Eli's prime time goes down the drain - Article

I thought it would be hard pressed to find a poster as clueless as JOMO and Bossman.... but Les in TO has put up an award winning performance. Out of nowhere as the longest shot of the board as the least informed BBI poster of 2014.

Well done Les. You really earned it in this thread.

In comment 11958595 River Mike said:

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In comment 11958067 Exit 172 said: Quote: In comment 11957708 River Mike said: Quote: Don't you dare to criticize Eli! Instead of owning up to the fact that Eli made his share of mistakes, posters will lambaste you for things you didn't say e.g. "If you think Eli was the reason we lost, yada, yada, yada" even though you never said that. Please try to read more carefully: Eli Les in TO : 8:36 am : link was part of the problem last night...he was far from perfect. Les in TO - Exit 172 : 9:14 am : link if you think Eli not being perfect was part of the problem last night, just pick another sport. This calls for a "Wow, just wow". "part of the problem" does not equal "was the reason we lost" When that has to be explained, its time to depart. Bye.

So then why did you change my words?

In comment 11959085 dep026 said:

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I thought it would be hard pressed to find a poster as clueless as JOMO and Bossman.... but Les in TO has put up an award winning performance. Out of nowhere as the longest shot of the board as the least informed BBI poster of 2014. Well done Les. You really earned it in this thread.

And you are a homer Eli apologist of epic proportions

And an ahole to boot

At least glorydayz can debate logically and reasonably

In comment 11958925 drkenneth said:

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I think all anyone is looking for is not crucify Eli for every incompletion. People also act like Peyton and Brady have no talent around them, which is bullshit.

I'm not crucifying him for every incompletion

I said he is PART of the problem not THE problem

Can any poster have an opinion other than Eli walks on water ...without you going into personal vitrolics?

Just answer the question.

For i have never seen any thread on Eli that you allowed room or space for a range of opinion. Well i did. Before i remember seeing dep as a poster name.


Dont assume a question of your personal dimunition of the site means i am not an Eli advocate. I am just curious if you are aware of your lack of contribution on this topic to the site at large?

In comment 11959177 Bill2 said:

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Can any poster have an opinion other than Eli walks on water ...without you going into personal vitrolics? Just answer the question. For i have never seen any thread on Eli that you allowed room or space for a range of opinion. Well i did. Before i remember seeing dep as a poster name. I'm glad to see this isn't dep's first Eli-rage. I won't take it personally then especially as I don't know who bossman and Jomo are Dont assume a question of your personal dimunition of the site means i am not an Eli advocate. I am just curious if you are aware of your lack of contribution on this topic to the site at large?

In comment 11959177 Bill2 said:

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Can any poster have an opinion other than Eli walks on water ...without you going into personal vitrolics? Just answer the question. For i have never seen any thread on Eli that you allowed room or space for a range of opinion. Well i did. Before i remember seeing dep as a poster name. Dont assume a question of your personal dimunition of the site means i am not an Eli advocate. I am just curious if you are aware of your lack of contribution on this topic to the site at large?

I am going to be honest with you. Your posts are very few and far between and I guess you are a respected poster, which I literally give two shits about. You are by far the biggest asshole I ever saw on this site. I am just being honest. Yo ucan come across and attack me and call me out and I literally could give a flying rats ass. I dont care for your opinion, respect, and literally dont want to hear it. So if you want an answer to your asinine question.... I will call Les a moron as soon as he said Peyton Manning had no talent to work with in hsi career. And say Eli hd as many bad playoff games as good ones. And I am just telling you it straight as it is.

I can go back and pat myself on the back and tell you everything I have nailed the last two years about Eli and the team, but I would be going into your self-absorbed zone that I dont want to visit. I am pretty sure when it comes to the QB position, a conversation with you will go as far as about a minute because if you speak as clearly as you write, it would be too nauseating.

Since here's some "friendly" advice. Dont bother me. I think your contribution to this site is worthless and meaningless. All high and mighty people bore me. So please dont address me or even respond, because Ill probably yawn throughout the whole thing.

Have a nice day.

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In comment 11957342 Les in TO said:

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In comment 11957324 drkenneth said: Quote: Luck, Peyton, & Brady overcome? brady has had no name or rookie wide receivers, running backs, tight ends and patch work offensive lines for a number of years. same with peyton; both of them have been ridiculously consistent and made their surrounding talent look great. eli was off on a number of his throws last night and you can point your finger at the receivers for miscommunications all you want, but you rarely see that with the top flight QBs the over-rating of eli on this site is ridiculous.

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whereas elite quarterbacks like peyton brady and luck can overcome talent deficinecies surrounding them with their smarts, leadership and athleticism respectively, eli needs a solid running game and pass protection to be at his best.

I suggest you read these two posts bill2 before ever acknowledging me again. Thank you.

The question was not about you as a person. Nor about me. The question was are you AWARE you attack posters personaly...and seek out doing so for posting different opinions than you have about Eli?

Your destructive and personally abusive behavior...which many many others have pointed out is the only focus.

Prove you are not below average as a person, thinker, football analyst and poster by answering the question...or changing the destruction of discussion on a discussion site.

You...you... are the subject baby girl.

And in case you dont know it...you cant win on this topic...only look degrees of worse. So take a deep breadth. I suspect you cant find a way without entertaining us

Luck is probably the best QB in all of football. That dude is so good it's scary. Wasn't even great last night and still hung 40. I'd kill to have him for the next 10-15 years.

In comment 11959221 djm said:

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Luck is probably the best QB in all of football. That dude is so good it's scary. Wasn't even great last night and still hung 40. I'd kill to have him for the next 10-15 years.

I dont think the argument of who is better. I think Luck is clearly better. Probably in the 4 range right now behind Peyton, Brady, and Rodgers.

I think the argument is how Les belittles Eli by buidling up other QBs by making up straight up nonsense. Saying Eli isnt smart, doesnt have leadership, doesnt play with fire. Saying Eli and Brady never played with talent. I also believe he said Eli has as many bad playoff games as he does good ones.

Despite what bill said.... I have no problem discussing Eli with people as I do often on this site. But when people are straight ignorant or trolling to get their voice heard.... it gets boring. I mean after watching last night's game.... isnt it sad that the player we are still talking about the most is Eli? My god, like last year, he is the least of our worries.

So what? A guy had an opinion on a website. Its football so there are tons of discussions and too many variables to make clear clean comparisons.

Its not those two posts or this thread...its tons of posters and threads about Eli. What are you going to do when he retires?

Lifes short. I am asking why the topic is so personal and important to you?

I dont actually care....but you might

Actually i liked the post at 754. Thats pretty reasonable

Its a post i agree with

In comment 11959227 dep026 said:

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In comment 11959221 djm said: Quote: Luck is probably the best QB in all of football. That dude is so good it's scary. Wasn't even great last night and still hung 40. I'd kill to have him for the next 10-15 years. I dont think the argument of who is better. I think Luck is clearly better. Probably in the 4 range right now behind Peyton, Brady, and Rodgers. I think the argument is how Les belittles Eli by buidling up other QBs by making up straight up nonsense. Saying Eli isnt smart, doesnt have leadership, doesnt play with fire. Saying Eli and Brady never played with talent. I also believe he said Eli has as many bad playoff games as he does good ones. Despite what bill said.... I have no problem discussing Eli with people as I do often on this site. But when people are straight ignorant or trolling to get their voice heard.... it gets boring. I mean after watching last night's game.... isnt it sad that the player we are still talking about the most is Eli? My god, like last year, he is the least of our worries.

you have some anger management issues

My point is that life will go on after Eli retires and he's not irreplaceable unlike the truly elite QBs. The article Anish posted insinuated that he is elite and it is a shame that he is stuck on such a crappy team during his prime years. He is an above average QB who can be clutch with the game on the line but he's inconsistent on top of the playoff embarrassments there was also the Green Bay loss in 2010 the Matt Moore debacle at the last Giants stadium game and the Atlanta and Baltimore comical performances in 2012 in must win situations

you have an outstanding point.

I mean it took how many years for the elite Qbs from Indy and GB of Manning/Favre to be replaced.

Its so sad how you mention all the shit games Eli had yet nary a word about all the epic playoff failures Peyton has. The sad thing is that you actually think you are right.

I think Eli is a terrific franchise quarterback with a lot left in the tank.

Those are very hard to replace. Very hard. GM and coach graveyards are littered with that fact.

Saying he is not Peyton or Brady is comparing him to possibly the two greatest Qbs in one hundred years of football.

Its like picking on Derrick Brooks because he was not Lt. Or walter payton because he was not as fast as Jim Brown. Once you get to some lofty level...its time to appreciate more than dwell on the relatively micro shortcomings.

that all said, i do not yet know if a lot in a WCO plays to Eli's strengths and makes his short throw precision glare more than needed.

I half suspect Eli is being asked to play in a easier offense if you are year 2 of a 4 year OL rebuild. Its not quite "fair"

Sort of like Dimaggio in Yankee stadium ( they did not call his power alleys Death Valley in the old Stadium for nothing) and Ted Williams having to hit Yawkee instead of the left porch at 290 feet in Yankee Stadium. Both played in places and times which did not allow their highest and best strength to show.

I think that may be what we look back and say when Eli hangs them up.

In comment 11959269 dep026 said:

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you have an outstanding point. I mean it took how many years for the elite Qbs from Indy and GB of Manning/Favre to be replaced. Its so sad how you mention all the shit games Eli had yet nary a word about all the epic playoff failures Peyton has. The sad thing is that you actually think you are right.

Peyton has been in the playoffs almost every year since he's been in the NFL

Eli has not led the Giants to the playoffs in 4 of the past 5 years tracking 5 of the last 6 based on this year. Eli may be the better QB in the clutch but Peyton gets to the clutch far more often

Its only up to Eli to lead them into the playoffs. But you're right Peyton has zero talent to work with and he carried them to the playoffs every year.

And why are you comparing Eli to Peyton. We all know that Eli isnt as good as him or Brady. Neither are 99.9% of the QBs whoever played in this league. You keep hammering this point as if its a knock on Eli.

And guess what. It took the Colts all of ONE year to replace Peyton. Maybe he isnt as elite as we all think accoridng to you?

In comment 11959279 Bill2 said:

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I think Eli is a terrific franchise quarterback with a lot left in the tank. Those are very hard to replace. Very hard. GM and coach graveyards are littered with that fact. Saying he is not Peyton or Brady is comparing him to possibly the two greatest Qbs in one hundred years of football. Its like picking on Derrick Brooks because he was not Lt. Or walter payton because he was not as fast as Jim Brown. Once you get to some lofty level...its time to appreciate more than dwell on the relatively micro shortcomings. that all said, i do not yet know if a lot in a WCO plays to Eli's strengths and makes his short throw precision glare more than needed. I half suspect Eli is being asked to play in a easier offense if you are year 2 of a 4 year OL rebuild. Its not quite "fair" Sort of like Dimaggio in Yankee stadium ( they did not call his power alleys Death Valley in the old Stadium for nothing) and Ted Williams having to hit Yawkee instead of the left porch at 290 feet in Yankee Stadium. Both played in places and times which did not allow their highest and best strength to show. I think that may be what we look back and say when Eli hangs them up.

See dep that is a class post from a class guy You should take notes

I respectfullydisagree with terrific and would replace it with very good with propensity for terrific moments But I respect the opinion and reasons and it was done in a logical and respectful tone not sarcastic and bitter

In comment 11959294 Les in TO said:

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In comment 11959279 Bill2 said: Quote: I think Eli is a terrific franchise quarterback with a lot left in the tank. Those are very hard to replace. Very hard. GM and coach graveyards are littered with that fact. Saying he is not Peyton or Brady is comparing him to possibly the two greatest Qbs in one hundred years of football. Its like picking on Derrick Brooks because he was not Lt. Or walter payton because he was not as fast as Jim Brown. Once you get to some lofty level...its time to appreciate more than dwell on the relatively micro shortcomings. that all said, i do not yet know if a lot in a WCO plays to Eli's strengths and makes his short throw precision glare more than needed. I half suspect Eli is being asked to play in a easier offense if you are year 2 of a 4 year OL rebuild. Its not quite "fair" Sort of like Dimaggio in Yankee stadium ( they did not call his power alleys Death Valley in the old Stadium for nothing) and Ted Williams having to hit Yawkee instead of the left porch at 290 feet in Yankee Stadium. Both played in places and times which did not allow their highest and best strength to show. I think that may be what we look back and say when Eli hangs them up. See dep that is a class post from a class guy You should take notes I respectfullydisagree with terrific and would replace it with very good with propensity for terrific moments But I respect the opinion and reasons and it was done in a logical and respectful tone not sarcastic and bitter

Again, if I gave a rats ass what people thought of me maybe I would respect your asinine and ridiculous opinions. But since I dont. Ill just be me and be quite happy.

But if you wanna go ask him out on a date now, you can fill us on the details later.

In comment 11959292 dep026 said:

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Its only up to Eli to lead them into the playoffs. But you're right Peyton has zero talent to work with and he carried them to the playoffs every year. And why are you comparing Eli to Peyton. We all know that Eli isnt as good as him or Brady. Neither are 99.9% of the QBs whoever played in this league. You keep hammering this point as if its a knock on Eli. And guess what. It took the Colts all of ONE year to replace Peyton. Maybe he isnt as elite as we all think accoridng to you?

QB is the most important position on the team by far. A great QB can cover up deficiencies in line or skill position talent so yeah his lack of playoff appearances is partially on him

I keep comparing him to Peyton because you keep on making the points in your reply

The Colts lucked out no pun intended. Favre Rogers and Montsna Young are the only times I can recall such a transition of great QBs

This time in Giants history and perhaps the WCO may not a showcase for what Eli does naturally very well.

Imho...one of the things Eli does at an elite level....a Montana Brady level is bring calm presence and confidence to his teammates in tough tight important games. Witness his performance against SF for the NFC championship. To your point Les....regardless of wether we disagree that he is a terrific franchise QB or a very good one...i think we agree that his top moments are as elite as any over the last decade.

In comment 11959303 dep026 said:

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In comment 11959294 Les in TO said: Quote: In comment 11959279 Bill2 said: Quote: I think Eli is a terrific franchise quarterback with a lot left in the tank. Those are very hard to replace. Very hard. GM and coach graveyards are littered with that fact. Saying he is not Peyton or Brady is comparing him to possibly the two greatest Qbs in one hundred years of football. Its like picking on Derrick Brooks because he was not Lt. Or walter payton because he was not as fast as Jim Brown. Once you get to some lofty level...its time to appreciate more than dwell on the relatively micro shortcomings. that all said, i do not yet know if a lot in a WCO plays to Eli's strengths and makes his short throw precision glare more than needed. I half suspect Eli is being asked to play in a easier offense if you are year 2 of a 4 year OL rebuild. Its not quite "fair" Sort of like Dimaggio in Yankee stadium ( they did not call his power alleys Death Valley in the old Stadium for nothing) and Ted Williams having to hit Yawkee instead of the left porch at 290 feet in Yankee Stadium. Both played in places and times which did not allow their highest and best strength to show. I think that may be what we look back and say when Eli hangs them up. See dep that is a class post from a class guy You should take notes I respectfullydisagree with terrific and would replace it with very good with propensity for terrific moments But I respect the opinion and reasons and it was done in a logical and respectful tone not sarcastic and bitter Again, if I gave a rats ass what people thought of me maybe I would respect your asinine and ridiculous opinions. But since I dont. Ill just be me and be quite happy. But if you wanna go ask him out on a date now, you can fill us on the details later.

If you are happy being an angry sarcastic jerk then all the power to you but I suspect you are not truly happy at all based on the rage in your posts. I'm done wasting any precious further time with you

In comment 11959305 Les in TO said:

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In comment 11959292 dep026 said: Quote: Its only up to Eli to lead them into the playoffs. But you're right Peyton has zero talent to work with and he carried them to the playoffs every year. And why are you comparing Eli to Peyton. We all know that Eli isnt as good as him or Brady. Neither are 99.9% of the QBs whoever played in this league. You keep hammering this point as if its a knock on Eli. And guess what. It took the Colts all of ONE year to replace Peyton. Maybe he isnt as elite as we all think accoridng to you? QB is the most important position on the team by far. A great QB can cover up deficiencies in line or skill position talent so yeah his lack of playoff appearances is partially on him I keep comparing him to Peyton because you keep on making the points in your reply The Colts lucked out no pun intended. Favre Rogers and Montsna Young are the only times I can recall such a transition of great QBs

Read your first point of the thread. You brought up Brady ans Peyton won with no talent for absolutely no reason. I never meant someone who is so obviously wrong, and just wont admit it.

And I just want you to realize this.

In 2011, we had the worst OLine, rushing attack, and the 27 ranked defense in the NFL. How did we do that year. Go do some research, then go to bed, and bow out from thsi thread. You are out of your league.

In comment 11959314 Bill2 said:

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This time in Giants history and perhaps the WCO may not a showcase for what Eli does naturally very well. Imho...one of the things Eli does at an elite level....a Montana Brady level is bring calm presence and confidence to his teammates in tough tight important games. Witness his performance against SF for the NFC championship. To your point Les....regardless of wether we disagree that he is a terrific franchise QB or a very good one...i think we agree that his top moments are as elite as any over the last decade.

Agree on that

quite a happy person thank you. I have a beautiful wife, a 4 month old daughter, work is great, I started up coaching. I couldnt be better. But thanks for asking.