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Graziano: Do the Giants need a 19m QB in McAdoo's system?

Defenderdawg : 11/18/2014 1:03 pm
"The question is whether the Giants need a $19 million quarterback in Ben McAdoo's system, and that's where it gets interesting. Manning's salary is as high as it is because of his Super Bowl heroics, and the Giants haven't blinked at committing 17-18 percent of their salary cap annually to Manning because he has been so reliable. He never misses a game, never causes drama inside or outside the building and he has, in the past, demonstrated an ability to elevate the players around him to a championship level. In this day and age, when 32 teams are looking for franchise quarterbacks and there aren't 20 walking the Earth, there's no such thing as overspending to get or keep one.

But under the new offensive system, the requirements for being the Giants' franchise quarterback may be changing. The Giants don't really throw the ball downfield anymore, and McAdoo's offense is designed to eliminate risk. It won't be asking Manning to make the heroic throws he made in the past in playoff games and Super Bowls. Part of Manning's magic has always been his fearlessness of tough throws and his ability to hit them in the clutch. In a timing-based offense that rarely asks the quarterback to throw the ball more than 10 yards past the line of scrimmage, those qualities may not be worth a premium price anymore."
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More garbage from Graziano  
Giantology : 11/18/2014 1:04 pm : link
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Nah, lets go for a  
giantgiantfan : 11/18/2014 1:05 pm : link
Sanchez type QB.
Wow, overthink much?  
Curtis in VA : 11/18/2014 1:06 pm : link
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You mean...  
Chris in Philly : 11/18/2014 1:06 pm : link
the system that comes from one with Aaron Rodgers running it? Then, yes.
Seems incredibly narrow-sighted  
Ten Ton Hammer : 11/18/2014 1:08 pm : link
They were looking downfield plenty on sunday.
Regardless of the rest of the junk...  
Britt in VA : 11/18/2014 1:09 pm : link
please sticky this for all of BBI to see:

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Manning's salary is as high as it is because of his Super Bowl heroics, and the Giants haven't blinked at committing 17-18 percent of their salary cap annually to Manning because he has been so reliable. He never misses a game, never causes drama inside or outside the building and he has, in the past, demonstrated an ability to elevate the players around him to a championship level. In this day and age, when 32 teams are looking for franchise quarterbacks and there aren't 20 walking the Earth, there's no such thing as overspending to get or keep one.
If this team is blown up in the offseason  
Default : 11/18/2014 1:09 pm : link
i'd be for shipping Eli to St. Louis so he can win another Superbowl.
The Giants don't need a QB with a *cap hit* of that much because  
Riggies : 11/18/2014 1:10 pm : link
they're a terrible team and unless you've discovered Jesus alive, real, and wanting to play football, pretty much no one is going to do much for them right now.

Eli's AAV of his current deal is $16.2M and that's sub-Alex Smith's AAV. $17M-$19M a year is the going price for any QB that isn't terrible or on a rookie deal, even if they're not carrying a massive load. Again, not that it matters to this team, given where they're at and how far away they may well be from rebounding.
Its an interesting question.  
eclipz928 : 11/18/2014 1:12 pm : link
And the answer is probably no. But then you have to explore what the answer to the 2nd question would be, which is if not Eli then who would you spend the additional $19 million on?

There's only but so many good free agents available each season that the team passes on because of cap restrictions. Regardless, after next season Eli won't be commanding that kind of salary and the Giants are already in a good cap situation going into 2015. The amount that Eli is making is mostly irrelevant.
Aaron Rodgers...  
BillKo : 11/18/2014 1:13 pm : link
was whipping the ball around pretty far on Sunday.

Give Eli protection and some more weapons, it's a lot easier to throw deep.
Fucking stupidity  
BillT : 11/18/2014 1:13 pm : link
You ALWAYS need a franchise QB. ALWAYS.

Ask Washington or even Philly if they'd like Eli at any price.
If it were so easy, why aren't those other teams  
jcn56 : 11/18/2014 1:13 pm : link
looking for a million dollar coordinator instead of a franchise QB?
Yes  
Deej : 11/18/2014 1:15 pm : link
You can quibble over whether Eli is the right kind of QB for this offense, but the notion that we should downgrade at QB is preposterous. This is a QB league -- no one takes a dive at that position.
I love Eli, but it's an open question whether he should be one of the  
BeerFridge : 11/18/2014 1:15 pm : link
highest paid QBs in the game.
the reality is  
mdc1 : 11/18/2014 1:16 pm : link
Eli for what he is paid and what he can do is NOT DOING anything to put us in the playoffs or Superbowl currently. Graziano is right.
Since being involved in the offensive game  
TEPLimey : 11/18/2014 1:20 pm : link
McAdoo has had the following QBs:

Charlie Frye (Akron, 2004), who went on to play in the NFL.
Trent Edwards (Stanford, 2005), who went on to play in the NFL.
Alex Smith (49ers, 2005), who was the #1 overall pick.
Brett Fave (Packers, 2005-6)
Aaron Rodgers (Packers, 2007-13)

With the exception of arguably Smith, these were all high quality QBs (at least in view of their relative competition). In fact, the fact that the 49ers invested a #1 pick in Smith doesn't lend itself to the theory that McAdoo's "system" (to the extent it existed in 2005) either.

There's no body of work to support the theory that the McAdoo system does not require a high-quality QB to be successful.
Systems that scheme around  
Enoch : 11/18/2014 1:21 pm : link
merely-adequate QB play can do OK in the modern NFL, but they very rarely stand up over a 3-4 game playoff run against top competition.
The question is what are you offered for Eli?  
nygiants16 : 11/18/2014 1:24 pm : link
if you are offered a 1st round pick for him i think i pull the trigger...
That is a lot of stupid for one article  
Mike from Ohio : 11/18/2014 1:27 pm : link
Every team is looking for a franchise QB because there are not many out there, but a team that has one should consider giving him up, because he is not necessary?

Why is he not asking this same question of the Green Bay Packers? They could probably get a king's ransom for Rodgers and then pick up Jason Campbell and keep on rolling!

Just really, really stupid.
Maybe Packers Should Ditch Rodgers  
clatterbuck : 11/18/2014 1:32 pm : link
and go with Matt Flynn. Maybe Niners and Bill Walsh really didn't need Joe Montana after all.
NO  
old man : 11/18/2014 1:44 pm : link
But it needs Eli.
If the quarterback lives up to the dollars  
Mike in Long Beach : 11/18/2014 1:51 pm : link
Then every team in the NFL needs a 19mil QB, regardless of the offense.

Stupid piece.
The question isn't so much whether you want to pay Eli $19m a year  
bigbluescot : 11/18/2014 1:51 pm : link
it's what will Eli want if you extend him. I like Eli, warts and all but I'm not sure at this point I'm ponying up anything extra per year.
People are acting like Sunday has been the norm for Eli this year...  
Damon : 11/18/2014 1:55 pm : link
It has been the exception.... He's been fantastic this year considering the porous play of the oline in the first three games and the flukey interceptions... No running game after Jennings went out... He had a bad game Sunday. No doubt. But read the papers and you'd think he's Geno Smith.
Give Eli an offensive line and running game...  
MikeN in Ottawa : 11/18/2014 2:18 pm : link
and he will rewrite Giant record books with a healthy Cruz and a second year Beckham who has all off season to study and work out.

That is just plain fact...the guy will be only 34.

Eli frustrates us all at times but he is healthy and facts are facts. Jerry Reese has ruined his last three years by lousy drafting, poor FA choices and a complete failure to recognize the line was going downhill in 2010.

If Eli had the offensive line and running game and still had bad numbers...ok. But, Geezus H, give the guy something to work with.
So He's saying  
JINTin Adirondacks : 11/18/2014 3:10 pm : link
McAdoo and his system is going to be here awhile ??
Well, they needed Rodgers where McAdoo came from snd  
Bobby Epps : 11/18/2014 3:10 pm : link
average annual value of Rodgers' contract is over $18M per year.

Now, should Eli make as much or more than Rodgers? Eli has won 2 SBs.
It's a fair question to ask whether the Giants,  
Section331 : 11/18/2014 3:13 pm : link
with all of their needs, should be allocating 20% of its payroll to one position, but the answer should be the same regardless of what offense the team plays. Since when does the WCO not need a good QB?
RE: Regardless of the rest of the junk...  
JOrthman : 11/18/2014 5:05 pm : link
In comment 11986525 Britt in VA said:
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please sticky this for all of BBI to see:



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Manning's salary is as high as it is because of his Super Bowl heroics, and the Giants haven't blinked at committing 17-18 percent of their salary cap annually to Manning because he has been so reliable. He never misses a game, never causes drama inside or outside the building and he has, in the past, demonstrated an ability to elevate the players around him to a championship level. In this day and age, when 32 teams are looking for franchise quarterbacks and there aren't 20 walking the Earth, there's no such thing as overspending to get or keep one.



In addition his salaray is what it is due to at least two restructers that pushed money to the back end.
Reese  
blue42 : 11/18/2014 8:16 pm : link
has screwed up big time and should be held accountable.
Stop passing the buck to assistants.....Pope,Gilbride.....Mara needs to step up and address the real issue...Jerry Reese.

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