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Amani Toomer had a great point re: league wide blowouts...

Britt in VA : 11/11/2014 9:11 am
this morning on the Opening Drive with Bob Papa.

Basically, he said that of the 13 games played this week, only 4 were decided by 7 points or less. That this was greatly in contrast to when he played, and cited the number that the majority of games were decided by three to seven points.

He also cited the amount of Prime Time blowouts. Last Monday night's game: unwatchable. Thursday night game: unwatchable. Sunday night game: unwatchable. Last night's game: unwatchable. Basically said that it's great that if your team is winning, but that the NFL is walking a line of losing the casual fan that is just looking for an exciting game, and these days most games are decided pretty much by halftime.

Amani then talked about how the Giants game was competitive, but that he turned it off shortly into the third, because it was clear what was happening (didn't elaborate). Bob Papa then chimed in to say that the average score used to be about three point difference heading into the fourth quarter, but he didn't know if it was his perception or reality that many games this season are clearly over by halftime.

They both agreed that the NFL wanted more scoring and more points for excitement, but may not have planned on this result, which is the opposite of exciting, but rather boring.
It's an adjustment period  
Joey in VA : 11/11/2014 9:15 am : link
The teams that get it will be ok, the teams stuck in the mindset of the NFL of a few years ago will struggle. This is FA all over again, it took teams a few years to get it right. The CBA and these fuck all rules against playing defense have changed the game drastically and not everyone gets it yet organization wide.
What was his  
Exit 172 : 11/11/2014 9:17 am : link
great point?
I'm not sure that's the case...  
Dunedin81 : 11/11/2014 9:19 am : link
we destroyed the Skins and then got blown out on a few occasions. The same teams have been on the giving end and receiving end of blowouts. Maybe it is momentum, maybe it is offensive timing, because there have been some amazing comebacks too, but it just seems like one or two plays can put teams in such a hole that they have to resort to almost exclusively passing the ball, the defenses are gassed, etc etc.
RE: It's an adjustment period  
Britt in VA : 11/11/2014 9:20 am : link
In comment 11971951 Joey in VA said:
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The teams that get it will be ok, the teams stuck in the mindset of the NFL of a few years ago will struggle. This is FA all over again, it took teams a few years to get it right. The CBA and these fuck all rules against playing defense have changed the game drastically and not everyone gets it yet organization wide.


Yeah, and he actually added that as well. He said you had teams that have just royally screwed up their cap, like Carolina, that just can't field competitive teams, and it will take them 3 to 5 years to adjust.
But basically they both said that something's got to give...  
Britt in VA : 11/11/2014 9:23 am : link
or they risk becoming the NCAA, which both Amani and Bob said they don't watch due to lopsided games.

They said what used to make the NFL great was the competition, and that basically in it's current form that seems to be gone.
The NFL wants the fantasy football fans happy.  
LauderdaleMatty : 11/11/2014 9:23 am : link
Hey my favorite tea got blown out but I have Brent Celek and I won because he caught a bunch of passes etc. what ever. I'm not watching the games anymore. I used to have the Sunday Ticket. Now i watch the giants and thats it.


They may get bumped off for the beach now as they suck and I'd rather enjoy myself on SUndays than get pissed off watching shitty football played for people who just want their QB to get them 22 points or a WR they never heard of before their draft score a TD two time zones away,.
RE: What was his  
Britt in VA : 11/11/2014 9:24 am : link
In comment 11971952 Exit 172 said:
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great point?


I thought it was a good commentary. Because the Giants suck, I've watched less league wide football, but what I have seen, there have been many lopsided blowouts that have not captured my interest as a fan.
I  
Toth029 : 11/11/2014 9:26 am : link
Think it's because there's an awful lot of bad teams.
RE: I'm not sure that's the case...  
Britt in VA : 11/11/2014 9:27 am : link
In comment 11971960 Dunedin81 said:
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we destroyed the Skins and then got blown out on a few occasions. The same teams have been on the giving end and receiving end of blowouts. Maybe it is momentum, maybe it is offensive timing, because there have been some amazing comebacks too, but it just seems like one or two plays can put teams in such a hole that they have to resort to almost exclusively passing the ball, the defenses are gassed, etc etc.


This is a good point, that I would have liked to hear their answer to...
....  
BrettNYG10 : 11/11/2014 9:30 am : link
I've watched less football this year in part because of this (and because the Giants suck, which lessens my enthusiasm overall).

I turned off last night's game because it was over early. It sucks as a fan.
Here's what baffles me  
Matt M. : 11/11/2014 9:32 am : link
I see in this thread and many others, myself included, long time fans saying they now watch the Giants and that's it. So, how the Hell are the ratings so good? They can't possibly have picked up so many new and/or fringe fans.
RE: ....  
Britt in VA : 11/11/2014 9:33 am : link
In comment 11971980 BrettNYG10 said:
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I've watched less football this year in part because of this (and because the Giants suck, which lessens my enthusiasm overall).

I turned off last night's game because it was over early. It sucks as a fan.


That's kind of what I started thinking about as they were talking about it, and they were right....

Last Monday night was unwatchable, so was Thursday night, so was Sunday night, so was last night...

And not only were they unwatchable, they were REALLY unwatchable. I mean, Aaron Rodgers throws 6 TD's in the first half against a division rival? Really? Cleveland Blows out Cincy, supposedly two evenly matched teams?
RE: What was his  
Mike in Long Beach : 11/11/2014 9:36 am : link
In comment 11971952 Exit 172 said:
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great point?


lmao at this.

From the OP, all he did was acknowledge what we all can figure out by looking at a box score.
Cool, sorry this is all beneath you guys.  
Britt in VA : 11/11/2014 9:37 am : link
You don't have to join in the conversation.
But some guy won $1,000,000 on DraftKings.com  
ballanda : 11/11/2014 9:38 am : link
So it's OK. Plus, I am sleeping better. I have watched one primetime game this year. Dallas and Washington. That was the ONLY good night game all season.
Timely article:  
Britt in VA : 11/11/2014 9:58 am : link
Some interesting points in this article:

-Sunday Night Football games are being decided by an average of three touchdowns, by far the highest in history.

-More than half of all primetime games have been decided by 20 points or more.

-There has only been one fourth-quarter lead change in primetime since Week 2.

-Through Week 10, there have already been more primetime 20+point blowouts in primetime than in the previous three seasons combined.

-Thursday Night Football games are being decided by 20.5 points per game, which is second-highest for any primetime slate of the past 25 seasons.

-Primetime games are being decided by a touchdown more than non-primetime games.

-Three of the four biggest blowouts of the season came in primetime games.

USA Today: Primetime NFL Games have been HIstorically Awful in 2014: By the numbers - ( New Window )
Another article re: Sunday Night Ratings.  
Britt in VA : 11/11/2014 10:00 am : link
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‘Sunday Night Football’ Ratings Fall To Season Low For NBC With Blowout - ( New Window )
Jay Cutler is 1-11 against Green Bay  
Ten Ton Hammer : 11/11/2014 10:02 am : link
but they scheduled the game anyway, so why is it a surprise when it becomes a blowout? Green Bay regularly undresses chicago.
RE: Timely article:  
BrettNYG10 : 11/11/2014 10:05 am : link
In comment 11972029 Britt in VA said:
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Some interesting points in this article:

-Sunday Night Football games are being decided by an average of three touchdowns, by far the highest in history.

-More than half of all primetime games have been decided by 20 points or more.

-There has only been one fourth-quarter lead change in primetime since Week 2.

-Through Week 10, there have already been more primetime 20+point blowouts in primetime than in the previous three seasons combined.

-Thursday Night Football games are being decided by 20.5 points per game, which is second-highest for any primetime slate of the past 25 seasons.

-Primetime games are being decided by a touchdown more than non-primetime games.

-Three of the four biggest blowouts of the season came in primetime games. USA Today: Primetime NFL Games have been HIstorically Awful in 2014: By the numbers - ( New Window )


Thanks - this puts data behind what we've felt/seen.
RE: Jay Cutler is 1-11 against Green Bay  
Britt in VA : 11/11/2014 10:07 am : link
In comment 11972036 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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but they scheduled the game anyway, so why is it a surprise when it becomes a blowout? Green Bay regularly undresses chicago.


42-0 at halftime? 6 TD's in one half? You think that's routine, regardless of record?

We're talking about keeping the attention of the casual, hell the die hard too, NFL fan.
The NFL  
rocco8112 : 11/11/2014 10:07 am : link
owner can only see the short term profits. They are sacrificing the sport to accommodate the digital revolution.

Fantasy is gambling and brings in a whole new type of fan. The point made above about a person not caring if his team is getting blown out so long as their fantasy guy is getting points is spot on.

I see it now with some people I have watched games with.

I also think the it is impossible to build a deep team. The cap and the limits on practicing in the CBA have destroyed any ability to build real depth on a roster for most teams. This combined with injuries have made many teams stink.

To me it is very noticeable that the product on the field is worse. If you enjoy football for the sport you are shit outta luck, the NFL believes you will watch no matter what.
Matt..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 11/11/2014 10:08 am : link
I think the MNF and SNF games have had ratings about the same in recent year's or down.

Where the NFL had been touting ratings is on the thursday Night games, but keep in mind, they went to CBS for the first half this year. That alone will give a huge boost.

Other than that, I think the ratings have been flat.
Good thread  
armstead98 : 11/11/2014 10:08 am : link
I've had this same thought as well. Basically in an effort to get more scoring and open the game up the NFL has brought on the age of blowouts and boring games. They probably didn't expect this and my guess is that they're freaking out in the NFL offices about it.

I'm not sure what the solution is but I wouldn't be surprised if they relaxed some of the defensive calls. They'll still enforce the ones around player safety but they might give the DBs a little more leeway when it comes to contact downfield.
RE: The NFL  
Britt in VA : 11/11/2014 10:09 am : link
In comment 11972052 rocco8112 said:
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owner can only see the short term profits. They are sacrificing the sport to accommodate the digital revolution.

Fantasy is gambling and brings in a whole new type of fan. The point made above about a person not caring if his team is getting blown out so long as their fantasy guy is getting points is spot on.

I see it now with some people I have watched games with.

I also think the it is impossible to build a deep team. The cap and the limits on practicing in the CBA have destroyed any ability to build real depth on a roster for most teams. This combined with injuries have made many teams stink.

To me it is very noticeable that the product on the field is worse. If you enjoy football for the sport you are shit outta luck, the NFL believes you will watch no matter what.


Then I think it's the NFL itself that is gambling, long term.

If my team stinks, I'm not watching, and that's a change for me.
I wonder if they  
rocco8112 : 11/11/2014 10:10 am : link
are freaking out. They may not care if the games are blowouts.

Scoring of any type is all that matters
I would love to be  
dune69 : 11/11/2014 10:12 am : link
able to sit in Mr. Coughlin's study in a few years into is retirement and get his true feelings about how the game changed under the Goodell regime. The 30 flags a game, the defense can't touch the offense, etc. I would also like to know if he thinks we made it a safer game, which is important to me. I have watched NFL football since 1962 and I do not enjoy it so much in the past few years. Commercials, penalty flags, and fantasy football shows....
RE: Matt..  
BrettNYG10 : 11/11/2014 10:14 am : link
In comment 11972055 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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I think the MNF and SNF games have had ratings about the same in recent year's or down.

Where the NFL had been touting ratings is on the thursday Night games, but keep in mind, they went to CBS for the first half this year. That alone will give a huge boost.

Other than that, I think the ratings have been flat.


CBS's CEO recently said they were disappointed in the ratings and attributed a lot of it to blowouts.
Rocco  
armstead98 : 11/11/2014 10:14 am : link
Scoring isn't all that matters, ratings is. Until now they've operated under the assumption that high scoring games leads to high ratings but for the first time scoring has gotten so out of whack that high scoring games actually have a negative effect on ratings and fan's perception of the game.
RE: I would love to be  
rocco8112 : 11/11/2014 10:16 am : link
In comment 11972063 dune69 said:
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able to sit in Mr. Coughlin's study in a few years into is retirement and get his true feelings about how the game changed under the Goodell regime. The 30 flags a game, the defense can't touch the offense, etc. I would also like to know if he thinks we made it a safer game, which is important to me. I have watched NFL football since 1962 and I do not enjoy it so much in the past few years. Commercials, penalty flags, and fantasy football shows....


Me too, that we be an interesting conversation
I thought Dunedin had a good point early in the thread....  
Britt in VA : 11/11/2014 10:19 am : link
It's not neccessarily that "bad" teams are the only ones getting blown out.

The parity of it has bad teams getting blown out one week, then blowing out another team the following week.

The Colts are a perfect example of this, and so is Pittsburgh...

Cleveland blows out Pittsburgh, Pittsburgh blows out Colts, Colts blow out Giants, etc...

The scoring is all out of whack.
RE: RE: Jay Cutler is 1-11 against Green Bay  
Ten Ton Hammer : 11/11/2014 10:19 am : link
In comment 11972050 Britt in VA said:
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In comment 11972036 Ten Ton Hammer said:


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but they scheduled the game anyway, so why is it a surprise when it becomes a blowout? Green Bay regularly undresses chicago.



42-0 at halftime? 6 TD's in one half? You think that's routine, regardless of record?

We're talking about keeping the attention of the casual, hell the die hard too, NFL fan.


Not routine, but why expect a good game here?
Not saying that the Colts or Pittsburgh are bad teams...  
Britt in VA : 11/11/2014 10:19 am : link
I worded that wrong.
RE: RE: RE: Jay Cutler is 1-11 against Green Bay  
Britt in VA : 11/11/2014 10:20 am : link
In comment 11972086 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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In comment 11972050 Britt in VA said:


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In comment 11972036 Ten Ton Hammer said:


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but they scheduled the game anyway, so why is it a surprise when it becomes a blowout? Green Bay regularly undresses chicago.



42-0 at halftime? 6 TD's in one half? You think that's routine, regardless of record?

We're talking about keeping the attention of the casual, hell the die hard too, NFL fan.



Not routine, but why expect a good game here?


That's one game... And it's not the outcome that's in question, is the historic style in which the outcome was decided.
RE: Cool, sorry this is all beneath you guys.  
Mike in Long Beach : 11/11/2014 10:21 am : link
In comment 11971995 Britt in VA said:
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You don't have to join in the conversation.


It's an interesting talking point and an interesting thread. It's just funny you said Amani Toomer had a great point in your thread title. Hardly the headline of an important discussion, especially since he didn't make any point, lol.

No offense meant. Just humorous.
Also, wasn't it 35-0 in the first quarter?  
Britt in VA : 11/11/2014 10:22 am : link
They probably lost most of their viewers before the first hour of the game was up.
RE: RE: Cool, sorry this is all beneath you guys.  
Britt in VA : 11/11/2014 10:23 am : link
In comment 11972097 Mike in Long Beach said:
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In comment 11971995 Britt in VA said:


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You don't have to join in the conversation.



It's an interesting talking point and an interesting thread. It's just funny you said Amani Toomer had a great point in your thread title. Hardly the headline of an important discussion, especially since he didn't make any point, lol.

No offense meant. Just humorous.


He did make a point. He said the NFL is going to lose the casual fan at this rate, the one that's just looking for a good game.
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Mike in Long Beach : 11/11/2014 10:30 am : link
I guess YAJ and I opened the thread thinking the "great point" was going to be about Toomer stating a cause for the blowouts, not just acknowledging them. There really wasn't a cause stated (the increase in scoring opportunities theoretically would impact both sides equally, and would in fact make the "feel of a game" to be less of a blow out as any team would be able to battle back from any deficit).

Carry on. Your thread is interesting and I don't want to miller.
I also don't really understand the emphasis on scoring in general  
Mike in Long Beach : 11/11/2014 10:32 am : link
Points like anything else in life will devalue when you have too many of them. If you increase scoring substantially then you also devalue a touchdown, football's most exciting play. Perhaps they're just trying to milk every dollar out of the short term with no regard for the long term consequences? But is Goodell that "evil" that he would be willing to sacrifice the future of the sport?
It's an interesting point Britt  
nicky43 : 11/11/2014 10:34 am : link
What he's saying is that the NFL's changes designed to have higher scoring games is creating a result the league does not want and that is blowouts or games being over by the first half.

I think it's a keen observation when you think about it. Clearly this sudden obsession the NFL has with PI penalties is resulting in higher scoring games and those teams that are lucky enough to have a combination of good gun slinging QBs and great receivers are blowing out the defenses.

Maybe this will lead the NFL to re-think their strategy of calling PI penalties for the slightest infraction.
People want to complain  
Metnut : 11/11/2014 10:36 am : link
that there's too much parity in the NFL and people also want to complain that there are too many blowouts.
RE: Here's what baffles me  
LauderdaleMatty : 11/11/2014 10:39 am : link
In comment 11971984 Matt M. said:
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I see in this thread and many others, myself included, long time fans saying they now watch the Giants and that's it. So, how the Hell are the ratings so good? They can't possibly have picked up so many new and/or fringe fans.


Fantasy football. Gambling
RE: People want to complain  
Britt in VA : 11/11/2014 10:39 am : link
In comment 11972131 Metnut said:
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that there's too much parity in the NFL and people also want to complain that there are too many blowouts.


Are they mutually exclusive? Do you disagree with either of these complaints?
RE: It's an interesting point Britt  
Britt in VA : 11/11/2014 10:44 am : link
In comment 11972126 nicky43 said:
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What he's saying is that the NFL's changes designed to have higher scoring games is creating a result the league does not want and that is blowouts or games being over by the first half.

I think it's a keen observation when you think about it. Clearly this sudden obsession the NFL has with PI penalties is resulting in higher scoring games and those teams that are lucky enough to have a combination of good gun slinging QBs and great receivers are blowing out the defenses.

Maybe this will lead the NFL to re-think their strategy of calling PI penalties for the slightest infraction.


Exactly, the NFL is getting the OPPOSITE result of what they wanted with the changes they've made.

Their reasoning was that higher scoring equals more excitement equals bigger ratings, and that appears to be backfiring.
I agree with the poster that said...  
Britt in VA : 11/11/2014 10:45 am : link
the NFL offices are (should be) in a panic over this right now.
They're going to lose hard core fans too  
Greg from LI : 11/11/2014 10:45 am : link
I think it's safe to say I fit that category. I barely pay attention to anyone but the Giants anymore. That started a few years back and it gets more pronounced every year. Ten years ago, Sundays in the fall were all about the NFL, period. Now? I'll watch the Giants if they're on. I don't out to watch tames anymore, I don't get the Ticket....I just don't care about all these crappy games in a watered down league.

Fantasy football bullshit is the root of all evil.
I am not a huge fan of  
Rick5 : 11/11/2014 10:57 am : link
so many high scoring games. It would be nice to see a classic 6-3 or 10-3 defensive battle from time to time just for variety, but I guess that's wishful thinking at this point.
I took these from the following article:  
Britt in VA : 11/11/2014 11:09 am : link


Awful Announcing: The amount of NFL primetime blowouts this year has been absurd - ( New Window )
RE: It's an adjustment period  
Jacobs27 : 11/11/2014 11:18 am : link
In comment 11971951 Joey in VA said:
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The teams that get it will be ok, the teams stuck in the mindset of the NFL of a few years ago will struggle. This is FA all over again, it took teams a few years to get it right. The CBA and these fuck all rules against playing defense have changed the game drastically and not everyone gets it yet organization wide.


This is a great post Joey. Unfortunately we've got an old school coach who clearly doesn't get this new era of football. Every time I hear him talk about balance on offense, time of possesion and playing the field position game I shake my head. We won't truly have a chance to compete until he's gone. Sorry to say it but I believe it's true.
The NFL has Hollywood-itis  
English Alaister : 11/11/2014 11:33 am : link
It is turning out crap that people watch.

Long-term I hope that it is not sustainable. Trying to find a film worth watching is as difficult as finding a football game worth watching.

Thr Giants changed from TCs old system with KG to  
chops : 11/11/2014 11:38 am : link
an entirely new offense with B. McAdoo
chops  
Jacobs27 : 11/11/2014 11:44 am : link
There's a lot more to it than that. TC still has a huge say in the overall play calling and direction of the offense. And he's still the one calling for punts on 4th and short from the opponents 37 yard line.

When was the last time one of our opponents punted form our 37 yard line?
Last night I stopped watching the game to watch curling...  
Patrick77 : 11/11/2014 12:20 pm : link
The guys that I was hanging out with continued to watch the game purely for fantasy football reasons. If you aren't playing fantasy football or an Eagles fan I don't know why you would watch last nights garbage.
RE: RE: Here's what baffles me  
River Mike : 11/11/2014 12:39 pm : link
In comment 11972133 LauderdaleMatty said:
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In comment 11971984 Matt M. said:


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I see in this thread and many others, myself included, long time fans saying they now watch the Giants and that's it. So, how the Hell are the ratings so good? They can't possibly have picked up so many new and/or fringe fans.



Fantasy football. Gambling


Disagree Matty. Don't know if you play fantasy or not, but there's absolutely no reason that blowouts are attractive to players. All you really look for is beating your opponent. If the 7-3 game does it for you, fine. If the 43-40 game does it, fine, makes no difference. For every player that's on the winning side of a high score, there are likely players getting screwed by the losing side. And if a team scores 45 points, but the player you have only scored 4 of those points, the other 41 are meaningless or maybe your opponent has them. The high scores are totally irrelevant to fantasy interest
Now, what Patrick said  
River Mike : 11/11/2014 12:41 pm : link
is relevant. Fantasy will keep you watching games you would otherwise have no interest in regardless of the score.
I turned both the SNF and the MNF games off at halftime  
RDJR : 11/11/2014 12:45 pm : link
this week and I'm an avid fan. Get the Ticket every year and watch all day Sunday, not just the Giants. I also watch college games all day Saturday, much to the chagrin of my wife and physical activity.

The blow outs are concerning. I also believe the talent pool is decreasing rapidly in the sport. The head injuries and subsequent medical and psychological issues associated with them is going to destroy the game. It may be a lot sooner than we all think.
Francessa was discussing the blowouts  
St. Jimmy : 11/11/2014 12:47 pm : link
yesterday. He said that TV ratings don't change first half/second half in blowouts because people are more interested in their fantasy football players than they are the actual outcome of the game. He said that the NFL knows this so they probably don't care.
i read the hurry up and no huddle offenses  
jcp56 : 11/11/2014 12:48 pm : link
lead to more plays, and more plays lead to bigger winning margins by the better team.

You would also think that more passing also leads to more clock stoppages and more plays.
i don't play  
whobetta : 11/11/2014 12:53 pm : link
fantasy,

its fucking boring as dick. I watch my team and if they are sucking balls and I am getting too frustrated will wind up switching to something else.

i only have football on of other games if I am around the house on a Sunday afternoon, otherwise, don't care except when i check ESPN to see scores highlights and injuries / stories.

fuck the hype and scoring sucks too... who gives a shit if a game is 50-35 or 13 - 7...
I have the NFL Sunday Ticket on DirecTV because I live out  
pjcas18 : 11/11/2014 12:57 pm : link
of market. One of the best things about being able to see all the games is seeing the end. I agree with Toomer that there are more blowouts, but every week there are compelling endings to games.

Last week, the Lions vs Dolphins and Saints vs 49ers (off the top of my head) were very dramatic and as someone who never considered themself a casual fan, I am engrossed every week watching the great endings.

It seems like there are the same amount of close games, but yeah definitely more blowouts - not sure if that's perception or if it's always been the case.

It's certainly not perception in prime time...  
Britt in VA : 11/11/2014 12:59 pm : link
but yeah, I'm wondering what the overall picture looks like, as well.
It's pretty clearly the handcuffing of the D  
SMitch2 : 11/11/2014 1:26 pm : link
I've been of the opinion that Defense was the great equalizer among teams -- and normalizer of the scores. You may not have a great QB, passing game (there's a lot of luck with getting a great QB), but you can always build a solid defense to stay competitive. But if rule changes diminish the ability of all but the very best D's to control the game, then games will increasingly get out of hand.

In the past, a great D and poor QB/offense could keep the game close, or a good D and average offense would stay competitive. With the way they've handcuffed the Defense over the past ten years, we've finally reached a point where you wind up with miss matches week to week where a D can't hold serve and then things quickly spiral out of control.
A random weekend  
Rick5 : 11/11/2014 1:41 pm : link
from 1971. Pretty fascinating.
link - ( New Window )
RE: chops  
HomerJones45 : 11/11/2014 2:01 pm : link
In comment 11972294 Jacobs27 said:
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There's a lot more to it than that. TC still has a huge say in the overall play calling and direction of the offense. And he's still the one calling for punts on 4th and short from the opponents 37 yard line.

When was the last time one of our opponents punted form our 37 yard line?
Nonsense. Coughlin has been through about 5 major rules changes in his career. Somehow, he had good teams with the Jags, he had SB wins with the Giants - and the rules changed since the 90's.

This view of the world that Coughlin is some doddering old codger who is "too set in is ways" is a pile of steaming horseshit.

Unintended consequences are what happens when you go monkeying around with the rules to achieve a certain result. More scoring doesn't necessarily mean both teams will do more scoring. Qb has a hot hand, the other team makes a few mistakes and the other team is down by 3 scores in a few minutes. The losing team has to take more chances to catch up, there are more mistakes and is down by more.
RE: Francessa was discussing the blowouts  
BigBlueinChicago : 11/11/2014 2:08 pm : link
In comment 11972411 St. Jimmy said:
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yesterday. He said that TV ratings don't change first half/second half in blowouts because people are more interested in their fantasy football players than they are the actual outcome of the game. He said that the NFL knows this so they probably don't care.


Don't forget about the gambling (non fantasy) aspect.

I don't know what the over/under was for the Bears-Packers game, but I don't it think it was reached until sometime in the 3rd quarter.

Maybe you even put money on the Bears or Packers for the 2nd half of the game only. You still had to watch to see if your bet cashed in.

That is why while the quality of play has diminished over the last 5-10 years turning some folks off, the NFL has gained an influx of fantasy owners and of course, gamblers to almost offset it.
I'm surprised the Packers didn't reach the over for that game...  
Britt in VA : 11/11/2014 3:34 pm : link
by themselves in the first half. They probably could have.
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YAJ2112 : 11/11/2014 4:06 pm : link
In comment 11972119 Mike in Long Beach said:
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I guess YAJ and I opened the thread thinking the "great point" was going to be about Toomer stating a cause for the blowouts, not just acknowledging them. There really wasn't a cause stated (the increase in scoring opportunities theoretically would impact both sides equally, and would in fact make the "feel of a game" to be less of a blow out as any team would be able to battle back from any deficit).

Carry on. Your thread is interesting and I don't want to miller.


Huh? How did you know I opened this thread 3 hours before I actually did? I thought you only could see into the past?
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armstead98 : 11/11/2014 4:56 pm : link
Those saying that the NFL only cares about fantasy aren't grasping the point of the discussion. What we're seeing for the first time are lower ratings because the games are becoming blowouts so quickly.

So you can't say the only thing fans care about are fantasy and higher scores. The evidence is clear, if the game isn't close people turn it off.

If this trend continues the league will try to react and do something to change this.

Ratings are the only thing that matters. Watch those to see whether or not the NFL is happy with the direction of the league.
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mitch300 : 11/11/2014 5:02 pm : link
fantasy owners are going to change the channel. Let's say you have Rogers. In a blowout he's gonna get pulled by the 4th quarter. Bottom line is less people changing the channel, means less eyes on commercials. interesting when the next tv contract comes up.
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