great listen on joe and evan. talking about how some drafted players in the locker room have no fear of being cut, and have little interest in contributing. saying how it handcuffs locker room leadership.
mentions specifically - brewer, hostly, robinson
ERW - eat ride warmup is what banks calls it. he has talked about it before, but it is very interesting. saying giants don't draft terribly they just hang on to draft picks too long, etc.
it will be available as a podcast later.
banks is always a great listen
But as a radio guy, I don't like Carl at all. He talks in platitudes, never really saying too much. And he never calls out the coaches. This past week he was going on about the guys on the practice squad at the end of the Colts game. But he was really picking up on something said by Howard Cross. Cross was talking about how Chad Bratzke came up to the team from the PS and how NYG should jettison the guys they have there and bring in some new challengers.
Anyway, its pretty clear there are personnel problems. But going after the PS guys is kind of silly because how many teams have great talent on the PS? Its sort of the nature of the PS that you have guys that aren't terrific - otherwise they'd be with the big team on Sunday.
I'd just like for Banks to get after the coaches once in a while. He always bags on the players, which is like shooting fish in a barrel. Why not talk about the coaches Carl?
Take out taxes, his agent's fee and assorted other stuff, and that isn't much at all.
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I have heard him go after coaches. not so much TC, but quinn for sure. He has criticized Fewell often (last week this team doesn't know how to blitz). He has been critical of gilbride in the past as well.
I have not heard him go after TC, tho.
Look at these guys that make the team year after year, but never dress. there is a disconnect
But I would be surprised if he did not have some real inside knowledge regarding the workings of this team - in the locker room, on the practice field, game time, and after the game too. One could argue his broadcasting abilities, whatever.
I take his comments as pretty close to the truth. In my view, the reasonable assumption, I believe, is that he is pretty much on the mark in regards to his comments on how the team functions.
The more I think about it, the more I tend to agree - I'll always be a loyal Coughlin fan, but I'm sitting here thinking...Parcells wouldn't stand for shit like this, he used to threaten to cut guys regularly
Trouble is, in the salary cap age, it's not as easy as it used to be to just cut guys when you can't spend much to replace them
Lewis said the Giants were playing "Book Coverage" they went to their zones by the book, but weren't looking around for anyone to cover. I'm not a fan of Lewis, but I thought he was spot on. Too many times we saw LB's or DB's dropping back and letting guys roam free. Herzlich has been guilty of that on too many occasions.
Hosley is only here bc the position was devastated by injuries so he's a better option than most guys off the street.
I don't think it's fair for him to put Robinson into that category though. Sure he's been frustrating as a 3rd round pick who has done little to date but I wouldn't question his effort and desire to succeed. He just doesn't appear to have the mental capacity to "put it all together". He was the 3rd best TE this preseason and thus is the 3rd TE. He's played ok on special teams. Is he a disappointment? ABSOLUTELY but it's not like he didn't earn a spot on the roster this preseason.
I'm not saying what Carl says is wrong but it's a peripheral problem that ignores the core flaws of the Giants.
Anyone that's played high school football remembers there were always kids on the team that were along for the ride and the varsity jacket (like Brewer). Sure, they suck and are an embarrassment but they don't affect locker room leadership or culture. You simply ignore those guys. Carl is just blowing a lot of hot air, as he often does, even if eloquently.
More importantly, the Giants have been historically a player friendly organization, keeping guys too long(DD eg., even Will the Thrill) to the detriment of the team success.
Once a Giant.... has its cost.
Immediately cutting a Charles James(I'm not promoting CJ) but keeping a Brewer is borderline lunacy.
Fear can be great motivation.
He is not collecting that money. He's on practice squad. That means around $100K.
that was 1990
For those blasting FatMan, you are missing the point. Yes, the money in question is a lot for most people. But, it also may be all the money this guy ever sees from football. After that, he is on his own. Sure, he has a great start, but after a few years could be left with no viable option to make that much money over the next 5 years, let alone a single year.
That was 1990 you dope!
I'm not defending it or justifying the logic but just pointing out that there is a reason guys like Brewer hang around rather than signing veterans as backups.
as to money. true that mid round picks are cheaper than veteren backups, but UDFA are cheaper than that. also the new model where veteran minimums count less then then cash value against the cap has mitigated that to some degree.
Well if UDFAs are a better options than a draft pick, that's an indictment of those picking the players, not the player themselves.
By the way although Parcells didn't cut Lionel Manuel until 1990, he did get rid of starting receiver Bobby Johnson shortly after they won the SB in '87...
But as a radio guy, I don't like Carl at all. He talks in platitudes, never really saying too much. And he never calls out the coaches. This past week he was going on about the guys on the practice squad at the end of the Colts game. But he was really picking up on something said by Howard Cross. Cross was talking about how Chad Bratzke came up to the team from the PS and how NYG should jettison the guys they have there and bring in some new challengers.
Anyway, its pretty clear there are personnel problems. But going after the PS guys is kind of silly because how many teams have great talent on the PS? Its sort of the nature of the PS that you have guys that aren't terrific - otherwise they'd be with the big team on Sunday.
I'd just like for Banks to get after the coaches once in a while. He always bags on the players, which is like shooting fish in a barrel. Why not talk about the coaches Carl?
Banks calls them out as much as he is allowed since he works for the team
I don't think it's fair for him to put Robinson into that category though. Sure he's been frustrating as a 3rd round pick who has done little to date but I wouldn't question his effort and desire to succeed. He just doesn't appear to have the mental capacity to "put it all together". He was the 3rd best TE this preseason and thus is the 3rd TE. He's played ok on special teams. Is he a disappointment? ABSOLUTELY but it's not like he didn't earn a spot on the roster this preseason.
Robinson was a 4th round pick. Not sure why the 3rd round thing gets repeated so often on BBI. I think it happens because Robinson is one of the current faces of the unproductive mid-round draft pick who's killing the team in BBI's mind. Individually, he is not the problem. Collectively the lack of contributions has been
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not given the talent level overall and at those specific positions.
This has happened because the injuries and the outright failure of so many other draft picks leaves these guys as the most talented in a very shallow talent pool. You can't cut guys you can't replace.
start off life with no college debt and a million or 2 in the bank. i can think of a lot of people who would sign for that
Less state and fed taxes at 45% and his agent's fee (10%?)
230K ain't chump change but he won't be making that forever. If he's smart he'll realize that and sock some of it away. Sadly, most ball players don't and wind up quite broke shortly after retiring.
I don't know what qualifications Herman has but most of these guys have less of a future after football than you might imagine. The one's who actually graduate usually have hollow degrees that aren't worth the paper they are printed on.
A fair number of them also retire with a stunted emotional development due to the fact that they have been on a fan, coach and alumni created pedestal since early high school. Responsibility doesn't seem to be high on their list of personal attributes.
Agreed, wholeheartedly.
Please post a link to the podcast when it is available.
Now they are struggling on O, Lynch is possibly having a character issue and they still are weak at WR.
People act as if Seattle has been a juggernaut for years simply based on last year's SB title.
They have a lot of warts and have made some questionable personnel decisions, even with the extra $$ they have from Wilson's contract.
Seattle fans are mostly to blame for this. They consistently overrate their team.
You think there's a guy we let go in Aug that McAdoo, Fewell or Quinn really wanted?
This is Coughin's roster as much as it's Jerry's. They all work together.
I'm not really seeing why it's inexplicable that they have guys like Hosley, Robinson, and Brewer as depth. Yes, those guys suck (and they would anywhere they played, no matter how hard they tried; it's not about effort, no matter how easy it is for people, including Banks, to cling to that cliché), but doesn't it kind of make sense that a team that can't field quality starters has poor back-ups too?
IMO, they are looking too closely at measureables and/or the program the player comes from. Instead, they need to figure out how to get FOOTBALL PLAYERS with heart on this team. Guys who may not blow you away at the combine, but are heads up football players who do not need a coach to tell them, or remind them what their job is.
The league is full of guys who have that "IT" factor and we need to find them. Belichik has done a good job with this. We know Parcells did. Obviously the Seahawks did too. If you don't fit the profile, then you are OUT....period.
Cruz is a perfect example of what I am talking about. I think OBJ does too... at least it seems like it just a couple of games in.
I would rather we dump a first round draft pick if that guy is going to come in here and play like the world owes him something.
Antrel Rolle does not always make the play, but that guy gives us everything in every game. Give me a roster full like him and we wont lose.
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WFAN did not upload it.
Unknown reasons as to why. They did so for their other interviews that day. Cynic in me believes the Giants may have been listening and put that the squash on that.