NFT: The Official NY Mets Off Season Thread

why the hell wouldn't they make a play for Tomas? If 5/75 is in the neighborhood, that's $3mill more a year. If that's too steep, the Wilpons fucking suck and they should sell. Sure there's risk, but in the Mets situation, they're going to have to assume some risk. It's not like Cuddyer was risk free.

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Need a blockbuster to draw interest yet don't trust SA after last offseason's comical misuse of funds.

The only thing I like about last year was other than Granderson, who I thought was a year too long, but otherwise not a move I'll complain massively about - is that the misuse of funds was short-term. Chris Young a 1-year deal, Colon a 2-year deal that should be moveable if they want to move him.

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one that will set the direction for the next 5 years plus. Lot of names that we thought were a big part of the future are on the way out of town. In return are coming guys we never thought would be wearing a Met uniform.

I could see it. I don't think a lot of prospects will be on the way out, but 1 of the big pitchers (Thor, Wheeler, Matz or JdG) will get moved.

Of names "rumored" out there I could see it for Gordon, Tulo, CarGo, Bruce, or obviously Stanton (supposedly Marlins are trying to negotiate a deal with him again, and aren't sure if his reps will engage in talks).

Also think Sandy will be interested in Jose Bautista or Starlin Castro, just don't see him giving up 1 of the 4 big pitchers for a 34 year old or a SS whose glove isn't markedly significantly better than what Flores showed last year.

At this point I'm back to the Tulo bandwagon 100%. 6 years, 114 million remaining. That's less than Hanley will likely get and not far off what a completely unproven Cuban OFer may get. The only MVP caliber player even remotely available and fits our needs to a T. Trade Murph & Colon for prospects and there's the $20M saved to afford it. Give them Thor and 2 other solid prospects like Montero and Plawecki, then fill in the rest of the roster with bargain signings.

The Mets have very little interest in giving up their top pick (15th overall) in next year’s draft, a source said this week (Martino, Nov. 4).

In comment 11957513 DanMetroMan said:

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The Mets have very little interest in giving up their top pick (15th overall) in next year’s draft, a source said this week (Martino, Nov. 4).

It is early but there look to be a number of quality arms in the 2015 Rule IV Draft. A lot can change between now and then but some of the high draft picks on arms have not developed as hoped

draft? Is that a draft that happens before the rule V draft? different minor leaguers?

In comment 11957674 pjcas18 said:

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draft? Is that a draft that happens before the rule V draft? different minor leaguers?

Isn't IV simply the regular amateur draft? I'm pretty sure it is.

In comment 11957649 Mike in NY said:

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In comment 11957513 DanMetroMan said: Quote: The Mets have very little interest in giving up their top pick (15th overall) in next year’s draft, a source said this week (Martino, Nov. 4). It is early but there look to be a number of quality arms in the 2015 Rule IV Draft. A lot can change between now and then but some of the high draft picks on arms have not developed as hoped

Daz Cameron specifically has fallen in peoples eyes. Still intriguing talent.

The article lists Mets as a potential suitor, suggesting Thor or Wheeler, but I think there's no way that happens given his injury history and the Coors factor.

I do think he is a very realistic and solid trade candidate for the Mets. Would slot in very nicely hitting 3rd and has a great glove.

My best offer would be something like Montero, Plawecki, and Gee. Montero has pitched well in tough environments and is still somewhere close to a top 100 prospect. Plawecki is a 2nd top 100 prospect and then a useful 1-2 WAR player who is still young (could swap in Murphy if they want a hitter back).
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No reason to believe that he will ever be a 150+ game OF, and we cant pay $18 million per over 3 years for a 100-120 game corner OF. His injuries are getting worse; this is structural stuff, not freak bone breaks. And then take a gander at his brutal home-road splits.

In comment 11957688 DanMetroMan said:

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In comment 11957674 pjcas18 said: Quote: draft? Is that a draft that happens before the rule V draft? different minor leaguers? Isn't IV simply the regular amateur draft? I'm pretty sure it is.

Yes it is :)

he has seen

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he has seen

Me too. In his short career, Lagares has probably been a better defender than Andruw Jones was. Lagares is at a staggering 6.9 dWAR (Baseball Ref) in 1850 innings.

that is one hell of an endorsement

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why the hell wouldn't they make a play for Tomas? If 5/75 is in the neighborhood, that's $3mill more a year. If that's too steep, the Wilpons fucking suck and they should sell. Sure there's risk, but in the Mets situation, they're going to have to assume some risk. It's not like Cuddyer was risk free.

Some people think that Tomas isn't that good. His numbers at the same age as the better Cuban players were much lower.

invest a fraction of that for Yoan Macando. He has to either sign before 6/15 or subject himself to the International Free Agent Draft

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In comment 11957448 Section331 said: Quote: why the hell wouldn't they make a play for Tomas? If 5/75 is in the neighborhood, that's $3mill more a year. If that's too steep, the Wilpons fucking suck and they should sell. Sure there's risk, but in the Mets situation, they're going to have to assume some risk. It's not like Cuddyer was risk free. Some people think that Tomas isn't that good. His numbers at the same age as the better Cuban players were much lower.

Tomas reportedly was "incredible" this week in a workout with the Dbacks. But yes, the guy people should want is Mancado.

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In comment 11958875 Headhunter said: Quote: he has seen Me too. In his short career, Lagares has probably been a better defender than Andruw Jones was. Lagares is at a staggering 6.9 dWAR (Baseball Ref) in 1850 innings.

No knock on Lagares but NO WAY. Andruw Jones is the greatest CF in baseball history defensively by a LARGE margin in terms of the numbers. 1998-37.4, 1999 38.5... as great as Lagares has been 2013 (his better defensive season) total defense rating of 25.4. That's not a knock. Lagares is INCREDIBLE. But better than Andruw simply isn't fair.
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first 3 seasons he was worth 10 wins with his glove alone. 98-99 seasons 7.6. Amazing defensive player.

No knock on Andruw Jones. But Willie Mays is the greatest CF in baseball history.

Jones's two great seasons were 1998-99, where he had a combined dWAR of 7.7. But that was in 321 games covering 2820 innings. Lagares has put up a dWAR of 6.9 in just 228 games, covering 1850 innings. That's 90% of Jones's dWAR in just 66% of Jones's innings. And of course this isnt cherrypicking Lagares's best years -- this is his who MLB career to date. After year 3, Jones never got back to being a 3 dWAR player.

Lagares doesnt have Jones's track record of a decade of superior defensive play, but inning for inning he is the equal or better of the guys I've seen (Jones, Junior, White etc.).

Ravitch compares him to Jones.

Congrats JL!

They have to pursue Moncada. They still have IFA budget to spend and it's completely feasible. The guy could wind up being our SS for the next decade+

Sign him, make a trade for a LFer with power and all of a sudden the Mets are in pretty good shape.

He is something else.

We're as good as the hype. But DiMaggio might of been the best( I never saw him play)

Dimaggio play, but when he was healthy Ken Griffey Jr, was about as good defensively as anyone I've seen and better offensively than most.

Too bad, like Mantle, injuries robbed the end of his career (2nd half of his career really - he played over 140 games twice after 30).

I thought he'd go down as one of the all-time greats, you barely hear him mentioned anymore.

his power I read compares to Tomas, his hitting to Puig and overall a Jorge Soler with more upside. This is the guy I want. The Mets have $ 800,000 in cap room. Alderson, get it done

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may make Upton or Heyward available if blown away for young pitching but I don't see any chance the Mets get involved. Upton is a FA in one year which means you'd be giving up a deGrom or Wheeler (PLUS) just for the right to give Justin Upton the biggest contract in franchise history (doubtful the Wilpons would even do that) and then risk Wheeler or deGrom becoming stars with the Braves.

Word is Starlin Castro won't be dealt unless the Cubs are blown away. Maddon was told the Cubs are going to try and win in 2015, add legit talent and none of the other SS's they have a ready to help. I never really expected a Cubs/Mets deal as the Cubs will just use $$ to add pitching and Plawecki (part of the Mets potential surplus otherwise) wouldn't be of huge interest to the Cubs.

Cuddyer obviously will not be a Met after receiving his QO, Markakis is reportedly close to a deal with the Orioles.

Puma says they have Morse "on their radar" but teams have major health concerns with Morse (as well as fielding issues). Most think he should sign with a team he can 1b/DH.

Phillies shopping Ryan Howard hard (good luck with that).

Mickey Mantle was not in DiMaggio's or Mays' class as a fielder even before he injured his knee.
DiMaggio made it look effortless, but did not have the speed or the arm that Mays had.
Willie Mays is the greatest CF ever. Anyone who saw him doesn't require statistics to come to that conclusion.

Metsblog is really poorly run. They claim that a link on their site (from MLBTR) notes the Mets are out of IFA money. This isn't true, nor does the link mention the Mets. This was posted at 9 am and still haven't changed it.

is advocating a deal based around Thor for Upton. Again, this ONLY makes sense if Fred is giving Upton the biggest deal in Mets history upon making the trade. Otherwise it's a disaster. He walks and the Mets get a 2016 1st round pick at the cost of Thor and others? Talk about a kick in the nuts.

And Thor for a rental is a total non-starter for me. Seems like everyone is saying "we'll trade a hitter if blown away". Well if that is the case then we arent making a trade.

Its a bad offseason to be trading for a hitter, with almost no decent FAs and a historically terrible year for hitters just concluded.

a Wheeler, deGrom or Thor for a big time young hitter is fine... it's NOT fine for a pending FA unless Fred is seriously willing to give the guy a monster deal upon making the trade. To give up a guy like this only for the hitter to walk would be the kind of move that buries the franchise (and destroys positivity) for years to come. Talk about a ghosttown if Upton came here, hit 275 30 100, signed for 160 with the Yankees while Wheeler wins 17-18 games the next 5-6+ years... the Mets would have a 2016 pick to show for it, David Wright would be a spry 36 years old by the time this pick were helping the Mets. Granderson would likely be retired.

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" you are the finest Center Fielder I have ever seen"

get that the market sucks but unless Morse is settling for 1 year I really hope they pass. He's 33, oft-injured and THE WORST LF in baseball. I understand Lagares is great in CF but the Mets pitchers don't need to have to worry about every single ball to LF. Last 3 seasons Morse has missed 60, 74 and 31 games and has leg issues. He's a 1b at this point. trade, trade, trade.

are up to #27



1. Noah Syndergaard (RHP) 22 years old (AAA/MLB) 88% of 34 votes
2. Dilson Herrera (2B) 21 years old (AAA/MLB) 56% of 39 votes
3. Brandon Nimmo (CF) 22 years old (AAA) 33% of 43 votes (Run-off vs. Matz 55% of 40 votes)
4. Steven Matz (LHP) 24 years old (AAA) 69% of 48 votes
5. Michael Conforto (LF) 22 years old (A+) 49% of 43 votes
6. Kevin Plawecki (C) 24 years old (AAA) 59% of 34 votes
7. Rafael Montero (RHP) 24 years old (AAA/MLB) 65% of 37 votes
8. Marcos Molina (RHP) 20 years old (A) 43% of 40 votes (Run-off with Rosario 55% of 40 votes)
9. Amed Rosario (SS) 19 years old (A) 75% of 40 votes
10. Jhoan Urena (3b) 20 years old (A) 42% of 38 votes
11. Gavin Cecchini (SS) 21 years old (A) 57% of 37 votes
12. Dominic Smith (1b) 20 years old (A) 75% of 28 votes
13. Matt Reynolds (SS/2b) 24 years old (AAA) 52% of 31 votes
14. Cory Mazzoni (RP/SP) 25 years old (AAA) 46% of 28 votes
15. Matthew Chou Bowman (SP/RP) 24 years old AAA 42% of 38 votes
16. Cesar Puello (23) AAA (OF) 24% of 33 votes, runoff with Fulmer 52% of 31 votes
17. Buca di Beppo (Becerra) 28% of 29 votes, runoff vs. Maz 57%
18. LJ Mazzilli (24) 28% of 32 votes, runoff with Meisner 52% of 31 votes
19. Casey Meisner (20) (A) 57% of 30 votes
20. Milton Ramos (19) (A) 21% of 28 votes, run-off with Ynoa 52% of 23 votes
21. Gabriel Ynoa (22) (AA) 64% of 22 votes
22. Champ Stuart (22) (A+) 36% of 25 votes
23. Michael Fulmer (22) (AA) 41% of 22 votes
24. Akeel Morris (22) (A+) 31% of 26 votes
25. Logan Verrett (25) (AAA) 27% of 22 votes, 47% of runoff with Whalen/Mateo
26. Jack Leathersich (25) (AAA) 24% of 17 votes, 57% of runoff with Whalen
27. Tyler Pill (24) (AAA) 40% of 20 votes

will be huge. Sandy Alderson gets to get the pieces for a run

Makes you realize how insanely deep the Mets farm is now compared to years past. Guys like Pill, Verret, Leather etc used to be the second half of our top ten list level of prospects. Now they are 20 slots lower. Truly remarkable A) how bad the farm has been over the years and B) how good the farm is now.

If I'm a GM of another team I'd be chasing down Sandy for a 3-1 trade and load up on our B level prospects for an OK OF.

will give Wilmer competition for the SS job. Maybe not out of ST, but by June

is so low on the list. He was insane last year, do they think his stuff is like Tapia where it won't be as dominant at the higher levels?

Morris 2014:

4 - 1 with a 0.63 ERA with 16 saves in 57 innings 19 hits, 22 walks, 89 k's, .719 WHIP, 14.1 K/9 and a SO/W of 4.05

is that video game like? Was 21 old for low A ball?

would almost be better off simply being great vs. lefties and horrid vs. righties. He has reverse splits which actually hurt him because it's not too often you will go to/leave in a lefty vs. a righty. Still misses bats but his command needs significant improvement. It's now or never in 2015. He's no longer young. Verrett has a shot to be a Hefner-type swingman/6th inning arm. Scouts like the slider even if the FB is subpar.

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is so low on the list. He was insane last year, do they think his stuff is like Tapia where it won't be as dominant at the higher levels? Morris 2014: 4 - 1 with a 0.63 ERA with 16 saves in 57 innings 19 hits, 22 walks, 89 k's, .719 WHIP, 14.1 K/9 and a SO/W of 4.05 is that video game like? Was 21 old for low A ball?

He's extremely small with good, not great stuff. 91-94 on the FB, average changeup, doesn't really throw anything else. He was age appropriate for the league but 5th year in the system and still only in Savannah + not even promoted to St. Lucie in-season doesn't suggest the Mets are especially impressed with him. He has a shot to be a big leaguer but even BA only mentioned him in passing when discussing the prospects in Savannah.

walks in 57 innings in Savannah also is pretty damn poor. If that's what he's doing in A ball what happens in the bigs? His ranking also represents his limited upside which is that of a reliever with good/not great stuff ala Gonzalez Germen type. This isn't a Familia/Mejia type of arm.

is Rule V eligible and likely represents the guy they will have the biggest discussion regarding whether to add him or not. Adam says Mazzoni, Verrett, Leathersich are "expected to" be added with Morris a potential add. It seems unlikely a team would select Morris AND he would lost all season on their 25 man roster so if I'm the Mets I leave him exposed. This isn't the Matz decision where it's a young lefty starter.

89k's in 57 innings, more than compensates for the 22 walks when guys aren't hitting you. .719 WHIP is microscopic, isn't it?

Anyway, I've never seen him pitch like most minors guys I go by stats and rankings unfortunately.

Oh well, the Mets did award him the award for best player at his level (he and Dario Alvarez both got it for Savannah)

did a twitter chat and one of his answers on the subject is relevant



(Questioner-)“@ihateprospects: the problem the Mets are going to have with R5 is border dudes like Mazzoni, Leathersich, and Morris are absolutely ’15 bullpen candidates”

“@jeffpaternostro: @ihateprospects Mazzoni yes, the other two, not really a big deal if they get poached and no way Morris makes it a year on the 25. I would protect Verrett before either of the latter two frankly.”

"@thebs19: @jeffpaternostro great stats aside, am i missing something on Akeel? Scouting reports say max effort low 90s with bad command. Meh?"

“@jeffpaternostro: @thebs19 Nope.”

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89k's in 57 innings, more than compensates for the 22 walks when guys aren't hitting you. .719 WHIP is microscopic, isn't it? Anyway, I've never seen him pitch like most minors guys I go by stats and rankings unfortunately. Oh well, the Mets did award him the award for best player at his level (he and Dario Alvarez both got it for Savannah)

PJ,
The sterling awards are often given out to guys they want to hype up vs. "best" prospects. I remember Mike Jacobs won player of the year. I'm not crapping on Morris, I just understand why he is where he is. Savannah also was left with very, very little talent once the mid-season promotions happened.

P does like him more than Germen despite not being a huge fan


"Morris still ran a 10 percent walk rate, which indicates his real command and control issues. His wild pitch in game two of the Gnats’ Southern Division Championship Series allowed the eventual winning run to score for Asheville. His slider is still not a very useful weapon. All the same, I like his stuff a whole lot more than Gonzalez Germen, and Germen made his way into a big league bullpen. I expect Morris to do the same either by late 2015 or 2016."