5:10 pm : link
I mean the teams that are in luxury tax territory. The Mets can spend $800k and still have all their picks. Sandy has signed 6 IFA's this year so he is a player in that market
He comps to Jorge Soler of the Cubs  
Headhunter : 11/3/2014 5:19 pm : link
His hitting is rated 60 His Speed 70
and power 70
Since he is under 23 he is subject to the Internal Draft this year on June 15th
He is a SS
The Rays are also  
Headhunter : 11/3/2014 5:22 pm : link
in luxury tax land. This is the guy the Mets need to get
I'm actually kind of happy about the Cuddyer news  
Eric on Li : 11/3/2014 6:01 pm : link
he would have been a good addition, but I think for the 10-12M he would have cost there's someone who could be a bigger help. He would have been a solid pickup, but almost certainly not "the piece the gets them over the hump".
Carig  
DanMetroMan : 11/3/2014 7:20 pm : link
says Mets 100% out due to Cuddyer news. Good.
RE: Is Tomas...  
DanMetroMan : 11/3/2014 7:20 pm : link
In comment 11954009 Italianju said:
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really gonna get like 110? Based on upside, age, and the fact that its just money he seemed like such a great fit. No way the mets get near that number though.


Badler says the 100+ demands are false. he's asking for "more than" Castillo who got 72.5
RE: Carig  
pjcas18 : 11/3/2014 7:20 pm : link
In comment 11954254 DanMetroMan said:
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says Mets 100% out due to Cuddyer news. Good.


Agree, good news. Not worth a 1st round pick plus 12-15M.
...  
DanMetroMan : 11/3/2014 7:24 pm : link


@MarcCarig: Told that the qualifying offer kills the Mets’ interest in Michael Cuddyer. Draft pick compensation changes everything. My sense is Mets don’t seem particularly enthused by the other options on FA market (Rios, et al.)

#15 pick AND a multi year deal would have been insanity. Remember, he already has 15.3 "in his pocket" which means he KNOWS he can make 15 next year so you are likely looking at 22-25 MINIMUM + #15 overall pick if you wanted to sign him. No thank you
Congrats to Jacob deGrom  
Headhunter : 11/4/2014 7:50 am : link
winning the Players vote for ROY. Not bad for a Ivan Nova type
Final  
DanMetroMan : 11/4/2014 7:57 am : link
note on the Cuddyer stuff.


2 years 25 or so million + the #15 pick for a guy you are HOPING isn't starting for you in 2016 (the hope in this scenario would be a Granderson bounce back, Lagares legit and Nimmo ready). Dude is 36! Great to hear they are "out".
I feel a blockbuster coming at the Winter Meetings  
Headhunter : 11/4/2014 8:07 am : link
one that will set the direction for the next 5 years plus. Lot of names that we thought were a big part of the future are on the way out of town. In return are coming guys we never thought would be wearing a Met uniform.
....  
Giants2012 : 11/4/2014 9:12 am : link
Need a blockbuster to draw interest yet don't trust SA after last offseason's comical misuse of funds.
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