this game is on Eli and the offense. You are not going to win with 5 interceptions. The defense played exceptionally well today considering most of the guys out there should not even be in the NFL. The Giants are a really, really bad team. Really bad... There are so many holes that they will also be a very bad team next year and potentially the year after that. I think you have to make a change to the staff. Coughlin is a phenomenal coach, but all great coaches have a lifespan for a franchise. It's time to move on and build the team into a much more physical team. Talent wins in the NFL. The Giants have little to no talent.
that people want Reese to pick the next head coach or want to keep his drafting philosophy intact.
You know otherwise smart people like Colin.
Is it a matter of want or just accepting that that is what is going to happen?
The team isn't firing Jerry Reese any time soon, regardless of what any of us feel should happen. He's going to have some say (not the full 100% say, obviously) in the next HC and will get to find his "own" franchise QB too before they even consider changing GMs.
Pretending that isn't reality or ranting about it is a waste of time.
seem to find so many creative ways of losing. This one was infuriating because they had every chance to pull it out yet they just can't get out of their own way.
Feel for TC! I truly believe he's a much better coach then what we have seen. He definitely is loyal to a fault for example: Quin, Flaherty, Fewell. I believe it definitely is a talent issue that lies at the feet of Reese. If there is going to be wholesale changes, Reese should be held as accountable as anyone else on the staff.
this game is on Eli and the offense. You are not going to win with 5 interceptions. The defense played exceptionally well today considering most of the guys out there should not even be in the NFL. The Giants are a really, really bad team. Really bad... There are so many holes that they will also be a very bad team next year and potentially the year after that. I think you have to make a change to the staff. Coughlin is a phenomenal coach, but all great coaches have a lifespan for a franchise. It's time to move on and build the team into a much more physical team. Talent wins in the NFL. The Giants have little to no talent.
To get the talent, you have to get somebody who can get talent. We have Reese.
Well, we went from about 12th pick to 7th or so in one game.
Can't believe I'm going to the Jags game during a season like this. May be a chance to see the last win of the TC era. I'd like to shake the guy's hand. Hes been a good HC for us and always gave us 100%, unlike some players.
And do you give JPP $, or Eli an extension after this? Or do you let JPP go and perhaps see what you can get in a trade for Manning? JPP isn't worth the contract he'll get, and Eli is certainly not elite. Elite QBs don't have games like this or years with 27 INTs, even with WRs running awful routes.
BTW, if the officials called the game fairly on that next to last possession, we should have had two PI penalties called for us. Of course the officials didn't have the guts to make those calls.
we played well, and battled lol. He said we played WELL!!!
Agree with his statement that our special teams played better. They did. Actually the best kickoff returns in the past couple of years....since that huge game by Wilson
went down. There is no way to run over the Jerry/Brown tandem and Brown did exactly nothing against the pass rush. Eli is lucky to have survived the game with what was going on out there for 2+ quarters. We have a weak offensive line to start with.
Its really sad to see him never having a clean pocket to step up into.
Watched the first quarter as I came home from work late, accidentally saw a tweet about Eli throwing his 5th pick. I didn't watch the rest of the game. Enjoyably Sunday indeed.
here is the bottom line. I don't know what "NY Giant Football" is anymore. It's not physical play, that's for sure. This is a soft team. They do not stop the run. They don't run the ball. They can't make 4th and an inch and they try 3 fades and slant when you've got 1st and goal on the 4 yard line with the game in the balance.
This team needs an overhaul. I've said before that I'm a big fan of Coughlin, but what's wrong with this team will take more than a year to fix. With that in mind, it's time for a new regime. A new voice. The Giants will be lucky to finish 6-10 and next week is going to be an absolute embarassment on National TV when the place is filled with Dallas fans as the Cowboys drive the final nail in the coffin.
Do we have any olinemen worth a shit? Any? I also see absolutely no changes i any of them. No development at all. Flaherty needs to be held accountable too. Its just a mess! And can anyone see it getting better next year?!
here is the bottom line. I don't know what "NY Giant Football" is anymore. It's not physical play, that's for sure. This is a soft team. They do not stop the run. They don't run the ball. Th
The reality is that this team became "soft" back in the 90's when Acorsi began to re-shape the Giants. Yes, we had some snapshots in time when we were anything but soft (ie a couple of playoff runs). However, this team has not been one of those physical teams that other teams dread having to play. Not in a very very long time.
Don't want to hear about Coughlin, Reese, McAdoo or Fewell
because they had no confidence that the Jerry/Brown combo could give the QB/WR combos time to get open. Might have been the wrong decision but it all started with the right side of the offensive line getting brutalized on every play.
the lack of development on the O line and the linebackers, sure. However, no matter who is coaching them, you can't get blood from a stone. I could dedicate the rest of my life to playing and practicing golf, but I'll never make the PGA tour. The fact of the matter is coaching can only do so much. You need the talent to have the success. None of our offensive lineman are worth a shit. Pugh and Richberg are serviceable with room to grow obviously. Outside of them, it is epically awful.
better draft pick and Mara will have to replace all of the coaches including McAdoo and most likely Reese. Eli will have to take pay cut or Giants should release him. We are in rebuilding mode. No need to have a 20 million dollar QB.
Giants Red zone playbook no matter the OC under Coughlin
that dictates Reese returns or handpicks the next coach.
None. Fans need to get that through their skulls.
While Coughlin's fate maybe decided, the fans can decide Reese's fate if they commit to it. Whether or not they do, is a different topic.
I prevaricate on Reese. I like the last two drafts on paper, I generally like his logic and his selections in the 1st round, but he's not had a lights out draft since 2008. He's had some terrible luck with injuries but he's had a some terrible misses in both the draft and FA. He's not a terrible GM, but I think he's pretty weak, there's a lot of cooks in the Giants drafting pot and I think that's now an issue.
We stink and I too hope we go 3-13. I would like to give Nassib a chance to get his feet wet. I know this won't happen, but does anyone really believe eli is worth 20 million?
Our OL sucks and will suck even more without Pugh. We have no back ups.
First and goal at the four and you throw four straight passes, three of them fades is ludicrous.
Defense played well. What a change from last week.
Really? Hmmmm I am a fan and I can guarantee you that if you gave me a helmet last week, I would have stuck it into Lynch on a few of those TD runs....even if I would have gotten run over. I think you can find quite a few people who would love to at least have the chance. So, to see a group of NFL professionals shy away from the contact is just sickening.
Well, you know. Game on the line, just a couple of minutes to go, first and four for a TD after one of the most amazing clutch catches made by a Giant in recent memory. What do they do? Three blob fade passes up for grabs, two poorly thrown.They go incomplete. Then what, for the finale? INT #5. Greek comedy!
Beckham excepted (what a waste of heroics today), the cast is too poor -- and too poorly coached and trained -- to compete. Total housecleaning needed, beginning with Reese and whoever else has anything to do with player identification, drafting, and hiring. Doesn't leave much besides Backham, does it?
Mara can't be counted on, I fear. What does he know about what's needed to put together and run a winning team? What has he done about this over the last several years? McAdoo? That's it? So, as many here have predicted, Mara probably will just keep on keeping on. Deer in the headlights. One imagines him murmuring to himself that maybe it will all just go away, that he'll feel better in the morning (or next week or next year), and that it will get better on its own.
here is the bottom line. I don't know what "NY Giant Football" is anymore. It's not physical play, that's for sure. This is a soft team. They do not stop the run. They don't run the ball. They can't make 4th and an inch and they try 3 fades and slant when you've got 1st and goal on the 4 yard line with the game in the balance.
This team needs an overhaul. I've said before that I'm a big fan of Coughlin, but what's wrong with this team will take more than a year to fix. With that in mind, it's time for a new regime. A new voice. The Giants will be lucky to finish 6-10 and next week is going to be an absolute embarassment on National TV when the place is filled with Dallas fans as the Cowboys drive the final nail in the coffin.
Matt, this is the same thing that happened at the end of Fassel with Accorsi. Turned the team into a finesse roster until TC made them reinforce the lines on both sides of the ball
It was in his HANDS! I have no idea how he lost it going to the ground. If only every receiver had Odel Beckham Jr hands.
2 -- WTF? Although it was intended for Randle
3 -- This was a bad decision, tried to drop it between two guys to Randle.
4 -- Makes throws like this all the time hard and low to the spot. Randle was not in the spot.
5 -- deflection, Eli shuold get a place in Canton for most deflected passes picked. Its unreal.
Worst thing about today's game is the headlines will all shout five picks. Hey it is true , but a shame.
I thought he got hit in the head, which should be a penalty of course.
You know otherwise smart people like Colin.
Is it a matter of want or just accepting that that is what is going to happen?
The team isn't firing Jerry Reese any time soon, regardless of what any of us feel should happen. He's going to have some say (not the full 100% say, obviously) in the next HC and will get to find his "own" franchise QB too before they even consider changing GMs.
Pretending that isn't reality or ranting about it is a waste of time.
Defense hung in there, special teams played well. Offensive line sucks, and our QB had a brutal game.
Only six more to go!!
coaching...we need to clean house, it's time.
To get the talent, you have to get somebody who can get talent. We have Reese.
Can't believe I'm going to the Jags game during a season like this. May be a chance to see the last win of the TC era. I'd like to shake the guy's hand. Hes been a good HC for us and always gave us 100%, unlike some players.
And do you give JPP $, or Eli an extension after this? Or do you let JPP go and perhaps see what you can get in a trade for Manning? JPP isn't worth the contract he'll get, and Eli is certainly not elite. Elite QBs don't have games like this or years with 27 INTs, even with WRs running awful routes.
BTW, if the officials called the game fairly on that next to last possession, we should have had two PI penalties called for us. Of course the officials didn't have the guts to make those calls.
He's my pick
Agree with his statement that our special teams played better. They did. Actually the best kickoff returns in the past couple of years....since that huge game by Wilson
2 -- WTF? Although it was intended for Randle
3 -- This was a bad decision, tried to drop it between two guys to Randle.
4 -- Makes throws like this all the time hard and low to the spot. Randle was not in the spot.
5 -- deflection, Eli shuold get a place in Canton for most deflected passes picked. Its unreal.
Worst thing about today's game is the headlines will all shout five picks. Hey it is true , but a shame.
He threw so many I don't remember #5. I do not remember any deflection.
#4 don't blame Randle - he just threw it while getting hit.
Its really sad to see him never having a clean pocket to step up into.
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Reese doesn't coach. This game proved they have the talent to win, coaching not so much
You sir are one of the dumbest posters on the site and you never stop to amaze each week. What fucking talent do they have?
This team needs an overhaul. I've said before that I'm a big fan of Coughlin, but what's wrong with this team will take more than a year to fix. With that in mind, it's time for a new regime. A new voice. The Giants will be lucky to finish 6-10 and next week is going to be an absolute embarassment on National TV when the place is filled with Dallas fans as the Cowboys drive the final nail in the coffin.
This. Seriously, it's as if the coaching staff decided to mail it in too now.
The reality is that this team became "soft" back in the 90's when Acorsi began to re-shape the Giants. Yes, we had some snapshots in time when we were anything but soft (ie a couple of playoff runs). However, this team has not been one of those physical teams that other teams dread having to play. Not in a very very long time.
I think Charlie Brown could play a better RT than Charles Brown
None. Fans need to get that through their skulls.
While Coughlin's fate maybe decided, the fans can decide Reese's fate if they commit to it. Whether or not they do, is a different topic.
It feels like the 1970s with the line play.
2. FADE ROUTE
3. Have you tried the FADE ROUTE yet? If not do so.
4. Well damn, run a draw.
2. FADE ROUTE
3. Have you tried the FADE ROUTE yet? If not do so.
4. Well damn, run a draw.
And under Gilbride:
Shotgun Draw 'till it hurts!
None. Fans need to get that through their skulls.
While Coughlin's fate maybe decided, the fans can decide Reese's fate if they commit to it. Whether or not they do, is a different topic.
I prevaricate on Reese. I like the last two drafts on paper, I generally like his logic and his selections in the 1st round, but he's not had a lights out draft since 2008. He's had some terrible luck with injuries but he's had a some terrible misses in both the draft and FA. He's not a terrible GM, but I think he's pretty weak, there's a lot of cooks in the Giants drafting pot and I think that's now an issue.
they played hard today, they are handicapped by lack of talent on the offensive line.
Our OL sucks and will suck even more without Pugh. We have no back ups.
First and goal at the four and you throw four straight passes, three of them fades is ludicrous.
Defense played well. What a change from last week.
Really? Hmmmm I am a fan and I can guarantee you that if you gave me a helmet last week, I would have stuck it into Lynch on a few of those TD runs....even if I would have gotten run over. I think you can find quite a few people who would love to at least have the chance. So, to see a group of NFL professionals shy away from the contact is just sickening.
Beckham excepted (what a waste of heroics today), the cast is too poor -- and too poorly coached and trained -- to compete. Total housecleaning needed, beginning with Reese and whoever else has anything to do with player identification, drafting, and hiring. Doesn't leave much besides Backham, does it?
Mara can't be counted on, I fear. What does he know about what's needed to put together and run a winning team? What has he done about this over the last several years? McAdoo? That's it? So, as many here have predicted, Mara probably will just keep on keeping on. Deer in the headlights. One imagines him murmuring to himself that maybe it will all just go away, that he'll feel better in the morning (or next week or next year), and that it will get better on its own.
It won't, of course.
they played hard today, they are handicapped by lack of talent on the offensive line.
Right and who's responsible for the lack of talent????
Reese, Ross, Chris Mara and the rest!
This team needs an overhaul. I've said before that I'm a big fan of Coughlin, but what's wrong with this team will take more than a year to fix. With that in mind, it's time for a new regime. A new voice. The Giants will be lucky to finish 6-10 and next week is going to be an absolute embarassment on National TV when the place is filled with Dallas fans as the Cowboys drive the final nail in the coffin.
Matt, this is the same thing that happened at the end of Fassel with Accorsi. Turned the team into a finesse roster until TC made them reinforce the lines on both sides of the ball