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Eli had the perfect response for Reese

mattlawson : 10/30/2014 7:50 pm
"You can't just throw it deep and expect that to be a solution"

Evidence? 2012 and 2013. I love the comment - I love what this offense is trying to do. We are not there yet but once we are - just a very good well rounded offense that is going to be hard to stop.
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Those deep balls won't happen  
David in LA : 10/30/2014 9:06 pm : link
without a running game to keep the defense honest.
Eli is the big play king  
rocco8112 : 10/30/2014 9:08 pm : link
and he throws deep as good or better than anyone in the NFL.

He has a decade of play to back that up. He can only run what the offense calls for though and this is a different offensive philosophy.

We have already seen these year that when it is clicking though, ELi can dink and dunk it with the best of them.
that's the thing. . .  
dancing blue bear : 10/30/2014 9:38 pm : link
it's not all on Eli to throw it down field. gotta have a play call, need to set it up with the run, need the pass pro, need receivers to know what they're doing and get open.

we can't run well, can't pass block, and Rueben Randle is our most experienced receiver. our best WR has played 4 games. seems like Eli is the least of the problems
Well to be fair  
bradshaw44 : 10/30/2014 10:03 pm : link
After Reese called Eli Skittish in 2007 we went on to win the Super Bowl. But yea I was ticked at his comments the other day, so good for Eli.
what I don't get  
islander1 : 10/30/2014 10:04 pm : link
its not our offense that's the problem.

Outside of week 1, the only problems with our offense have been occasional lapses in blocking, and turnovers. Eli is managing OK with 5 picks so far, but I mean seriously - how about riding our DC and shoddy special teams.
I didn't like JR's comment either......  
Dry Lightning : 10/30/2014 10:07 pm : link
Stupid mistakes and no running game are killing us. Eli has been great.
JR is a bum  
TommyWiseau : 10/30/2014 10:21 pm : link
And so is Marc Ross
All Reese  
Rflairr : 10/30/2014 10:34 pm : link
said was the offense needed to be more aggressive. Which is exactly the same thing TC said on Francessa. And is no different than what most people on this board says in game threads.
Reese  
stretch234 : 10/30/2014 10:45 pm : link
After watching them run straight ahead on 1st down 14 times with the defense knowing that was the play, i would be more aggressive.

Dallas did not even hide the fact that they were not just loading the box, but loading the middle. They had zero respect for running laterally. There is only so much an OL can do when there are more people to block than blockers.

you have to put the D on its heels some times on 1st down

All that said, the defense has got to get off the field on 3rd and long.

Ralph's tweet was designed to cause a headline  
Dry Lightning : 10/30/2014 10:46 pm : link
Eli answered the question very diplomatically and that quote is inaccurate. Ralph should be fired over it. As for Eli, I think it did piss him off a little, but he answered the way he always does. With class. Of which Ralph has none.
Hey, Jerry, find some linemen who'll buy him time  
CT Charlie : 10/30/2014 10:53 pm : link
to throw the deep ball, OK?

And I'm generally a Reese supporter.
Reese understands  
WillieYoung : 10/30/2014 11:09 pm : link
we are not good enough to win playing conservatively. All he is saying is we have to take chances to beat good teams. I agree. I don't want to look good in defeat.
Losing Cruz was a huge, huge blow to this team  
SGMen : 10/30/2014 11:43 pm : link
He could have made a lot of catches with Beckham on the outside now. We'd have a well rounded group of 3 receivers.

Alas, it was not to be so lets make do with what we have. Parker works hard, a poor man's Cruz.

Or maybe we'll see more two TE sets which could help the run / pass game. Bottom line is new wrinkles were hopefully thought up during the bye week to help.
RE: we pay Eli a great deal of money to make plays  
Ralph.C : 10/31/2014 2:37 am : link
In comment 11948935 mdc1 said:
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. think about that for a moment. For what he is paid they need to be consistent plays and big plays. If he cannot make big plays then why are we paying him superstar money when we could average quarterbacks for that?


We pay Eli to make the plays WHEN THEY ARE THERE TO BE MADE. We also pay him to be smart with the football and recognize when the plays are not there. He gets paid to be smart and execute. He doesn't get paid to be a "gun-slinging" moron.
Eli cannot be more aggressive  
BigBlueCane : 10/31/2014 4:45 am : link
taking the shots down field.

This offense isn't designed to do that.

Doesn't anyone remember last year's horror show?
RE: I hate how Reese calls out individual players  
AnishPatel : 10/31/2014 7:10 am : link
In comment 11948840 robbieballs2003 said:
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Like saying that our season will go as Eli and JPP go or that they have to play like superstars. That isn't how football works. And, they are both playing well so why are we 3-4?


I agree that does annoy me. But in response to the original post, Eli was on the WFAN and basically said the same thing. If he feels we have a favorable 1 on 1 match up on the outside and he gets time he will be aggressive. But he isn't going to be aggressive for the sake of it or force it.

Good for Eli in saying that. Basically if I am Eli, I am doing this my way. If the Giants don't like it, then don't re-sign me. Otherwise stay out, and let me run my offense.

...  
SanFranGiantsFan : 10/31/2014 7:24 am : link
Well, if the OL can't block & the running game is nonexistent to keep the defense honest, we can't throw the ball down the field.
RE: we pay Eli a great deal of money to make plays  
HomerJones45 : 10/31/2014 8:15 am : link
In comment 11948935 mdc1 said:
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. think about that for a moment. For what he is paid they need to be consistent plays and big plays. If he cannot make big plays then why are we paying him superstar money when we could average quarterbacks for that?
shhhh.
Well,  
Doomster : 10/31/2014 8:47 am : link
I hate how Reese calls out individual players
robbieballs2003 : 10/30/2014 7:53 pm : link : reply
Like saying that our season will go as Eli and JPP go or that they have to play like superstars. That isn't how football works. And, they are both playing well so why are we 3-4?

But it is true.....Eli is paid to lead this team.....JPP is the best DLman on the team.....would anyone say Eli is playing on a level he did in 2011? Or JPP?

Neither is....That year was magical for Eli....he was harassed by defensive lines, and yet came up with big plays....JPP was also unreal that year

The big difference is the supporting cast....teams couldn't concentrate on JPP, like they can now.....

What has Eli got for weapons? A rookie running back? TE's who have never started a game? Third string slot receivers? Another rookie trying to be a #1 receiver?

Whether they like it or not, both are the leaders of this team, and if it is going to make a move, they will have to be the leaders....
Black and white - clear as crystal. Filler removed  
mattlawson : 10/31/2014 8:49 am : link
If we can create some throws down the field, that is great, but you can’t force them just to throw the ball down the field.

Q: Isn’t that kind of what happened last year where you were forcing it a little bit, which led to more turnovers than you guys wanted?

A: Yes.
I'd like to say that Reece should just...  
nicky43 : 10/31/2014 8:50 am : link
just stick to his own job but I don't like the job he's doing there and the last thing I want is him coaching.

I think he has recognized he blew it and has let the talent level of this team get too low over the last few years and is tying to shift some of the blame away from himself.

He is so lucky to have TC there to help minimize the damage of his GM decisions.



You're right  
dep026 : 10/31/2014 8:56 am : link
Eli cant make big plays. HomerJones continues to be one of the biggest shitstains on this site.
RE: RE: we pay Eli a great deal of money to make plays  
Brandon Walsh : 10/31/2014 9:11 am : link
In comment 11949311 HomerJones45 said:
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In comment 11948935 mdc1 said:


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. think about that for a moment. For what he is paid they need to be consistent plays and big plays. If he cannot make big plays then why are we paying him superstar money when we could average quarterbacks for that?

shhhh.


So you want him to go out of the framework of the offense regarding his progressions due to the size of his contract?

Brilliant analysis right there.
RE: You're right  
drkenneth : 10/31/2014 9:56 am : link
In comment 11949353 dep026 said:
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Eli cant make big plays. HomerJones continues to be one of the biggest shitstains on this site.


+1
if Reese would  
phil fromphilly : 10/31/2014 9:59 am : link
Have drafted or signed better lineman maybe Eli would have enough time to look and throw deep more. JR is the real reason this team hasn't been able to compete. You can't prepare a proper meal if the person who does the food shopping only buys rotten eggs.

I hope Mara and Tisch take a long look at this D-Bag come the end of the season, especially In light of these ridiculous comments.
Hey Nicky,  
Mike L. : 10/31/2014 10:01 am : link
TC is usually sitting right next to Jerry in the Finding Giants episodes - you think he has no say in personel??? Also, TC is lucky Ernie traded up for Eli - without that, no Super Bowls. Also, Mara made him fire Hufnagel and Tim Lewis, without that, no SB titles either. TC is a great coach, but he's not perfect. Reese has done a very good job in his years with the Giants - he's also not perfect.
Giants are top 10  
dep026 : 10/31/2014 10:12 am : link
in the NFL in drops and bottom 5 in YAC.

Damn Eli.
RE: I'd like to say that Reece should just...  
mattlawson : 10/31/2014 10:46 am : link
In comment 11949346 nicky43 said:
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just stick to his own job but I don't like the job he's doing there and the last thing I want is him coaching.

I think he has recognized he blew it and has let the talent level of this team get too low over the last few years and is tying to shift some of the blame away from himself.

He is so lucky to have TC there to help minimize the damage of his GM decisions.





I would like to say I can't wait until this statement is proven correct .... But that would mean years of floundering far worse than eight and eight.

Let's not and say we did
Problem is,  
Doomster : 10/31/2014 10:56 am : link
this team hovers around 8-8, +/-1, it seems year after year.....

Does that mean they are an average team?

Does it mean they don't have the players?

Does it mean the coaches don't put them in a position to win?

When you finish in the middle of the pack, year after year, you draft in the middle of the pack, too....

Sometimes to be good, you have to be real bad...worked for the Colts.....but it will never be that way with the Giants....
RE: You're right  
HomerJones45 : 10/31/2014 11:36 am : link
In comment 11949353 dep026 said:
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Eli cant make big plays. HomerJones continues to be one of the biggest shitstains on this site.
Ah, my stalker returns.

We opened it up last year. The result was 27 picks and a #32 ranking for your brother-in-law in an offense designed to go down the field that none of you liked. Your only interest is in protecting your brother-in-law's back and making excuses. Your next original thought will be your first.

Now go fuck yourself.

They had an offensive philosophy built  
steve in ky : 10/31/2014 11:47 am : link
entirely around going for the big play and high rewards. Then Mara with Reese at his side publicly called it "broken" and went in an entirely new direction with McAdoo. Now less than half way into learning that new offense he is going to publicly criticize it and suggest they need a strategy of going for more big plays?

I am slowing getting more and more tired of the John Mara/Reese leadership.
.....  
BrettNYG10 : 10/31/2014 12:10 pm : link
There's a middle ground between throwing deep every play and starting the game with three straight runs that went nowhere.

The game plan this past Sunday was awful, and may have cost us the game. Far too conservative given how well Eli played.
RE: if Reese would  
HomerJones45 : 10/31/2014 12:13 pm : link
In comment 11949459 phil fromphilly said:
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Have drafted or signed better lineman maybe Eli would have enough time to look and throw deep more. JR is the real reason this team hasn't been able to compete. You can't prepare a proper meal if the person who does the food shopping only buys rotten eggs.

I hope Mara and Tisch take a long look at this D-Bag come the end of the season, especially In light of these ridiculous comments.
Eli had plenty of time against Dallas. 63% completions and no picks. Yay! Colt fucking McCoy hit 25 of 30 passes against the same defense for 300 yards and near 10 yards an attempt.

Reese's critique is not out of line. The offense you guys wanted is producing middling results: 22nd in yards passing, 12th in passer rating, 23rd in yards/attempt. The "historic" stats cited are meh in this era. Eli's completion percentage in an offense designed to increase completion percentage ranks him 14th. Picks are down but they are down all over the league. Dalton, Rodgers, Big Brother, Brady, Orton, Wilson, Glennon, Smith and Big Ben all have less. Carr, Rivers, Newton, Davis and Kaepernik have the same.

The poster here who questioned why we are spending $20 million for these results raised a legitimate point whether you guys like to face it or not. And Reese is not out of line wondering why we aren't taking advantage of the passing game as other teams are doing.

It's time to pick it up.
RE: RE: You're right  
dep026 : 10/31/2014 12:28 pm : link
In comment 11949607 HomerJones45 said:
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In comment 11949353 dep026 said:


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Eli cant make big plays. HomerJones continues to be one of the biggest shitstains on this site.

Ah, my stalker returns.

We opened it up last year. The result was 27 picks and a #32 ranking for your brother-in-law in an offense designed to go down the field that none of you liked. Your only interest is in protecting your brother-in-law's back and making excuses. Your next original thought will be your first.

Now go fuck yourself.


Ahhh my little bitch. Hating on Eli as usual. It's sad and ild.

Keep ignoring the top 10 in the nfl in drops and bottom 5 in YAC. you know who has the 2nd most yards after catch.... Rashad Jennings and he has been out for weeks.

Don't let facts get IN the way of another pointless rant.

Go fuck myself? No thanks. I'll let you experience your type of pleasure.
It's amazing  
dep026 : 10/31/2014 12:30 pm : link
How fucking stupid homerjones45 is. He still doesn't realize that personnel needs to help his qb. And right now our skilled players are fucking awful. So instead of blaming eli for playing well.... maybe guys like donnell, randle, parker, and now beckham can step up and make plays. You want big plays... get open or break tackles.
The talent on offense isn't any good.  
drkenneth : 10/31/2014 12:42 pm : link
Everyone knows this. We need more playmakers on offense, and a functional OL.
jesus  
GMenLTS : 10/31/2014 12:42 pm : link
I hate agreeing with dep but homer's lack of logic when using stats is a sight to behold.

I'm convinced he listens to games on the radio and comments on players based on the stats after the fact.



Brett, completely on point and couldn't agree more. That gameplan might as well have been called, 'lets try to win despite having vaginas'
....  
BrettNYG10 : 10/31/2014 12:44 pm : link
It's like we were too afraid of a repeat of 2013.

McAdoo is young and inexperienced. I expect more of these growing pains. But it was a really frustrating game to watch.
I still do not  
rocco8112 : 10/31/2014 12:49 pm : link
quite understand how anyone who objectively watches all the Giant games could place Eli anywhere near the top of the list of this team's problems.

Maybe I am bias in how I watch games but I have rarely watched a Giant game this past decade and thought, wow Eli really cost us this one.


Also, any discussion of Eli should have been put to bed in 2011. Eli and the passing game carried that team to a title. I doubt we ever see a season like that again since in football you usually need at least a functioning defense and running game during a season to be successful.

The game plan in '11 was keep it relatively close and Eli will bail the Giants out in the fourth quarter. Sure the D and run game sorta came on late in the season and post season (think coaching had anything to do with that?) but mainly it was Eli leading comebacks.

Funny thing is it actually worked! He even led a game winning Super Bowl TD drive (second of his career, something no one else has done).

Guy is money, I really struggle seeing how anyone who watches all the Giant games could come to another conclusion. Then again opinions are like assholes, everyone has one.
RE: jesus  
dep026 : 10/31/2014 12:51 pm : link
In comment 11949731 GMenLTS said:
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I hate agreeing with dep.


Geez. I am taking the walk of shame.
ha nothing personal man of course  
GMenLTS : 10/31/2014 1:02 pm : link
Seriously though, I really don't understand what games homer watches. Even more so when he brings up other QBs, usually absurdly mediocre ones, to compare with Eli's stats in order to somehow prove Eli's mediocrity.

Just look at that Colt comparison @12:13. Anyone who watched both contests against Dallas can notice the nuances between the very different game plans.

DC had an excellent mix of run/pass/deep strikes to keep the defense honest and the results were unsurprising.

We stubbornly kept running Andre/Hillis into a brick wall and literally tried nothing else until 3rd down on damn near every drive until the game got away from us and we were forced to throw.

Eli's 63% and Colt's 25/30 passing attempts are pretty damn irrelevant as to what transpired.
RE: RE: if Reese would  
phil fromphilly : 10/31/2014 2:26 pm : link
In comment 11949669 HomerJones45 said:
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In comment 11949459 phil fromphilly said:


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Have drafted or signed better lineman maybe Eli would have enough time to look and throw deep more. JR is the real reason this team hasn't been able to compete. You can't prepare a proper meal if the person who does the food shopping only buys rotten eggs.

I hope Mara and Tisch take a long look at this D-Bag come the end of the season, especially In light of these ridiculous comments.

Eli had plenty of time against Dallas. 63% completions and no picks. Yay! Colt fucking McCoy hit 25 of 30 passes against the same defense for 300 yards and near 10 yards an attempt.

Reese's critique is not out of line. The offense you guys wanted is producing middling results: 22nd in yards passing, 12th in passer rating, 23rd in yards/attempt. The "historic" stats cited are meh in this era. Eli's completion percentage in an offense designed to increase completion percentage ranks him 14th. Picks are down but they are down all over the league. Dalton, Rodgers, Big Brother, Brady, Orton, Wilson, Glennon, Smith and Big Ben all have less. Carr, Rivers, Newton, Davis and Kaepernik have the same.

The poster here who questioned why we are spending $20 million for these results raised a legitimate point whether you guys like to face it or not. And Reese is not out of line wondering why we aren't taking advantage of the passing game as other teams are doing.

It's time to pick it up.


Umm, this is the offense we wanted? Who is "we" exactly? Seems to me that EVERYONE here wanted JR to put a real line in front of Eli this last offseason. JR made ONE real signing, Schwartz, who hasn't played a regular season down yet for us. He drafted a rookie center who is now playing guard. He signed a cast off from Miami and another center who had been out of football for a year and half. 1 real starter, a rookie, a broken down center and a huge underachiever. After watching last year we all new the line was perhaps the worst in football and he went out and got ONE guy.... Now he has the balls to call out Eli???? For real??? JR Needs to go, he should quit right now.
Reese didn't call out Eli anymore than he did JPP and he had to,  
Riggies : 10/31/2014 2:51 pm : link
largely, because of how he declared that the team would go as far as Eli and JPP played before the season started.

Turns out, they both played well/very well and the team still ended up all but dead before October ended... how is he supposed to respond to that without throwing himself under the bus and making the rest of the team, including the coaching staff, look awful while there are still games left to be played out? Almost the only thing he could do, to defend himself and the rest of the team, was to poke a few holes in both of their bags and he didn't even go that that hard after either of them.

The truth is the only hope this team had from the start was for both to go 2011 and maybe have it be enough to be a fringe to decent contender for the playoffs (and then, as usual, once in, who knows...). Neither have played on that level, unfortunately, to carry the team that way -- which isn't a slight on either of them (especially, Eli, who should be trusted more than Andre Williams and Peyton Hillis with the season pretty much on the line but isn't because of how scarred Tom Coughlin is by 2013), as that level isn't a reasonable expectation to have of either.
Eli is a good company man but he needs to  
#10* : 10/31/2014 10:39 pm : link
make decisions quicker and get the ball out of his hands accurately. I don't feel like he's ever lived up to the billing after being #1 in the draft and dictating which team he went to. He's been largely inaccurate, skittish under pressure and I can't remember a game where he just dominated a secondary. The SB's were won largely because of our defenses not because of our offense.

If he gets paid like a superstar but we're afraid he'll turn the ball over there's a problem with that. Qb's make their money on 3rd down yet Eli's 3rd down percentages are hovering around 16th amongst all Qb's.
Hasn't lived up to the billing?  
steve in ky : 10/31/2014 10:58 pm : link
In a sport where really the only ultimate goal is to win a Super Bowl Eli has led the Giants to victory in two of them and to be one of only eight teams to have won one since he has been in the league, I would say he has more than lived up to the billing.

Maybe if you are a fantasy owner he might not have but for a real team owner how much more could you expect to get in return? He has doubled the teams Super Bowl wins and forever cemented them as one of the more successful teams in Super Bowl history having now gone 4-1 as an organization.
Eli didn't play in this type of offense his whole career  
SGMen : 10/31/2014 11:12 pm : link
We ran and ran well for much of Eli's career because he could throw it deep and connect. His percentages weren't always great and yes interceptions came but many of the INT's fell on the receivers who didn't run the play right. He played in a complicated offense much of his career BUT when it worked, it really worked as evidenced by our two SB's. 2011 was pure magic, 2007 was about not turning it over in the playoffs and Eli accomplished that.

If Eli finishes this year with a QB rating close to 100, well, he has done the most with the little he has. Just a shame Cruz got hurt because I think this offense would be clicking with his route running / slot play.
RE: Eli is a good company man but he needs to  
dep026 : 10/31/2014 11:25 pm : link
In comment 11950388 #10* said:
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make decisions quicker and get the ball out of his hands accurately. I don't feel like he's ever lived up to the billing after being #1 in the draft and dictating which team he went to. He's been largely inaccurate, skittish under pressure and I can't remember a game where he just dominated a secondary. The SB's were won largely because of our defenses not because of our offense.

If he gets paid like a superstar but we're afraid he'll turn the ball over there's a problem with that. Qb's make their money on 3rd down yet Eli's 3rd down percentages are hovering around 16th amongst all Qb's.


Seriously.... WTF.
RE: RE: Eli is a good company man but he needs to  
SGMen : 11/1/2014 1:03 am : link
In comment 11950417 dep026 said:
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In comment 11950388 #10* said:


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make decisions quicker and get the ball out of his hands accurately. I don't feel like he's ever lived up to the billing after being #1 in the draft and dictating which team he went to. He's been largely inaccurate, skittish under pressure and I can't remember a game where he just dominated a secondary. The SB's were won largely because of our defenses not because of our offense.

If he gets paid like a superstar but we're afraid he'll turn the ball over there's a problem with that. Qb's make their money on 3rd down yet Eli's 3rd down percentages are hovering around 16th amongst all Qb's.



Seriously.... WTF.
I concur, WTF? Eli has been superb this year. yes, we struggled the first two games but since then he's generally been solid. The Eagles game he just got jacked up by piss poor line play and well piss poor overall play in every phase of the game. It happens.
RE: I'd like to say that Reece should just...  
dcable : 11/1/2014 1:51 pm : link
In comment 11949346 nicky43 said:
[quote] just stick to his own job but I don't like the job he's doing there and the last thing I want is him coaching.

I think he has recognized he blew it and has let the talent level of this team get too low over the last few years and is tying to shift some of the blame away from himself.

He is so lucky to have TC there to help minimize the damage of his GM decisions.


Was JR responsible for being totally out coached in the Eagle's game?? If last year Mara didnt nake comment about broken offense, TC would have fired KG? It's obviou, TC is more concerned about NOT making a mistake than making plays.
RE: RE: RE: Eli is a good company man but he needs to  
area junc : 11/1/2014 1:54 pm : link
In comment 11950447 SGMen said:
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In comment 11950417 dep026 said:


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In comment 11950388 #10* said:


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make decisions quicker and get the ball out of his hands accurately. I don't feel like he's ever lived up to the billing after being #1 in the draft and dictating which team he went to. He's been largely inaccurate, skittish under pressure and I can't remember a game where he just dominated a secondary. The SB's were won largely because of our defenses not because of our offense.

If he gets paid like a superstar but we're afraid he'll turn the ball over there's a problem with that. Qb's make their money on 3rd down yet Eli's 3rd down percentages are hovering around 16th amongst all Qb's.



Seriously.... WTF.

I concur, WTF? Eli has been superb this year. yes, we struggled the first two games but since then he's generally been solid. The Eagles game he just got jacked up by piss poor line play and well piss poor overall play in every phase of the game. It happens.



C'mon Eli has not been "superb". u changed to "generally solid" in ur next sentence which is closer to the truth. He had 1 or 2 superb games out of 7 so far. in his defense, the gameplans have been horrific the past 2 weeks.
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