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Is this game our season?

Doomster : 10/31/2014 10:34 am
There are three ways this ends....

Colts win....

Giants win.....

Colts decimate the Giants....

With the loss of our players continuing to grow, I think most Giant fans think the Giants lose this one(Perry fewell stopping a passing offense?), but are hoping for an upset....

If the Giants win, it will be their first win against a winning team with their starting qb, in three seasons....if they win, anything is possible after that....

If they lose, now they have to go to the west coast, and face a wounded Seattle team, that is fighting to right their ship.....a rather daunting task.....but after playing Oakland, they might be ripe for an upset....

But if they lose big time, after having two weeks to rest and prepare, what direction will this team be headed? If this team does not show up again for this game, it could be all over.....these next four games could start a snowball down a hill, that can't be stopped.....

I have no idea what this team will do on Monday.....we have seen this team rise up out of the ashes and play flawless football....we have seen games where they shouldn't have run out of the tunnel.....but compared to last year, this team has a shot...a slim one, but still a shot....

The Dallas game was the Giants' season.  
Riggies : 10/31/2014 10:40 am : link
Losing to the Lions, Cardinals, and Eagles made that game do or die; they died.

Stuff like the Lions coming back against the Falcons or the likely loss to the Colts is just shoveling dirt on top by any even tenuously reasonable extent.
pretty much  
dontboobigblue : 10/31/2014 10:42 am : link
If they lose I can see them sliding to 3-8. A win gives them a chance to have a huge home stand against SF and Dallas that can get them to 6-5 with a realistic shot to win the rest of their ga,es

Riggies  
dontboobigblue : 10/31/2014 10:42 am : link
You are wrong
In the end, it's a strong possibility Riggies is correct  
JonC : 10/31/2014 10:46 am : link
Beat the Colts and they would still be a dog in the fight. This team isn't climbing out of a 3-5 hole, they're more likely to be 3-8.
RE: The Dallas game was the Giants' season.  
BlueHurricane : 10/31/2014 10:51 am : link
In comment 11949508 Riggies said:
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Losing to the Lions, Cardinals, and Eagles made that game do or die; they died.

Stuff like the Lions coming back against the Falcons or the likely loss to the Colts is just shoveling dirt on top by any even tenuously reasonable extent.


No offense dude but shit like this is so stupid.

I aint saying it's going to happen but if we rattle off 9 wins the early part of the season means nothing. The season is not over until we receive our 7th loss. Its the way I ave always looked at seasons.
Not at all  
NYBEN : 10/31/2014 10:53 am : link
of the next 4 games this is by far the least important. They have to win the conference games. But I will agree if they lose this one then beating Seattle in their house becomes a must win(something I personally don't thing will happen).Two years ago the redskins were 3-6 then went on to win 7 straight and win the division. Anything can happen in this league, you guys are looking at the teams that we have to play and determining wins and loses. But as we all SHOULD know it's not who you play but when you play them. Let's let the season play out and put the shovels away.
RE: Riggies  
Riggies : 10/31/2014 10:56 am : link
In comment 11949519 dontboobigblue said:
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You are wrong


Someone hasn't actually looked at how the rest of the NFC is stacking up vs where the Giants have stuck themselves, I see.

They could somehow go 7-2 (they won't) and would still likely lose the very very likely tie breaker for any WC at 10-6 they'll face thanks to the conference hole they'll be. In some weird world where 9-7 ends up enough for one (it won't), same and more certain story: they very likely won't be winning any tiebreaks. They're also not winning the division; one might, but two massive collapses aren't happening.

They needed to win in Dallas to keep any realistic shot alive. They didn't. It sucks and I won't begrudge anyone for not fully accepting it, given that it's still October, but it's reality.
I don't think so  
Go Terps : 10/31/2014 10:57 am : link
Only two games behind Dallas and Philly...and both those teams may be fraying due to injury.

I don't expect a playoff season, but it's way too early to declare anything. Last year at this time we were 1-6 and could have made noise with a home win over Dallas. Situation is much less dire this year.

Let's see how they come out of the bye.
A couple more losses  
Torn Tendon : 10/31/2014 10:59 am : link
and the should IR DRC so he can be plenty ready for next year.

Get the younger players some game reps.
I always refuse to miss a single second of a game  
Mike in Long Beach : 10/31/2014 11:20 am : link
until we are mathematically eliminated...

But yes. We lose this week and the season is over.
That said  
Mike in Long Beach : 10/31/2014 11:21 am : link
If we win, there's plenty of reason to think we can make a run.

It really is a big game. I just wish it were a conference game.
A win would be huge  
Dan in WNY : 10/31/2014 11:26 am : link
For the team's confidence. Maybe even a close, hard fought loss. Another blow out loss, though? I think that would be the season.

Unfortunately, I think the stars are aligning for a blow out. Night game, Jennings out, a young accurate QB who can evade the rush. It's all pointing to bad stuff.

That said, with how I predict the NFL, the Giants will put a smack down on them.
Yes!  
Randy in CT : 10/31/2014 11:27 am : link
If we lose, I heard that they will cancel the rest of our games. True story.
I think they could come out a bit rusty....  
Simms11 : 10/31/2014 11:31 am : link
however, I think they pick it up and at least make it competitive. We'll see where it ends up, but Indy is banged up too and colder weather may also be a factor to a dome team like Indy.

Either way, it's not the end until we're mathematically eliminated and that won't be for a number of weeks still.
Confidence wise  
gmen9892 : 10/31/2014 11:59 am : link
I think this is a HUGE game. Start this 4 game stretch with a W against one of the better teams in the league, and you are riding a good emotional high going into Seattle (who looks ordinary at best the past few games).

If the Giants are tied or close at half, they are winning this game. Mark it down. Crowd is going to be jacked up after the halftime festivities if the game is still close.
technical No, Realistically YES  
ZogZerg : 10/31/2014 12:16 pm : link
Giants have to win this game to get their mojo back.
Season's already over. I'm just happy  
ballanda : 10/31/2014 12:18 pm : link
1) The Jets suck and always will
2) Romo is poised for another very entertaining implosion
3) The Eagles can be stopped by good teams
realistically, the season is will be over  
dangerousrappingfrog : 10/31/2014 12:24 pm : link
as far as making the playoffs are concerned.
No its not over but unless Jennings  
Jimmy Googs : 10/31/2014 12:26 pm : link
gets back very soon (and plays well) and if we lose one more defensive starter to injury,

then its over...
Losing to Dallas on the road did not end our season..  
KingBlue : 10/31/2014 12:27 pm : link
We sweep our remaining division games at home and we will be right there. Colts and SF in our building are not automatic losses. Have a little faith... geez
RE: I always refuse to miss a single second of a game  
BlueHurricane : 10/31/2014 12:30 pm : link
In comment 11949580 Mike in Long Beach said:
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until we are mathematically eliminated...

But yes. We lose this week and the season is over.


Hypothetically we lose Monday. Beat Seattle, San Fran and Dallas. We are 6-5. You aint watching anymore games the rest of the way?
Not at all  
nicky43 : 10/31/2014 12:37 pm : link
Anything can happen in this league.

All it will mean is a few better draft pick positions if we lose and a few lower positions if we win.
To me the Eagles  
mrvax : 10/31/2014 12:43 pm : link
game was the one game that I decided would tell me what we ave this year. I said that a week before the game. I thought the Giants would win but their true colors came flying through.

Why does this team get beaten worse than the Raiders a few times each year? Why do they lay down like dogs sometimes?

7-9, 8-8. The rest of this season just gets me ready for next year. I hope I'm wrong.
NYG offense needs to show up big  
JonC : 10/31/2014 12:50 pm : link
NYG defense is wicked up and down, but Indy's is as well. We need to dictate to their defense and it wear it out because Indy is going to score 30+.
Amazing how  
NYBEN : 10/31/2014 12:52 pm : link
we spend all off season counting down the day for football season to start. And then we get threads like this ..people that can't wait to declare the season over. Honestly it's really sad that you guys can't enjoy the season for what it is, there are going to be peaks and valleys that's part of the fun. And also while we are being honest ..how many of these threads did we see in 2007 ? Probably twice as many in 2011? If you guys have given up and don't want to watch that is of course you choice to do so ..but for me the season isn't over until the players are cleaning out their lockers.
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arcarsenal : 10/31/2014 1:06 pm : link
No, it's not our season and nor was the Dallas game. Losing this game would put a tremendous dent in any chance we have though. We'd be hanging by a thread at that point.

Hope our offense is up to the task because 21 points ain't getting it done.
"It would be the first win against a winning team...  
silverfox : 10/31/2014 1:16 pm : link
...with their starting QB in three seasons". If this is even remotely true, I had no idea this team has been that bad for that long. WOW...
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arcarsenal : 10/31/2014 1:26 pm : link
3 seasons? I don't think that's accurate. In November of 2012 we beat the Packers with Rodgers. 2 years is a long time and technically it has spanned 3 separate seasons but it hasn't been 3 full NFL seasons.
Agree  
mark56 : 10/31/2014 1:34 pm : link
I agree with NYBEN, we wait all year to watch NY Giants football so the motto "it aint over til its over" applies.
A team with..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 10/31/2014 1:36 pm : link
a winning record is also a debate. The giants beat teams who had winning records at the time they won, but then they ended up with losing records (probably aided by the Giants beating them).
RE: A team with..  
arcarsenal : 10/31/2014 1:41 pm : link
In comment 11949839 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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a winning record is also a debate. The giants beat teams who had winning records at the time they won, but then they ended up with losing records (probably aided by the Giants beating them).


Yeah, I'm not really sure what the criteria is or where this poster is getting that from. Wouldn't beating the Texans, who were 2-0 at the time with their starting QB qualify as one of those games?
no.  
Les in TO : 10/31/2014 1:44 pm : link
it's the 8th game of our season and only half way through the year.

if they lose, they are 3-5 and have to go on a run to slip into the playoffs.

injuries, chemistry, new guys stepping up....lots can happen both for us and our competitors.
No, it's not.  
George : 10/31/2014 1:47 pm : link
But we need to win two of the next four (Colts, Hawks, niners, Boys) to have a shot at the playoffs. Rest of the way: Titans, Jags, Skins, Rams, Eagles.

Philly and Dallas, meanwhile, have tougher schedules ahead of them. I still hold that the latter will finish 8-8 and the former 9-7.

If we win two of the next four, we should be in a good position to go into our last game of the season with a shot at the playoffs.
Schedules  
George : 10/31/2014 1:59 pm : link
Dallas (6-2): Arizona, Jax, NYG, Phil, Chi, Phi, Ind, Wash. They'll beat Jax, but the rest are up for grabs (seeing as how Wash beat them this week and Romo's back might not be in good shape the rest of the way). 8-8.

Philadelphia (5-2): Houston, Car, GB, Ten, Dal, Hawks, Dal, Wash, NYG. Yes, they have Satan on their side, but only the Titans' game looks like a gimme. Wash played them tough and you never know about Carolina, the weirdest team in the NFL. 9-7.


By the way, we're only one game in the loss column behind the Eagles. This season is far from over. But we'll have a better handle on things by Thanksgiving. If the standings look like this by then, then we're good: we'll roll at the end of the season.

Phil 7-4
Dal 7-4
NYG 5-6





Pride  
Dragon : 10/31/2014 2:14 pm : link
When the Giants start playing for Pride then the season will be over.
RE: Schedules  
arcarsenal : 10/31/2014 2:18 pm : link
In comment 11949876 George said:
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Dallas (6-2): Arizona, Jax, NYG, Phil, Chi, Phi, Ind, Wash. They'll beat Jax, but the rest are up for grabs (seeing as how Wash beat them this week and Romo's back might not be in good shape the rest of the way). 8-8.

Philadelphia (5-2): Houston, Car, GB, Ten, Dal, Hawks, Dal, Wash, NYG. Yes, they have Satan on their side, but only the Titans' game looks like a gimme. Wash played them tough and you never know about Carolina, the weirdest team in the NFL. 9-7.


By the way, we're only one game in the loss column behind the Eagles. This season is far from over. But we'll have a better handle on things by Thanksgiving. If the standings look like this by then, then we're good: we'll roll at the end of the season.

Phil 7-4
Dal 7-4
NYG 5-6






We are 2 games behind the Eagles in the loss column. They're 5-2 and we are 3-4.
I think it's more of a season deciding 3gm stretch  
Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy : 10/31/2014 2:25 pm : link
Colts
@Seahawks
Niners

Cowboys

We need to go 2-1 in that stretch. We can afford to lose this game if we win against Seattle and SanFran. We need to be atleast 5-5 heading into that Dallas rematch.

Problem is @Seattle is as tough as it gets, even with them struggling a bit. And if we lose this week the would make @Seattle a true "season on the line" game, not good. So this game isn't quite the season but it's insanely important.
They need to go 2-2  
JoefromPa : 10/31/2014 3:19 pm : link
in next 4 games to remain relevant. Would really help if one of those wins was against the Cowboys. As this is an AFC game, one could make the argument that it is the least important of the next 4.

However, a win would be big in that it gives the team some much needed confidence and momentum.
Lies, Damn Lies, and Statistics  
George : 10/31/2014 4:23 pm : link
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We are 2 games behind the Eagles in the loss column. They're 5-2 and we are 3-4.


Math is overrated.
need 1 of next 3 minimum  
CGiants07 : 10/31/2014 4:31 pm : link
then beating dallas before thanksgiving is a must also. 5-6 after 11 games is the worst we can be and still have a chance
I don't see our defense being good enough  
Dave in Hoboken : 10/31/2014 4:32 pm : link
(and certainly not smart enough) to limit an Andrew Luck led offense.
I feel like we ask or say this every week  
illmatic : 10/31/2014 5:19 pm : link
But yeah, if they lose this weekend, they're done. Unless you can picture them going 7-1 the rest of the way or whatever. I sure as hell can't picture that after a potential 3-5 start.
Put me on the side  
ron in new mexico : 10/31/2014 5:32 pm : link
that says last game was the G's season.

Even if they did by some miracle squeeze in, I see any quality opponent playing up to their game in a meaningful game…beating the g's. Off game not consequential they could beat a lot of teams. Sort of like with INdy they could beat Indy midseason and all.
Honestly, I don't think we have enough on defense to stop  
SGMen : 10/31/2014 5:41 pm : link
Luck and that offense. Losing Will Hill and W. Thurmond really hurt what was looking to be a super solid secondary this off-season. Now DRC is hurting too and we are playing with our 5th and 6th corners and a career backup safety in Demps. Rolle is looking like he peaked last year and is on the decline now.

Jenkins is likely out and that hurts cause he is our best interior pass rusher and our pass rush wasn't all that to begin with! Home, 2 weeks to prepare, but not enough players to keep pace with a team that can really move the ball.

Our offense will need to put up 35+ to win this game and while it may be possible on the Colts defense I'm not sure we can. Losing Cruz really hurt this offense now that Beckham is healthy. Cruz would be getting 7 to 10 catches a game underneath if healthy. Oh well, maybe next year!

I see us falling to Monday night in a close game and also losing on the road in Seattle in another close game. We'll fight but we just don't have the talent to compete for four quarters right now. Major retooling yet again this off-season.
But I will say this as well in addition to my previous post  
SGMen : 10/31/2014 5:56 pm : link
If for some reason we do surprise and win Monday night and travel to Seattle and upset them while the Cowboys lose and Eagles lose a game or two each well we are right back in it. The key is for us to win Monday while both Dallas and Philly lose this weekend. That would really tighten up the race.

I would love for us to be vying for a playoff spot the final game of the season vs the Eagles at home. Injuries happen. Bad snaps happen. The Eagles OL is hurting. The Cowboys lost Durant on defense and have no one to really replace his tackling speed. Anything can happen. Our schedule has been brutal.

If we somehow stay / get healthy by the Seattle game (Jennings, DRC, Jenkins) who is to say good things couldn't happen? 5-4...moving forward...healthy...Dallas hurting (Romo, Durant) and the Eagles too (OL). Oh my, that would be great!

Just a shame we lost to AZ. Of the games we lost this is the one we should have won.
Dallas  
BigBlueCane : 10/31/2014 6:52 pm : link
was the season.

They simply don't have the horses to compete now. The fallout from that realization will be interesting. Aside from that... not much to see.
The last two loses  
TMS : 10/31/2014 8:49 pm : link
sent a stark message about this team, Especially the humiliation by the Eagles in shutting us out. But things can change quick in this league. We still have ELI and our coaches so you never know. Time is running out fast though.
NFC is weaker this year record wise  
ImaGiant86 : 10/31/2014 9:42 pm : link
Only 8 teams with a .500 or better record compared to 12 in the AFC. We still have a legitimate shot, 10-6 can get us in.

I would say the Seahawks and 49ers games are more important because of the WC implications. We can't afford to lose another game right now but if we do, losing to an AFC team hurts us less. We need those head-to-head conference wins.

We already lost to the Cardinals and Lions, currently division leaders but no guarantees. If they get bumped those losses will come to bite us in the ass. We need Detroit and Arizona to continue winning, it looks like Arizona is the real deal this year but the Packers are always dangerous and not bar behind Detroit.

RE: RE: Riggies  
Great White Ghost : 11/1/2014 1:53 am : link
In comment 11949537 Riggies said:
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In comment 11949519 dontboobigblue said:


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You are wrong



Someone hasn't actually looked at how the rest of the NFC is stacking up vs where the Giants have stuck themselves, I see.

They could somehow go 7-2 (they won't) and would still likely lose the very very likely tie breaker for any WC at 10-6 they'll face thanks to the conference hole they'll be. In some weird world where 9-7 ends up enough for one (it won't), same and more certain story: they very likely won't be winning any tiebreaks. They're also not winning the division; one might, but two massive collapses aren't happening.

They needed to win in Dallas to keep any realistic shot alive. They didn't. It sucks and I won't begrudge anyone for not fully accepting it, given that it's still October, but it's reality.
10-6 and no playoffs is going to be looked at as a succesful season, all things considered. Jobs will be retained, a winnign record and familiarity with the offense established, going into next year there will be optimism and heightened expectations.I'd take 10-6 and no playoffs, call it a day and assume we had done the best we could with what we had.It'd be something to build on.
We can only win if...  
awm34 : 11/1/2014 8:56 am : link
the secondary plays a near-perfect game.
...  
SanFranGiantsFan : 11/1/2014 9:00 am : link
We need to go 2-2 in the next 4. If we can, we can make things interesting.
This is a non conference game, so no..  
Sean : 11/1/2014 9:10 am : link
the Giants need to sweep their division games which get them to 6 wins, assume they beat Jax and Tenn which get them to 8, and then win 2 of these...

Indy
@Sea
SF
@Stl

That will get them to 10, and that still may not be enough, but it's a 10-6 year.
Beating Seattle and SF are pivotal  
spike : 11/1/2014 9:19 am : link
as they are right above the Giants in the playoff hunt and the Gmen need every tiebreaker they can get.

They have to catch the Eagles/Packers, Niners, Seahawks to have a shot at postseason
I thought the season was over after the Dallas game  
AnyoneButPhilly : 11/1/2014 9:47 am : link
But philly and Dallas losing last week gives us a fighting chance
Giants and 6 other teams started 0-2 and statistically only 1 of those  
baadbill : 11/1/2014 10:43 am : link
teams are making the playoffs ... and the Giants ARE NOT going to be that team ... the season was over when the Giants started 0-2

What disturbs me the most is my own reaction ... I am 62 years old ... I have not missed a single snap of a single game since at least 1970 ... and yet this year I feel very disconnected from football ... I watch more because I feel I am supposed to but this team does not excite me in the slightest ... it is the single most boring Giants squad of my lifetime, and that is saying something (after all, that includes the 2013 team and the teams of the 70s) ... the only player I have any interest in watching is Beckham ... and I have zero interest in any other team in the NLF, including the NFC East (because it doesn't matter) ... I'm like a fish out of water ... my life is upside down ... I wish I didn't feel this way ... I WANT to be interested ... but it's the Giants fault - the absence of exciting young talent makes them FUCKING BORING
RE: I thought the season was over after the Dallas game  
spike : 11/1/2014 10:59 am : link
In comment 11950583 AnyoneButPhilly said:
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But philly and Dallas losing last week gives us a fighting chance


Yep, and they might lose again this week against the Texans and Cardinals.
RE: Giants and 6 other teams started 0-2 and statistically only 1 of those  
spike : 11/1/2014 11:00 am : link
In comment 11950640 baadbill said:
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teams are making the playoffs ... and the Giants ARE NOT going to be that team ... the season was over when the Giants started 0-2

What disturbs me the most is my own reaction ... I am 62 years old ... I have not missed a single snap of a single game since at least 1970 ... and yet this year I feel very disconnected from football ... I watch more because I feel I am supposed to but this team does not excite me in the slightest ... it is the single most boring Giants squad of my lifetime, and that is saying something (after all, that includes the 2013 team and the teams of the 70s) ... the only player I have any interest in watching is Beckham ... and I have zero interest in any other team in the NLF, including the NFC East (because it doesn't matter) ... I'm like a fish out of water ... my life is upside down ... I wish I didn't feel this way ... I WANT to be interested ... but it's the Giants fault - the absence of exciting young talent makes them FUCKING BORING


I agree. It starts with the lifeless defense. It has little young talent, except Prince. It is time for Fewell to go and Reese needs to focus on drafting more defensive playmakers.
It would be nice to see some defensive playmakers again  
Jimmy Googs : 11/1/2014 11:34 am : link
like a fast DE or impact LB.

But just like last year, resources are going to have to be spread around all over the team including more O-lineman, a new Tight End, probably another WR, another Safety, etc...
Nothing is  
Rick5 : 11/2/2014 8:31 am : link
over until it becomes mathematically impossible. However, at this stage, I don't expect this team to end up with a record better than 8-8 (which is pretty much what I expected before the season started).
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