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List your top 3 ideal 1st round choice

dep026 : 11/17/2014 12:37 pm
Assuming we win a few more games and land in the area of 8-12, who do you realistically think the Giants should draft:

1. Amari Cooper
2. Vic Beasley (let JPP walk)
3. Landon Collins
I won't pick a name, but positions  
Victor in CT : 11/17/2014 12:43 pm : link
the best OL, DL of LB worthy of such a high pick. If none, then S
.  
Danny Kanell : 11/17/2014 12:44 pm : link
1) Cooper
2) OL
3) DE
Don't think Beasley's big enough to be a 4-3 end  
jeff57 : 11/17/2014 12:44 pm : link
Or good enough in coverage to be 4-4 OLB.
If we are in the 8-12 range  
nygiants16 : 11/17/2014 12:50 pm : link
1) Cooper
2) Cedric Oghbuehi
3) Brandon Sheriff
4) Landon Collins
5) Vic Beasely
Don't know college football names,  
Phil in Joisey : 11/17/2014 12:52 pm : link
but we must select the best offensive lineman available when our turn comes in the first round.
Cooper  
KWhite2250 : 11/17/2014 12:56 pm : link
Kevin White
Randy Gregory

The LB I would like if he is there in 2nd rd is chi chi ariguzo
RE: Don't know college football names,  
nygiants16 : 11/17/2014 12:57 pm : link
In comment 11984198 Phil in Joisey said:
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but we must select the best offensive lineman available when our turn comes in the first round.


No they shouldnt because the best OL available by the time the Giants pick may not be in that range...

For example if they are in the 7-10 range and Sheriff and Ogbuehi are off the table there really is not another OL in that range to draft...

this is something that bugs me about people on BBI...People keep saying draft the highest rated OL but if the highest rated OL left on their board is in the 12-15 range why are you reaching for that player?
Admit failure  
bluegenes : 11/17/2014 12:59 pm : link
and start complete re-build ... and you start with building both lines ... wouldn't be upset to see: OL/DL/LB only for all 7 picks
Keep an eye on DE Nate Orchard from Utah  
jeff57 : 11/17/2014 1:02 pm : link
he's a complete DE for a 4-3. Think he will be a big riser. Also like Andrus Peat and Shaq Thompson.
I'll use Victor's idea...  
Chris in Philly : 11/17/2014 1:02 pm : link
No names yet, but positions:

1. OL
2. WR
3. DE
RE: Keep an eye on DE Nate Orchard from Utah  
nygiants16 : 11/17/2014 1:03 pm : link
In comment 11984230 jeff57 said:
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he's a complete DE for a 4-3. Think he will be a big riser. Also like Andrus Peat and Shaq Thompson.


Shaq Thompson is going fly up the board and be the hot name after the combine because he is such an athletic player...
RE: I'll use Victor's idea...  
nygiants16 : 11/17/2014 1:04 pm : link
In comment 11984231 Chris in Philly said:
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No names yet, but positions:

1. OL
2. WR
3. DE


If you actually look at it though there are only 2 OL right now in the range of where the Giants are picking and both are RT's not Left...
Enough is enough  
Overseer : 11/17/2014 1:04 pm : link
1) Brandon Scherff
2) Brandon Scherff
3) Brandon Scherff

This team is going nowhere until the O-line is upgraded. I still have nightmares from that humiliating prime time Philly game.
it sb  
blue42 : 11/17/2014 1:09 pm : link
1. Melvin Gordon
2 and 3 should be bigger type guards than we have now.
I still maintain that the Giants will be  
Reb8thVA : 11/17/2014 1:11 pm : link
pickin in the top six. With that in mind I focus on

DE Randy Gregory Nebraska
DE Leonard Williams USC
OT Brandon Scherff
OT Andrus Peat
WR Amari Cooper
You almost have to take Gregory  
Overseer : 11/17/2014 1:16 pm : link
if he falls to the Giants (as much as the OL is screaming for help), but I think they will limp their way to 6 wins and out of the top 5.
Amari Cooper, Shaq Thompson, Brandon Scherff  
Greg from LI : 11/17/2014 1:19 pm : link
In that order
Top 3 in no particular order  
sjnyfan : 11/17/2014 1:25 pm : link
Landon Collins, S, Alabama (one safety signed past this season)
Tyrus Thompson, OT, Oklahoma
Amari Cooper, WR, Alabama

Early darkhorses are TJ Clemmings from Pitt and Melvin Gordon

Not to bust others' stones but I don't want Ogbuehi or Scherff. I think both are highly overrated and I've seen them get beat often. Ogbuehi is third on my list of recent A&M tackles including Joeckel and Matthews and they aren't lighting it up in the NFL. Don't be surprised if during evaluation time teams try to figure if he's a tackle or guard (which is what he played two years ago with Matthews and Joeckel) which pushes his stock down, possibly to the 2nd. Think Jonathan Martin when he was coming out of Stanford.

I also don't want Shaq Thompson. Highly athletic but a safety sliding into LB and it shows. He's all over the field but not a strong finisher, especially against the run. Think Alec Ogletree. Wherever we pick in the first, it'll be too high for Thompson. If not for the knee problems I'd much rather have his teammate Hau'Oli Kikaha, the most explosive pass rusher in college this year. He has 22.5 TFLs including 16.5 sacks through 11 games but 2 reconstructive knee surgeries will scare teams off.
My picks are based on if we're picking in the 8-13 range  
sjnyfan : 11/17/2014 1:26 pm : link
which is where I think we'll end up
Can't go wrong with my picks.  
Cam in MO : 11/17/2014 1:32 pm : link
#1- Perennial all-pro OG that plays for 15yrs with the Giants and makes the HOF.

#2- Perennial all-pro LB that plays for 15yrs with the Giants and makes the HOF.

#3- Perennial all-pro S that plays for 15yrs with the Giants and makes the HOF.


Gregory,  
AcidTest : 11/17/2014 1:40 pm : link
Williams, maybe Peat.

No to Landon Collins. More of an "in the box" safety than a cover guy. Yes to Anthony Harris after a trade down. Same for G A.J. Cann. Eli Harold, Harris's teammate is also worth watching, but at 6'4", 250, he's probably too small to play DE in the NFL. He also can be controlled in the run game, but has aggressive pass rush ability.
Definitly not  
tomjgiant : 11/17/2014 1:44 pm : link
a WR,we just did that.I don't know what players will be there but unless there is an incredible defencive player,I would go OL in rounds 1&2.We have to fix this line or be rihgt back here again next year!
RE: Definitly not  
nygiants16 : 11/17/2014 1:46 pm : link
In comment 11984410 tomjgiant said:
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a WR,we just did that.I don't know what players will be there but unless there is an incredible defencive player,I would go OL in rounds 1&2.We have to fix this line or be rihgt back here again next year!


If the top player on your board is WR why would you not go WR? because the Giants are so stacked at that position?

I am sorry i would rather get the stud WR who is going to be here for 10-12 years next to beckham rather than reach for OL...

Hate to tell you but WR is a need as well...
In the 8-12 range, assuming  
bob in tx : 11/17/2014 1:56 pm : link
Leonard Williams, Gregory and Cooper are gone, then

1. trade down( had to be said)
1A. La'el Collins
2. Andrus Peat
3. Shawn Oakman

I'm not sold on Landon Collins and think NYG can get a starting safety out of the next 5-6 safeties on most boards.
like it always should be  
chuckydee9 : 11/17/2014 2:11 pm : link
Best player available.
Me:  
Anakim : 11/17/2014 2:22 pm : link
1) Landon Collins
2) Gerod Holliman
3) Shawn Oakman
Gregory  
KWALL : 11/17/2014 2:31 pm : link
looks more like a 3-4 OLB to me.

I'd like another Beckham.

The OT from Iowa Scherf is an offensive weapon. He can really move and pull.
I'm a homer  
odunde : 11/17/2014 2:46 pm : link
Shaq Thompson
Danny Shelton
Shaq Thompson

A name so nice, it gets in twice
I like Gregory  
JonC : 11/17/2014 3:06 pm : link
He might be better suited to 3-4 OLB in the end, and Leonard Williams doesn't look like a 4-3 DE to me.

Not a great draft to be picking high with NYG's needs, but early on WR and OT look like the strongest projections so far.
And  
JonC : 11/17/2014 3:07 pm : link
you can forget about LB.
.  
DG_89 : 11/17/2014 3:14 pm : link
1. Amari Cooper. Yes we drafted OBJ this year but we have no idea what Cruz is going to be like, Randle is just a possession WR and I don't expect Jernigan reassigned. Eli's in his prime. Give him weapons and set the new QB up nicely

2. Brandon Scherff. Watching this OL get manhandled week after week us infuriating. Get a guy that can play physical football. He can be the RT or LG if they insist on leaving Pugh there

3. Landon Collins. Insurance if Rolle wants too much money. If not he becomes our SS and heir apparent when Rolle is done

I would have gone with Shaq Thompson but his size worries me
I'd have no problem taking Cooper if he were the BPA  
jeff57 : 11/17/2014 3:18 pm : link
But I'm not sure he gets past 5, especially now with Gurley's injury, and I don't think we'll end up that high.
any answer other then OL is proof of brain damage  
BigBlueCane : 11/17/2014 3:34 pm : link
and I don't want hear any more about 'value' , 'range' or etc...

The shitshows we've been subjected to on Sundays for the past few years should be enough to highlight the madness of continuing that train of thought.
draft  
blapre74 : 11/17/2014 3:35 pm : link
best athlete. why is OBJ so great? because he's a great athlete. take a linebacker if there is a very good one. take a tackle, if there is a very good one. Just about any position besides kicker and QB. Let's hope V.C. comes back at slot receiver. If he does, they should be OK at receiver.
RE: draft  
jeff57 : 11/17/2014 3:36 pm : link
In comment 11984825 blapre74 said:
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best athlete. why is OBJ so great? because he's a great athlete. take a linebacker if there is a very good one. take a tackle, if there is a very good one. Just about any position besides kicker and QB. Let's hope V.C. comes back at slot receiver. If he does, they should be OK at receiver.


Well, Shaq Thompson is probably the best athlete.
if OL needs are that urgent, and I agree they are  
JonC : 11/17/2014 3:41 pm : link
then you go out via UFA and spend the money to address the urgent need(s), you don't leave it until the draft and then burn picks regardless of position.
If the Alabama WR is there,  
Go Terps : 11/17/2014 3:45 pm : link
it has to be him. Absolutely has to be.
Oh yes let's continue to rely on Free Agency  
BigBlueCane : 11/17/2014 3:45 pm : link
because it's worked out so well for us under the current front office setup.
The team's evaluation processes need work  
JonC : 11/17/2014 3:47 pm : link
but UFA is supposed to deliver proven veteran talent and immediate upgrades.

Building longer term through the draft is smart, but picking a position or bust is desperate.
RE: Oh yes let's continue to rely on Free Agency  
nygiants16 : 11/17/2014 3:51 pm : link
In comment 11984846 BigBlueCane said:
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because it's worked out so well for us under the current front office setup.


Actually it has when it comes to offensive line

5 of the 10 offensive lineman from the past 2 super bowl teams were signed as free agents
geez, dep, I was sure you were gonna go with a  
Bill in UT : 11/17/2014 4:24 pm : link
QB
this team is soft and needs some nastiness  
GIANTSr01 : 11/17/2014 4:28 pm : link
Sign Iupati and Suh (JPP can walk). Beatty-Iupati-Richburg-Scwartz-Pugh should be a solid line.

Then draft:
1st Rd: DE/WR
2nd Rd: DE/WR/LB/S

The offense needs another playmaker (especially if Cruz isn't 100%) to go with Beckham and the defense needs pass rushers and impact players at LB/S
And the guy who made those free evaluations  
BigBlueCane : 11/17/2014 4:29 pm : link
is currently in Carolina.

I'm just tired and pissed that people want to continue down this path of madness when we've seen the results. A shell-shocked QB and a shit offense.

It's beyond time to abandon the approach the Reese has used to assemble one of the worst rosters in the league.
We are going to need a WR and RB next year too  
Some Fan : 11/17/2014 4:30 pm : link
Those are also big holes.
you can find RB's  
BigBlueCane : 11/17/2014 4:33 pm : link
and WR's later on the draft.

Dancing elephants have priority.
How are  
Headhunter : 11/17/2014 4:38 pm : link
Khalil Mack & Anthony Barr doing ?
Screw position except QB  
mrvax : 11/17/2014 5:31 pm : link
You should go with the guy you have rated as the best playmaker with your first round choice. Position be damned. This is the guy you want to keep a long time and clearly has the potential to be a week to week game changer.

Someone like Beckham.

Round 2,3 should probably look at best Oline, best linebacker you can get in particular order.

Cooper, Strong, Gordon.  
Shockeyisthebest80 : 11/17/2014 5:34 pm : link
This team needs MASSIVE upgrades at the skill positions. I'm done with Randle and I don't think Cruz can be counted on as a definite. I don't care for any of the OL outside of Collins and the top-flight DL will be gone when the Giants pick.
RE: How are  
mrvax : 11/17/2014 5:51 pm : link
In comment 11984976 Headhunter said:
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Khalil Mack & Anthony Barr doing ?


Good question and interesting to me.
Khalil Mack - 56 tackles, 1 sack , 1FF
Anthony Barr - 62 tackles, 4 sacks , 1FF

These look like good production but I'd really like to hear comments from folks who have seen them play.
Aren't they both 3-4 backers?
JonC  
Emlen'sGremlins : 11/17/2014 6:55 pm : link
Your Anti LB stance, Coupled With Reese's Neglect For The Position Has Left Us In Such Great Shape Currently!
So we have a QB who's got a specific window of time left to compete  
David in LA : 11/17/2014 10:51 pm : link
spending a pick on a OL in the 1st doesn't guarantee immediate returns, that's why you go the FA route to fill spots that are huge needs. It took Beatty 2 years to develop, the prospects at OL this year seems shaky, if you're ok with reaching for a OL with a top 10 pick, you're ok with continued failure.
it's not MY anit-LB stance  
JonC : 11/18/2014 7:59 am : link
just an awareness of how the team prioritizes positions.
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