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Eli had the perfect response for Reese

mattlawson : 10/30/2014 7:50 pm
"You can't just throw it deep and expect that to be a solution"

Evidence? 2012 and 2013. I love the comment - I love what this offense is trying to do. We are not there yet but once we are - just a very good well rounded offense that is going to be hard to stop.
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I hate how Reese calls out individual players  
robbieballs2003 : 10/30/2014 7:53 pm : link
Like saying that our season will go as Eli and JPP go or that they have to play like superstars. That isn't how football works. And, they are both playing well so why are we 3-4?
Detroit and philly count for two  
mattlawson : 10/30/2014 7:54 pm : link
They did not get the best effort from the Giants
RE: I hate how Reese calls out individual players  
bceagle05 : 10/30/2014 7:59 pm : link
In comment 11948840 robbieballs2003 said:
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Like saying that our season will go as Eli and JPP go or that they have to play like superstars. That isn't how football works. And, they are both playing well so why are we 3-4?


Excellent point. Just shows how poor Jerry's roster is.
Good for Eli.  
Dave in Hoboken : 10/30/2014 8:05 pm : link
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It wasn't just Reese  
PEEJ : 10/30/2014 8:05 pm : link
TC also mentioned the need for "big plays". Some of this may be aimed at McAdoo more than Eli
RE: It wasn't just Reese  
robbieballs2003 : 10/30/2014 8:07 pm : link
In comment 11948857 PEEJ said:
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TC also mentioned the need for "big plays". Some of this may be aimed at McAdoo more than Eli


But TC also said that we need to be better in all aspects of the game for that to happen which is not a problem.
RE: It wasn't just Reese  
mattlawson : 10/30/2014 8:11 pm : link
In comment 11948857 PEEJ said:
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TC also mentioned the need for "big plays". Some of this may be aimed at McAdoo more than Eli



TC and McAdoo ran it 3 times to open the Dallas game. And stuck with a run game that was putrid all game. TC cant say shit. And Jerry has a lot of nerve asking for big plays with no OL and no Cruz.
i thought it was great, too. . .  
dancing blue bear : 10/30/2014 8:20 pm : link
basically, he was like . . . "whatever, dude, you don't really know what your talking about" in the eli non confrontational way.

seriously, i can't think of many QB's who like to throw it deep more than Eli. Thay's his thing. You know he wants to. In another interview he hinted about protection, and receivers getting open being needed to throw deep. with out trashing anyone. heres the exchange, anyway


Q: Jerry Reese said the other day the offense has been too cautious… Do you agree with that assessment?
A: I think we are just trying to run the offense. I think we are trying to run things we feel comfortable about and that we know guys are doing well. If we can create some throws down the field, that is great, but you can’t force them just to throw the ball down the field. We are looking for completions, and hopefully we can create some big plays.

Q: Isn’t that kind of what happened last year where you were forcing it a little bit, which led to more turnovers than you guys wanted?
A: Yes. We are not going to force anything. We can’t change our scheme or my reads or my decision-making. We have to keep that the same. If there is an opportunity to hit a big one, so be it. If there is not, then we have to keep doing what we have been doing.

Q: Have there been a lot of opportunities where you looked at the film and thought you had that right there?
A: You can always look back and say I could’ve thrown one here. I am just trying to go through the reads. It is one of those cases where someone might have been open, my first progression might have been open, and you take that and look back and, well, if you would have gotten to your second progression, you had a go route that was open on it. That is part of football. You can’t start second-guessing or start changing your reads just to try to get something deep because all of sudden you do that and the deep one doesn’t win and you are stuck with sacks or several bad plays. I have to stay the course and keep going through my progressions and hopefully guys can keep winning their routes and we will find completions. As long as you are getting completions and first downs, moving the ball, having drives, that is good, also.

What's wrong with saying the season goes with Eli?  
Ten Ton Hammer : 10/30/2014 8:39 pm : link
He's the quarterback.
nothing wrong with that. . .  
dancing blue bear : 10/30/2014 8:54 pm : link
really. it went further, tho. you can read the transcripts. better yet, listen to the presser. i wasn't outraged, but it struck me as kinda douchey. To the effect that the offense has to be more aggressive. fine, we all agree. but went on to say we like eli taking care of the ball, but he has to. . .

now, to put it on one player is silly, and shows a lack of understanding on how things work together, . . pass pro, experienced receivers, whatever

or he could be saying it to light a fire, but that is dumb too, because really, do you think eli, or TC could work more than they do? , or harder? or try more or whatever. those guys are internally driven.

idk, read the comments
Looks like  
rocco8112 : 10/30/2014 9:00 pm : link
this offense needs guys who can run after the catch to hit a big play. Without Cruz the Giants are lacking in that area. I find it hard to believe Reese does not know this.

If he equates aggressiveness with deep shots, then why did he get rid of the guy who coordinated a system that called for Eli to consistently fire the ball down-field come hell or high water?


we pay Eli a great deal of money to make plays  
mdc1 : 10/30/2014 9:04 pm : link
. think about that for a moment. For what he is paid they need to be consistent plays and big plays. If he cannot make big plays then why are we paying him superstar money when we could average quarterbacks for that?
Those deep balls won't happen  
David in LA : 10/30/2014 9:06 pm : link
without a running game to keep the defense honest.
Eli is the big play king  
rocco8112 : 10/30/2014 9:08 pm : link
and he throws deep as good or better than anyone in the NFL.

He has a decade of play to back that up. He can only run what the offense calls for though and this is a different offensive philosophy.

We have already seen these year that when it is clicking though, ELi can dink and dunk it with the best of them.
that's the thing. . .  
dancing blue bear : 10/30/2014 9:38 pm : link
it's not all on Eli to throw it down field. gotta have a play call, need to set it up with the run, need the pass pro, need receivers to know what they're doing and get open.

we can't run well, can't pass block, and Rueben Randle is our most experienced receiver. our best WR has played 4 games. seems like Eli is the least of the problems
Well to be fair  
bradshaw44 : 10/30/2014 10:03 pm : link
After Reese called Eli Skittish in 2007 we went on to win the Super Bowl. But yea I was ticked at his comments the other day, so good for Eli.
what I don't get  
islander1 : 10/30/2014 10:04 pm : link
its not our offense that's the problem.

Outside of week 1, the only problems with our offense have been occasional lapses in blocking, and turnovers. Eli is managing OK with 5 picks so far, but I mean seriously - how about riding our DC and shoddy special teams.
I didn't like JR's comment either......  
Dry Lightning : 10/30/2014 10:07 pm : link
Stupid mistakes and no running game are killing us. Eli has been great.
JR is a bum  
TommyWiseau : 10/30/2014 10:21 pm : link
And so is Marc Ross
All Reese  
Rflairr : 10/30/2014 10:34 pm : link
said was the offense needed to be more aggressive. Which is exactly the same thing TC said on Francessa. And is no different than what most people on this board says in game threads.
Reese  
stretch234 : 10/30/2014 10:45 pm : link
After watching them run straight ahead on 1st down 14 times with the defense knowing that was the play, i would be more aggressive.

Dallas did not even hide the fact that they were not just loading the box, but loading the middle. They had zero respect for running laterally. There is only so much an OL can do when there are more people to block than blockers.

you have to put the D on its heels some times on 1st down

All that said, the defense has got to get off the field on 3rd and long.

Ralph's tweet was designed to cause a headline  
Dry Lightning : 10/30/2014 10:46 pm : link
Eli answered the question very diplomatically and that quote is inaccurate. Ralph should be fired over it. As for Eli, I think it did piss him off a little, but he answered the way he always does. With class. Of which Ralph has none.
Hey, Jerry, find some linemen who'll buy him time  
CT Charlie : 10/30/2014 10:53 pm : link
to throw the deep ball, OK?

And I'm generally a Reese supporter.
Reese understands  
WillieYoung : 10/30/2014 11:09 pm : link
we are not good enough to win playing conservatively. All he is saying is we have to take chances to beat good teams. I agree. I don't want to look good in defeat.
Losing Cruz was a huge, huge blow to this team  
SGMen : 10/30/2014 11:43 pm : link
He could have made a lot of catches with Beckham on the outside now. We'd have a well rounded group of 3 receivers.

Alas, it was not to be so lets make do with what we have. Parker works hard, a poor man's Cruz.

Or maybe we'll see more two TE sets which could help the run / pass game. Bottom line is new wrinkles were hopefully thought up during the bye week to help.
RE: we pay Eli a great deal of money to make plays  
Ralph.C : 10/31/2014 2:37 am : link
In comment 11948935 mdc1 said:
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. think about that for a moment. For what he is paid they need to be consistent plays and big plays. If he cannot make big plays then why are we paying him superstar money when we could average quarterbacks for that?


We pay Eli to make the plays WHEN THEY ARE THERE TO BE MADE. We also pay him to be smart with the football and recognize when the plays are not there. He gets paid to be smart and execute. He doesn't get paid to be a "gun-slinging" moron.
Eli cannot be more aggressive  
BigBlueCane : 10/31/2014 4:45 am : link
taking the shots down field.

This offense isn't designed to do that.

Doesn't anyone remember last year's horror show?
RE: I hate how Reese calls out individual players  
AnishPatel : 10/31/2014 7:10 am : link
In comment 11948840 robbieballs2003 said:
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Like saying that our season will go as Eli and JPP go or that they have to play like superstars. That isn't how football works. And, they are both playing well so why are we 3-4?


I agree that does annoy me. But in response to the original post, Eli was on the WFAN and basically said the same thing. If he feels we have a favorable 1 on 1 match up on the outside and he gets time he will be aggressive. But he isn't going to be aggressive for the sake of it or force it.

Good for Eli in saying that. Basically if I am Eli, I am doing this my way. If the Giants don't like it, then don't re-sign me. Otherwise stay out, and let me run my offense.

...  
SanFranGiantsFan : 10/31/2014 7:24 am : link
Well, if the OL can't block & the running game is nonexistent to keep the defense honest, we can't throw the ball down the field.
RE: we pay Eli a great deal of money to make plays  
HomerJones45 : 10/31/2014 8:15 am : link
In comment 11948935 mdc1 said:
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. think about that for a moment. For what he is paid they need to be consistent plays and big plays. If he cannot make big plays then why are we paying him superstar money when we could average quarterbacks for that?
shhhh.
Well,  
Doomster : 10/31/2014 8:47 am : link
I hate how Reese calls out individual players
robbieballs2003 : 10/30/2014 7:53 pm : link : reply
Like saying that our season will go as Eli and JPP go or that they have to play like superstars. That isn't how football works. And, they are both playing well so why are we 3-4?

But it is true.....Eli is paid to lead this team.....JPP is the best DLman on the team.....would anyone say Eli is playing on a level he did in 2011? Or JPP?

Neither is....That year was magical for Eli....he was harassed by defensive lines, and yet came up with big plays....JPP was also unreal that year

The big difference is the supporting cast....teams couldn't concentrate on JPP, like they can now.....

What has Eli got for weapons? A rookie running back? TE's who have never started a game? Third string slot receivers? Another rookie trying to be a #1 receiver?

Whether they like it or not, both are the leaders of this team, and if it is going to make a move, they will have to be the leaders....
Black and white - clear as crystal. Filler removed  
mattlawson : 10/31/2014 8:49 am : link
If we can create some throws down the field, that is great, but you can’t force them just to throw the ball down the field.

Q: Isn’t that kind of what happened last year where you were forcing it a little bit, which led to more turnovers than you guys wanted?

A: Yes.
I'd like to say that Reece should just...  
nicky43 : 10/31/2014 8:50 am : link
just stick to his own job but I don't like the job he's doing there and the last thing I want is him coaching.

I think he has recognized he blew it and has let the talent level of this team get too low over the last few years and is tying to shift some of the blame away from himself.

He is so lucky to have TC there to help minimize the damage of his GM decisions.



You're right  
dep026 : 10/31/2014 8:56 am : link
Eli cant make big plays. HomerJones continues to be one of the biggest shitstains on this site.
RE: RE: we pay Eli a great deal of money to make plays  
Brandon Walsh : 10/31/2014 9:11 am : link
In comment 11949311 HomerJones45 said:
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In comment 11948935 mdc1 said:


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. think about that for a moment. For what he is paid they need to be consistent plays and big plays. If he cannot make big plays then why are we paying him superstar money when we could average quarterbacks for that?

shhhh.


So you want him to go out of the framework of the offense regarding his progressions due to the size of his contract?

Brilliant analysis right there.
RE: You're right  
drkenneth : 10/31/2014 9:56 am : link
In comment 11949353 dep026 said:
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Eli cant make big plays. HomerJones continues to be one of the biggest shitstains on this site.


+1
if Reese would  
phil fromphilly : 10/31/2014 9:59 am : link
Have drafted or signed better lineman maybe Eli would have enough time to look and throw deep more. JR is the real reason this team hasn't been able to compete. You can't prepare a proper meal if the person who does the food shopping only buys rotten eggs.

I hope Mara and Tisch take a long look at this D-Bag come the end of the season, especially In light of these ridiculous comments.
Hey Nicky,  
Mike L. : 10/31/2014 10:01 am : link
TC is usually sitting right next to Jerry in the Finding Giants episodes - you think he has no say in personel??? Also, TC is lucky Ernie traded up for Eli - without that, no Super Bowls. Also, Mara made him fire Hufnagel and Tim Lewis, without that, no SB titles either. TC is a great coach, but he's not perfect. Reese has done a very good job in his years with the Giants - he's also not perfect.
Giants are top 10  
dep026 : 10/31/2014 10:12 am : link
in the NFL in drops and bottom 5 in YAC.

Damn Eli.
RE: I'd like to say that Reece should just...  
mattlawson : 10/31/2014 10:46 am : link
In comment 11949346 nicky43 said:
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just stick to his own job but I don't like the job he's doing there and the last thing I want is him coaching.

I think he has recognized he blew it and has let the talent level of this team get too low over the last few years and is tying to shift some of the blame away from himself.

He is so lucky to have TC there to help minimize the damage of his GM decisions.





I would like to say I can't wait until this statement is proven correct .... But that would mean years of floundering far worse than eight and eight.

Let's not and say we did
Problem is,  
Doomster : 10/31/2014 10:56 am : link
this team hovers around 8-8, +/-1, it seems year after year.....

Does that mean they are an average team?

Does it mean they don't have the players?

Does it mean the coaches don't put them in a position to win?

When you finish in the middle of the pack, year after year, you draft in the middle of the pack, too....

Sometimes to be good, you have to be real bad...worked for the Colts.....but it will never be that way with the Giants....
RE: You're right  
HomerJones45 : 10/31/2014 11:36 am : link
In comment 11949353 dep026 said:
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Eli cant make big plays. HomerJones continues to be one of the biggest shitstains on this site.
Ah, my stalker returns.

We opened it up last year. The result was 27 picks and a #32 ranking for your brother-in-law in an offense designed to go down the field that none of you liked. Your only interest is in protecting your brother-in-law's back and making excuses. Your next original thought will be your first.

Now go fuck yourself.

They had an offensive philosophy built  
steve in ky : 10/31/2014 11:47 am : link
entirely around going for the big play and high rewards. Then Mara with Reese at his side publicly called it "broken" and went in an entirely new direction with McAdoo. Now less than half way into learning that new offense he is going to publicly criticize it and suggest they need a strategy of going for more big plays?

I am slowing getting more and more tired of the John Mara/Reese leadership.
.....  
BrettNYG10 : 10/31/2014 12:10 pm : link
There's a middle ground between throwing deep every play and starting the game with three straight runs that went nowhere.

The game plan this past Sunday was awful, and may have cost us the game. Far too conservative given how well Eli played.
RE: if Reese would  
HomerJones45 : 10/31/2014 12:13 pm : link
In comment 11949459 phil fromphilly said:
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Have drafted or signed better lineman maybe Eli would have enough time to look and throw deep more. JR is the real reason this team hasn't been able to compete. You can't prepare a proper meal if the person who does the food shopping only buys rotten eggs.

I hope Mara and Tisch take a long look at this D-Bag come the end of the season, especially In light of these ridiculous comments.
Eli had plenty of time against Dallas. 63% completions and no picks. Yay! Colt fucking McCoy hit 25 of 30 passes against the same defense for 300 yards and near 10 yards an attempt.

Reese's critique is not out of line. The offense you guys wanted is producing middling results: 22nd in yards passing, 12th in passer rating, 23rd in yards/attempt. The "historic" stats cited are meh in this era. Eli's completion percentage in an offense designed to increase completion percentage ranks him 14th. Picks are down but they are down all over the league. Dalton, Rodgers, Big Brother, Brady, Orton, Wilson, Glennon, Smith and Big Ben all have less. Carr, Rivers, Newton, Davis and Kaepernik have the same.

The poster here who questioned why we are spending $20 million for these results raised a legitimate point whether you guys like to face it or not. And Reese is not out of line wondering why we aren't taking advantage of the passing game as other teams are doing.

It's time to pick it up.
RE: RE: You're right  
dep026 : 10/31/2014 12:28 pm : link
In comment 11949607 HomerJones45 said:
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In comment 11949353 dep026 said:


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Eli cant make big plays. HomerJones continues to be one of the biggest shitstains on this site.

Ah, my stalker returns.

We opened it up last year. The result was 27 picks and a #32 ranking for your brother-in-law in an offense designed to go down the field that none of you liked. Your only interest is in protecting your brother-in-law's back and making excuses. Your next original thought will be your first.

Now go fuck yourself.


Ahhh my little bitch. Hating on Eli as usual. It's sad and ild.

Keep ignoring the top 10 in the nfl in drops and bottom 5 in YAC. you know who has the 2nd most yards after catch.... Rashad Jennings and he has been out for weeks.

Don't let facts get IN the way of another pointless rant.

Go fuck myself? No thanks. I'll let you experience your type of pleasure.
It's amazing  
dep026 : 10/31/2014 12:30 pm : link
How fucking stupid homerjones45 is. He still doesn't realize that personnel needs to help his qb. And right now our skilled players are fucking awful. So instead of blaming eli for playing well.... maybe guys like donnell, randle, parker, and now beckham can step up and make plays. You want big plays... get open or break tackles.
The talent on offense isn't any good.  
drkenneth : 10/31/2014 12:42 pm : link
Everyone knows this. We need more playmakers on offense, and a functional OL.
jesus  
GMenLTS : 10/31/2014 12:42 pm : link
I hate agreeing with dep but homer's lack of logic when using stats is a sight to behold.

I'm convinced he listens to games on the radio and comments on players based on the stats after the fact.



Brett, completely on point and couldn't agree more. That gameplan might as well have been called, 'lets try to win despite having vaginas'
....  
BrettNYG10 : 10/31/2014 12:44 pm : link
It's like we were too afraid of a repeat of 2013.

McAdoo is young and inexperienced. I expect more of these growing pains. But it was a really frustrating game to watch.
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