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Giants on pace to break their own injury record

Danny Kanell : 11/15/2014 2:08 pm
Just saw on Facebook. No link. We set an all time nfl record for injuries in a season in 2013 and we are likely going to break it in 2014.

WTF is going on here?
Records, like bones...  
Milton : 11/15/2014 2:10 pm : link
...are made to be broken.
Credit Giants 101 post  
Danny Kanell : 11/15/2014 2:10 pm : link
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We're starting to look at the full tally of injuries plaguing the Giants this season, and it's almost hard to believe that they're on a pace to crush last year's numbers. And keep in mind, the team set an all-time record for injuries a season ago.

We'll keep a close eye on it, but it appears as if the Giants will break their own record and, for the second straight season, be the most injured team in NFL history. #nyg #giants #NFL
Coincidence ?  
PEEJ : 11/15/2014 2:13 pm : link
Turf ? Equipment ?
i blame the medical staff  
spike : 11/15/2014 2:19 pm : link
and the training strafe
They practice on grass  
Joey in VA : 11/15/2014 2:21 pm : link
Then play on shitty field turf, any wonder we get so many in game injuries? Don't expect a change until we stop playing on plastic and ground up rubber, which will never happen because the Maras and Woody want to gouge you for every penny they can and they don't give two shits about their players' safety when they can use MetLife to host whenever and whatever is willing to fork over the $.
I find it hard to blame the medical/training staff  
PEEJ : 11/15/2014 2:21 pm : link
for broken toes, patella tendons and concussions.
I wonder where the Jets rank on  
PEEJ : 11/15/2014 2:25 pm : link
the injury list.
Where are the numbers?  
ballanda : 11/15/2014 2:29 pm : link
What is this statistic based on? IR count? Unique appearances on the injury report?
PEEJ  
Danny Kanell : 11/15/2014 2:31 pm : link
The Jets ranked 11th in 2013

Guess that hurts Joey's theory.
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Danny Kanell : 11/15/2014 2:32 pm : link
It's adjusted games lost to injury, I'm guessing that 101 uses
Pretty amazing  
Danny Kanell : 11/15/2014 2:35 pm : link
The Giants were 25h in 2012 also. This can't be coincidence, can it?
We have 13 guys on season ENDING IR  
Big Rick in FL : 11/15/2014 2:49 pm : link
Plus Schwartz on short term IR. Then we have guys like Trindon Holliday, Manningham who were placed on IR and then waived. So 15 players that are out for the year plus Schwartz who has missed 10 games so far. Add that to the these guys who have missed a good amount of games. Jennings, Cullen Jenkins, Devon Kennard, Beckham Jr. Plus nagging injuries to JPP & DRC and there is no way we could have had a successful season.

At this point I hope we don't win meaningless games like last year and get a worst draft pick. Yes last year worked out for us very well with the selection of Beckham. We should not have been picking outside of the top 10 last year. I hope the same doesn't happen this year. If we keep playing like we have been we have 3 maybe 4 wins left on the schedule. Only teams left I can't see us losing to are Jacksonville and Tennessee. The Rams and Skins can both beat us. The 49ers, Cowboys and Philly should beat us. I hate losing, but if somehow lose most of these games & we can beat Philly to keep them out of the playoffs I'd be ecstatic.
But I thought everyone has injuries  
BillT : 11/15/2014 3:03 pm : link
Of course they do, but not like this. Not even close.
Injuries to other players are why we don't know how to seal an edge  
Bold Ruler : Mod : 11/15/2014 3:05 pm : link
Damn you team injuries for making even the non-injured players totally brain dead!!!
I do not  
rocco8112 : 11/15/2014 3:09 pm : link
know if that turf thing is true. But, if I owned the team I would look into it.

Football is meant to be played on grass though.
God controls everything  
scott in albany : 11/15/2014 3:12 pm : link
It's on him.
at least  
spike : 11/15/2014 3:14 pm : link
they are the BEST In something.

The NFL should award them the Crutches Glass Trophy
systemic  
area junc : 11/15/2014 3:24 pm : link
how can this possibly happen? it was the same story under by boy Jim Fassel. we changed the entire weight room too. the only constants are ronnie barnes and dr. warren
Injuries did not cause this years fuckups  
Dry Lightning : 11/15/2014 3:28 pm : link
And the way we handled some injuries had a big part in the screw-ups. We stink. Hope for the future if we fire Fewell.
injuries are a cancer  
Ninja : 11/15/2014 3:33 pm : link
Ill see myself out.
How are the jets with injuries  
Chaka : 11/15/2014 3:52 pm : link
Would help prove / disprove the stadium theory
Already answered  
Chaka : 11/15/2014 3:53 pm : link
thanks
I could of sworn  
Gmen in 2012 : 11/15/2014 3:54 pm : link
2006 was much worse. Even 05 when we had Terrell Buckley Jay Foreman and Kevin Lewis all off the street playing for us the last few games
RE: They practice on grass  
BigBlueinChicago : 11/15/2014 4:02 pm : link
In comment 11978776 Joey in VA said:
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Then play on shitty field turf, any wonder we get so many in game injuries? Don't expect a change until we stop playing on plastic and ground up rubber, which will never happen because the Maras and Woody want to gouge you for every penny they can and they don't give two shits about their players' safety when they can use MetLife to host whenever and whatever is willing to fork over the $.


Then why don't the Jets have the same high rate of injuries?

They play 1/2 of their season's games in the same stadium and last season had the fewest starters lost to injury of any team in the NFL.
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Payback for  
oldutican : 11/15/2014 4:17 pm : link
winning 2 SBs.
RE: RE: They practice on grass  
Mad Mike : 11/15/2014 4:21 pm : link
In comment 11978851 BigBlueinChicago said:
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Then why don't the Jets have the same high rate of injuries?

They play 1/2 of their season's games in the same stadium and last season had the fewest starters lost to injury of any team in the NFL.

You should know better than to expect a rational review of the facts.
Well...  
ThatLimerickGuy : 11/15/2014 5:32 pm : link
Some of you guys sound retarded
and your stupid theories are easily discarded

To blame the trainers and docs
and put them on the chopping block

Makes your opinion stink like a fat guy who farted
I don't believe in coincidences  
Bill in UT : 11/15/2014 5:32 pm : link
If they're consistently near the top, then the problem is unique to the team- poor player selection, poor conditioning, poor medical staff, whatever, something that they're doing different.
People blaming the poor medical staff are idiots  
gmen1234 : 11/15/2014 5:40 pm : link
Theres only one logical reason: PERRY FEWELL!
HA!  
FatMan in Charlotte : 11/15/2014 6:23 pm : link
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systemic
area junc : 3:24 pm : link : reply
how can this possibly happen? it was the same story under by boy Jim Fassel. we changed the entire weight room too. the only constants are ronnie barnes and dr. warren


Are you that much of a fucking idiot?

How does a doctor who doesn't get involved until after injuries happen or a trainer who is there to tape up ankles, knees, etc. responsible for torn biceps, ACL's, concussions and the like?

It amazes me how ignorant people are on BBI regarding what the athletic training staff and the medical staff actually do.
"fucking idiot..."  
Daniel in Kentucky : 11/15/2014 6:47 pm : link
Thanks, FMIC

Never crossed your patient sensitive exhaustive persona that the poster could be a child, handicapped, medicated on their death bed, etc...
You're a classy guy.
Thanks for the post.
It..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 11/15/2014 6:51 pm : link
is the former poster known as Thomas, who famously backslapped himself for bowling over a catcher in a recreational softball league and then became area junc and claimed to be an insider.

Anyone who is around a football team would know what the fucking roles are of the trainers and the team doctor and would realize that it would be damn near impossible for either of them to prevent injuries.

But then again - this is BBI - a BBI that just a few days ago had a poster claiming that the Giants "Medical Program Director" needs to be held accountable. Too bad that position doesn't even fucking exist.
Who is the ignorant one?  
Daniel in Kentucky : 11/15/2014 6:54 pm : link
"We are responsible for the complete health care of these players -- whether it is an orthopedic or general medical issue -- and that is something we take great pride in. "
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They are responsible for..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 11/15/2014 6:56 pm : link
the care of the players AFTER they have been hurt. They can't prevent injuries.

I have spent the better part of two decades in and around the training rooms. I'm fully aware of what trainers do and what they don't, and I've tried several times to pass that kind of information along to the BBI posters who try to lay blame with a group that is there as caretakers and to assist with rehab - not to keep players from getting injured.
As a matter of fact..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 11/15/2014 6:58 pm : link
if you simply kept reading the link you would have been able to quote this:

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The ultimate goal during the week is to return the player to football safely and as quickly as possible.

Once a player gets injured, we work very closely with our team physicians to evaluate that injury and arrive at a prompt and accurate diagnosis. We then decide the appropriate actions following the injury -- whether it is further evaluation by a specialist, diagnostic imaging, surgery or implementing treatment and rehabilitation programs.


What part of that discusses the prevention of injuries? Notice the part "Once a player gets injured"??
Thanks FATMAN  
old man : 11/15/2014 7:54 pm : link
Please correct my mis-titling Ronnie Barnes.
Much appreciated.
Fatman  
Micko : 11/15/2014 8:04 pm : link
20 years around a training room. How do you get past the restraining order?
The maintenance of someone's overal  
Daniel in Kentucky : 11/15/2014 8:10 pm : link
health Could fall under preventative actions.
If a machine or the human body break down then it has and will continue to be linked to the preexisting condition of the system. I am not saying that the trainer is the reason for our current injury status. But, it is a possibility. To say that people who are responsible for someones overall health have no interaction with injuries is foolish in my opinion. If players are under hydrated it leads to cramps for example. There are responsibilities that fall under the umbrella of a trainer that have effects on injuries.
I'm done.
I would suppose that  
Essex : 11/15/2014 8:15 pm : link
signing a guy who had four surgeries in four years to a 3 million dollar deal had nothing to do with it
Or we should be shocked that a guy with an MCL history  
Essex : 11/15/2014 8:34 pm : link
Got an MCL, or the other RB, with a neck issue hurt his neck. And we planned so well for those gambles we put a rookie behind those two. This is just poor planning and it is the same GM who continues to discount injuries for value. The problem is that the player has no value when he doesn't play
Or a MLB with a huge injury history  
Essex : 11/15/2014 8:37 pm : link
We sign to big bucks and he surprise, gets injured again. Injuries happen to everyone but you can't have a lineup filled with players with injury histories and be surprised when they get injuredb
Football is a game of attrition  
JohnF : 11/15/2014 9:03 pm : link
#1) Older players who have logged time in the NFL are likely to have more injuries. I think the Giants were ranked 2nd to last in terms of average team age (the Raiders were the oldest). For comparison, the Jets were in the middle of the pack. This team needs to get younger, fast!

#2) I think the players are not recovering in time for Camp. The last few years I saw the team in Albany, you could see several players were not right the first few weeks in Camp (I think it's related to injuries coming from OTA's in some cases). I started to see less and less contact in camp.

At the time, I thought it was mostly for CTE prevention (heat injuries), but it also could have been TC trying to give as much time to the vets as he could to recover.

#3) I'm in the camp that thinks you need as much contact drills as possible in camp to get players ready for the grind of the season. Yes, some teams got away with less (the Bills during Jim Kelly's time), but I think players that go into the season without much contact are at risk, once they try to go full speed.

#4) We just are not a deep team, Deep teams can rotate players more often, and lessen the time each player plays...that makes a difference in injuries, as the longer you're out there, the more likely you'll get hurt.

#5) We are not a physical team, either. Physical teams deliver blows, and it's more likely you get injured receiving a hit vs giving a hit. You can't train properly if you're injured, so it's a vicious cycle.
Make that Head injuries  
JohnF : 11/15/2014 9:05 pm : link
not heat injuries
Lets face it folks....  
SGMen : 11/15/2014 9:05 pm : link
Had Beason, Cruz, Schwartz (Jerry sucks), Thurmond and McBride stayed healthy all year we might be in the chase for the playoffs.

Losing Will Hill also hurt and he wouldn't be part of the "AGL" count but in my mind his loss counts big as we have been torched in the middle of the field all season long.
Even with all the other injuries, I think the Giants would be 5-4  
GeofromNJ : 11/16/2014 12:02 am : link
if Jennings had not gone down. I think his injury hurt the Giants more than any other.
Don't Forget About David Wilson  
abqgiantfan : 11/16/2014 12:53 am : link
Who had a career ending injury in camp.
This is a Colts website but someone there made up a sortable  
USAF NYG Fan : 11/16/2014 6:58 am : link
chart for every team in the last 5 years.

We have the worst total for the last 3 years. We are 2nd to the Colts the last 4 and 5 years. It look like we are right on pace to top the list again this year.

This is a major problem for this team. I don't see how we can say otherwise. We need to fix this.

Also of note; the Jets do not have this problem so I would say it's not the location. They are consistently on the better half of this list (mostly top 10). It must be specific to our team.

http://coltsauthority.com/2014-articles/injuries-anomalies-adjusted-games-lost-from-2009-2013.html - ( New Window )
RE: at least  
Dan_Soprano : 11/16/2014 7:41 am : link
In comment 11978820 spike said:
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they are the BEST In something.

The NFL should award them the Crutches Glass Trophy
bad idea. They'd probably break that too....
RE: This is a Colts website but someone there made up a sortable  
Doom5 : 11/16/2014 10:54 am : link
In comment 11979515 USAF NYG Fan said:
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chart for every team in the last 5 years.

We have the worst total for the last 3 years. We are 2nd to the Colts the last 4 and 5 years. It look like we are right on pace to top the list again this year.

This is a major problem for this team. I don't see how we can say otherwise. We need to fix this.

Also of note; the Jets do not have this problem so I would say it's not the location. They are consistently on the better half of this list (mostly top 10). It must be specific to our team. http://coltsauthority.com/2014-articles/injuries-anomalies-adjusted-games-lost-from-2009-2013.html - ( New Window )


I often talk to a PT that's decently in the know. He thinks the Giants are really old-school with their training staff and that many of the injuries guys sustain are preventable and shouldn't be occurring for instance, Beckham's hamstring. He also said that he was pretty impressed with what he's seen of the Seahawks training staff.

I remember on Bill Belichick's Football life, when he was in Giants stadium, he said basically besides the coaches, everyone is still there, except the ones that died.

So is  
Les in TO : 11/16/2014 10:59 am : link
It poor strength and conditioning? Bad stretching routines? Why is it such a chronic issue?
RE: So is  
Doom5 : 11/16/2014 1:18 pm : link
In comment 11979661 Les in TO said:
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It poor strength and conditioning? Bad stretching routines? Why is it such a chronic issue?


All of the above. Notice how the players change, but the injury bug stays? Points to the training staff.
RE: PEEJ  
Joey in VA : 11/17/2014 2:00 pm : link
In comment 11978785 Danny Kanell said:
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The Jets ranked 11th in 2013

Guess that hurts Joey's theory. Link - ( New Window )

Hurts it? It poops all over it. Our catastrophic injuries by and large occur on turf. I still don't think it's a safe or ideal playing surface, but I am certainly dead wrong here.
RE: RE: So is  
Joey in VA : 11/17/2014 2:02 pm : link
In comment 11979926 Doom5 said:
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In comment 11979661 Les in TO said:


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It poor strength and conditioning? Bad stretching routines? Why is it such a chronic issue?



All of the above. Notice how the players change, but the injury bug stays? Points to the training staff.

It's HOW they train, it has to be. It happened under Fassel too and Coughlin thought he had the cure. Clearly he doesn't. Strength and conditioning coaches are who is the culprit here then, not trainers.
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