There were many of us who were big Evans guys grading into the draft, particularly since he was frequently mocked to us.
But there were quite a few knuckleheads who claimed Evans couldn't run routes or get open and a beneficiary of Johnny Football's unpredictability.
Not sorry how things played off. Just amused at those who purport themselves some football wunderkid, who clearly have no idea what they're talking about...and those who slobber their knobs.
is a football player. He may not be the greatest of WR in terms of measurables aside from his size (ie, speed, burst, cuts), in terms of eye tests on tape, but the guy simply produces.
some guys, including me, didn't like Evans at where we were picking. Who cares.
Even if Evans and OBJ were both on the board today, based on what I am seeing, I still like OBJ. And if Evans turns out to be the better player, again, who cares. He was gone before our pick. And it won't be the first or last time anyone hear was wrong for or against a draft pick.
guys making impact in the league, wondering why we do not have more of them, instead of selecting from less competitive college conferences that play bums on a weekly basis.
I watched almost every A&M game last year and he was usually the most dominant player on the field. He made Manziel better than he was (got blasted for saying that too). No sure how people that watched him dream these weird conclusions but I guess that's BBI for you.
What is laughable is this weak call out thread on the draft contributor at BBI. It's barely 1/2 of the season. Let's call out a guy for not ranking a rookie WR higher. Yeah, that's laughable.
because he apparently didn't think Evans would be the next big thing, he doesn't know what he's talking about? This board is crazy sometimes. I am so tired of hearing about specific draft players this year. Donald, Evans, Martin, Borland. It's just old. We have Beckham. Let's focus, for once, on discussing what we can add around him.
What is laughable is this weak call out thread on the draft contributor at BBI. It's barely 1/2 of the season. Let's call out a guy for not ranking a rookie WR higher. Yeah, that's laughable.
That's the point. He had Evans rated as his 7th best WR, behind the likes of Corey Latimer. He had him ranked similarly to 3rd and 4th rounders. Based on some nonsense of him feasting only on broken plays. This isn't his only wrong call. Just the most wrong...until his Eli post today.
More than that, it's that he's hailed on BBI as being some all-knowing draftnik - based on nothing more than typing a whole bunch of bunk and attaching rankings to it. It's treated as gospel.
who is claiming Eli is essentially done (Sy) and needs to be replaced is the same guy who said Mike Evans is a 3rd round WR.
And therefore lacks credibility.
I think the Eli thread from Sy is more lame than this one.
Before today Eli was for many reasons beyond stats having his best season as a pro or one of them.
He has a bad game and now he can't play anymore.
I would hope someone who sells themself as a amateur? scout wouldn't be so short-sighted or reactionary, it causes you to question many of his other opinions.
You really are one of the most bitter, unhappy people here.
I have been asked by Eric to help contribute to the draft section of the website, that is all. Repeatedly I say that I do not hold myself higher than anyone else, nor will I ever. Not sure where the bitter-ness began...but if I ever did anything to offend you, I can be sure that it was not intentional.
As for Evans...I did not think he was elite coming out. I thought he could have been a Burress/Vincent Jackson type guy if he was put in to the right system. You are wrong about where I had him graded....I believe he finished with a 78...which is a 2nd round grade. And I think he ended up #34 overall on my board. So by no means (at all) did I think he was a bad player.
Lastly...if you are going to spend time looking for all my misses, go for it. I'll even help you out with a few, so don't be afraid to ask. But if you want to spend that precious time doing so...or criticizing the OPINIONS of others...how about you give some credit where it's due? Give it a shot...it may make you a happier person because what you do is actually pathetic. People like my draft reports? So what...does it actually keep you up at night? You act like it does. Get a grip man and realize what you are doing here. I know PRO SCOUTS that work for PRO TEAMS that didn't like Evans. It is an opinion.
If you want to make call out threads...you have far better examples at your disposal than Evans. Again if you want some help with those, I'll be more than happy to share.
who is claiming Eli is essentially done (Sy) and needs to be replaced is the same guy who said Mike Evans is a 3rd round WR.
And therefore lacks credibility.
I think the Eli thread from Sy is more lame than this one.
Before today Eli was for many reasons beyond stats having his best season as a pro or one of them.
He has a bad game and now he can't play anymore.
I would hope someone who sells themself as a amateur? scout wouldn't be so short-sighted or reactionary, it causes you to question many of his other opinions.
Keep the false stuff out of the discussion please....esepcially if you want to attach my name it. I had Evans as a 2nd round player...a few spots out of round 1.
Nobody, including Reese is an all-knowing anything when it comes to drafting college players.
Sy knows college football and the NFL draft. He has his opinions and many on BBI often disagree with him. Nobody here thinks he's all knowing and I don't think he comes off to the readers of BBI this way.
You choose to cherry pick a player after half a season and call him out? You're a douchebag. Plain and simple.
You assigned similar grades to OL prospects whom you projected to go on day 3. Regardless, you projected him as the 7th best WR and the 34th best player overall. Fine. The guy ended up being a top 10 pick and is have a stellar season. Perhaps those PRO SCOUTS you're intimate with didn't know what they were watching either. Guy is a beast.
You assigned similar grades to OL prospects whom you projected to go on day 3. Regardless, you projected him as the 7th best WR and the 34th best player overall. Fine. The guy ended up being a top 10 pick and is have a stellar season. Perhaps those PRO SCOUTS you're intimate with didn't know what they were watching either. Guy is a beast.
You are acting like a pathetic loser. There isn't a scout in the world (the best every or a lowly amateur like me) that hits on even 75% of his grades. It's fun and interesting to discuss though...and see where you were right and wrong. Don't take it for more than what it's worth...which is just discussion.
Which is worse? The fact that I had him #7 overall at WR (in arguably the best WR class ever) or that you are making such a concrete statement 11 games in to his career?
Nobody, including Reese is an all-knowing anything when it comes to drafting college players.
Sy knows college football and the NFL draft. He has his opinions and many on BBI often disagree with him. Nobody here thinks he's all knowing and I don't think he comes off to the readers of BBI this way.
You choose to cherry pick a player after half a season and call him out? You're a douchebag. Plain and simple.
No one, including Reese is perfect. And Reese takes all sorts of shit for it. Probably why an amateur scout - with no CV or perceivable aptitude for it - should probably not post lengthy and wrong dissertations on what the Giants "should have done".
But hey...maybe I'll leave BBI and never give my draft opinions again. Lets see if that is what Eric and the rest of the board wants. Or maybe you can just make the effort to not be the internet tough guy...which again is probably one of the most pathetic traits you can have here. Again you don't look savvy, you don't look smart. You just come across unhappy and agenda-based.
We've lost quite a few good posters over the years due to thin skin and a handful of assholes.
I for one appreciate your opinions and write-ups on draft prospects. I realize that your analysis often differs from from the parroted view of many so called experts. I'd seriously hear your honest opinions (right or wrong) rather than have you dress up consensus information and re-post.
BTW: I disagree with your Eli thread today but I forgive you. :>)
Adds a lot to this site and as a draftnik myself, I appreciate all that he brings here. Scouts have different opinions on all the players. If you want to find fault with Sy's opinions and results of his ratings, we should all take a long look at Jerry Reese's instead.
I disagree with the Eli thread, but no one is always right in pre-draft analysis. I do think though the people who parrot what they read (Mike Evans can't separate and will struggle in the NFL) are the worst form of life, made even worse when they argue or debate that opinion as if its fact.
and one of the pet peeves I have with the Kiper's, Mayocks, McShays, Colin@GBN etc is they make their cases with player rankings and mock drafts and they could be habitually wrong or off base yet no one holds them accountable for it, since there is no repurcussions.
Not saying Sy needs to be accountable, but he should stand by his opinions or just say he was wrong.
Evans has a good shot at becoming an elite WR. He's in a crap offense (no running game, poor OL, not many other weapons) with a crap QB and he's the first rookie WR with three straight 100 yard games with a TD in each since Randy Moss. he's on pace for over 80 catches for 1200 yards and 10 TD's. As a rookie.
and he had Evans ranked 7th overall, with 5 of the guys ahead of him already producing big time in their first NFL seasons. What am I missing?
I remember when everyone here convinced themselves Mario Manningham was the steal of the 2008 draft over Jordy Nelson. After all MM had the more immediate impact.
I think his Kelvin Benjamin analysis is much worse than Evans.
Agreed. I was off on Benjamin a lot more than I was Evans. But Benjamin didn't go for 200 yards today...so MO thought he was a better example for the day.
I disagree with the Eli thread, but no one is always right in pre-draft analysis. I do think though the people who parrot what they read (Mike Evans can't separate and will struggle in the NFL) are the worst form of life, made even worse when they argue or debate that opinion as if its fact.
and one of the pet peeves I have with the Kiper's, Mayocks, McShays, Colin@GBN etc is they make their cases with player rankings and mock drafts and they could be habitually wrong or off base yet no one holds them accountable for it, since there is no repurcussions.
Not saying Sy needs to be accountable, but he should stand by his opinions or just say he was wrong.
Evans has a good shot at becoming an elite WR. He's in a crap offense (no running game, poor OL, not many other weapons) with a crap QB and he's the first rookie WR with three straight 100 yard games with a TD in each since Randy Moss. he's on pace for over 80 catches for 1200 yards and 10 TD's. As a rookie.
the past two years I have created threads about the players I was wrong about. Keep that in mind please. I don't need to do that.
is great Sy, I just disagree with the Eli thread. I tried to respectfully disagree, but if I was disrespectful I apologize.
I like the fact you're willing to put your stuff out there knowing people will criticize and I for one don't get the chance to watch a ton of college ball, so it's one of the first places i look to start getting familiar with the draft.
So thanks.
I don't mind telling you when you were wrong (LOL), but I also like reading your stuff.
Sy is always a good read and his grades are respected here. He knows what he's doing, spends a great amount of time posting his grades on bbi and we all appreciate it.
Meanwhile, you feel the need to call him out because Mike Evans had a good game today. Against the Redskins.
But there were quite a few knuckleheads who claimed Evans couldn't run routes or get open and a beneficiary of Johnny Football's unpredictability.
Not sorry how things played off. Just amused at those who purport themselves some football wunderkid, who clearly have no idea what they're talking about...and those who slobber their knobs.
Remember Donnell 3 TD's?
Laughable then. Laughable now. - ( New Window )
He's pointing out that Sy fucked up in scouting Mike Evans; not that we should've drafted Evans over Beckham Jr.
Bromley, who was at the grocery store when the Giants called him. Amazing. So much for best player available...
Even if Evans and OBJ were both on the board today, based on what I am seeing, I still like OBJ. And if Evans turns out to be the better player, again, who cares. He was gone before our pick. And it won't be the first or last time anyone hear was wrong for or against a draft pick.
and Dep, it's AMARI Cooper. you've got it wrong on a couple of threads already today.
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Given where he was picked and where we picked no?
He's pointing out that Sy fucked up in scouting Mike Evans; not that we should've drafted Evans over Beckham Jr.
Ok...and i sorta got that. Just wondering why it deserves its own thread. This is a call out thread. Not a very viable discussion is all.
That's the point. He had Evans rated as his 7th best WR, behind the likes of Corey Latimer. He had him ranked similarly to 3rd and 4th rounders. Based on some nonsense of him feasting only on broken plays. This isn't his only wrong call. Just the most wrong...until his Eli post today.
More than that, it's that he's hailed on BBI as being some all-knowing draftnik - based on nothing more than typing a whole bunch of bunk and attaching rankings to it. It's treated as gospel.
Nothing against you MO, but this is lame.
And therefore lacks credibility.
I think the Eli thread from Sy is more lame than this one.
Before today Eli was for many reasons beyond stats having his best season as a pro or one of them.
He has a bad game and now he can't play anymore.
I would hope someone who sells themself as a amateur? scout wouldn't be so short-sighted or reactionary, it causes you to question many of his other opinions.
I have been asked by Eric to help contribute to the draft section of the website, that is all. Repeatedly I say that I do not hold myself higher than anyone else, nor will I ever. Not sure where the bitter-ness began...but if I ever did anything to offend you, I can be sure that it was not intentional.
As for Evans...I did not think he was elite coming out. I thought he could have been a Burress/Vincent Jackson type guy if he was put in to the right system. You are wrong about where I had him graded....I believe he finished with a 78...which is a 2nd round grade. And I think he ended up #34 overall on my board. So by no means (at all) did I think he was a bad player.
Lastly...if you are going to spend time looking for all my misses, go for it. I'll even help you out with a few, so don't be afraid to ask. But if you want to spend that precious time doing so...or criticizing the OPINIONS of others...how about you give some credit where it's due? Give it a shot...it may make you a happier person because what you do is actually pathetic. People like my draft reports? So what...does it actually keep you up at night? You act like it does. Get a grip man and realize what you are doing here. I know PRO SCOUTS that work for PRO TEAMS that didn't like Evans. It is an opinion.
If you want to make call out threads...you have far better examples at your disposal than Evans. Again if you want some help with those, I'll be more than happy to share.
And therefore lacks credibility.
I think the Eli thread from Sy is more lame than this one.
Before today Eli was for many reasons beyond stats having his best season as a pro or one of them.
He has a bad game and now he can't play anymore.
I would hope someone who sells themself as a amateur? scout wouldn't be so short-sighted or reactionary, it causes you to question many of his other opinions.
Keep the false stuff out of the discussion please....esepcially if you want to attach my name it. I had Evans as a 2nd round player...a few spots out of round 1.
Sy knows college football and the NFL draft. He has his opinions and many on BBI often disagree with him. Nobody here thinks he's all knowing and I don't think he comes off to the readers of BBI this way.
You choose to cherry pick a player after half a season and call him out? You're a douchebag. Plain and simple.
You assigned similar grades to OL prospects whom you projected to go on day 3. Regardless, you projected him as the 7th best WR and the 34th best player overall. Fine. The guy ended up being a top 10 pick and is have a stellar season. Perhaps those PRO SCOUTS you're intimate with didn't know what they were watching either. Guy is a beast.
You assigned similar grades to OL prospects whom you projected to go on day 3. Regardless, you projected him as the 7th best WR and the 34th best player overall. Fine. The guy ended up being a top 10 pick and is have a stellar season. Perhaps those PRO SCOUTS you're intimate with didn't know what they were watching either. Guy is a beast.
You are acting like a pathetic loser. There isn't a scout in the world (the best every or a lowly amateur like me) that hits on even 75% of his grades. It's fun and interesting to discuss though...and see where you were right and wrong. Don't take it for more than what it's worth...which is just discussion.
Which is worse? The fact that I had him #7 overall at WR (in arguably the best WR class ever) or that you are making such a concrete statement 11 games in to his career?
Sy knows college football and the NFL draft. He has his opinions and many on BBI often disagree with him. Nobody here thinks he's all knowing and I don't think he comes off to the readers of BBI this way.
You choose to cherry pick a player after half a season and call him out? You're a douchebag. Plain and simple.
No one, including Reese is perfect. And Reese takes all sorts of shit for it. Probably why an amateur scout - with no CV or perceivable aptitude for it - should probably not post lengthy and wrong dissertations on what the Giants "should have done".
But hey...maybe I'll leave BBI and never give my draft opinions again. Lets see if that is what Eric and the rest of the board wants. Or maybe you can just make the effort to not be the internet tough guy...which again is probably one of the most pathetic traits you can have here. Again you don't look savvy, you don't look smart. You just come across unhappy and agenda-based.
I for one appreciate your opinions and write-ups on draft prospects. I realize that your analysis often differs from from the parroted view of many so called experts. I'd seriously hear your honest opinions (right or wrong) rather than have you dress up consensus information and re-post.
BTW: I disagree with your Eli thread today but I forgive you. :>)
B. Guy who bitches and moans about opinions
Though choice
I disagree with the Eli thread, but no one is always right in pre-draft analysis. I do think though the people who parrot what they read (Mike Evans can't separate and will struggle in the NFL) are the worst form of life, made even worse when they argue or debate that opinion as if its fact.
and one of the pet peeves I have with the Kiper's, Mayocks, McShays, Colin@GBN etc is they make their cases with player rankings and mock drafts and they could be habitually wrong or off base yet no one holds them accountable for it, since there is no repurcussions.
Not saying Sy needs to be accountable, but he should stand by his opinions or just say he was wrong.
Evans has a good shot at becoming an elite WR. He's in a crap offense (no running game, poor OL, not many other weapons) with a crap QB and he's the first rookie WR with three straight 100 yard games with a TD in each since Randy Moss. he's on pace for over 80 catches for 1200 yards and 10 TD's. As a rookie.
I remember when everyone here convinced themselves Mario Manningham was the steal of the 2008 draft over Jordy Nelson. After all MM had the more immediate impact.
Agreed. I was off on Benjamin a lot more than I was Evans. But Benjamin didn't go for 200 yards today...so MO thought he was a better example for the day.
I disagree with the Eli thread, but no one is always right in pre-draft analysis. I do think though the people who parrot what they read (Mike Evans can't separate and will struggle in the NFL) are the worst form of life, made even worse when they argue or debate that opinion as if its fact.
and one of the pet peeves I have with the Kiper's, Mayocks, McShays, Colin@GBN etc is they make their cases with player rankings and mock drafts and they could be habitually wrong or off base yet no one holds them accountable for it, since there is no repurcussions.
Not saying Sy needs to be accountable, but he should stand by his opinions or just say he was wrong.
Evans has a good shot at becoming an elite WR. He's in a crap offense (no running game, poor OL, not many other weapons) with a crap QB and he's the first rookie WR with three straight 100 yard games with a TD in each since Randy Moss. he's on pace for over 80 catches for 1200 yards and 10 TD's. As a rookie.
the past two years I have created threads about the players I was wrong about. Keep that in mind please. I don't need to do that.
I like the fact you're willing to put your stuff out there knowing people will criticize and I for one don't get the chance to watch a ton of college ball, so it's one of the first places i look to start getting familiar with the draft.
So thanks.
I don't mind telling you when you were wrong (LOL), but I also like reading your stuff.
Meanwhile, you feel the need to call him out because Mike Evans had a good game today. Against the Redskins.
Nice job.