but i want someone who is going to be aggressive with their scheme's..I know right now the Giants secondary looks like trash because of the injuries but when fully healthy you have guys on the outside who can hold their own...
I dont want to see anymore Corner's dropping off 10 yards on 3rd and long...i dont want lineman dropping into coverage...with DRC, Prince, Hopefully a health Thurmond, Mcbride, Bowman you have guys who can hold their own 1 on 1...
I know its not all Fewell's fault because of injuries but the lack of agressiveness with this defense has really bothered me the past couple of years...
When you cant generate a pass rush with 4 guys you have to be creative with your blitzes and it seems whenever he calls a blitz its just a linebacker running straight into a lineman there is no creativity..
He had a great working relationship with Coughlin and maybe that's the role he was cut out for.
What has he done since he left?
not much obviously, but had he done before we signed him?
He would absolutely be an upgrade over Fewell who needs to go. I'd put him on a short list of candidates.
with anything a NY sports writer says....but I like the idea. I'm personally ready to say goodbye to TC, as I think his philosophies have not kept up with the changes in the NFL game, but this is maybe the one scenario that I think keeping him would make sense.
Spags struggled since he left here but we all saw what he's capable of when he coached here. I remember feeling that his game plans actually gave us an edge over our opponents - and I have not felt that way since he left. And he was put in some pretty tough situations with the Rams and Saints. I have to believe he can still put together a good game plan and get the most out of his players.
To me it makes too much sense not to bring him back. But Gary Myers wrote it so it must be a bad idea. Flame away.
with anything a NY sports writer says....but I like the idea. I'm personally ready to say goodbye to TC, as I think his philosophies have not kept up with the changes in the NFL game, but this is maybe the one scenario that I think keeping him would make sense.
Spags struggled since he left here but we all saw what he's capable of when he coached here. I remember feeling that his game plans actually gave us an edge over our opponents - and I have not felt that way since he left. And he was put in some pretty tough situations with the Rams and Saints. I have to believe he can still put together a good game plan and get the most out of his players.
To me it makes too much sense not to bring him back. But Gary Myers wrote it so it must be a bad idea. Flame away.
Michael Strahan, Osi Umenyiora, and young, hungry Justin Tuck aren't coming back with him.
I actually don't mind the idea. We need much better players, obviously, and Spags's defense matched our strengths superbly back when he was our DC (which it wouldn't now). But he's someone who I think had legitimate reasons for his failures as DC in NO.
Yep. His post-Giants career is underwhelming, but he was in two horrific situations. That Rams job is such a coach-killer, and the 2012 Saints was a bizarre anomaly on so many levels.
Yep. His post-Giants career is underwhelming, but he was in two horrific situations. That Rams job is such a coach-killer, and the 2012 Saints was a bizarre anomaly on so many levels.
And maybe he just is a shitty HC but a solid DC. The transition is difficult. Norv Turner is a great OC but a shitty HC (not that Spags is the DC equivalent of Turner).
I'm not in a rush to hand him the DC job, but I don't see a great rationale to throw cold water on it either.
Hire Spags and Falcs ST coach Keith Armstrong who starred on Hard Knocks and with B-Mac guiding an offense that we saw last weekend, that's a winning formula.
I'd have no problem making that switch. Plenty of good coordinators flame out as head coaches then resume their careers as coordinators. Kevin Gilbride is a perfect example. I couldn't give a lesser shit about Spags' year in New Orleans - the league dropped an atomic bomb on that organization.
The BIGGEST problem has been with the choices that have been made with regards to the PERSONNEL of this team. over the last 3 years the choices have just not been good, and regardless of the coaching, the talent has undermined a lot of that and the coaches haven't been able to develop enough players to field a playoff contender.
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but he's not the panacea some think he will be and he's not turning this defense into the 2007 Giants.
Yeah, I agree with that. I think most coaches are more levered to the talents (or lack thereof) of their team than anything else anyway. Spags would struggle with our talent right now.
I get the impression that a lot of BBI'ers are the types of dudes who just can't get over ex girlfriends and never let it go.
"I wonder if there's still a chance.. we were so great together... "
Is this better or worse than the BBIers who want to the other dude's fiancé?
Ha! You were close to hitting one out there but the missing verb and incorrectness of there being a "fiance" involved in that situation made your ball die on the warning track and fall for a long out.
Anyway.. any DC is going to be hard pressed to do much with this group. Especially what it is right now with all of the injuries.
How many good NFL defense don't have 1 good linebacker? I can't think of any. You can't have an entire level of your defense be almost entirely devoid of starting caliber NFL talent. Not saying we need an all-pro at WILL, MIKE and SAM, but.. this group is bad.
We also have a DE playing the majority of the defensive snaps who has a giant fork sticking out of his back.
Maybe Spags could scheme his way out of some of this but I wouldn't bet on much improvement.
The Giants defense will get better when the talent does. Not when a magician comes in here and calls more blitzes.
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time to reboot this team, gm, coaches, players. Modernize for today's NFL. It would be nice to actually see our player a game like they were prepared properly and give effort.
Right now we look like a govt agency, lots of talk, lots of activity and plans, but no productivity or results that matter.
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The BIGGEST problem has been with the choices that have been made with regards to the PERSONNEL of this team. over the last 3 years the choices have just not been good, and regardless of the coaching, the talent has undermined a lot of that and the coaches haven't been able to develop enough players to field a playoff contender.
The coaching is also a big factor, and you should not let them off. I find it hard to believe that the majority of the guys on our roster could not be coached up to play at the levels we need. Coaching fail. That nobody linebacker for the Niners was making plays all over the field on Sunday.
With how bad this thing is right now. Bad teams can turn things around with the current regime maintained. I'm not saying I want coughlin to stay but I'm also not sure I want him fired.
Words like disaster and blow it up fit the commentary but did coughlin forget how to coach? Or did the talent sink below the water mark?
Again, not saying I want him back but I am nervous that the next coach won't be right for the job and with a little roster tinkering coughlin can turn this ship around.
He was not a special talent when he was here and has been less than stellar since leaving in a variety of roles. Plus, that move would stink of grooming the next HC and I want no part of him as a HC.
Let's bring back Spags! Let's bring back Parcells!
I love Spags, but what the hell has he done since he left?
Let's just draft well, and if we need to make any coaching changes, let's get some up and coming guys that can grow with the team.
For that matter, he didn't exactly light it up when he was here. The D got very hot at the right time for a SB run. The rest of his time, they were a mediocre D that got good pressure up front.
Maybe coughlin has had a big say in personnel and much of the roster failures are on him. I've always respected coughlin's team building prowess so maybe I need to take that into account. I killed fassel and reeves for the lack of talent and overall direction, I guess it's fair to get on coughlin too.
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A 1 year competition to determine the next head coach? I should have stopped reading at that point. What would Tom Coughlin do, officiate?
McAdoo hasn't shown anything so far. So why do so many people think in the next season and a half he'll not only prove himself as an offensive coordinator, but be ready to be a head coach?. Fewell needs to go.(Quinn too) Tom Coughlin is too old, so he won't be here the next time they are good enough to be something in the playoffs. All new coordinators putting in new systems and learning their jobs with retirement looming? The next head coach will want to bring in his own staff.
As for Spags, I wouldn't mind him coming back as a DC or HC. Look how well Belicheck did after a few year break from his first head coaching job.
half on only having maybe 2 healthy impact players (Rolle/DRC, maybe JPP) and the other is Fewell. I'm not going to pretend that I watch tons of film or say Fewell doesn't know hot to blitz because i'd be lying like most others who boast.
But one thing I do know is there needs to be both an influx in new talent and new philosophy. I think we got the philosophy part down on offense with McAdoo (whether Coughlin holds him back is for another thread), but we've been so stale on D that i'd love to bring back a familiar face that came up with a fresh D to throw at one of the best SB runs in the history of the game.
I dont want to see anymore Corner's dropping off 10 yards on 3rd and long...i dont want lineman dropping into coverage...with DRC, Prince, Hopefully a health Thurmond, Mcbride, Bowman you have guys who can hold their own 1 on 1...
I know its not all Fewell's fault because of injuries but the lack of agressiveness with this defense has really bothered me the past couple of years...
When you cant generate a pass rush with 4 guys you have to be creative with your blitzes and it seems whenever he calls a blitz its just a linebacker running straight into a lineman there is no creativity..
Bring back Spagnola!
Pffft, I don't want any former Eagles TEs coaching the Giants.
Amen!
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Spagnola is the cure for what ails this team!
Bring back Spagnola!
Pffft, I don't want any former Eagles TEs coaching the Giants.
I laughed but I'm afraid your humor will be lost on many here
What has he done since he left?
not much obviously, but had he done before we signed him?
He would absolutely be an upgrade over Fewell who needs to go. I'd put him on a short list of candidates.
Spags struggled since he left here but we all saw what he's capable of when he coached here. I remember feeling that his game plans actually gave us an edge over our opponents - and I have not felt that way since he left. And he was put in some pretty tough situations with the Rams and Saints. I have to believe he can still put together a good game plan and get the most out of his players.
To me it makes too much sense not to bring him back. But Gary Myers wrote it so it must be a bad idea. Flame away.
Spags struggled since he left here but we all saw what he's capable of when he coached here. I remember feeling that his game plans actually gave us an edge over our opponents - and I have not felt that way since he left. And he was put in some pretty tough situations with the Rams and Saints. I have to believe he can still put together a good game plan and get the most out of his players.
To me it makes too much sense not to bring him back. But Gary Myers wrote it so it must be a bad idea. Flame away.
Michael Strahan, Osi Umenyiora, and young, hungry Justin Tuck aren't coming back with him.
"I wonder if there's still a chance.. we were so great together... "
P.S. Ur 4 aces is now a pair of 3s, shur u will b fine tho.
And maybe he just is a shitty HC but a solid DC. The transition is difficult. Norv Turner is a great OC but a shitty HC (not that Spags is the DC equivalent of Turner).
I'm not in a rush to hand him the DC job, but I don't see a great rationale to throw cold water on it either.
Dump Coughlin on this ass.
Hire Spags and Falcs ST coach Keith Armstrong who starred on Hard Knocks and with B-Mac guiding an offense that we saw last weekend, that's a winning formula.
The Rams, Saints and Ravens don't have our dust.
Zero
lmao
"I wonder if there's still a chance.. we were so great together... "
Is this better or worse than the BBIers who want to the other dude's fiancé?
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I get the impression that a lot of BBI'ers are the types of dudes who just can't get over ex girlfriends and never let it go.
"I wonder if there's still a chance.. we were so great together... "
Is this better or worse than the BBIers who want to the other dude's fiancé?
Yeah, I agree with that. I think most coaches are more levered to the talents (or lack thereof) of their team than anything else anyway. Spags would struggle with our talent right now.
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I get the impression that a lot of BBI'ers are the types of dudes who just can't get over ex girlfriends and never let it go.
"I wonder if there's still a chance.. we were so great together... "
Is this better or worse than the BBIers who want to the other dude's fiancé?
Ha! You were close to hitting one out there but the missing verb and incorrectness of there being a "fiance" involved in that situation made your ball die on the warning track and fall for a long out.
Definitely had the right idea, though.
Is a B+ ok?
How many good NFL defense don't have 1 good linebacker? I can't think of any. You can't have an entire level of your defense be almost entirely devoid of starting caliber NFL talent. Not saying we need an all-pro at WILL, MIKE and SAM, but.. this group is bad.
We also have a DE playing the majority of the defensive snaps who has a giant fork sticking out of his back.
Maybe Spags could scheme his way out of some of this but I wouldn't bet on much improvement.
The Giants defense will get better when the talent does. Not when a magician comes in here and calls more blitzes.
Agree with Mr Shep.
The legend continues...
Right now we look like a govt agency, lots of talk, lots of activity and plans, but no productivity or results that matter.
The coaching is also a big factor, and you should not let them off. I find it hard to believe that the majority of the guys on our roster could not be coached up to play at the levels we need. Coaching fail. That nobody linebacker for the Niners was making plays all over the field on Sunday.
Words like disaster and blow it up fit the commentary but did coughlin forget how to coach? Or did the talent sink below the water mark?
Again, not saying I want him back but I am nervous that the next coach won't be right for the job and with a little roster tinkering coughlin can turn this ship around.
I hate this.
I'd take anyone over Fewell really. But, I wouldn't want to look forward with Spags. I'd like a true and significant upgrade at DC.
Let's bring back Spags! Let's bring back Parcells!
I love Spags, but what the hell has he done since he left?
Let's just draft well, and if we need to make any coaching changes, let's get some up and coming guys that can grow with the team.
For that matter, he didn't exactly light it up when he was here. The D got very hot at the right time for a SB run. The rest of his time, they were a mediocre D that got good pressure up front.
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but he's not the panacea some think he will be and he's not turning this defense into the 2007 Giants.
Agree with Mr Shep.
McAdoo hasn't shown anything so far. So why do so many people think in the next season and a half he'll not only prove himself as an offensive coordinator, but be ready to be a head coach?. Fewell needs to go.(Quinn too) Tom Coughlin is too old, so he won't be here the next time they are good enough to be something in the playoffs. All new coordinators putting in new systems and learning their jobs with retirement looming? The next head coach will want to bring in his own staff.
As for Spags, I wouldn't mind him coming back as a DC or HC. Look how well Belicheck did after a few year break from his first head coaching job.
Williams Kennard McClain
Prince DRC Rolle Taylor
top 10 defense.
LOL!
True, true... however you shouldn't let that steer clear thinking. You know, the whole "Even a broken clock" thing.
But one thing I do know is there needs to be both an influx in new talent and new philosophy. I think we got the philosophy part down on offense with McAdoo (whether Coughlin holds him back is for another thread), but we've been so stale on D that i'd love to bring back a familiar face that came up with a fresh D to throw at one of the best SB runs in the history of the game.