What is your view of this team and what would you do?

In comment 11975259 Bold Ruler said:

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to start. First thing I would do is keep Eli. We have a franchise QB and that is the hardest thing to find in the NFL and the most valuable. Eli is more valuable than any coach or GM or other player. Reese needs to go ASAP. The entire player evaluation dept needs to be overhauled. This is a colossal failure of the entire department. Fewell and and Quinn need to go ASAP. No words needed. Beyond that I would not resign JPP or Rolle on the defensive side of the ball. Need the cap room. I would make a ply to bring in Suh from Detroit. The man is nasty, plays hard every down and is exactly what this team needs to set the tone for the attitude and effort needed to return the Giants to a Defense minded team. On the offense we need a lot of work on O-Line. Move Richburg to Center, drop Walton and Jerry and we need to draft a solid guard maybe in round 2 or 3. I would consider spending a #1 pick on WR again. I doubt Cruz is going to have the speed he used to have. Randle sucks and we need a full compliment of receiving threats. We also need another top RB. There are so many needs it's hard to articulate them in one post.

Agree with just about all of that. I'm drafting the BPA at WR/RB or pass rush, DE or a LB like Von Miller or even Barr that can bring pressure off the edge.

is a 3 year rebuilding process must not have been paying attention to the structure of the NFL. Dregs of the league often turned in around in one season.

& Quinn.

I want us to keep TC.

Let JPP go, and Rolle. I would let Eli play out this year before offering a contract. I think we lack talent on both sides of the ball, especially offense. So we can pretty much upgrade any or all positions there.

I think OL needs to be addressed again, and WR or TE. I do like OL, Gurley and Cooper in this upcoming draft. I look forward to seeing them and reading the scouting reports. I think Cooper and OBJ would be a very good duo. TE I still want to add. We need our OL to be able to run block or else we wil have more 3rd and long situations. So, upgrading that unit, just for the sake of balance is probably prudent.

I see this as a 2-3 year fix.

In comment 11975314 JoefromPa said:

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is a 3 year rebuilding process must not have been paying attention to the structure of the NFL. Dregs of the league often turned in around in one season.

Especially when you have the QB in place

on what we do with Eli, or what he wants to do. His contract is a 2 year deal. Would he want to re-sign with us if our talent is shitty?

*I keep Coughlin with a 2 year extension
*Replace Fewell and Quinn
*I would let Rolle go, and if JPP wants crazy money, say goodbye
*Draft at least 2 DL's and 1 OL in the first 5 picks
*Be very active in free agency RB's, CB's, S, LB's and a WR

In 2 years Tom retires and McAdoo if deserving takes over the helm.

so many want to keep Coughlin. No other team in football would even consider keeping their HC after the last 3 seasons. It's all about sentiment and fear of the unknown.

Coaching the Giants is among the very best jobs in football, so I have no fear there is a lack of good choices to replace Coughlin.

It would take at least 2 1st rounders and more to justify moving him, and i don't see that happening.

IMO.... Sign a Solid Vet or Draft a RT to move Pugh inside to RG, Richburg to C, Swartz to LG... Draft a Tackle even if we sign a RT for depth...

LB'ers.... Dennard to starter and replace everyone else! Beason cannot be counted on.

Sign a FS... CB starters and depth is fine as long as they can get healthy.

Sing a TE... cant wait for Donell to develop, we need a pass catching TE now.

It look really bad right now, but there are pieces in place to build on.

Giants need to improve depth... right now its garbage.

Bye Bye PF! Injuries aside his defenses still are lacking and his staff has not made ANYONE better!

wildly inconsistent and even that one ended badly, thank you Mr. Burris.

Why the wild fluctuations? One week look unbeatable the next a bottom dweller.

Either this team has lacked talent all along and had outstsanding coaching or it had very good talent and spotty coaching. I tend to think the coaching has been spotty. Last week was a prime example. All of a sudden the defenese which had been good against the run gets destroyed. Admittedly LB is awful at best. Missing Amukamura against the run hurt too.

I saw a few plays that the oline opened big holes and Williams went the wrong way - I'm sure Jennings would have hit for big gains.
I'm under the impression there is better talent on the oline than is being shown - blame Flaherty here.

So:
1.) New regime starting at HC and GM if possible. Mimimum is DC and ST
2.) Better LBs needed immediately - period.
3.) Richburg to C, new OG needed. I think with a better line coach the players will play better. Walton and Jerry are viable back ups minimum.
4.) Need at least one more play maker - Gurley or Cooper (I still like Rashard Green too) followed by early oline pick.

that have turned it around in one year have had high and excellent draft picks for a few years previously. So there was a core of very good talent on the team. All they needed was to add a missing piece or two, be it a HC, QB, etc. We aren't in that situation. We have borderline to poor players throughout the team. It's unrealistic to think this can be fixed in 1 year. Sign some good, young FA's, draft wisely, and coach them up with a new, aggressive DC and new ST coach.

but will Mara make the moves?

Most of the changes need to be in the Front Office, players who haven't developed in 3 years, and aging players on defense.

The name of the game for the defense is SPEED. The Giants don't have any now and never have. That's not the fault of the coaches and you can't coach that up.

Reese should be gone and the rest of the scouting department needs a shakeup.

I don't think Fewell is so bad but he just doesn't have the players he needs (see above - no speed). He shouldn't be the fall guy for bad drafting.

It's hard to say that the offensive coaches are bad. They have been able to develop TEs, although the guy who developed them is gone. Someone has been able to put together offensive lines in the past but Diehl and Snee were Day 1 starters so you can't say anyone was really developed. There are two Day 1 starters (although both may be playing out of position). Maybe the line will develop - maybe it won't. WR (Randle) hasn't developed but Cruz did. Beckham will be solid. Others like Jernigan are gone.

Current state of the team:

- I think this team already bottomed out last year during the 0-6 run. I don't see that same level of struggle this year. I think the offense is on the upswing with young players basically everywhere.

The defense is the area of greatest concern. The two cornerstone players and supposed leaders, Rolle and JPP, are good players but are not the type of people you want to put any sort of faith in. This is the area where you get the feeling that effort is a problem. Outside of Hankins and Amukamara I don't feel great about any player on this side of the ball.

- More than ever a head coach is a CEO, and I think Coughlin is as good in that area as any. I do think it's time for change from Fewell and Quinn, though those decisions should probably be made by Coughlin (a hierarchy that may have already been interrupted by the McAdoo move...which I think has turned out to be a good one).

- I think Reese had some bad drafts from 2008-2012. Some of that was his fault (Austin, Barden, Jernigan, Hosely), some wasn't (Phillips, Wilson, Jones). Most fundamentally he is indisputably a great talent evaluator. I don't think that's a guy you let walk. I think the errors of those drafts have largely been rectified in the 2013-2014 drafts; that should start bearing serious fruit next year.

What I would do:

- Keep Reese. I think he's got his fastball back.

- Sign Coughlin to a 4 year extension (basically a 3 year deal). Have serious discussions with him behind closed doors about Fewell and Quinn. If the Gilbride/McAdoo situation happened over his head, then maybe talk to him about doing the same with those guys...but does that make him walk? Impossible to know the dynamics from the outside.

- Do NOT retain JPP or Rolle. Use that cap space and draft resources to obtain the following:

- Veteran nasty OL (Mike Iupati in FA is the first name that comes to mind)
- A MIKE LB that likes hitting people, and can instill that nature in his defensive teammates. Obviously this and any other defensive additions would depend heavily on whether Fewell is retained; if he isn't then his replacement obviously must provide maximum input.
- A WR to push Randle down the depth chart. I imagine we've all seen enough to know what he is.

I don't think this team is all that far away, especially in this roulette wheel of a league. On the field I think the defense is the most immediate concern...there is a serious lack of hunger on that side of the ball.

that in the new NFL, you can rebuild in one season.....

Does it happen? Yes, but how?

A team has a poor record, despite the fact it has talent on the team.....it has a front office, that makes all the right moves...hires the right coach.....drafts the right players....signs the missing pieces via free agency....has no major injuries.....and just about all of that is related to pure, simple, luck....

Can the Giants do it? Do they have enough talent? Do they have a front office that can make the "right moves"? Do the have the right HC and staff to go forward? Luck? they are short of that....used it all up in '07 and mainly '11.....

So those that think this team does not need a rebuild, must have the utmost confidence in TC and this front office and ownership, to do a complete 180, in the way they have run this team......

Especially HC as CEO and Iupati. He's exactly what this OL needs.

Maybe he's just injured, but I don't think this OL can afford another finesse player.

the long held tradition of continuity in the front office (Young to Accorsi to Reese) and look into bringing in an outsider with his own people and methods.

Since Parcells' last season, there has obviously been seasons of great achievement, but in no time since he left has there been any consistent stretch of dominant football. We're looking at a sample of 25 seasons where we've won 11+ games only 4 times, won 12 games twice, and won only 5 division titles.

Flags fly forever, but the overwhelming majority of this team's existence since Parcells has been decidedly average or worse. Until ownership takes a hard look at the front office, I see more of the same going forward.

>>>Eli? Do you re-sign him which would eat up a significant amount of cap space or do you let him play out his contract to speed up the rebuilding process. Does your loyalty lie more with the players or the name on the helmet?<<<

1. The cap isn't really the issue. A lot of media preach you can't sustain a solid roster if the QB is making too much. That's false IMO. The CBA doesn't allocate a lot of cap space for draft picks and those picks are under control for upwards of 5 years for 1st rounds (4 years for 2nd rounders) ,etc. If the team drafts well, the cap is pretty easy to manage.

2. Loyalty - no question my loyalty lies with the Giants and not name on the back of the jersey. As far as Eli, his number is very manageable. He could stay at $19 million per year or the Giants could say here is $15 million and tie in more guaranteed money. His number is manageable.

3. There is no Andrew Luck in the draft. There will come a day (ironically) when the Giants, Steelers and Chargers might all be in the market for the next good QB. That day isn't today. Starting over by parting ways with Eli doesn't mean the Giants will draft better.

Bottom line; Eli or no Eli, the Giants need to draft better b/c Eli's cap number isn't the issue and there is no Andrew Luck in the draft.

In comment 11975269 GIANTSr01 said:

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they likely don't need the cap room and a restructure just increases the future penalty for cutting him. Keep him in 2015 at his existing pay structure and then they can replace him in the 2016 offseason if they find a better tackle. Again, don't cut Walton. He may not be a star or even an average center, but 2015 is the last year of his deal and he'd be valuable depth. Richburg/Pugh are both cheap so you can have a slightly better paid backup (and his deal isn't that bad). Draft/sign a mauling OG and go into the season with: Beatty-draft pick/FA-Richburg-Schwartz-Pugh The run blocking has been poor (though let's see how they look with Jennings back), but the pass protection has been above average.

They know not to restructure Beatty. There is no way the Giants are giving him more guaranteed money (which is what a restructure does).

Walton is done.

IMO, signing Iupati is much less risky than hoping for that "mauling" Guard b/c we've seen how often these guys miss on draft day. At least with Iupati, you know what you're getting.

In comment 11975580 Giants2012 said:

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In comment 11975269 GIANTSr01 said: Quote: they likely don't need the cap room and a restructure just increases the future penalty for cutting him. Keep him in 2015 at his existing pay structure and then they can replace him in the 2016 offseason if they find a better tackle. Again, don't cut Walton. He may not be a star or even an average center, but 2015 is the last year of his deal and he'd be valuable depth. Richburg/Pugh are both cheap so you can have a slightly better paid backup (and his deal isn't that bad). Draft/sign a mauling OG and go into the season with: Beatty-draft pick/FA-Richburg-Schwartz-Pugh The run blocking has been poor (though let's see how they look with Jennings back), but the pass protection has been above average. They know not to restructure Beatty. There is no way the Giants are giving him more guaranteed money (which is what a restructure does). Walton is done. IMO, signing Iupati is much less risky than hoping for that "mauling" Guard b/c we've seen how often these guys miss on draft day. At least with Iupati, you know what you're getting.

My post was in response to someone advocating a restructure for Beatty.

I'd be fine signing Iupati. An OL of Beatty-Iupati-Richburg-Schwartz-Pugh could be very good (IMO). Add another WR weapon and hope Donnell/Williams continue to improve and the offense would be fairly set.

The defense needs to be completely overhauled. The Seattle game convinced me that the players are not listening to Fewell. I don't think they are fully buying into his scheme. We need a fresh face to lead the defense.


JPP is not a guy I want to invest in for the long term. Let Rolle walk. I think the offense is heading in the right direction. Shore up the O-line some more and get another playmaker at wide receiver. I've seen enough of Randle. He is a number 3 receiver at best. I think we need another receiver with Cruz's injury.

Keep Coughlin and McAdoo, but Fewell is gone.

and then let him make the call on coach and players. That is how it should work. Any attempt to manage the GM would turn the Giants into the Redskins or Cowboys, neither of which has enjoyed great success. I really think that a break from Coughlin is needed but I recall the turnaround after nearly two decades of futility occurred when the ownership handed over power to George Young to make these decisions.

TC or JR go.

Continue bringing talent in through FA and the draft with a focus on both lines.

Sign a vet WR who wont have health issues and can be trusted by Eli. Sign a quality TE or LB please.

Fewell and Quinn need to be replaced.

Re-sign Rolle and JPP without breaking the bank. Build a defense around Rolle, Prince, DRC, JPP, Hankins, and Moore

One would think that Prince, OBJ, Hankins, Moore, Kennard, Pugh, Richburg, Williams will all be better next year and hopefully we can get healthy seasons out of Thurmond, Schwartz, and Jennings

Reese to bring in his own head coach. Because I honestly feel, that there's a disconnect, with he and Coughlin. People blame Reese for this team. But I think, TC has more say so, than people think. Maybe to much say so, for Reese liking. Some of you guys keep blaming Reese. But I'm willing to bet, that TC is pulling a lot of these strings.

Thing. Why do some want to keep Coughlin ? That shit is funny to me. Fire everyone else, but keep Coughlin. Damn, did he make a blood sacrifice or some shit. At this point, TC can join Fewell and Quinn. I rather not see any of them back. I actually like Ben Mc. But other than that, they all can leave. Fuck this shit. I can't watch another season like this. Guys saying, give TC an extension. What the fuck for ? For 2 more years of the same garbage we're witnessing now ?

Let's face it, a whole lot of bad and miscalculations happened to get the team to this point. I do think, regardless of coaching staff, they can be far more competitive with another solid draft and with far better luck with injuries. As far as true SB contenders next year, probably setting the bar to high.

I don't pretend to know enough to suggest a turn around plan so my comments really are based on what I precieve the Giants plan was; does it look like it a good one but totally derailed by injuries, their plan stunk & it's obvious they need a redo, or something in between. Trying not to be to long -

Players - liked what they did in the draft. No taking chances with picks in attempts to hit homeruns. We need to get younger can only do so if picks stick. Free agency including resigns, thought Reese did a good job. This wasn't going to be a one year rebuild. Team would look whole lot better if these guys weren't playing injured and or missing games; Jennings,DRC,Schwartz,Thurmond,McBride,Beason,Fells. So in short continue the process.

Coaching - Assuming TC still wants to stay, keep in place he is a good HC allowing MacAdoo to develop as a potential HC. The new offensive scheme is better considering new practice rules. Fewell I suspect was kept because he was considered a potential HC choice. This needs to be revisited not because he is a bad coach ( never had a roster with big holes ) but it does appear he is losing his players. Also similar to the Offense his scheme maybe just to complicated for practice rules. Would bring in young coach with more sustainable scheme. Let two young coordinators duke it out for future HC.

Oops guess I did get to long.

If TC was the problem he should have gotten the boot last year. You stay the course at this point. Either blow it all up or retain JR, TC, and Eli. To blow things up would waste the progress made this year.

This year was always going to be a rebuilding year with a small margin for error in order to make the playoffs. They got hit with too many injuries and now its a bad team. The offense is on the upswing but needs to continue building the OL. The progress the offense has made in spite of OL, WR, and RB injuries is why I think you stay the course.

Theres a general attitude of negativity on BBI that if this team is not super bowl caliber they are light years away and sweeping changes are needed. It seems like an opinion based on emotion and not logic.

To be sarcastic. Hire Bill Polian to run your whole Football operations or someone of equal stature.

Regardless of what all the people did on the past the FO has been very unsuccessful.

Reese was hired as a GM and had a franchise QB who was a major factor in winning both SuperBowls. His draft strategy is WR, DB, and DL. Everything else he tried to bargain basement shop. Once the OL fell apart and his immobile QB was getting killed he then has had to draft two OL in the last two years. Even w that At this point no one on this planet knows if the OL is 1, 2, or even 3 players away. He's missed on a ton of picks. He's signed or resigned players who haven't performed up to what he gave them. Not sure where Chris Mara fits in but he wouldn't be in his job if is name was Jones.

Coughlin was a great coach but until he had no choice he refused to change his O even though the NFL changed its rules and he needed to adapt. His DC is about as UN-innovative as there is. And for whatever reason his players seriously seem to either don't know or don't care what he's coaching

Clean sweep. It's over due sadly

but given the same roster, I think another staff would get more out the same guys...

- Thank you Coach Coughlin, good luck in your retirement.
- Jerry Reese goes. Hire new GM. Let him/her hire a coach.
- Keep the OC, maybe make him head coach. Just installed an offense, don't want to do it again.
- Let the new head coach hire all the assistants.
- Keep Eli, extend him and open up some cap space.
- Keep JPP if it makes sense cap-wise. We don't have anyone else.
- I'd keep Rolle if it makes sense cap-wise.
- BPA in draft, Defense First, OL 2nd.

It's time to move on from Reese, Ross, Coughlin and his coaching staff except maybe for McAdoo, the current strength and condidioning staff, and most of the players currently on the roster. Note that the GIANTS now have far more players who are rejects from other organizatins than players that they drafted or signed as original free agents.

In other words, it is damn near starting over from scratch. Right now this team is a BAD expanison team and nothing else.

is back and defending Coughlin again.

And amazingly some people want to entrust Reese with the power again despite the overwhelming proof he's incompetent.

In comment 11975462 Go Terps said:

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Current state of the team: - I think this team already bottomed out last year during the 0-6 run. I don't see that same level of struggle this year. I think the offense is on the upswing with young players basically everywhere. The defense is the area of greatest concern. The two cornerstone players and supposed leaders, Rolle and JPP, are good players but are not the type of people you want to put any sort of faith in. This is the area where you get the feeling that effort is a problem. Outside of Hankins and Amukamara I don't feel great about any player on this side of the ball. - More than ever a head coach is a CEO, and I think Coughlin is as good in that area as any. I do think it's time for change from Fewell and Quinn, though those decisions should probably be made by Coughlin (a hierarchy that may have already been interrupted by the McAdoo move...which I think has turned out to be a good one). - I think Reese had some bad drafts from 2008-2012. Some of that was his fault (Austin, Barden, Jernigan, Hosely), some wasn't (Phillips, Wilson, Jones). Most fundamentally he is indisputably a great talent evaluator. I don't think that's a guy you let walk. I think the errors of those drafts have largely been rectified in the 2013-2014 drafts; that should start bearing serious fruit next year. What I would do: - Keep Reese. I think he's got his fastball back. - Sign Coughlin to a 4 year extension (basically a 3 year deal). Have serious discussions with him behind closed doors about Fewell and Quinn. If the Gilbride/McAdoo situation happened over his head, then maybe talk to him about doing the same with those guys...but does that make him walk? Impossible to know the dynamics from the outside. - Do NOT retain JPP or Rolle. Use that cap space and draft resources to obtain the following: - Veteran nasty OL (Mike Iupati in FA is the first name that comes to mind) - A MIKE LB that likes hitting people, and can instill that nature in his defensive teammates. Obviously this and any other defensive additions would depend heavily on whether Fewell is retained; if he isn't then his replacement obviously must provide maximum input. - A WR to push Randle down the depth chart. I imagine we've all seen enough to know what he is. I don't think this team is all that far away, especially in this roulette wheel of a league. On the field I think the defense is the most immediate concern...there is a serious lack of hunger on that side of the ball.

I agree with just about everything GoTerps wrote although I would keep JPP at the right price. It's not evident at the moment but I think the Giants are moving in the right direction.

you're never as good or bad as you might think.

This team wasn't some unstoppable force from 05-2011 and it's not the complete and hopeless shit show it resembles today.

We need play makers. Difference makers. You can't build a team with no weaknesses anymore as it's just too tough to navigate around the cap and not have weak spots on a roster. So you try to build dominant fields of the team and hope that those strengths cam augment the rest of the roster.

I'd try to keep JPP but only at a relatively reasonable salary.

I'd build around Eli but if a franchise QB was available when NY is on the clock over the next 1-2-3 drafts i'd draft him without a moment's hesitation.

Add play makers. Don't look for position. Look for players. WR, LB, RB...TE...DE...any and all.

it can be fixed in one off season. And it hasn't been one off season anyway. This crumble and rebuild has been ongoing for 2-3 years now.

Next year we could be sitting on a 6-3 record and it shouldn't surprise anyone. We may not even need to have a huge off season to get there.

I would seriously consider burning the entire thing down.

Something about this franchise has been absolutely rotten for far too long. The non competitive games, guys looking like they're quitting, disconnect between players and coaches, weak personnel, etc..

Eli can still play. I know when you move into a new regime, they usually want to draft "their" guy but I think if you have a good player at the QB position, you keep him in place.

OBJ is the real deal. We know Cruz can play if he gets healthy. I really like Jennings. I like Richburg and Pugh. Everything else on the offensive side of the ball I'm either indifferent towards or could do without.

Defensively, the only guys I want back here are Hankins, DRC, Prince and Ayers. I still like Moore, Bromley is an unknown but he's obviously on a rookie deal and will be back. I'd let JPP go, I'd let Rolle go and again.. the other guys I'm either indifferent towards or think they're disposable.

I will always respect Tom Coughlin as a coach and a football man and he will be in the Giants ring of Honor and hopefully the HoF but I think the ship has left the harbor and is just gone. His messages are ringing hollow, it's not working. There are too many mistakes, too many non competitive games and too much of a disconnect.

Quinn should have been gone yesterday, Fewell's time is up. McAdoo is in a weird spot because I like him but it's hard to clean house but leave him in place.

Marc Ross should be gone.

I'm a fan of Jerry Reese in some regards but it's hard to ignore the fact that not one above average LB has been developed here on his watch. The OL was put on the back burner about 3 years too long. And there are just too many holes on the roster.

I think some serious changes need to be made. Something is very, very rotten about this team and it's not going away.

Who is your daddy, and what does he do?

I do not think you can tell whether it is coaching/personnel decisions or a combo of both. Since the answer is not clear to me, I think you have to start removing variables. I would start with a coaching change. Coughlin has had a great run but it is over. Unfortunately, due to age, anything involving him as coach is delaying the inevitable coaching change which will happen within the next few years. I would tell Reese, to pick a coach and fix the front office. If talent things have not improved in 2 to 3 years, he is gone too.

Eli is a tougher call. He can still play, but I do not know what his contract demands are going to be. Part of the talent problem is having a QB take up a large part of the salary cap. I would hope a contract could be worked out that would lower his cap number but I do not know if he'd take any sort of discount.

by trading JPP and Rolle this year.

Next year I would offer TC an executive role in the orginization, if declined he should be forced to retire.

Hire a new head coach and allow the new head coach to assemble his own staff.

This team needs a make over on key players and coaching staff.

Coughlin, Fewell, and Quinn.

I'm not a fan of Marc Ross and his drafts have sucked...BUT...this past draft looks good. Beckham, Williams, Richburg, Bromley, and Kennard all look like they have a future here. I'm probably going to give him another shot and hope this is the start of something good.

I would also keep JPP. He's going to make about $2mil next year? Let him play out his contract and audition for a new team. I would cut Kiwi though. I'd also bring back Rolle if I can do it at a reasonable cost. I'd bring in another safety to start beside him this year and worry about his replacement the year after.

I like DRC and Prince as our corners. Not much more you can do about depth though. We had it to start the season, but the more CB's the Giants sign the more end up on IR. Its weird. What more can you do?

I would like to see a new starting MLB next year also. We don't need a Patrick Willis - just a guy who is smart and instinctive and can tackle. There are usually a few of these guys available every year and the Giants always turn their noses up at them.

I really feel as though the offense is only a few pieces away. But all of those pieces are on the offensive line. Walton isn't working out. I'd look for his replacement or move Richburg to Center and find another Guard to work with Schwartz (provided he plays well this year). I don't know if they can dump Beatty yet but I'd only do it if I can bring in someone else better.

I'd also look to draft another wideout early in case Cruz doesn't make it back to the dynamic player he was before.

I like Jennings at RB and I think Williams is going to be really good if he can just learn to be patient. Donnell is also coming along.

In comment 11976152 JPinstripes said:

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by trading JPP and Rolle this year. Next year I would offer TC an executive role in the orginization, if declined he should be forced to retire. Hire a new head coach and allow the new head coach to assemble his own staff. This team needs a make over on key players and coaching staff.

Somebody doesn't know when the NFL trade deadline was.

This thread made me look at the roster link on BBI to see who is under contract for next year. I have linked it below. Read it and weep. We are a team severely lacking in talent. It is not even a question.

I love Coughlin but this team has too often showed a lack of intestinal fortitude over the past 2-3 seasons. I would like to keep him but I don't think it is the right thing to do anymore.

If Coughlin is moving on I would probably ax Reese/Ross too because Coughlins failures are as much about the players he has had the past few years as they are about anything.

Problem with that is the Giants never completely blow up their franchise so I don't see that happening.

Look at this mess - ( New Window )

I'd keep TC and McAdoo for another year. Why? TC has a solid overall record; is a good coach; and, you need continuity for year #2 in McAdoo's offense.

Fire Fewell, and the special teams, OL coach for sure. Bring in a good young DC. NY will attract good names, coaches.

Cut those players you know aren't giving their all this year.

If we lose to SF, and I believe we will based on our play these last 10 quarters, you begin playing the youth. Interject Schwartz on the OL at OG and move Richburg to Center and see what you have for the last six games of the year.

Play TE Robinson, DE Moore, LB Kennard and S Behre more and see what you have.

I want TC for one more year because this offense can get a serious RT this off-season and improve on the OL. You hope Cruz gets back to form; Donnell & Robinson develop at TE; and, we draft well again.

The Giants defense will be purged of players and coaches. I think they'll can at least improve to "middle of the pack" if guys come back healthy (Beason, Thurmond (re-signed), Prince, Taylor, etc., and we do well with our offseason UFa and draft decisions.

but it would take me so long to type in an answer..

on our team than JPP?

How in the world can the Giants sign him up for a king's ransom?

I think JPP's 2015 is a player option and the money is nowhere near where he'd get on the open market so unless we negotiate a new deal before then, he's gone.

I'm not sure I'd even mind at this point. The guy is an excellent run defending DE and he's good enough as a pass rusher but he's going to get a LOT of money and I just don't know if I'd want to clog up the cap in giving him a large contract.

He also says a lot of shit that annoys me. He doesn't seem to have grown up at all since he came into the league.

In that case I'd probably let him go as well. I agree with everything you said. He's probably going to want a lot more than he's worth.

We can't afford to give JPP big $. We got so many needs that giving a ton of $ to one player isn't the best option.

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to start. First thing I would do is keep Eli. We have a franchise QB and that is the hardest thing to find in the NFL and the most valuable. Eli is more valuable than any coach or GM or other player. Reese needs to go ASAP. The entire player evaluation dept needs to be overhauled. This is a colossal failure of the entire department. Fewell and and Quinn need to go ASAP. No words needed. Beyond that I would not resign JPP or Rolle on the defensive side of the ball. Need the cap room. I would make a ply to bring in Suh from Detroit. The man is nasty, plays hard every down and is exactly what this team needs to set the tone for the attitude and effort needed to return the Giants to a Defense minded team. On the offense we need a lot of work on O-Line. Move Richburg to Center, drop Walton and Jerry and we need to draft a solid guard maybe in round 2 or 3. I would consider spending a #1 pick on WR again. I doubt Cruz is going to have the speed he used to have. Randle sucks and we need a full compliment of receiving threats. We also need another top RB. There are so many needs it's hard to articulate them in one post.

You made some good points, but you forgot to mention the biggest problem...TC. He is the head coach and his assistants have to adhere to his philosophys. In the last few games, they played competitive in the first half, then when the opposition makesd adjustments, the Giant totally tank. PF is under TC AND BOTH OF THEM SHOULD GO AFTER THE SEASON

Coaching:

- Most if not all need to go - not because they're bad coaches, but because the results aren't changing under them with different personnel, which tends to point to the coaching having become ineffective. It's been a long time, can't really think of any coach beyond Belichick who's been with a team this long in the parity era and been effective.

I'd have Coughlin assume a FO role and elevate McAdoo to HC *if* that's the guy they were honestly assuming was going to take the reigns from TC. Ideally, he'd have a year or two more to grow under TC, but I think we need a bigger shakeup than that.

I don't think most of the defensive problems are on Fewell, but I've never thought he was better than average as a DC. We can try to do better there.

Front Office:

- Ross needs to go. Aside from the generally shitty luck that we've had the past few years, it seems like Reese's elevation and Ross' hiring coincided with the start of some bad drafting. His record before he arrived wasn't exactly spotless either. Another guy who would be considered average at best, we can do better here too.

- Reese needs to be more hands-on - put Coughlin in the FO with some sort of VP title, and have Reese and Coughlin share the workload (*not* the GM title). There are non-personnel related functions that fall onto the GM, maybe spreading it out a bit would give Reese more time to focus on talent evaluation.

- Chris Mara needs to go. I don't know if he's a problem, but I don't think that I could do a proper evaluation of my FO if I were his brother, knowing I was getting inside feedback that might be biased. I doubt he's the liability that most BBIers make him out to be, but any positive he brings to the table is offset by that bias.

- Scouts - something stinks in our inability to develop a decent LB or OL the past decade. I'm not talking about great ones, I'm talking about serviceable backups. Either we're drafting guys who are complete shit (scouting) or we can't coach either of those positions for shit. Again, reading some of the draft writeups on the guys we get, they seem to be coming in with at least some potential that ends up never being realized.


The whole Coughlin/McAdoo dynamic is going to be key, *IF* (big if) he was the guy they were planning on taking over. I'm not sure how willing Coughlin would be to stick around in that capacity, with his last season coaching on the field yielding such a shitty record. I do think Coughlin would make a good FO man, and I think that Reese is an excellent talent evaluator - the two combined would make a great team, if the dynamic is right.

like to have Iupati on the OL I think his cost might be prohibitive;perhaps not. That highlights for me that going for Gabe Jackson or Trai Turner in the 3rd round rather than Bromley will be a subject re-visited in 3 years a la the Unger v. Sintim pick. The 2014 draft was unique in the availablity of immediate starting quality on the OL. The Beckham-Richburg picks were outstanding.

I'm in favor of moving Pugh to LG if Reese thinks there is a starter available at RT around the 3rd round. Someone like Ty Sambrailo, Daryl Williams or Corey Robinson.

In my view, the offense will be exceptional with 2 additional starting OL. We can hope Schwartz is one. You can draft Beatty's successor in someone like La'el Collins and let him play OG until Beatty is gone. Or, gamble for a starting RT in the middle of the draft. All that said, if they want to pay for Iupati, that's great with me. But, I'm not seeing it.

I'd like to keep Rolle. JPP has to be signed at a very team friendly cost and I don't see that happening. Otherwise, there are many holes in the defense with the draft possibly providing a few immediate starters. I think Shaq Thompson may be the best defensive player in the draft and do not see him coming off the field as many assume with an OLB. Right now, unless they go LT in the first round,or Gregory at DE is available, I'm hoping for Thompson.

There are many safeties that can start or play early available in 2nd-4th rounds, like Derron Smith, Prewitt,Mills,Drummond,& Harris.

Keep all of Prince,DRC,McBride, Fenner & re-sign Thurmond as CBs. Dump Hosley,Bowman, Demps & Brown.

Finding a MLB out of thin air will be a major problem, unless they prefer Perryman at MLB over Thompson at OLB. Otherwise, they stick with McClain.

Fewell & Quinn are gone and McAdoo continues his audition as the future HC. Not sure who I'd like as DC but he has to have major input on the defensive staff.