My memory is in and out in regards to Dan Reeves coaching here.
-What was the reaction of the hire? Obviously he brought a lot of credibility off of a disastrous two seasons.
I remember the 11-5 season and playoff win against Minnesota, but then got smoked in SF. The following year they went 9-7 and misses the playoffs.
Reeves had it tough in that it was a transition from the Simms & LT years.
Were there any Giant fans who wanted him to stay after 96? Were most fans happy to see him go?
I find it interesting because Reeves got a job again soon after and did pretty well with the Falcons.
Some folks in Cleveland have had a few instances where they weren't happy, but I can't remember it elsewhere.
I also, sort of, remember the whole thing souring (relatively) quickly. For more than one reason. So by the time he left, I don't recall being upset.
Uh...Cowboy fans are still pissed about Landry being fired, despite the three subsequent Super Bowls..
It felt like the offense was ahead of its time, but the QB just wasn't there after Simms was cut. I suppose we deserved it...you don't cut Phil Simms and expect the gods to be ok with that.
The first choice, of course, was....
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Next to winning a SB, I think a HC getting fired is a lot of fan's favorite thing
Uh...Cowboy fans are still pissed about Landry being fired, despite the three subsequent Super Bowls..
touche....but that was a pretty extraordinary circumstance
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and perceived by many as settling.
The first choice, of course, was....
I know they asked Coughlin and Dave Wannstetd. Was TC the first choice?`
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and perceived by many as settling.
The first choice, of course, was....
I know they asked Coughlin and Dave Wannstetd. Was TC the first choice?`
Yep, and Wannstedt was #2.
I wish football coaches would dress up again on the sideline like they used to, instead of wearing fugly and awkward Nike NFL golf shirts or windbreakers. It brought a sense of gravitas to the game. Made watching the NFL on Sunday feel more like a tradition and less like a commercial.
Coaches in suits and Jim Gordon on the radio. That's how I remember the early Reeves era.
When you think about it Coughlin has been the coach for three insane upsets at three different places:
- BC over Notre Dame in '93
- Jacksonville over Denver in '96 playoffs
- XLII
Not bad.
He was not admired by fans or players.
Fassel wasn't hot in 1992, he was the Giants offensive coordinator after Handley delegated the job. He didn't get to be a hot coordinator until after his stops in Denver and Arizona.
As for Reeves, the bottom line was that he got the last gasp out of the Parcells core team and then after they transitioned to the Dave Brown era (which was the run Hampton into the ground era), Reeves began to clash with George Young on the setup that was agreed to (and coordinated with Frank Gifford). It reached a head in 1995 and by 1996, everyone was sick of it and we all knew that Reeves was not coming back.
Had Mike Sherrard remain healthy we would have went farther in the playoffs.
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I remember TC and Wannstedt.
Fassel wasn't hot in 1992, he was the Giants offensive coordinator after Handley delegated the job. He didn't get to be a hot coordinator until after his stops in Denver and Arizona.
As for Reeves, the bottom line was that he got the last gasp out of the Parcells core team and then after they transitioned to the Dave Brown era (which was the run Hampton into the ground era), Reeves began to clash with George Young on the setup that was agreed to (and coordinated with Frank Gifford). It reached a head in 1995 and by 1996, everyone was sick of it and we all knew that Reeves was not coming back.
Boomer Esiason's performance against NYG playing for the Cards in '96 reportedly left a big impression on the NYG brass.
When you think about it Coughlin has been the coach for three insane upsets at three different places:
- BC over Notre Dame in '93
- Jacksonville over Denver in '96 playoffs
- XLII
Not bad.
As a sophomore at BC in 1993, that was an amazing win, the BC students tore the goal posts down in the stadium and carried them to David Gordon's dorm room after he made the kick. Holtz was a complete dick running it up on BC in 1992 because he wanted to rub it in on the upstarts and he ran that fake punt up 38-0. Coughlin said afterwords that he passed up the Giants job, in part because he felt he had unfinished business at BC, including preparing to beat Notre Dame the next season pretty much the moment after they lost 51-3.
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11-5 and the Div round was very likely its full potential.
Had Mike Sherrard remain healthy we would have went farther in the playoffs.
I doubt it, even with him NYG was unlikely to defeat SF or Dallas in the playoffs, imo. Those two teams really cranked it up in the tourney and pulled away from the pack.
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11-5 and the Div round was very likely its full potential.
Had Mike Sherrard remain healthy we would have went farther in the playoffs.
Mike Sherrard was Jerry Rice compared to the WRs before that. I still remember him breaking one, and he stumbled and broke his hip.
I always found it funny that there was a perception that Reeves didn't get enough input on personnel w/ the Giants. I'm sure GY wanted to cut Landeta and bring in Mike Horan. If they'd kept Landeta they wouldn't have had to waste a 3rd rd pick on Maynard.
I always found it funny that there was a perception that Reeves didn't get enough input on personnel w/ the Giants. I'm sure GY wanted to cut Landeta and bring in Mike Horan. If they'd kept Landeta they wouldn't have had to waste a 3rd rd pick on Maynard.
I agree. It made my blood boil that Reeves would constantly battle Young when Young let him bring every piece of shit Bronco castoff he could get his hands on...
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11-5 and the Div round was very likely its full potential.
Had Mike Sherrard remain healthy we would have went farther in the playoffs.
Mike Sherrard was Jerry Rice compared to the WRs before that. I still remember him breaking one, and he stumbled and broke his hip.
My dad used to joke that instead of Gatorade, they needed to give Sherrard milk on the sidelines. That play was, I believe, the third broken bone he suffered in his short career and at least two of them were non-contact.
And I also did think he was a good hire, after all, he was a very accomplished coach.
But like all coaches that have the type of success he had in Denver, he wanted more power and say in personnel and that belonged to GY.
I always found it funny that there was a perception that Reeves didn't get enough input on personnel w/ the Giants. I'm sure GY wanted to cut Landeta and bring in Mike Horan. If they'd kept Landeta they wouldn't have had to waste a 3rd rd pick on Maynard.
Pepper was released because he didn't want to play SSLB in the new defense. He was coming up to be a free agent after 1993. When Reeves took over, the Giants signed Carlton Bailey to play on ILB and Pepper was the other. Banks was a free agent and the Giants slapped a franchise tag on him, and LT was coming back for his final season. As the offseason went along, the Broncos released Michael Brooks and the Giants decided to sign him and took the transition tag off Banks (who signed with Washington). Brooks was put in at ILB and Pepper was shifted to Banks' spot. Pepper wanted a new contract, but the Giants wouldn't give it to him and he complained about playing a new position, which he wasn't comfortable and wouldn't put up the numbers he wanted in order to get his contract and felt he was better than Bailey or Brooks. Along the way he threw in the NJ Broncos thing. Reeves decided it was time to send a message and cut him because he didn't want to play the position that the Giants wanted him to, and he gave the job to Corey Miller.
In the end, it was all about the money. Brooks and Bailey were given big money, so they had to play. Pepper wanted his money, either in 1993 or to set up for 1994. It became clear that the Giants and Pepper's interest didn't align anymore, so he had to go.
Then the 1993 record falsely lifted out expectations for a team that was in the process of being gutted. I always maintained that with another coach Brown could have been at least a decent QB. Reeves ruined him and then wrecked Hampton's career as well.
Cutting Simms was controversial to fans, but may have been the right call. It just should have been handled better so that publicly it didn't appear as brutal. I think if Simms were truly healthy, he would have taken the Cleveland job.
Horrible
I was also baffled that he no idea how to make use of Herschel Walker in 95. I realize Walker was old be the previous year in Philly he had over 500 yards rushing & receiving and was also 1 of the leagues top kick returners.
Hey, remember when Coleman Rudolph was our MLB? Good times!
Didn't like the Fassel but i thought he got very bad personnel to work with..Between changing the starter every year to not having any real offensive talent killed his momentum he had..
I drove down from Boston with my roommates to go to that game and the plan was to stay over by my parents house afterwards because of the long drive back and it being late. I was so pissed off after that game, that I couldn't sleep so we piled back in the car and they all slept while I drove back to Boston and got back to campus at 4 AM.