Andy Headen... faster than LT. Unfortunately for him he played on the Giants and was destined to play behind LT. If Headen was on our team now, he would be our best LB by far.
Lee Rouson, one of those "football players" who did everything right. A solid backup RB and an excellent special teams player.
Guys like this are the reason why we won back in the 80's. I dont think Parcells ever worried whether these two were doing their job.
was Larry Flowers. On multiple occasions, I heard the opposing players walk off after a play telling the coaches that Larry was fucking crazy. Not only would he get down there and make the tackle every time, but he would be punching the shit out of the guys trying to block him too.
Very true...our receivers were so bad for so long that guys like Lionel Manuel were the "cream of the crop."
Mike Sherrard flashed for half a season...Phil Simms said he never had a WR like him...and he breaks his hip being untouched.
Fast forward more than a decade and we get that nutball Plaxico who finally plays like a Pro Bowl WR.
Steve Smith breaks out and actually makes the Pro Bowl at a young age, and then he tears up his knee and ends up in Philly of all places... Sigh.
Fast forward again...without Victor Cruz...we don't win the fourth Super Bowl. Does he make it back?
There was a long stretch when Chris Calloway was, by far, the best WR on the team. I love Calloway, but wow.
And then..Nicks and Cruz. At the same time. It may never get that good again. But then Beckham comes along and looks like he could be the best of them all.
Cruz will be back. He works too hard. He's got too much character. OBJ, Cruz and another high draft pick. Yes, please.
crossing my fingers on Beckham...almost too good to be true...there is NO WAY he should be this good with ZERO training camp and preseason. He's playing outside and the slot?! Please, please stay healthy and focused.
How jinxed is this team this season? The moment Beckham starts playing, Cruz is gone for the season.
If you had Cruz, Beckham, and Donnell, that would be a problem. If Randle would just get his head out of his ass.
crossing my fingers on Beckham...almost too good to be true...there is NO WAY he should be this good with ZERO training camp and preseason. He's playing outside and the slot?! Please, please stay healthy and focused.
How jinxed is this team this season? The moment Beckham starts playing, Cruz is gone for the season.
If you had Cruz, Beckham, and Donnell, that would be a problem. If Randle would just get his head out of his ass.
Beckham and Donnell have a lot to learn still. I feel confident about next year, but that doesn't make me feel any better about wasting another year of Eli's prime.
The talent level in the NFL is so shallow that if you have a quarterback playing at a high level, it's almost impossible to make the playoffs. But the Giants are finding a way to do it this year. Eli is having one of his best seasons and yet the team isn't even competitive.
That's how bad the rest of the team is.
Fewell's defense was dead last in 2011 but got hot at the right time. They were dreadful in 2012 again. Got a lot better last year but that might be misleading given all of the dreadful and/or backup QBs we played.
So 3-out-of-4 seasons, the NYG defense has been the NFL's worst or near worst.
We legitimately worry about the OL, but damn, fix the defense.
the kid looks really, really special. After all the time he missed, I thought this was going to be a lost season. It seems he did use the time to learn the playbook / mental parts of the game.
I absolutely love the way he fights for the ball and it looks like he has a sick pair of hands.
His deep speed should really open up short routes / back shoulder throws. I think he needs to be targeted more: "Throw him the damn ball!"
This is the difference between football and basketball. Eli playing about as well as he ever has and we get our teeth kicked in weekly. One great player can take an NBA team to the finals. One great NFL player gets his ass kicked trying to make something of nothing.
We're close in some areas and far away in others.Next offseason is vital.
Something along the lines of "whatever wet get out of Beckham is a bonus"...I shutter to think what this team would look like without this bonus. Kid is a game breaker and will be for a long time if he stays healthy. I'm already worried about his rookie contact ending and losing him to free agency. Yes, I know he's only played 5 games, but he's been as good as advertised, and then some.
I agree the defense needs to start playing downhill. Needed are a nasty pass rushing DE, a dominant 3 down LB and a rangy safety. This has to happen next offseason. Plus an attacking defensive style. The Tampa 2 is crap.
Killer? Carl Banks. As for Larry Flowers. Back then story had it not only was he crazy on those special teams but he would run down the field screaming at the top of his lungs you can't block me you can't block me. That's one crazy dude.
Stacie Robinson, Joe Morris, Tony Galbreath. Bobby fourth and seventeen Johnson. Phil Simms. The Hoss, Jeff Hostetler.
Sorry to say It feels like we are heading into the dark ages when all we have to look forward too is looking back in time.
Maybe the best all around player the Giants ever had. Played RB, Split End, Flanker, reserve QB, and probably a few more I'm forgetting. A great Giant!
we signed rom the USFL.
Any leagues disbanding this offseason?
Or team in CFL?
I know he didn't play here, but Gary Zimmerman could find some hunting, fishing, and some trees to hug somewhere in NJ, PA or VA.
But the dude could not stay healthy. He'd catch a pass in the end zone and break his collarbone or something.
2007 after the win at Washington week 3 my friend next to me says he has formed a decent relationship with turner and proceeds to call him and puts me on the phone. I told him if we had him on the field that day we wouldn't have needed a goal line stand because he owned the skins back in the day. He laughed and agreed.
are missing Eric's original point. It's about having excellent backups who, once called to duty, did not drop the level of play that much. Lewis Tillman is a great example.
Also, Vencie Glenn? That guy was a good Charger but a horrible Giant. Plus he took out Bavaro's knee iirc. Let's cool off on the Canton talk.
Lee Rouson, one of those "football players" who did everything right. A solid backup RB and an excellent special teams player.
Guys like this are the reason why we won back in the 80's. I dont think Parcells ever worried whether these two were doing their job.
Bright or was it McQuay??? anyone? anyone?
The days when every WR with a pulse was going to be "the best WR the franchise ever had." He sure had his moments...
Mike Sherrard flashed for half a season...Phil Simms said he never had a WR like him...and he breaks his hip being untouched.
Fast forward more than a decade and we get that nutball Plaxico who finally plays like a Pro Bowl WR.
Steve Smith breaks out and actually makes the Pro Bowl at a young age, and then he tears up his knee and ends up in Philly of all places... Sigh.
Fast forward again...without Victor Cruz...we don't win the fourth Super Bowl. Does he make it back?
Mike Sherrard flashed for half a season...Phil Simms said he never had a WR like him...and he breaks his hip being untouched.
Fast forward more than a decade and we get that nutball Plaxico who finally plays like a Pro Bowl WR.
Steve Smith breaks out and actually makes the Pro Bowl at a young age, and then he tears up his knee and ends up in Philly of all places... Sigh.
Fast forward again...without Victor Cruz...we don't win the fourth Super Bowl. Does he make it back?
There was a long stretch when Chris Calloway was, by far, the best WR on the team. I love Calloway, but wow.
And then..Nicks and Cruz. At the same time. It may never get that good again. But then Beckham comes along and looks like he could be the best of them all.
Cruz will be back. He works too hard. He's got too much character. OBJ, Cruz and another high draft pick. Yes, please.
How jinxed is this team this season? The moment Beckham starts playing, Cruz is gone for the season.
If you had Cruz, Beckham, and Donnell, that would be a problem. If Randle would just get his head out of his ass.
How jinxed is this team this season? The moment Beckham starts playing, Cruz is gone for the season.
If you had Cruz, Beckham, and Donnell, that would be a problem. If Randle would just get his head out of his ass.
Beckham and Donnell have a lot to learn still. I feel confident about next year, but that doesn't make me feel any better about wasting another year of Eli's prime.
The talent level in the NFL is so shallow that if you have a quarterback playing at a high level, it's almost impossible to make the playoffs. But the Giants are finding a way to do it this year. Eli is having one of his best seasons and yet the team isn't even competitive.
That's how bad the rest of the team is.
Fewell's defense was dead last in 2011 but got hot at the right time. They were dreadful in 2012 again. Got a lot better last year but that might be misleading given all of the dreadful and/or backup QBs we played.
So 3-out-of-4 seasons, the NYG defense has been the NFL's worst or near worst.
We legitimately worry about the OL, but damn, fix the defense.
I absolutely love the way he fights for the ball and it looks like he has a sick pair of hands.
His deep speed should really open up short routes / back shoulder throws. I think he needs to be targeted more: "Throw him the damn ball!"
That's where we miss Wilson too. He would have been a good fit for this offense.
We're close in some areas and far away in others.Next offseason is vital.
Robert Harris - DL
Vencie Glenn - one of best Giant safeties ever
...very over-rated.
Very.
Robert Harris - DL
Vencie Glenn - one of best Giant safeties ever
Whoa there. Glenn was a very good player who had a nice single season with us. But that's a bit of overstatement, don't you think?
Funny, I just googled Lurtsema and none of the pics look nearly as bad as I remember :)
Jimmy Robinson on specials.
William Roberts. Would love to have guys with their toughness on this team.
Stacie Robinson, Joe Morris, Tony Galbreath. Bobby fourth and seventeen Johnson. Phil Simms. The Hoss, Jeff Hostetler.
Sorry to say It feels like we are heading into the dark ages when all we have to look forward too is looking back in time.
Could cover, great range, and could really hit.
but, admittedly - this is based on memory
also look at his Viking highlights to get a sense of his abilities.
Could cover, great range, and could really hit.
but, admittedly - this is based on memory
Glenn covered a lot of ground and made some big plays, but ranking him among the best ever just rubs me wrong. He was here one year!
Where did I rank him among the greatest ever in franchise history?
That's where we miss Wilson too. He would have been a good fit for this offense.
Eric, this conversation is not complete without a mention of Thomas Lewis. Talked about unfulfilled potential.
Now that I think of it, would have been nice to have the Denver Bronco's version of Ed McCaffrey...
Cool. Can't wait to see where you rank Martellus Bennett ahead of Shockey and Bavaro!
but yeah whatever,
ignore the initial premise of it if you think it is inaccurate, but the general theme is the same.
Any leagues disbanding this offseason?
Or team in CFL?
I know he didn't play here, but Gary Zimmerman could find some hunting, fishing, and some trees to hug somewhere in NJ, PA or VA.
(Surprised they were still left for me to mention!)
http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/F/FredTu00.htm
2007 after the win at Washington week 3 my friend next to me says he has formed a decent relationship with turner and proceeds to call him and puts me on the phone. I told him if we had him on the field that day we wouldn't have needed a goal line stand because he owned the skins back in the day. He laughed and agreed.
Cook story bro I know.
Also, Vencie Glenn? That guy was a good Charger but a horrible Giant. Plus he took out Bavaro's knee iirc. Let's cool off on the Canton talk.