For the first time since 2004

It may well be time to blow the ENTIRE thing up and start over.

But I will say that the line he is playing on has exactly one guy I will call an NFL starter and he is a rookie. put him behind a decent oline and Eli can still play.

First off, they are really no quality QBs in the Draft, aside from Mariota and Winston and fuck this team if they draft either one of them.

Second, have you seen the fucking roster? Our O-Line? Our WRs? Our TEs? Our running game? Could ANY QB succeed with these players?

Third, we have too many fucking needs. Eli really is the least of our problems. We need help at every position BUT QB.

He has one WR worth a shit, a line that can't block, an inconsistent but promising tight end, and a decent running back in Jennings.

Factor in a soft defense with no linebackers, injuries out the wazoo in the defensive backfield, and here we are.

+10

I wouldn't agree that it's a top priority, but certainly something that should be under consideration.

How about they first fix the line and give him more than one receiver that can consistently run the correct route and hang on to the ball

This off season will be very interesting.

Trade Eli Manning?

I'm sure we would get a first rounder for him, right?

to the list of things we need on this team.

Dep is going to have a stroke!!!

But this is the most idiotic reactionary post. Yeah it was not a good day for Eli, but given the sum of his play this year, I'll take it. He's not the reason the team is 3-7. Get him an offensive line and we can talk.

Eli sure sucked ass today but he is a solid QB surrounded by the right talent

But I think you may be right. Nassib did look good in this O in preseason. Lets see where the Giants draft. It may really be time to shuffle the Deck.

without a two time Super Bowl MVP at QB? Good lord, we'd be vying for the worst 0-16 team ever.

they would have to consider it.

The core of this team is rotten (i.e., OLine and DLine). Unless those are addressed as immediate priorities, you'll waste either Eli's last decent years or a new QBs early years.

Also, I think it's hyperbolic to describe Eli as a bottom half to third QB.

Respectfully....it may be a few years before this team is considered top tier. There are holes everywhere, but Manning looks worse than ever. The line is bad, yes. But take a look around the league...the NYG WRs/TEs/RBs are average....not bottom of the barrel. NYG can't do anything with Manning to make up for shortcomings elsewhere. He has become completely immobile in and out of the pocket. He is making poor decisions under pressure. And he has lost the quality and accuracy of his deep ball. He's close to done.

He keeps throwing to Randle who seemingly can't decide whether he should finish a route or not.

He'll shut up and take the blame 100 times out of 100.

third of the league QB.

I don't think Eli's been worth what he's been paid the past couple of seasons, or worth what he's likely expecting in an extension. I don't think he's one of the top-5 QBs, probably around 10 somewhere (if he has a roster and a coaching staff that let him actually play a game of football without running for his life). Bottom 3rd? That's damn funny.

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Must get more from someone who makes that kind of money.

The maddening inconsistency, and inability to get more out of his players has to stop. Also if you are not pinpoint accurate like Brady or the other Manning, you better be mobile in this league, he made one play on a broken play, you see that stuff from QB's all over the league all the time

Or available in the draft that will have success behind that OL. QB may be a need but to be honest IMO with the exception of Richberg(too early) not sure theres a guy on the OL who is Anthony more than a bottom third of all NFL starters.

Jerry and Brown shouldn't be on an NFL Roster. Beatty is severely over paid. Walton is a bench type. Pugh was injured today but looks like he will have to move.

Mariotta or Winston will be hard to pass up but this OL is a shit show and Reese should not be the guy to hire a new coach or to draft an pick on the tip 5 range. He's the reason this team is devoid of depth and strapped to the cap

to build an offensive line, build a LB core, get some legit pass rush talent, and a a game breaker RB or WR or TE when the QB is making $20+ million.

The garbage oline was any good Eli would be worth every penny. The oline causes you to make this statement.

holy crap

In comment 11981518 Sy'56 said:

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Respectfully....it may be a few years before this team is considered top tier. There are holes everywhere, but Manning looks worse than ever. The line is bad, yes. But take a look around the league...the NYG WRs/TEs/RBs are average....not bottom of the barrel. NYG can't do anything with Manning to make up for shortcomings elsewhere. He has become completely immobile in and out of the pocket. He is making poor decisions under pressure. And he has lost the quality and accuracy of his deep ball. He's close to done.

One bad game this year (albeit a very bad game) and he looks worse than ever. Get ahold of yourself. Eli has one of these a year, you can book it.

in another organization's scouting his past week and, after being incredibly down on Manning last year, he sang his praises (and was pretty much the only "nice" thing he said about the Giants as a team currently) and talked about how it's a miracle he's gotten what he has out of what he's been handed.

He was absolute shit today and I have no problem with them moving on from him (as we suck and he's useless in stopping that from happening), but he's not a bottom third of the league QB.

We have a proven commodity behind a shitshow OL with a WR who consistently gives up on routes right when the QB is about to release the ball. Let's put together something resembling an NFL OL, dump Randle, and see how he does. If he sucks then, maybe you have an argument.

if you would have posted this before this game, I'd be interested in what you have to say based on your history. This is coming off as a whiner

In comment 11981531 LauderdaleMatty said:

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Or available in the draft that will have success behind that OL. QB may be a need but to be honest IMO with the exception of Richberg(too early) not sure theres a guy on the OL who is Anthony more than a bottom third of all NFL starters. Jerry and Brown shouldn't be on an NFL Roster. Beatty is severely over paid. Walton is a bench type. Pugh was injured today but looks like he will have to move. Mariotta or Winston will be hard to pass up but this OL is a shit show and Reese should not be the guy to hire a new coach or to draft an pick on the tip 5 range. He's the reason this team is devoid of depth and strapped to the cap

Well said, finally some reality.

Eli's throw, i believe to Randle on a third and long late.

Eli knew where to go, faced down two blitzing niners, who coming homer free, took hit and delivered the ball on time and accurate.

I think only he the best of pro QB's can do that

Maybe somewhere else he can excel, but enough is enough, and he can take TC, Jerry and Fewell with him.....4 years no play-offs, it's time for change in a big way.

Check out the Packers.

He has 4 WR's that can stretch a defense, a good back, and a decent offensive line.

Other than Beckham, name a Giants' offensive player that gets playing time on the Packers.

Qb's today?


Out come the same, Niners win by three scores.

Let's not be foolish. There is a lot of scouting to be done. And there are some potential QB shakeups around the league that could happen.

But the point is...an upgrade at QB is needed. I understand it won't fall in to NYG's lap...but it is a legit need.

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And quit the dipshit posts like this

In comment 11981550 NewBlue said:

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Maybe somewhere else he can excel, but enough is enough, and he can take TC, Jerry and Fewell with him.....4 years no play-offs, it's time for change in a big way.

Damn, losses really bring out the idiots. Eli is done here, yeah whatever.

on those statements. I believe Sy's talent evaluations are way off the mark in general.

In comment 11981556 Sy'56 said:

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Let's not be foolish. There is a lot of scouting to be done. And there are some potential QB shakeups around the league that could happen. But the point is...an upgrade at QB is needed. I understand it won't fall in to NYG's lap...but it is a legit need.

Upgrade? Name one!

In comment 11981518 Sy'56 said:

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Respectfully....it may be a few years before this team is considered top tier. There are holes everywhere, but Manning looks worse than ever. The line is bad, yes. But take a look around the league...the NYG WRs/TEs/RBs are average....not bottom of the barrel. NYG can't do anything with Manning to make up for shortcomings elsewhere. He has become completely immobile in and out of the pocket. He is making poor decisions under pressure. And he has lost the quality and accuracy of his deep ball. He's close to done.

The skill positions are bottom 3rd. ODB is great, thats it. The o line cant block anyone.

He makes too much money and he kills the cap. They need to restructure him.

In comment 11981568 Emil said:

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In comment 11981556 Sy'56 said: Quote: Let's not be foolish. There is a lot of scouting to be done. And there are some potential QB shakeups around the league that could happen. But the point is...an upgrade at QB is needed. I understand it won't fall in to NYG's lap...but it is a legit need. Upgrade? Name one!

You can't name one yet. It is November. We don't know who will declare for the draft. We don't know who will be available via FA.

They've seemed to turn it around with a QB making $20M.

You're better than this. At least I'd like to think so.

In comment 11981564 BigBlueCane said:

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on those statements. I believe Sy's talent evaluations are way off the mark in general.

Care to elaborate? I was killed for giving Borland a 1st round grade too. How did he do today? And last week? And the week before?

till after Manning's worst game this season to say this.


Interesting

would you suggest we pick up jason campbell on the cheap? shocked you're not an NFL GM

In comment 11981518 Sy'56 said:

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Respectfully....it may be a few years before this team is considered top tier. There are holes everywhere, but Manning looks worse than ever. The line is bad, yes. But take a look around the league...the NYG WRs/TEs/RBs are average....not bottom of the barrel. NYG can't do anything with Manning to make up for shortcomings elsewhere. He has become completely immobile in and out of the pocket. He is making poor decisions under pressure. And he has lost the quality and accuracy of his deep ball. He's close to done.

He looks worse than ever? Aside from today's game, he had 17 TDs and 6 INTs with a 93 Passer Rating, a FARCRY from the last few years.

And I disagree, our "weapons" are at the bottom of the league. Jennings, who was injured, Beckham Jr. and to an extent, Beatty and Donnell, are the only passable talent on the offense. The rest of the players have been an absolute shitshow.

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to build an offensive line, build a LB core, get some legit pass rush talent, and a a game breaker RB or WR or TE when the QB is making $20+ million.

And that's is the bottom line and the elephant in the room. It's one thing if you are Rodgers and able to make plays with his arm and feet and stay alive. Peyton quick accurate throws even if they are ducks. Eli isn't that type of QB. He needs help and these guys won't play for peanuts.

However he still has a year left on his deal and we coukdnt trade him for anything worthwhile anyways. Plus the giants wouldnt jettison their 2 time Super Bowl mvp qb like that.

We have one offseason to upgrade the line thru draft and free agency, cruz will be back next year, ODB a year wiser, another year with the offense...too early for this thread. Plus theres nothing notable QB wise in this draft.