We're starting to look at the full tally of injuries plaguing the Giants this season, and it's almost hard to believe that they're on a pace to crush last year's numbers. And keep in mind, the team set an all-time record for injuries a season ago.
We'll keep a close eye on it, but it appears as if the Giants will break their own record and, for the second straight season, be the most injured team in NFL history. #nyg #giants #NFL
Then play on shitty field turf, any wonder we get so many in game injuries? Don't expect a change until we stop playing on plastic and ground up rubber, which will never happen because the Maras and Woody want to gouge you for every penny they can and they don't give two shits about their players' safety when they can use MetLife to host whenever and whatever is willing to fork over the $.
I find it hard to blame the medical/training staff
Plus Schwartz on short term IR. Then we have guys like Trindon Holliday, Manningham who were placed on IR and then waived. So 15 players that are out for the year plus Schwartz who has missed 10 games so far. Add that to the these guys who have missed a good amount of games. Jennings, Cullen Jenkins, Devon Kennard, Beckham Jr. Plus nagging injuries to JPP & DRC and there is no way we could have had a successful season.
At this point I hope we don't win meaningless games like last year and get a worst draft pick. Yes last year worked out for us very well with the selection of Beckham. We should not have been picking outside of the top 10 last year. I hope the same doesn't happen this year. If we keep playing like we have been we have 3 maybe 4 wins left on the schedule. Only teams left I can't see us losing to are Jacksonville and Tennessee. The Rams and Skins can both beat us. The 49ers, Cowboys and Philly should beat us. I hate losing, but if somehow lose most of these games & we can beat Philly to keep them out of the playoffs I'd be ecstatic.
how can this possibly happen? it was the same story under by boy Jim Fassel. we changed the entire weight room too. the only constants are ronnie barnes and dr. warren
Then play on shitty field turf, any wonder we get so many in game injuries? Don't expect a change until we stop playing on plastic and ground up rubber, which will never happen because the Maras and Woody want to gouge you for every penny they can and they don't give two shits about their players' safety when they can use MetLife to host whenever and whatever is willing to fork over the $.
Then why don't the Jets have the same high rate of injuries?
They play 1/2 of their season's games in the same stadium and last season had the fewest starters lost to injury of any team in the NFL. Link - ( New Window )
If they're consistently near the top, then the problem is unique to the team- poor player selection, poor conditioning, poor medical staff, whatever, something that they're doing different.
systemic
area junc : 3:24 pm : link : reply
how can this possibly happen? it was the same story under by boy Jim Fassel. we changed the entire weight room too. the only constants are ronnie barnes and dr. warren
Are you that much of a fucking idiot?
How does a doctor who doesn't get involved until after injuries happen or a trainer who is there to tape up ankles, knees, etc. responsible for torn biceps, ACL's, concussions and the like?
It amazes me how ignorant people are on BBI regarding what the athletic training staff and the medical staff actually do.
Never crossed your patient sensitive exhaustive persona that the poster could be a child, handicapped, medicated on their death bed, etc...
You're a classy guy.
Thanks for the post.
is the former poster known as Thomas, who famously backslapped himself for bowling over a catcher in a recreational softball league and then became area junc and claimed to be an insider.
Anyone who is around a football team would know what the fucking roles are of the trainers and the team doctor and would realize that it would be damn near impossible for either of them to prevent injuries.
But then again - this is BBI - a BBI that just a few days ago had a poster claiming that the Giants "Medical Program Director" needs to be held accountable. Too bad that position doesn't even fucking exist.
"We are responsible for the complete health care of these players -- whether it is an orthopedic or general medical issue -- and that is something we take great pride in. " Link - ( New Window )
the care of the players AFTER they have been hurt. They can't prevent injuries.
I have spent the better part of two decades in and around the training rooms. I'm fully aware of what trainers do and what they don't, and I've tried several times to pass that kind of information along to the BBI posters who try to lay blame with a group that is there as caretakers and to assist with rehab - not to keep players from getting injured.
if you simply kept reading the link you would have been able to quote this:
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The ultimate goal during the week is to return the player to football safely and as quickly as possible.
Once a player gets injured, we work very closely with our team physicians to evaluate that injury and arrive at a prompt and accurate diagnosis. We then decide the appropriate actions following the injury -- whether it is further evaluation by a specialist, diagnostic imaging, surgery or implementing treatment and rehabilitation programs.
What part of that discusses the prevention of injuries? Notice the part "Once a player gets injured"??
health Could fall under preventative actions.
If a machine or the human body break down then it has and will continue to be linked to the preexisting condition of the system. I am not saying that the trainer is the reason for our current injury status. But, it is a possibility. To say that people who are responsible for someones overall health have no interaction with injuries is foolish in my opinion. If players are under hydrated it leads to cramps for example. There are responsibilities that fall under the umbrella of a trainer that have effects on injuries.
I'm done.
Got an MCL, or the other RB, with a neck issue hurt his neck. And we planned so well for those gambles we put a rookie behind those two. This is just poor planning and it is the same GM who continues to discount injuries for value. The problem is that the player has no value when he doesn't play
We sign to big bucks and he surprise, gets injured again. Injuries happen to everyone but you can't have a lineup filled with players with injury histories and be surprised when they get injuredb
#1) Older players who have logged time in the NFL are likely to have more injuries. I think the Giants were ranked 2nd to last in terms of average team age (the Raiders were the oldest). For comparison, the Jets were in the middle of the pack. This team needs to get younger, fast!
#2) I think the players are not recovering in time for Camp. The last few years I saw the team in Albany, you could see several players were not right the first few weeks in Camp (I think it's related to injuries coming from OTA's in some cases). I started to see less and less contact in camp.
At the time, I thought it was mostly for CTE prevention (heat injuries), but it also could have been TC trying to give as much time to the vets as he could to recover.
#3) I'm in the camp that thinks you need as much contact drills as possible in camp to get players ready for the grind of the season. Yes, some teams got away with less (the Bills during Jim Kelly's time), but I think players that go into the season without much contact are at risk, once they try to go full speed.
#4) We just are not a deep team, Deep teams can rotate players more often, and lessen the time each player plays...that makes a difference in injuries, as the longer you're out there, the more likely you'll get hurt.
#5) We are not a physical team, either. Physical teams deliver blows, and it's more likely you get injured receiving a hit vs giving a hit. You can't train properly if you're injured, so it's a vicious cycle.
Had Beason, Cruz, Schwartz (Jerry sucks), Thurmond and McBride stayed healthy all year we might be in the chase for the playoffs.
Losing Will Hill also hurt and he wouldn't be part of the "AGL" count but in my mind his loss counts big as we have been torched in the middle of the field all season long.
Even with all the other injuries, I think the Giants would be 5-4
We have the worst total for the last 3 years. We are 2nd to the Colts the last 4 and 5 years. It look like we are right on pace to top the list again this year.
This is a major problem for this team. I don't see how we can say otherwise. We need to fix this.
Also of note; the Jets do not have this problem so I would say it's not the location. They are consistently on the better half of this list (mostly top 10). It must be specific to our team.
We have the worst total for the last 3 years. We are 2nd to the Colts the last 4 and 5 years. It look like we are right on pace to top the list again this year.
This is a major problem for this team. I don't see how we can say otherwise. We need to fix this.
Also of note; the Jets do not have this problem so I would say it's not the location. They are consistently on the better half of this list (mostly top 10). It must be specific to our team. http://coltsauthority.com/2014-articles/injuries-anomalies-adjusted-games-lost-from-2009-2013.html - ( New Window )
I often talk to a PT that's decently in the know. He thinks the Giants are really old-school with their training staff and that many of the injuries guys sustain are preventable and shouldn't be occurring for instance, Beckham's hamstring. He also said that he was pretty impressed with what he's seen of the Seahawks training staff.
I remember on Bill Belichick's Football life, when he was in Giants stadium, he said basically besides the coaches, everyone is still there, except the ones that died.
Guess that hurts Joey's theory. Link - ( New Window )
Hurts it? It poops all over it. Our catastrophic injuries by and large occur on turf. I still don't think it's a safe or ideal playing surface, but I am certainly dead wrong here.
It poor strength and conditioning? Bad stretching routines? Why is it such a chronic issue?
All of the above. Notice how the players change, but the injury bug stays? Points to the training staff.
It's HOW they train, it has to be. It happened under Fassel too and Coughlin thought he had the cure. Clearly he doesn't. Strength and conditioning coaches are who is the culprit here then, not trainers.
We'll keep a close eye on it, but it appears as if the Giants will break their own record and, for the second straight season, be the most injured team in NFL history. #nyg #giants #NFL
Guess that hurts Joey's theory.
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At this point I hope we don't win meaningless games like last year and get a worst draft pick. Yes last year worked out for us very well with the selection of Beckham. We should not have been picking outside of the top 10 last year. I hope the same doesn't happen this year. If we keep playing like we have been we have 3 maybe 4 wins left on the schedule. Only teams left I can't see us losing to are Jacksonville and Tennessee. The Rams and Skins can both beat us. The 49ers, Cowboys and Philly should beat us. I hate losing, but if somehow lose most of these games & we can beat Philly to keep them out of the playoffs I'd be ecstatic.
Football is meant to be played on grass though.
The NFL should award them the Crutches Glass Trophy
Then why don't the Jets have the same high rate of injuries?
They play 1/2 of their season's games in the same stadium and last season had the fewest starters lost to injury of any team in the NFL.
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They play 1/2 of their season's games in the same stadium and last season had the fewest starters lost to injury of any team in the NFL.
You should know better than to expect a rational review of the facts.
and your stupid theories are easily discarded
To blame the trainers and docs
and put them on the chopping block
Makes your opinion stink like a fat guy who farted
area junc : 3:24 pm : link : reply
how can this possibly happen? it was the same story under by boy Jim Fassel. we changed the entire weight room too. the only constants are ronnie barnes and dr. warren
Are you that much of a fucking idiot?
How does a doctor who doesn't get involved until after injuries happen or a trainer who is there to tape up ankles, knees, etc. responsible for torn biceps, ACL's, concussions and the like?
It amazes me how ignorant people are on BBI regarding what the athletic training staff and the medical staff actually do.
Never crossed your patient sensitive exhaustive persona that the poster could be a child, handicapped, medicated on their death bed, etc...
You're a classy guy.
Thanks for the post.
Anyone who is around a football team would know what the fucking roles are of the trainers and the team doctor and would realize that it would be damn near impossible for either of them to prevent injuries.
But then again - this is BBI - a BBI that just a few days ago had a poster claiming that the Giants "Medical Program Director" needs to be held accountable. Too bad that position doesn't even fucking exist.
Link - ( New Window )
I have spent the better part of two decades in and around the training rooms. I'm fully aware of what trainers do and what they don't, and I've tried several times to pass that kind of information along to the BBI posters who try to lay blame with a group that is there as caretakers and to assist with rehab - not to keep players from getting injured.
Once a player gets injured, we work very closely with our team physicians to evaluate that injury and arrive at a prompt and accurate diagnosis. We then decide the appropriate actions following the injury -- whether it is further evaluation by a specialist, diagnostic imaging, surgery or implementing treatment and rehabilitation programs.
What part of that discusses the prevention of injuries? Notice the part "Once a player gets injured"??
Much appreciated.
If a machine or the human body break down then it has and will continue to be linked to the preexisting condition of the system. I am not saying that the trainer is the reason for our current injury status. But, it is a possibility. To say that people who are responsible for someones overall health have no interaction with injuries is foolish in my opinion. If players are under hydrated it leads to cramps for example. There are responsibilities that fall under the umbrella of a trainer that have effects on injuries.
I'm done.
#2) I think the players are not recovering in time for Camp. The last few years I saw the team in Albany, you could see several players were not right the first few weeks in Camp (I think it's related to injuries coming from OTA's in some cases). I started to see less and less contact in camp.
At the time, I thought it was mostly for CTE prevention (heat injuries), but it also could have been TC trying to give as much time to the vets as he could to recover.
#3) I'm in the camp that thinks you need as much contact drills as possible in camp to get players ready for the grind of the season. Yes, some teams got away with less (the Bills during Jim Kelly's time), but I think players that go into the season without much contact are at risk, once they try to go full speed.
#4) We just are not a deep team, Deep teams can rotate players more often, and lessen the time each player plays...that makes a difference in injuries, as the longer you're out there, the more likely you'll get hurt.
#5) We are not a physical team, either. Physical teams deliver blows, and it's more likely you get injured receiving a hit vs giving a hit. You can't train properly if you're injured, so it's a vicious cycle.
Losing Will Hill also hurt and he wouldn't be part of the "AGL" count but in my mind his loss counts big as we have been torched in the middle of the field all season long.
We have the worst total for the last 3 years. We are 2nd to the Colts the last 4 and 5 years. It look like we are right on pace to top the list again this year.
This is a major problem for this team. I don't see how we can say otherwise. We need to fix this.
Also of note; the Jets do not have this problem so I would say it's not the location. They are consistently on the better half of this list (mostly top 10). It must be specific to our team.
http://coltsauthority.com/2014-articles/injuries-anomalies-adjusted-games-lost-from-2009-2013.html - ( New Window )
The NFL should award them the Crutches Glass Trophy
We have the worst total for the last 3 years. We are 2nd to the Colts the last 4 and 5 years. It look like we are right on pace to top the list again this year.
This is a major problem for this team. I don't see how we can say otherwise. We need to fix this.
Also of note; the Jets do not have this problem so I would say it's not the location. They are consistently on the better half of this list (mostly top 10). It must be specific to our team. http://coltsauthority.com/2014-articles/injuries-anomalies-adjusted-games-lost-from-2009-2013.html - ( New Window )
I often talk to a PT that's decently in the know. He thinks the Giants are really old-school with their training staff and that many of the injuries guys sustain are preventable and shouldn't be occurring for instance, Beckham's hamstring. He also said that he was pretty impressed with what he's seen of the Seahawks training staff.
I remember on Bill Belichick's Football life, when he was in Giants stadium, he said basically besides the coaches, everyone is still there, except the ones that died.
All of the above. Notice how the players change, but the injury bug stays? Points to the training staff.
Guess that hurts Joey's theory. Link - ( New Window )
Hurts it? It poops all over it. Our catastrophic injuries by and large occur on turf. I still don't think it's a safe or ideal playing surface, but I am certainly dead wrong here.
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It poor strength and conditioning? Bad stretching routines? Why is it such a chronic issue?
All of the above. Notice how the players change, but the injury bug stays? Points to the training staff.
It's HOW they train, it has to be. It happened under Fassel too and Coughlin thought he had the cure. Clearly he doesn't. Strength and conditioning coaches are who is the culprit here then, not trainers.