For the first time since 2004

Teams will go right up the middle of the OL and knock Eli out.

Doesn't matter if he's thrown the ball or night. With the rules in the NFL being what they are, the only way to stop most offenses is to knock the QB down/out. and that's what teams will do.

See Falcons, Atlanta.

our O-line is so bad right now that on these third down plays, we are NOT getting the most out of our matchups. We are having (in some instances) to keep TWO eligible's home to help protect Eli. This means at least two of the three are getting doubled.

Unfortunately, all of this talk is just fantasy until the O-line can be solidified.

In comment 11982696 BigBlueCane said:

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Teams will go right up the middle of the OL and knock Eli out. Doesn't matter if he's thrown the ball or night. With the rules in the NFL being what they are, the only way to stop most offenses is to knock the QB down/out. and that's what teams will do. See Falcons, Atlanta.

I did include a rebuilt OL and that implied improved, obviously it starts there, but GB never had a ridiculously good OL, but their offense was built to mitigate it.

Your line really only has to be decent enough to hold up while one of these weapons get open.

op and not really worth discussing. That being said, I have to imagine that Eli will get his contract rescheduled next year to closer to $10 mil per year which will open up cap.

Give Eli a clean pocket and he can make plays. It's that simple.

Brady has thrown a few bad interceptions tonight when his line didn't provide him the protection he usually enjoys.

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I'd say we have to really look at the variables..

How does Eli play the rest of 2014?

Is there a blue chip QB or two that the Giants will have access to?

Would the Giants trade Eli, if so what would be the return?

Would Eli take a pay cut?

Will Reese's job be in jeopardy?

Will be interesting watching it play out. If Eli regresses the rest of the season, that will drive a lot of chatter I'm sure. If he plays well, I think this will all be void.

He's working with 1 WR who would be on the ACTIVE roster of the 49ers, let alone getting playing time. As a comparison, Drew Stanton's (definitely a bottom third QB) least explosive WR is Larry Fitzgerald. Compare the Giants' skill position players to the other 3 teams in the division... the gap between them is frightening.

They started JD Walton, John Jerry, and Charles Brown (along with a slightly overmatched rookie and a disappointing tackle) along the o-line. By the way, that's an IMPROVEMENT over last season's dumpster fire OL.

Saying they need to move on from Eli is basically stating that with an actual OL and quality weapons, he would still be a below average player. There's no way on Earth I'm ready to say that.

I expected to read something more intelligent from Sy of all people.

Just simply disagree. It's about the OLine and Cruz getting hurt.

No one could be successful with last year's OL and this year's, while better, still leaves a lot to be desired.

Eli is still a very good QB just getting into the swing of things with a new offensive system and a C grade OL. In this league, a franchise QB is the difference maker. Put Eli on the Jets and see what happens.

the contract is a problem.

If you think Eli is a problem then the Giants should be working on a trade right now. Look at teams like the Jets or even now the Eagles before you underestimate the importance of a franchise QB.

You can make a rational argument pointing to all the holes on this team, his salary, and what you might receive in a trade. But, I think that would be a huge mistake.

It all starts up front - OL, pass rush and run stopping DTs - you can fix a lot of that in FA and the draft.

I love Eli, but he's not worth 20 million dollars. He's just not. We need to spend that $ on a lot of other areas.

may be decided by a new regime. Blow the thing up and he's a lame duck with an expensive expiring contract. Worth hanging onto by that new regime I think for that one season because of his pedigree and history.

Easy to move on from Eli after 2015 if the new guys think progress can be made faster pursuing another direction.

As so many have stated, the surrounding cast is killing Eli. How do we fix it? We can't afford another contract extension that further hamstrings our salary structure when we need so much talent on both lines. If Nassib is really any good, he's the guy going forward. We don't draft a QB.

We try to make a deal with a team like the Texans who are only a top-notch experienced QB short of contention. Because of Eli's age we probably can't hope for anything better than a third-round pick. We should be able to get a nice player and immense cap relief.

If we can manage to lose two of three to a combination of Tenn, Jax and Wash, we have a good chance at a top-five pick. That MUST BE a big stud left tackle. Beatty goes to the right side, the current RT midget goes to the weight room and moves to guard. The current LG goes to center, where he belongs and we hope Schwartz is going to fully recover from the toe injury and return to being a pile-driving guard. That's a start.

I don't care how many of you I annoy with this, but IMHO JPP flourished large measure because Tuck and Osi were immortal pass rushers. On his own he's not showing me much of the most important ingredient in a DE's job resume. I don't think he's worth a long-term cap-killing contract.

I hope TC retires before he turns himself into a coach with a .500 career record. It's not his fault. That lies with Reese and Ross, who gave a us projects like the midget tight end Beckum and Ramses Barden. If Mara doesn't act after all his talk of accountability then we might be looking at a lot more horrible football. Reese and Ross should be fired.

A new GM will want his own HC, and TC might be 71-72 before we're ready to return to top-notch contention. The new HC probably will want his own coordinators, so wavwe goodbye to Perry Fool and Wackadoo. I love TC and Eli, but nothing lasts forever and we're failing miserably.

So, I agree with those who say it's time to blow it up.

That Eli may not necessarily want to stick around for a rebuild. We all would like another shot at a Super Bowl while Manning still has a few good years in him. Manning probably does too, and he may like his chances more elsewhere. There are some teams out there that have talented rosters with the exception of the QB. Teams like Buffalo or St. Louis come to mind. Miami would probably be better off with Manning over Tannehill for the next few years but they'd probably stick with Tannehill.

You can no longer just write Manning in as the QB. There are some tough questions you have to ask. Even if you can fix all or most of the other problem spots on the roster in 2-3 years, how good will Manning be then and for how long? Keeping Manning is a pretty big roll of the dice at this point, too.

At this time, there are no easy answers for NYG.