Eli's prime time goes down the drain
For yet another year, Giants' season is a flush thanks to Manning's talentless team
Title of the article articulates how I feel. Freaking waste of his prime. No talent on offense.
Eli's prime time goes down the drain - (
New Window )
That said the Giants gift-wrapped the only Colt TD in the first half with a mental error and Rolle dropped any easy pick late in the first half.
Do not even get me started on the DRC epic fucking fail. He had that ball ripped fron him like he was a baby, that should have been a pick against Luck and things may have been a bit different with a big stop there. But, as is their MO the D shit the bed right after the O scored a TD.
My point is that the Colts are cleary better, they are a contender while the Giants are not. But, I did not see this all world Luck that can not be beat. Guy also puts up crazy stats since all the Colts do is throw.
To me put Eli on the Colts with their guys and game plan and Eli would light it up. Put Luck on the Giants with their "talent" on O and the result would be the same.
Can you blame him? I feel his pain. Put yourself in his shoes. No one does anything right, from the OL to route running to even holding on to the god damn ball if and when they make the catch.
It has to be painful to be surrounded by that.
To waste Eli with this shit roster and to give TC this kind of send off is bullshit.
whereas elite quarterbacks like peyton brady and luck can overcome talent deficinecies surrounding them with their smarts, leadership and athleticism respectively, eli needs a solid running game and pass protection to be at his best.
again - he was not helped by all the drops and lack of running game, but he was far from perfect.
whereas elite quarterbacks like peyton brady and luck can overcome talent deficinecies surrounding them with their smarts, leadership and athleticism respectively, eli needs a solid running game and pass protection to be at his best.
again - he was not helped by all the drops and lack of running game, but he was far from perfect.
Then you would agree that luck wasn't particularly good last night as well? Two dropped INTs. Really low passing percentage. Clearly affected by the rush.
But you won't hear the talking heads talk about that though, right?
whereas elite quarterbacks like peyton brady and luck can overcome talent deficinecies surrounding them with their smarts, leadership and athleticism respectively, eli needs a solid running game and pass protection to be at his best.
again - he was not helped by all the drops and lack of running game, but he was far from perfect.
Please stop. You have to be kidding.
I have to agree. This is not a one-year rebuilding process. We need talent in too many areas to acquire it in one year. Even if you look at a bad team like Jacksonville, you can see that they have a pretty damn good defense, and need just a few pieces offensively to compete. We need OL, WR's, LB's DB's...too much to do in a year, even 2.
brady has had no name or rookie wide receivers, running backs, tight ends and patch work offensive lines for a number of years. same with peyton; both of them have been ridiculously consistent and made their surrounding talent look great.
eli was off on a number of his throws last night and you can point your finger at the receivers for miscommunications all you want, but you rarely see that with the top flight QBs
the over-rating of eli on this site is ridiculous.
Quote:
was part of the problem last night. his accuracy was inconsistent.
whereas elite quarterbacks like peyton brady and luck can overcome talent deficinecies surrounding them with their smarts, leadership and athleticism respectively, eli needs a solid running game and pass protection to be at his best.
again - he was not helped by all the drops and lack of running game, but he was far from perfect.
Then you would agree that luck wasn't particularly good last night as well? Two dropped INTs. Really low passing percentage. Clearly affected by the rush.
But you won't hear the talking heads talk about that though, right?
Luck had a rough night, but he was able to drive the ball down the field more consistently than eli
I would argue that Eli doesn't get enough credit from so-called fans. The best QB in NYG history, you will miss him when he's gone.
Quote:
Luck, Peyton, & Brady overcome?
brady has had no name or rookie wide receivers, running backs, tight ends and patch work offensive lines for a number of years. same with peyton; both of them have been ridiculously consistent and made their surrounding talent look great.
eli was off on a number of his throws last night and you can point your finger at the receivers for miscommunications all you want, but you rarely see that with the top flight QBs
the over-rating of eli on this site is ridiculous.
Peyton had no talent to work with in his career? Holy fucking good god. Brady has thrown to welker, moss, grinkowski. A guy like vereen would be Eli's best friend. So would edelman.
You're way out of your league.... step away.
Quote:
In comment 11957311 Les in TO said:
Quote:
was part of the problem last night. his accuracy was inconsistent.
whereas elite quarterbacks like peyton brady and luck can overcome talent deficinecies surrounding them with their smarts, leadership and athleticism respectively, eli needs a solid running game and pass protection to be at his best.
again - he was not helped by all the drops and lack of running game, but he was far from perfect.
Then you would agree that luck wasn't particularly good last night as well? Two dropped INTs. Really low passing percentage. Clearly affected by the rush.
But you won't hear the talking heads talk about that though, right?
Luck had a rough night, but he was able to drive the ball down the field more consistently than eli
Do you think luck had more success driving down because his wrs didn't drop balls and out defenders dropped 2 INTs.
If we catch those INTS lucks night goes from great to pretty shitty. Amazing. Huh?
silverfox : 8:26 am : link : reply
...although he'll never admit it publicly...is that he will never get back to the big game with this organization. I think he knows that deep down. His body language is almost unwatchable now...this once 2x SB MVP reduced to just shaking his head and going through the motions is perhaps the hardest thing to watch at this point.
I see it too....We will never know, if Eli was all in on Having McAdoo as OC, and we will never know if he really wants his mechanics changed, after all these years....
He has gone from one of the most accurate long passers, to a short passing game which I don't feel he is really comfortable with.....he has never been know for his accuracy in the short passing game, and also putting touch on short passes....yes there were drops last night, but there were also a lot of high throws that were his fault.....
8 games into the season, I expected this offense to gel better by now....the loss of Richburg, makes this offense take another step backwards, and certainly will not enhance Eli's confidence in his OL.....
Quote:
In comment 11957320 dep026 said:
Quote:
In comment 11957311 Les in TO said:
Quote:
was part of the problem last night. his accuracy was inconsistent.
whereas elite quarterbacks like peyton brady and luck can overcome talent deficinecies surrounding them with their smarts, leadership and athleticism respectively, eli needs a solid running game and pass protection to be at his best.
again - he was not helped by all the drops and lack of running game, but he was far from perfect.
Then you would agree that luck wasn't particularly good last night as well? Two dropped INTs. Really low passing percentage. Clearly affected by the rush.
But you won't hear the talking heads talk about that though, right?
Luck had a rough night, but he was able to drive the ball down the field more consistently than eli
Do you think luck had more success driving down because his wrs didn't drop balls and out defenders dropped 2 INTs.
If we catch those INTS lucks night goes from great to pretty shitty. Amazing. Huh?
and if asante samuel holds on to the INT in Super Bowl 42 and kevin williams gets out of the way of the weatherford punt, Eli has Zero Super Bowls.
Luck had a much better touch on his throws, eli was throwing fastballs on certain passes when a well placed offspeed throw would have been more appropriate. some of the drops were his receiver's fault, but he gets some of the blame too.
Quote:
Luck, Peyton, & Brady overcome?
brady has had no name or rookie wide receivers, running backs, tight ends and patch work offensive lines for a number of years. same with peyton; both of them have been ridiculously consistent and made their surrounding talent look great.
eli was off on a number of his throws last night and you can point your finger at the receivers for miscommunications all you want, but you rarely see that with the top flight QBs
the over-rating of eli on this site is ridiculous.
Just stop talking.
but he has his limitations both athletically and in his decision making. he's not irreplacable and his value needs to be looked at very carefully.
and if asante samuel holds on to the INT in Super Bowl 42 and kevin williams gets out of the way of the weatherford punt, Eli has Zero Super Bowls.
Luck had a much better touch on his throws, eli was throwing fastballs on certain passes when a well placed offspeed throw would have been more appropriate. some of the drops were his receiver's fault, but he gets some of the blame too.
Forget holds on. He has to make the catch And then get both feet in. Ironically, people talk about that play but Tyree ran his route shorter which got Eli mad.
But consider this, Eli probably has no confidence. It's the OL or the skill players or a shit show with both. I am sure that's soul crushing playing and being surrounded by that talent. Guys can't run block. Guys can't catch, hold on to the ball when and if caught. They don't run the right routes. I am sure after a while that just crushes you.
It's almost a why do I bother situation or mentality. There is no safety blanket. Every QB has that outlet guy. Romo has Witten and certain QBs have that guy. Mr. Reliable. Steve Smith was that guy for us. Who is that guy now? That guy that says, don't worry ELi, I am where I should be and I will make that catch. No worries. Who is that guy?
So sure Eli isn't perfect, but it's gotta be so hard coming to work when you're surrounded by weak talent.
And we are worried about Eli. Some things never change. I mean its really pathetic that we have to belittle Pyeton's weapons in his career to belittle Eli.
Eli would be in the HOF already if he had Harrison, Wayne, Clark, Edge James, Demaryius Thomas, Wes Welker, Eric Decker, Emmanuel Sanders, Julius Thomas, etc....
Quote:
was part of the problem last night. his accuracy was inconsistent.
whereas elite quarterbacks like peyton brady and luck can overcome talent deficinecies surrounding them with their smarts, leadership and athleticism respectively, eli needs a solid running game and pass protection to be at his best.
again - he was not helped by all the drops and lack of running game, but he was far from perfect.
Then you would agree that luck wasn't particularly good last night as well? Two dropped INTs. Really low passing percentage. Clearly affected by the rush.
But you won't hear the talking heads talk about that though, right?
Exactly
And if you think Eli not being perfect was part of the problem last night, just pick another sport. Please.
At the same time Eli was part of the problem last night. he was not accurate early when it was still a game.
BBI seems to think any ball that hits any point of a finger is a drop.
Damn, you know things are going bad when people are analyzing Eli's body language again.
At the same time Eli was part of the problem last night. he was not accurate early when it was still a game.
BBI seems to think any ball that hits any point of a finger is a drop.
Part of the problem is that our WRs dont make plays. You see the play Hilton make? Not only was it a TD, but it also prevented an INT. Who on our team can do that consistently? Reggie Wayne is catching balls off the dirt. RR not only cant get separation but at the slightest contact he falls off balance and flails his arms on a fade pattern.
ODB seems to have the goods but still has only played 4 games. But in all honesty, how many teams can Randle, Parker, Hillis, Williams, Fells play for and get a lot of snaps? Donnell is ok and is doing better than what I thought.... but we have NO playmakers. Like Anish said, who can Eli just throw the ball too when every one else is cover and say, make a play.
I agree with all of it.
was just saying I didn't think ELi was sharp when he needed to be early.
If he plays his A game in the first half I think we have 13 points and its a ball game.
it doesn't remove the fact this year is a waste- the play calling a joke, and the talent level poor.
I am rooting for stats. I don't think this team is good. I want ELi to get into the HOF, so in order to do that needs his numbers. Let's be honest we aren't going to win a SB anytime soon with this talent.
I loved garage time. Pad the ever living shit out of his stats. I was mad Williams got a TD. We threw all the way there to have him run. I was pissed. I wanted us to throw for a TD. 3 Tds would have been good.
Quote:
People have been so stats driven on this site. Now he's got the stats, but it's not translating to wins, and it's still on him. Too funny.
I am rooting for stats. I don't think this team is good. I want ELi to get into the HOF, so in order to do that needs his numbers. Let's be honest we aren't going to win a SB anytime soon with this talent.
I loved garage time. Pad the ever living shit out of his stats. I was mad Williams got a TD. We threw all the way there to have him run. I was pissed. I wanted us to throw for a TD. 3 Tds would have been good.
Agreed.
I agree with all of it.
was just saying I didn't think ELi was sharp when he needed to be early.
If he plays his A game in the first half I think we have 13 points and its a ball game.
it doesn't remove the fact this year is a waste- the play calling a joke, and the talent level poor.
Oh ok. I agree with you then. He did miss a few throws early.
I'm not sold on McAdoo yet. He's done a good job getting Eli's mechanics on track, but he was a QB coach. I understand that he is dealing with a subpar OL and WR crew, but I just don't see the creativity in formations and passing schemes that other teams have.
You have subpar WR's? How about designing some bunch formations or use more motion to help them shed DB's?
I don't think we have the talent to do that. I would love to see 2 TE but we lack those too, lol. So then what? I just think we are very limited and the offensive coaches know this.
I'd love to be in the offensive coaches meeting and hear what they really think. They know what they can do and what they can't do.
And if you think Eli not being perfect was part of the problem last night, just pick another sport. Please.
peyton's had some weak offensive lines during his time in indy and knowshown moreno is not actactly a world beater, but he's been remarkably consistent but he always gets the ball out quickly, accurately and to the right receiver. i can't say the same about eli.
if eli has inexperienced guys around him it's on him as the leader of the offense to put in the extra time to make sure they are all aligned and to put in the extra time with someone else to be that safety blanket.
Quote:
You're way, way off on this thread. The idea that Peyton Manning has been surrounded by no-name talent over his career will be one of the most patently false posts on BBI today.
And if you think Eli not being perfect was part of the problem last night, just pick another sport. Please.
peyton's had some weak offensive lines during his time in indy and knowshown moreno is not actactly a world beater, but he's been remarkably consistent but he always gets the ball out quickly, accurately and to the right receiver. i can't say the same about eli.
if eli has inexperienced guys around him it's on him as the leader of the offense to put in the extra time to make sure they are all aligned and to put in the extra time with someone else to be that safety blanket.
LOL, now he is questioning Eli's work ethic as if he is there every day at practice seeing what Eli is doing.
But dep026 I read earlier that Peyton has never had any talent around him? Man I'm so confused....LOL
whereas elite quarterbacks like peyton brady and luck can overcome talent deficinecies surrounding them with their smarts, leadership and athleticism respectively, eli needs a solid running game and pass protection to be at his best.
again - he was not helped by all the drops and lack of running game, but he was far from perfect.
This is legitimately one of those times when the best case of action for a poster is to just admit to saying something stupid and move along.
whereas elite quarterbacks like peyton brady and luck can overcome talent deficinecies surrounding them with their smarts, leadership and athleticism respectively, eli needs a solid running game and pass protection to be at his best.
again - he was not helped by all the drops and lack of running game, but he was far from perfect.
Don't you dare to criticize Eli! Instead of owning up to the fact that Eli made his share of mistakes, posters will lambaste you for things you didn't say e.g. "If you think Eli was the reason we lost, yada, yada, yada" even though you never said that. There were loads of problems and Eli was the least of them, but that doesn't mean that he didn't contribute. If everyone else did their jobs, Eli was plenty good enough to win. I love the guy and I'm glad he's our QB. No QB is perfect and that goes for Eli ... there, I said it! But there's no way he could have played well enough to salvage that shit show. There's no supporting cast for an imperfect but very good QB.
Quote:
Luck, Peyton, & Brady overcome?
brady has had no name or rookie wide receivers, running backs, tight ends and patch work offensive lines for a number of years. same with peyton; both of them have been ridiculously consistent and made their surrounding talent look great.
eli was off on a number of his throws last night and you can point your finger at the receivers for miscommunications all you want, but you rarely see that with the top flight QBs
the over-rating of eli on this site is ridiculous.
He has an All Pro TE and underrated WR's like Edleman. The OL is also solid.
Pure difference.
And their defense isn't absolute ass.