"You can't just throw it deep and expect that to be a solution"
Evidence? 2012 and 2013. I love the comment - I love what this offense is trying to do. We are not there yet but once we are - just a very good well rounded offense that is going to be hard to stop.
Excellent point. Just shows how poor Jerry's roster is.
But TC also said that we need to be better in all aspects of the game for that to happen which is not a problem.
TC and McAdoo ran it 3 times to open the Dallas game. And stuck with a run game that was putrid all game. TC cant say shit. And Jerry has a lot of nerve asking for big plays with no OL and no Cruz.
seriously, i can't think of many QB's who like to throw it deep more than Eli. Thay's his thing. You know he wants to. In another interview he hinted about protection, and receivers getting open being needed to throw deep. with out trashing anyone. heres the exchange, anyway
Q: Jerry Reese said the other day the offense has been too cautious… Do you agree with that assessment?
A: I think we are just trying to run the offense. I think we are trying to run things we feel comfortable about and that we know guys are doing well. If we can create some throws down the field, that is great, but you can’t force them just to throw the ball down the field. We are looking for completions, and hopefully we can create some big plays.
Q: Isn’t that kind of what happened last year where you were forcing it a little bit, which led to more turnovers than you guys wanted?
A: Yes. We are not going to force anything. We can’t change our scheme or my reads or my decision-making. We have to keep that the same. If there is an opportunity to hit a big one, so be it. If there is not, then we have to keep doing what we have been doing.
Q: Have there been a lot of opportunities where you looked at the film and thought you had that right there?
A: You can always look back and say I could’ve thrown one here. I am just trying to go through the reads. It is one of those cases where someone might have been open, my first progression might have been open, and you take that and look back and, well, if you would have gotten to your second progression, you had a go route that was open on it. That is part of football. You can’t start second-guessing or start changing your reads just to try to get something deep because all of sudden you do that and the deep one doesn’t win and you are stuck with sacks or several bad plays. I have to stay the course and keep going through my progressions and hopefully guys can keep winning their routes and we will find completions. As long as you are getting completions and first downs, moving the ball, having drives, that is good, also.
now, to put it on one player is silly, and shows a lack of understanding on how things work together, . . pass pro, experienced receivers, whatever
or he could be saying it to light a fire, but that is dumb too, because really, do you think eli, or TC could work more than they do? , or harder? or try more or whatever. those guys are internally driven.
idk, read the comments
If he equates aggressiveness with deep shots, then why did he get rid of the guy who coordinated a system that called for Eli to consistently fire the ball down-field come hell or high water?
He has a decade of play to back that up. He can only run what the offense calls for though and this is a different offensive philosophy.
We have already seen these year that when it is clicking though, ELi can dink and dunk it with the best of them.
we can't run well, can't pass block, and Rueben Randle is our most experienced receiver. our best WR has played 4 games. seems like Eli is the least of the problems
Outside of week 1, the only problems with our offense have been occasional lapses in blocking, and turnovers. Eli is managing OK with 5 picks so far, but I mean seriously - how about riding our DC and shoddy special teams.
Dallas did not even hide the fact that they were not just loading the box, but loading the middle. They had zero respect for running laterally. There is only so much an OL can do when there are more people to block than blockers.
you have to put the D on its heels some times on 1st down
All that said, the defense has got to get off the field on 3rd and long.
And I'm generally a Reese supporter.
Alas, it was not to be so lets make do with what we have. Parker works hard, a poor man's Cruz.
Or maybe we'll see more two TE sets which could help the run / pass game. Bottom line is new wrinkles were hopefully thought up during the bye week to help.
We pay Eli to make the plays WHEN THEY ARE THERE TO BE MADE. We also pay him to be smart with the football and recognize when the plays are not there. He gets paid to be smart and execute. He doesn't get paid to be a "gun-slinging" moron.
This offense isn't designed to do that.
Doesn't anyone remember last year's horror show?
I agree that does annoy me. But in response to the original post, Eli was on the WFAN and basically said the same thing. If he feels we have a favorable 1 on 1 match up on the outside and he gets time he will be aggressive. But he isn't going to be aggressive for the sake of it or force it.
Good for Eli in saying that. Basically if I am Eli, I am doing this my way. If the Giants don't like it, then don't re-sign me. Otherwise stay out, and let me run my offense.
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Like saying that our season will go as Eli and JPP go or that they have to play like superstars. That isn't how football works. And, they are both playing well so why are we 3-4?
But it is true.....Eli is paid to lead this team.....JPP is the best DLman on the team.....would anyone say Eli is playing on a level he did in 2011? Or JPP?
Neither is....That year was magical for Eli....he was harassed by defensive lines, and yet came up with big plays....JPP was also unreal that year
The big difference is the supporting cast....teams couldn't concentrate on JPP, like they can now.....
What has Eli got for weapons? A rookie running back? TE's who have never started a game? Third string slot receivers? Another rookie trying to be a #1 receiver?
Whether they like it or not, both are the leaders of this team, and if it is going to make a move, they will have to be the leaders....
Q: Isn’t that kind of what happened last year where you were forcing it a little bit, which led to more turnovers than you guys wanted?
A: Yes.
I think he has recognized he blew it and has let the talent level of this team get too low over the last few years and is tying to shift some of the blame away from himself.
He is so lucky to have TC there to help minimize the damage of his GM decisions.
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. think about that for a moment. For what he is paid they need to be consistent plays and big plays. If he cannot make big plays then why are we paying him superstar money when we could average quarterbacks for that?
shhhh.
So you want him to go out of the framework of the offense regarding his progressions due to the size of his contract?
Brilliant analysis right there.
+1
I hope Mara and Tisch take a long look at this D-Bag come the end of the season, especially In light of these ridiculous comments.
Damn Eli.
I think he has recognized he blew it and has let the talent level of this team get too low over the last few years and is tying to shift some of the blame away from himself.
He is so lucky to have TC there to help minimize the damage of his GM decisions.
I would like to say I can't wait until this statement is proven correct .... But that would mean years of floundering far worse than eight and eight.
Let's not and say we did
Does that mean they are an average team?
Does it mean they don't have the players?
Does it mean the coaches don't put them in a position to win?
When you finish in the middle of the pack, year after year, you draft in the middle of the pack, too....
Sometimes to be good, you have to be real bad...worked for the Colts.....but it will never be that way with the Giants....
We opened it up last year. The result was 27 picks and a #32 ranking for your brother-in-law in an offense designed to go down the field that none of you liked. Your only interest is in protecting your brother-in-law's back and making excuses. Your next original thought will be your first.
Now go fuck yourself.
I am slowing getting more and more tired of the John Mara/Reese leadership.
The game plan this past Sunday was awful, and may have cost us the game. Far too conservative given how well Eli played.
I hope Mara and Tisch take a long look at this D-Bag come the end of the season, especially In light of these ridiculous comments.
Reese's critique is not out of line. The offense you guys wanted is producing middling results: 22nd in yards passing, 12th in passer rating, 23rd in yards/attempt. The "historic" stats cited are meh in this era. Eli's completion percentage in an offense designed to increase completion percentage ranks him 14th. Picks are down but they are down all over the league. Dalton, Rodgers, Big Brother, Brady, Orton, Wilson, Glennon, Smith and Big Ben all have less. Carr, Rivers, Newton, Davis and Kaepernik have the same.
The poster here who questioned why we are spending $20 million for these results raised a legitimate point whether you guys like to face it or not. And Reese is not out of line wondering why we aren't taking advantage of the passing game as other teams are doing.
It's time to pick it up.
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Eli cant make big plays. HomerJones continues to be one of the biggest shitstains on this site.
Ah, my stalker returns.
We opened it up last year. The result was 27 picks and a #32 ranking for your brother-in-law in an offense designed to go down the field that none of you liked. Your only interest is in protecting your brother-in-law's back and making excuses. Your next original thought will be your first.
Now go fuck yourself.
Ahhh my little bitch. Hating on Eli as usual. It's sad and ild.
Keep ignoring the top 10 in the nfl in drops and bottom 5 in YAC. you know who has the 2nd most yards after catch.... Rashad Jennings and he has been out for weeks.
Don't let facts get IN the way of another pointless rant.
Go fuck myself? No thanks. I'll let you experience your type of pleasure.
I'm convinced he listens to games on the radio and comments on players based on the stats after the fact.
Brett, completely on point and couldn't agree more. That gameplan might as well have been called, 'lets try to win despite having vaginas'
McAdoo is young and inexperienced. I expect more of these growing pains. But it was a really frustrating game to watch.
Maybe I am bias in how I watch games but I have rarely watched a Giant game this past decade and thought, wow Eli really cost us this one.
Also, any discussion of Eli should have been put to bed in 2011. Eli and the passing game carried that team to a title. I doubt we ever see a season like that again since in football you usually need at least a functioning defense and running game during a season to be successful.
The game plan in '11 was keep it relatively close and Eli will bail the Giants out in the fourth quarter. Sure the D and run game sorta came on late in the season and post season (think coaching had anything to do with that?) but mainly it was Eli leading comebacks.
Funny thing is it actually worked! He even led a game winning Super Bowl TD drive (second of his career, something no one else has done).
Guy is money, I really struggle seeing how anyone who watches all the Giant games could come to another conclusion. Then again opinions are like assholes, everyone has one.
Geez. I am taking the walk of shame.
Just look at that Colt comparison @12:13. Anyone who watched both contests against Dallas can notice the nuances between the very different game plans.
DC had an excellent mix of run/pass/deep strikes to keep the defense honest and the results were unsurprising.
We stubbornly kept running Andre/Hillis into a brick wall and literally tried nothing else until 3rd down on damn near every drive until the game got away from us and we were forced to throw.
Eli's 63% and Colt's 25/30 passing attempts are pretty damn irrelevant as to what transpired.
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Have drafted or signed better lineman maybe Eli would have enough time to look and throw deep more. JR is the real reason this team hasn't been able to compete. You can't prepare a proper meal if the person who does the food shopping only buys rotten eggs.
I hope Mara and Tisch take a long look at this D-Bag come the end of the season, especially In light of these ridiculous comments.
Eli had plenty of time against Dallas. 63% completions and no picks. Yay! Colt fucking McCoy hit 25 of 30 passes against the same defense for 300 yards and near 10 yards an attempt.
Reese's critique is not out of line. The offense you guys wanted is producing middling results: 22nd in yards passing, 12th in passer rating, 23rd in yards/attempt. The "historic" stats cited are meh in this era. Eli's completion percentage in an offense designed to increase completion percentage ranks him 14th. Picks are down but they are down all over the league. Dalton, Rodgers, Big Brother, Brady, Orton, Wilson, Glennon, Smith and Big Ben all have less. Carr, Rivers, Newton, Davis and Kaepernik have the same.
The poster here who questioned why we are spending $20 million for these results raised a legitimate point whether you guys like to face it or not. And Reese is not out of line wondering why we aren't taking advantage of the passing game as other teams are doing.
It's time to pick it up.
Umm, this is the offense we wanted? Who is "we" exactly? Seems to me that EVERYONE here wanted JR to put a real line in front of Eli this last offseason. JR made ONE real signing, Schwartz, who hasn't played a regular season down yet for us. He drafted a rookie center who is now playing guard. He signed a cast off from Miami and another center who had been out of football for a year and half. 1 real starter, a rookie, a broken down center and a huge underachiever. After watching last year we all new the line was perhaps the worst in football and he went out and got ONE guy.... Now he has the balls to call out Eli???? For real??? JR Needs to go, he should quit right now.
Turns out, they both played well/very well and the team still ended up all but dead before October ended... how is he supposed to respond to that without throwing himself under the bus and making the rest of the team, including the coaching staff, look awful while there are still games left to be played out? Almost the only thing he could do, to defend himself and the rest of the team, was to poke a few holes in both of their bags and he didn't even go that that hard after either of them.
The truth is the only hope this team had from the start was for both to go 2011 and maybe have it be enough to be a fringe to decent contender for the playoffs (and then, as usual, once in, who knows...). Neither have played on that level, unfortunately, to carry the team that way -- which isn't a slight on either of them (especially, Eli, who should be trusted more than Andre Williams and Peyton Hillis with the season pretty much on the line but isn't because of how scarred Tom Coughlin is by 2013), as that level isn't a reasonable expectation to have of either.
If he gets paid like a superstar but we're afraid he'll turn the ball over there's a problem with that. Qb's make their money on 3rd down yet Eli's 3rd down percentages are hovering around 16th amongst all Qb's.
Maybe if you are a fantasy owner he might not have but for a real team owner how much more could you expect to get in return? He has doubled the teams Super Bowl wins and forever cemented them as one of the more successful teams in Super Bowl history having now gone 4-1 as an organization.
If Eli finishes this year with a QB rating close to 100, well, he has done the most with the little he has. Just a shame Cruz got hurt because I think this offense would be clicking with his route running / slot play.
If he gets paid like a superstar but we're afraid he'll turn the ball over there's a problem with that. Qb's make their money on 3rd down yet Eli's 3rd down percentages are hovering around 16th amongst all Qb's.
Seriously.... WTF.
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make decisions quicker and get the ball out of his hands accurately. I don't feel like he's ever lived up to the billing after being #1 in the draft and dictating which team he went to. He's been largely inaccurate, skittish under pressure and I can't remember a game where he just dominated a secondary. The SB's were won largely because of our defenses not because of our offense.
If he gets paid like a superstar but we're afraid he'll turn the ball over there's a problem with that. Qb's make their money on 3rd down yet Eli's 3rd down percentages are hovering around 16th amongst all Qb's.
Seriously.... WTF.
[quote] just stick to his own job but I don't like the job he's doing there and the last thing I want is him coaching.
I think he has recognized he blew it and has let the talent level of this team get too low over the last few years and is tying to shift some of the blame away from himself.
He is so lucky to have TC there to help minimize the damage of his GM decisions.
Was JR responsible for being totally out coached in the Eagle's game?? If last year Mara didnt nake comment about broken offense, TC would have fired KG? It's obviou, TC is more concerned about NOT making a mistake than making plays.
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make decisions quicker and get the ball out of his hands accurately. I don't feel like he's ever lived up to the billing after being #1 in the draft and dictating which team he went to. He's been largely inaccurate, skittish under pressure and I can't remember a game where he just dominated a secondary. The SB's were won largely because of our defenses not because of our offense.
If he gets paid like a superstar but we're afraid he'll turn the ball over there's a problem with that. Qb's make their money on 3rd down yet Eli's 3rd down percentages are hovering around 16th amongst all Qb's.
Seriously.... WTF.
I concur, WTF? Eli has been superb this year. yes, we struggled the first two games but since then he's generally been solid. The Eagles game he just got jacked up by piss poor line play and well piss poor overall play in every phase of the game. It happens.
C'mon Eli has not been "superb". u changed to "generally solid" in ur next sentence which is closer to the truth. He had 1 or 2 superb games out of 7 so far. in his defense, the gameplans have been horrific the past 2 weeks.