We also need a pass rush, LBs who can both cover and play the run, and another S.
Time to blow the whole thing up. If I could I'd trade Eli in the offseason; not that I think he's crap, but because I think we have a huge amount of needs and have to maximize our draft picks and cap space.
But even as bad as they are, the coaches and Eli have to share in this latest fiasco. Starting last week when Eli/Reese decided to start opening it up and going downfield, it has been a disaster. Chucking it up and praying for a circus catch is not a game plan. It is pure desperation.
Hankins is a good run stuffing DT, Ayers is about as good a backup RE as you could hope to get, but other than that the cupboard is pretty bare. Moore occassionally shows a bit of burst coming from the edge but if his special team flag fest is any indication he seems to be as thick as two bricks
Beatty is poor run blocker and an average LT. Pugh has struggled this year but looked promising last year. If the center of the oline was fixed I think you could win with Pugh and Beatty as the bookends, it wouldn't be ideal but you could win. Richburg started off ok at Guard but has struggled more as the year has went on and looks like he needs a year in the weightroom but hopefully should be a good center.
Lots of hopefullys there, we need two good guards in the worst possible way. If Schwartz comes back and plays well then a 2nd round guard and hitting on a later round guard/tackle could transform the oline. If not we'll need two guards in the first 4 rounds.
Reese has to hit gold with OLs in the 2015 draft. Its wishful thinking that Reese will be fired even though John Jerry, JD Walton and Geoff Shwartz was his solution to having the worst Offensive Line in 2013. John Mara is trying too hard to be Wellington.
RE: C'mon, we can't take a RB without firming up the offensive line first.
We also need a pass rush, LBs who can both cover and play the run, and another S.
Time to blow the whole thing up. If I could I'd trade Eli in the offseason; not that I think he's crap, but because I think we have a huge amount of needs and have to maximize our draft picks and cap space.
Yat, take that strategy to its conclusion and lets say you fill all those holes that exist now. You now have one big gaping hole, no QB. Now you may find a new QB but if it were that easy everyone would have one. In the end you look like the 49ers a very good team that cant seem to get over the hump because of their QB.
All the coaches sucked today besides Fewell and Quinn. Today's fuckup is on McAdoo. One of the worst called games, offensively, I've ever seen.
McAdoo's play calling was brain-dead. He runs on 1st down almost every series except when he's just outside the other team's goal line. Please tell me that he's not being considered as Coughlin's successor. Please!
McAdoo is as unimaginative as they get. He could have great players and his calls are so predictable it would not matter. We need a new OC and new DC. Coughlin stands on the sidelines watching another needless loss (the 49ers did not overpower the Giants), but he's the one who watches the stupid play-calling. The players don't call these stupid plays: they are being outcoached. If the teams switched OC's, I guarantee the Giants would have won.
with Randle split left there was man to man coverage
with no help. I'm surprised they didn't throw some inside route. There was a lot of space inside for Randle to try to run away from the db
Was pass inference. It's not even debatable. Say what you want about the play calling but it should have been 1st & goal from the one. Now would they have converted that......who knows.
Reb, at this point I'd rather be a team that can dominate
on both sides of the LOS than a finesse team that depends upon an aging Eli to carry us to the promised land without and OL or a front 7 that can stop the run.
For once, there is little to say in complaint about Fewell and the D
They bent, but only broke once. I still think they got gauged on the ground and SF more beat themselves, than our D leaving their mark on this game. But, the bottom line is they got most of the stops and held SF to FGs.
This loss is on Eli and McAdoo. Eli is responsible for each of those INTs. The rest of his game wasn't bad. But the turnovers are a major reason they lost.
As for McAdoo I am becoming less and less enamored with him and less patient with him. The only thing I think he has going for him is this is year one with a crappy OL and thin WR and RB corps. That said, I have not been thrilled with his gameplans or playcalling. Today was not different.
In the weeks without Jennings, he inexplicably leaned heavily on a terrible and unproductive running game with a rookie and basically nobody else. And he did so in games that simply didn't dictate running the ball. Today, Jennings comes back and it's a tight game and he leaned more heavily on an ineffective passing game.
For me, 6 playcalls are what I am upset about. 2 were the runs immediately after the onside kick. They showed guts and uncharacteristic risk and snatched momentum. With each run you could feel that momentum disappear. That is no different than a big turnover in the middle of the field. You get aggressive there to take advantage of the windfall. The next playcall was the 4th and inch. How do you not sneak there? A slow developing run with a piss poor OL? Then the last 3 plays were 1st, 2nd, and 3d and goal late in the game. 2 fades and a 3rd jump ball? Unimaginative and stubbornness. Try it once? Fine. 3 times? How about a quick slant? A draw on 2nd down with a spread formation? Something to a RB? Anything else?
Those 6 calls, to me, are examples of what was wrong. Finally one game where the D didn't suck and the offense shits the bed.
That said about the D`they still did not look great
They still get no regular pressure. They still lack discipline at DE and LB. They still have no semblance of D in the middle of the field. As I said previously, I think SF (mostly Kaepernick) were beating themselves than the Giants stopping them.
You can be sure that Parcells would make the calls when it was do or die down in the red zone and would override anything Earhart called. Certainly, he would not have called three fades in a row.
is how to brings out the trolls, idiots, and haters against Eli. This game doesn't prove he is done (another thread indicates that) it doesn't prove he sucks, etc. The Giants don't have any decision to make about tying up money with Eli because he will still be under contract. If anything, this season as a whole has proven they can still win with Eli because Eli is a very good QB. But, they need to improve the OL and the offensive talent in general. The problem is, they also need an infusion on D more. But, anyone who takes 4 bad throws to mean anything or to overshadow what has mostly been a comeback season for Eli is a moron.
I don't think he would have at all. He may have made the call on 4th and an inch. But, he did not take over offensive or defensive playcalling.
I seem to remember the huddles on the sidelines with Simms and Parcells at a timeout before a play call. Earhart was always up in the booth. So the calls had to come downstairs and I think it was a three way call between this trio.
We don't see the sideline shots much anymore so hard to tell what Manning, Coughlin, and Manning are doing with their time-out huddle. Blame that on the commercials.
I don't think he would have at all. He may have made the call on 4th and an inch. But, he did not take over offensive or defensive playcalling.
I seem to remember the huddles on the sidelines with Simms and Parcells at a timeout before a play call. Earhart was always up in the booth. So the calls had to come downstairs and I think it was a three way call between this trio.
We don't see the sideline shots much anymore so hard to tell what Manning, Coughlin, and McAdoo are doing with their time-out huddle. Blame that on the commercials.
is how to brings out the trolls, idiots, and haters
Bingo. The post-game thread is usually free of the unbridled stupidity that reigns in the game thread. Not today, unfortunately.
I wish they had won, but I'm not bent out of shape over it. They weren't making the playoffs with the win and victories at this point only hurt their draft position. I was happy to see the improved effort on the both sides of the ball.
Positives:
- ODB is going to be a special, special player
- Ayers might get a new contract before JPP
- Herzlich played hard and relatively well
Negatives:
- How can a team win with Walton, Jerry, and Brown in their starting o-line? Oh right, they can't.
- Reuben Randle is terrible even when he gets 100 yards receiving for the 1st time. I still have no clue what he was doing on the fade.
- Demps might be the worst safety in the sport. He's horrible... the 48 yard TD was 110% on him.
- Eli has to do better than that, especially in the red zone.
- The play in which Jerry didn't block the 49er, then knocked over his teammate was the "Sanchez Butt Fumble" for a lineman.
They bent, but only broke once. I still think they got gauged on the ground and SF more beat themselves, than our D leaving their mark on this game. But, the bottom line is they got most of the stops and held SF to FGs.
This loss is on Eli and McAdoo. Eli is responsible for each of those INTs. The rest of his game wasn't bad. But the turnovers are a major reason they lost.
As for McAdoo I am becoming less and less enamored with him and less patient with him. The only thing I think he has going for him is this is year one with a crappy OL and thin WR and RB corps. That said, I have not been thrilled with his gameplans or playcalling. Today was not different.
In the weeks without Jennings, he inexplicably leaned heavily on a terrible and unproductive running game with a rookie and basically nobody else. And he did so in games that simply didn't dictate running the ball. Today, Jennings comes back and it's a tight game and he leaned more heavily on an ineffective passing game.
For me, 6 playcalls are what I am upset about. 2 were the runs immediately after the onside kick. They showed guts and uncharacteristic risk and snatched momentum. With each run you could feel that momentum disappear. That is no different than a big turnover in the middle of the field. You get aggressive there to take advantage of the windfall. The next playcall was the 4th and inch. How do you not sneak there? A slow developing run with a piss poor OL? Then the last 3 plays were 1st, 2nd, and 3d and goal late in the game. 2 fades and a 3rd jump ball? Unimaginative and stubbornness. Try it once? Fine. 3 times? How about a quick slant? A draw on 2nd down with a spread formation? Something to a RB? Anything else?
Those 6 calls, to me, are examples of what was wrong. Finally one game where the D didn't suck and the offense shits the bed.
Spot on. I thought the same about the play calling after the onsides kick. I thought for sure they were going to look for Beckham deep on the first play. As far as Eli's play - horrible today, but we all know that if he has time in the pocket, or if he even has a pocket, he can be very good. As far as OL, how about moving Richburg back to C, and Pugh back to G, and drafting an OT?
And got this offensive guru of a te coach.can't wait for Johnny's next brilliant idea.
And some of you are touting thisnguy nfor head coach. bwhahahahahaha
Not for nothing, but from TC transcript, I got the impression TC is making the calls on offense
I read the same tread too. TC made it clear to McAdoo how he wants the offense run. Coming from Green Bay, it's hard to believe McAdoo is so conservative
We also need a pass rush, LBs who can both cover and play the run, and another S.
Time to blow the whole thing up. If I could I'd trade Eli in the offseason; not that I think he's crap, but because I think we have a huge amount of needs and have to maximize our draft picks and cap space.
Hankins is a good run stuffing DT, Ayers is about as good a backup RE as you could hope to get, but other than that the cupboard is pretty bare. Moore occassionally shows a bit of burst coming from the edge but if his special team flag fest is any indication he seems to be as thick as two bricks
Beatty is poor run blocker and an average LT. Pugh has struggled this year but looked promising last year. If the center of the oline was fixed I think you could win with Pugh and Beatty as the bookends, it wouldn't be ideal but you could win. Richburg started off ok at Guard but has struggled more as the year has went on and looks like he needs a year in the weightroom but hopefully should be a good center.
Lots of hopefullys there, we need two good guards in the worst possible way. If Schwartz comes back and plays well then a 2nd round guard and hitting on a later round guard/tackle could transform the oline. If not we'll need two guards in the first 4 rounds.
We also need a pass rush, LBs who can both cover and play the run, and another S.
Time to blow the whole thing up. If I could I'd trade Eli in the offseason; not that I think he's crap, but because I think we have a huge amount of needs and have to maximize our draft picks and cap space.
Yat, take that strategy to its conclusion and lets say you fill all those holes that exist now. You now have one big gaping hole, no QB. Now you may find a new QB but if it were that easy everyone would have one. In the end you look like the 49ers a very good team that cant seem to get over the hump because of their QB.
McAdoo's play calling was brain-dead. He runs on 1st down almost every series except when he's just outside the other team's goal line. Please tell me that he's not being considered as Coughlin's successor. Please!
to me, OBJ got the 1st
also our guys were getting banged and grabbed downfield all game
with no help. I'm surprised they didn't throw some inside route. There was a lot of space inside for Randle to try to run away from the db
This loss is on Eli and McAdoo. Eli is responsible for each of those INTs. The rest of his game wasn't bad. But the turnovers are a major reason they lost.
As for McAdoo I am becoming less and less enamored with him and less patient with him. The only thing I think he has going for him is this is year one with a crappy OL and thin WR and RB corps. That said, I have not been thrilled with his gameplans or playcalling. Today was not different.
In the weeks without Jennings, he inexplicably leaned heavily on a terrible and unproductive running game with a rookie and basically nobody else. And he did so in games that simply didn't dictate running the ball. Today, Jennings comes back and it's a tight game and he leaned more heavily on an ineffective passing game.
For me, 6 playcalls are what I am upset about. 2 were the runs immediately after the onside kick. They showed guts and uncharacteristic risk and snatched momentum. With each run you could feel that momentum disappear. That is no different than a big turnover in the middle of the field. You get aggressive there to take advantage of the windfall. The next playcall was the 4th and inch. How do you not sneak there? A slow developing run with a piss poor OL? Then the last 3 plays were 1st, 2nd, and 3d and goal late in the game. 2 fades and a 3rd jump ball? Unimaginative and stubbornness. Try it once? Fine. 3 times? How about a quick slant? A draw on 2nd down with a spread formation? Something to a RB? Anything else?
Those 6 calls, to me, are examples of what was wrong. Finally one game where the D didn't suck and the offense shits the bed.
I seem to remember the huddles on the sidelines with Simms and Parcells at a timeout before a play call. Earhart was always up in the booth. So the calls had to come downstairs and I think it was a three way call between this trio.
We don't see the sideline shots much anymore so hard to tell what Manning, Coughlin, and Manning are doing with their time-out huddle. Blame that on the commercials.
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I don't think he would have at all. He may have made the call on 4th and an inch. But, he did not take over offensive or defensive playcalling.
I seem to remember the huddles on the sidelines with Simms and Parcells at a timeout before a play call. Earhart was always up in the booth. So the calls had to come downstairs and I think it was a three way call between this trio.
We don't see the sideline shots much anymore so hard to tell what Manning, Coughlin, and McAdoo are doing with their time-out huddle. Blame that on the commercials.
Meant McAdoo not Manning
it's that simple...if he wants to keep TC....fine.
hire a new GM..if he keeps tc ok,,,if not ok.
And some of you are touting thisnguy nfor head coach. bwhahahahahaha
And some of you are touting thisnguy nfor head coach. bwhahahahahaha
Not for nothing, but from TC transcript, I got the impression TC is making the calls on offense
But now our team is like 1972 all over again.
Bingo. The post-game thread is usually free of the unbridled stupidity that reigns in the game thread. Not today, unfortunately.
I wish they had won, but I'm not bent out of shape over it. They weren't making the playoffs with the win and victories at this point only hurt their draft position. I was happy to see the improved effort on the both sides of the ball.
Positives:
- ODB is going to be a special, special player
- Ayers might get a new contract before JPP
- Herzlich played hard and relatively well
Negatives:
- How can a team win with Walton, Jerry, and Brown in their starting o-line? Oh right, they can't.
- Reuben Randle is terrible even when he gets 100 yards receiving for the 1st time. I still have no clue what he was doing on the fade.
- Demps might be the worst safety in the sport. He's horrible... the 48 yard TD was 110% on him.
- Eli has to do better than that, especially in the red zone.
- The play in which Jerry didn't block the 49er, then knocked over his teammate was the "Sanchez Butt Fumble" for a lineman.
This loss is on Eli and McAdoo. Eli is responsible for each of those INTs. The rest of his game wasn't bad. But the turnovers are a major reason they lost.
As for McAdoo I am becoming less and less enamored with him and less patient with him. The only thing I think he has going for him is this is year one with a crappy OL and thin WR and RB corps. That said, I have not been thrilled with his gameplans or playcalling. Today was not different.
In the weeks without Jennings, he inexplicably leaned heavily on a terrible and unproductive running game with a rookie and basically nobody else. And he did so in games that simply didn't dictate running the ball. Today, Jennings comes back and it's a tight game and he leaned more heavily on an ineffective passing game.
For me, 6 playcalls are what I am upset about. 2 were the runs immediately after the onside kick. They showed guts and uncharacteristic risk and snatched momentum. With each run you could feel that momentum disappear. That is no different than a big turnover in the middle of the field. You get aggressive there to take advantage of the windfall. The next playcall was the 4th and inch. How do you not sneak there? A slow developing run with a piss poor OL? Then the last 3 plays were 1st, 2nd, and 3d and goal late in the game. 2 fades and a 3rd jump ball? Unimaginative and stubbornness. Try it once? Fine. 3 times? How about a quick slant? A draw on 2nd down with a spread formation? Something to a RB? Anything else?
Those 6 calls, to me, are examples of what was wrong. Finally one game where the D didn't suck and the offense shits the bed.
Spot on. I thought the same about the play calling after the onsides kick. I thought for sure they were going to look for Beckham deep on the first play. As far as Eli's play - horrible today, but we all know that if he has time in the pocket, or if he even has a pocket, he can be very good. As far as OL, how about moving Richburg back to C, and Pugh back to G, and drafting an OT?
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And got this offensive guru of a te coach.can't wait for Johnny's next brilliant idea.
And some of you are touting thisnguy nfor head coach. bwhahahahahaha
Not for nothing, but from TC transcript, I got the impression TC is making the calls on offense
I read the same tread too. TC made it clear to McAdoo how he wants the offense run. Coming from Green Bay, it's hard to believe McAdoo is so conservative