In 2009 he spent a 2nd rd pick on LT Beatty , coaches groomed him and in 2012 was excellent. Sadly he regressed in 2013 , not Reese's fault
In 2013 he spent a 1st rd pick on RT Pugh , and he wasn't my favorite pick. But in 2013 he played very well , this year he has regressed.
In 2014 he spent a 2nd rd pick on Guard Weston Richburg, which I thought was an excellent pick. He has had some good games , and some not good ones. He's a rookie.
So sadly he hasn't drafted any pro bowl tackles in his drafts but it isn't like he's completely left it barren either. I think he's drafted some excellent players , but injuries , which you can't foresee have derailed some of our draft picks.
I think some of these players need to start playing better , they have the talent.
But...
they suck
2005 and 2006 either. Adam Koets in 2007.
2006 Whimper
2007 Koets
2008 zip
2009 Beatty
2010 Petrus 5th
2011 Brewer 4th
2012 Mosley 4th, McCants 6th
2013 Pugh 1st, Herman 7th
2014 Richburg 2nd
Since 2006, you now have 3 starters from your draft with a total of 6 full seasons.....it has been neglected.....the last two picks were out of necessity, because we had no one to play the position....and on top of that, one guy is playing guard, instead of center, which supposedly is his best position....
2005 and 2006 either. Adam Koets in 2007.
This, and what you said in your first post. Koets did tear his ACL IIRC, so I'm not sure I'd bury Reese for that pick, especially since the rest of the 2007 draft was so good.
Pugh concerns me the most right now. His play has been poor, except for some good outings against low quality opponents. Perhaps it's that he's injured, and that Jerry has also been bad. But I was hoping for better.
As far as "neglecting" the OL, people need to understand that trying and failing is the same as not trying. As you note, Reese has tried and basically failed, with mostly mid to low round projects. He told us that Brewer had left tackle feet. Petrus and Mosley were TEs, before switching to the OL late in their careers. McCants looked lost, although he had a good career at UAB, and is still with the Raiders. The jury is still out on Herman. Next year is critical for him, but he looked OK during the preseason. I'd bring him and Mosley to camp next year, and cut or not resign Brewer, Reynolds, Jerry, and Snyder.
It's also not just who he drafted, but who he didn't draft, namely passing on Cordy Glenn (the highest rated player on their board) for David Wilson. That meant he eventually had to overpay for Beatty. In Beatty's defense, he did look very good for a few games this year, and the real problem with the OL is with Walton and the right side of the line.
The OL also suffers because we have no receiving threats outside of Beckham, who is a rookie. So teams stack the box. Is there a team in the league with worse TEs? Robinson has done nothing. Fells is an aging veteran. Donnell has talent, but is not ready to be a #1 TE.
Drafting Randle, who Reese said was "pro ready," over Sanu was also a mistake. But then he wanted to draft Hayward-Bey over Nicks, and Jarrett over Smith. The end result is that Reese's bad decisions at WR and TE compound his bad decisions on the OL.
Eli is being wasted. I wouldn't extend Eli at the end of the season. He's under contract for one more year. Just pay him the $17M he's owed, and punt the decision until 2016. But there is no question that Reese's poor decisions are wasting the best years of a two time SB winning MVP QB. That is simply inexcusable.
There's going to be another major purge of players at the end of the year IMO.
Some guys? You mean one guy: Pugh.
1) His rookie year was overrated a tad because the rest of our line was so putrid in comparison
2) He's being counted on more as a vet this year.
3) He had to learn an entirely new offense for the second time in two years.
Everyone else on that list was not good to begin with despite all the wishing and hoping.
McCants is n his fourth year and is a spot starter and reserve for Raiders.
What do you expect in the sixth round? neither pick was amazing but both were solid, especially Koets. To be quite frank, I'm not sure Pugh is all that much better than Koets.
Richie Schubert?
If the likes of McCants is doing well in Oakland, maybe it is a little bit on the coaches for not developing these guys.
Pugh, a guy that was drafted in the 1st round, is regressing?! Is it an injury? I have seen some poor fundamentals from him too. Maybe Flaherty is not getting through to these guys. Pugh is certainly no dummy and he has skill. It's a mystery?!
Hopefully, Reese will get it right next off-season. We do need a mauler at Guard and Richburg has to develop into a top center. We also need a solid swing tackle; a guy that can step in a get the job done well enough. I don;t have confidence in Brown to be that guy.
has he done nearly enough?
no.
Do you really want to go through the disasters that the Jets are enduring because they don't have the guy?
I would draft a G in round 2 or 3 to take eventually take over for Schwartz, who has never been healthy his entire career.
And how come JPP only has one move? Don't the coaches see that on film and try and teach him new techniques?
He was GM for 7 years and took one OL in the first 3 rounds and in the Same time period 7 receivers we know where his priorities lie. Not until the OL became a shit fest did he then grab Pugh and Richberg. Pugh looks like a reach now. Not because hes a bad OL but there were probably much better players available when he was picked but the line was a mess and it was a major news pick.
Richberg solid pick but again line is still shitty.
He didn't neglect OL. He just thought he could sign FAs and hit on later picks. He was very wrong
Agree... And to make matters worse, those career ending injuries happens to different players within a short period of time. McKenzie, O'Hara, & Seubert got hurt and tailed off at pretty much the same time. Then as you pointed out a couple of years later it was Diehl, Baas & Snee. Its hard enough to have 1 back up to be able to step in and play adequately right away, let alone 2-3 guys.
And its not just the OL. At WR Giants lost Plax, a couple of years later Steve Smith, then Nicks, and now Cruz... all "young", playing at or near Pro Bowl levels, and big time contributors at the time.
At TE, Shockey (not an injury, but still lost), then Boss, then Ballard.
I dont care how good a GM is, this number of injuries to major players (specially at the same position) is hard to over come... You fill a void, think you can move to another position, and a year or 2 later you're back trying to fill I position you think was set for a few years.
Another BS post. Only Baas could be said to have ended early. Most offensive linemen rarely play well into their 30s. They got 10 years out of DD and 9 out of Snee. Both fell apart and to be surprised that guys who take a beating in the trenches start to fall apart is common sense
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... part of the reason Reese has had to scramble on the offensive line is that Diehl, Baas, and Snee's careers ended prematurely. All three should be at the tail end of their prime, not out of football.
Another BS post. Only Baas could be said to have ended early. Most offensive linemen rarely play well into their 30s. They got 10 years out of DD and 9 out of Snee. Both fell apart and to be surprised that guys who take a beating in the trenches start to fall apart is common sense
After QB's I think OL tend to have the longest careers. While they may well be past their prime, but they can still play at an effective level past 30.
Snee, similar, though his decline accelerated in the last season + half. Some OL do play into their mid- to late 30s, these guys couldn't, and it was apparent by their play on the field. Baas was another overrating of a FA, big contract, and he certainly didn't play to it; he was an average (to slightly above average at times) center, and then he went down.
Reese should have begun to address the OL in earnest after the 2011 season, he didn't, and so we have the past three seasons of decline.
I'm so tired of the "lunch pail/ technician" kind of player. It seems every time we draft a lineman, they're a technician or versatile. I see other teams draft maulers that do one thing well, but it frequently seems to work. Of course there are busts all over, but the proof is in the pudding. It shouldn't have to take amazing playcalling and a super athletic play by an o-lineman for a play to work. We put all of our eggs in the Schwartz basket, who wasn't even a full time starter before we got him. It seems like the last time we really hit on a pick was Snee and the last time we hit on a signing was Kareem. That's a problem.
This offense is complicated, that guy is injured etc. It just seems to always be something. Even in our Super Bowl years, it takes magic. I wish we'd overpower defenses once in a while.
I'm a social worker and not a draft guru or nfl scout (and I plan on sticking to social work!) but Jeez, usually the simplest theory fits. For the record, I am forever grateful for Reese. He has given me some of the greatest memories imaginable with my dad. Shit, we might not even win another Super Bowl in the next 25 years, so two in that time span is amazing, but come on.
Exactly!! I don't see how TC isn't included, when it comes to the players being added to this team(draft or FA). I believe, TC has a lot of say so. Maybe to much.
And Rich S . Even Beatty was somewhat of a project .
Decnet in Pass Protection . But No One who can
Roadgrade .
Who Thought we would Take Wilson ?
The Plethora of failures at WR and TE .A Shitload of
Middle Round O-linemen and Linebacker Failures .
When is the last time we drafted a 10 year starter
on the Offensive Line ? % out of 7 times our RB's
are hit behind the line of scrimmage .
We hit for a 7 game stretch with and off injured
aging Beason and Wow what a Difference he made
Luke K would have been a sweet pick hell even Spikes and
Burfict would have foot the bill .
The piss poor drafts have not yielded depth at all
and it shows in our pathetic special teams as well .
I mean How many All Pro's has Reece drafted ?
I am sure there are a few Prince was a nice pick who plummeted . Nicks 2 good Seasons Wilson Bad Luck ?
Randle ? Not exactly a gamer or the very least his effort
is inconsistant Bottom Line is We Wasted too many
of Eli's Prime Years .
Our O-line cannot push the pile...period. They cannot get off of the ball and move their target backwards. It has been years since we all felt comfortable that we could run the ball and get ONE YARD when we really need it. Not only do these guys have lousy footwork, but they are not even strong enough to match up against the D-line.
Only the Jets make our talent evaluation look professional.
Yeah so Reese has selected a lot of WRs and DBs. Even those choices for the most part have not been great. One thing here is that he has made us a SMALLER and less physically imposing team in those areas. We have no big WR who can physically dominate the DBs. This also means they are not going to be effective blockers too. Our DBs are small....period. Seems like that has always been the case.
Finally, too many guys on this roster who lack natural football instincts. You can just see it on the field. No idea WTF is going on around them.
I was sitting there in the stadium last week and was looking at all of the guys the Colts had on the sideline. Could not believe that both teams were working under the same salary cap. How could the Colts and the Giants spend the same amount of money and yet it looks like we put our team together with everyone the Colts decided to cut from their roster?
You see it week after week in the defensive backfield.....the miscommunication....wide open receivers.....
We have a group of linebackers that have no idea how to attack.....they wait for runners to come to them....they never go towards the runner, to take away not only his momentum/speed, but also his yardage...
How many times are we going to see our DE's collapse toward the center of the line, and leave the end exposed for a cutback?
Guy drops a ball, he should go to the bench for a series....drops another? He should stay there...
2006 Whimper
2007 Koets
2008 zip
2009 Beatty
2010 Petrus 5th
2011 Brewer 4th
2012 Mosley 4th, McCants 6th
Doomster's listing tells the story.
7 drafts go bye and the only thing we came out with was Beatty, and he is on almost every fan's wishlist to be replaced sooner vs later.
I am not sure I can blame the coaches on their developmental problems because together this gaggle of O-line selections barely have enough talent to be practice squad players.
Me or the OP?
It is not about who Jerry passed on in the draft. I would be happy if we got all of our O linemen via free agency. Guys who have proven that they can play in this league.
But...
they suck
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and then try selling this delusion.
It is not about who Jerry passed on in the draft. I would be happy if we got all of our O linemen via free agency. Guys who have proven that they can play in this league.
Not aware of any teams who sign all free agents for the OL. Not to mention, a successful one.