Sad state we are in right now. Almost sounds like a eulogy. First part of the show should be very interesting. I wish TC could go out on better terms but it seems like the final chapter is being written. :-( wFAN - ( New Window )
especially one with a SB or 2 on his resume, wouldn't have extensive influence in personnel decisions. Not final say, but plenty of input.
And Greg is absolutely correct, there were many posters lauding about how the talent level changed when TC became coach, and made no bones about crediting TC for it. Now, however, it's not the coaching, it's the crappy talent!
That may be true, but I am not willing to make assumptions and speculate about the specifics. You may be, but I am not. For all I know, TC was against some of the specific moves that have been made in recent years and was overruled. There's absolutely no way for us to know one way or other. In any event, it doesn't matter because the people who will make the decision actually have all of the data (unlike us).
over on my UVA board someone said Francesa said Coughlin
should go coach UVA? Did he actually say that? haha
A caller asked him if he could see Coughlin coaching a college team.
Mike said yes. He didn't want to name a school because someone is currently hired in that position. He said he could see him coaching a middle of the road type university like Syracuse, his alma mater or Virginia or UConn. But not places like Ohio State or a lower tier school like say, Buffalo.
not the issue but Fewell and Quinn are comments. Who do Fewell and Quinn work for and directly under? Coughlin! You can't have it both ways. Coughlin picks the coaches on his staff (until made to get rid of some) and he has his hands all over the game plans, personnel choices etc for the team.
If Talent is a problem then yes Reese is to blame but so is Coughlin. Coughlin sets the roster, the starters and the depth. Coughlin chooses who to keep and who to let go in training camp and Coughlin is the one who decides who plays and who doesn't.
TC is a great coach but he isn't the right choice anymore for the NY Giants. The regime he has together now is unimaginative, predictable and stubborn to a fault.
And while some supporters here talk about what TC did with Jacksonville, he also eventually turned out the same way he is right now with the Gmen. The message is no longer new and when your talent isn't better than other people's talent then it comes down to execution and fundamentals (TC's own words) and yet this team is horrible at both and has been for years. In Jacksonville, though an expansion team, they had a very good QB, 2 very good to great WR's, huge and tough Oline with a nice running game and a solid defense. They were not lacking talent there. But, as that talent started to fade and needed to be replaced there were mistakes left and right and TC's message was lost on the players. His drafts were poor and the ability to change and do something different was either not there or not seen as being needed. That is very much what has happened here with the Giants.
Do not forget the 2011 season was close to being a missed playoff opportunity that then turned into a storied run to the Super Bowl. 2007 was another season where the team was very helter skelter early and most people had them bowing out of the playoffs early.
For many of the years under Coughlin this team would start well and fade in the second half of the season. Lately this team has just faded in the second half of games or in some games- Philly this year, Carolina last year and Atlanta the year before, the team doesn't even bother to show up. I am tired of the same comments, the same analogies, the same quotes and even the same look and sound of being surprised by the way the game was played because the practice was soo good. That to me says way more than anything else that is mentioned about TC, the lack of understanding why the team performed the way they did and the fact that it has happened a great many times.
Yes, Reese should go too but I doubt he will. He may in fact be given the chance to choose his own coach and I suspect that he will do just that. TC will be in the Hall of Fame but he is not the coach for the Giants right now or going forward.
Sound, solid logic countered with 'oh yeah, well he'll show you when he goes to work for the Jets!'.
I think it's time for a change too - you start with TC, and if that's not enough, you make your way through the FO and scouting org. Eventually, everyone's gone if there isn't any improvement. It's unfortunate, but to imply some serious peril is around the corner when we've been non-competitive for two seasons in a row and missed the playoffs for three is a little disingenuous.
stuff with Reese picking his own coach is hilarious.
Is anyone suggesting that TC somehow isn't getting the most out of a talent laden roster????? Garbage in, garbage out.
TC obviously has a lot of input about draft choices and FA signings
You can tell that by his comments after each draft day. He knows all about the picks and can recite their numbers and talks about what "we" saw in the guy.
Why wouldn't you let a guy with 50 years of experience playing and coaching the game have input?
RE: Gilbride couldn't even get a job when the offense was top ten
in scoring and yardage, lol. Literally nobody would even invite him for interviews.
He moved to RI to spend time with his grandaughter and wife who he never sees is what i thought. Did not believe he was actively searching for employment.
RE: RE: Gilbride couldn't even get a job when the offense was top ten
in scoring and yardage, lol. Literally nobody would even invite him for interviews.
He moved to RI to spend time with his grandaughter and wife who he never sees is what i thought. Did not believe he was actively searching for employment.
This.
I would bet if you polled BBI, at least 1/3 (maybe even the majority) would say that it's a fact that Gilbride was fired.
It seems to me that a good percentage of the "obvious facts" around here are only truly known to guys with names like Reese, Coughlin, and Mara.
Sound, solid logic countered with 'oh yeah, well he'll show you when he goes to work for the Jets!'.
I think it's time for a change too - you start with TC, and if that's not enough, you make your way through the FO and scouting org. Eventually, everyone's gone if there isn't any improvement. It's unfortunate, but to imply some serious peril is around the corner when we've been non-competitive for two seasons in a row and missed the playoffs for three is a little disingenuous.
Exactly. It'll be three seasons of mediocre/bad football once this season ends. They gave these guys 3 seasons to try to fix it, and they couldn't. It happens. It's not like they didn't give TC and co. a chance to turn things around. You can only beat around the bush (fire multiple coordinators) for so long, until you are finally forced to deal with the real situation. It's time for a change.
And Greg is absolutely correct, there were many posters lauding about how the talent level changed when TC became coach, and made no bones about crediting TC for it. Now, however, it's not the coaching, it's the crappy talent!
That may be true, but I am not willing to make assumptions and speculate about the specifics. You may be, but I am not. For all I know, TC was against some of the specific moves that have been made in recent years and was overruled. There's absolutely no way for us to know one way or other. In any event, it doesn't matter because the people who will make the decision actually have all of the data (unlike us).
A caller asked him if he could see Coughlin coaching a college team.
Mike said yes. He didn't want to name a school because someone is currently hired in that position. He said he could see him coaching a middle of the road type university like Syracuse, his alma mater or Virginia or UConn. But not places like Ohio State or a lower tier school like say, Buffalo.
If Talent is a problem then yes Reese is to blame but so is Coughlin. Coughlin sets the roster, the starters and the depth. Coughlin chooses who to keep and who to let go in training camp and Coughlin is the one who decides who plays and who doesn't.
TC is a great coach but he isn't the right choice anymore for the NY Giants. The regime he has together now is unimaginative, predictable and stubborn to a fault.
And while some supporters here talk about what TC did with Jacksonville, he also eventually turned out the same way he is right now with the Gmen. The message is no longer new and when your talent isn't better than other people's talent then it comes down to execution and fundamentals (TC's own words) and yet this team is horrible at both and has been for years. In Jacksonville, though an expansion team, they had a very good QB, 2 very good to great WR's, huge and tough Oline with a nice running game and a solid defense. They were not lacking talent there. But, as that talent started to fade and needed to be replaced there were mistakes left and right and TC's message was lost on the players. His drafts were poor and the ability to change and do something different was either not there or not seen as being needed. That is very much what has happened here with the Giants.
Do not forget the 2011 season was close to being a missed playoff opportunity that then turned into a storied run to the Super Bowl. 2007 was another season where the team was very helter skelter early and most people had them bowing out of the playoffs early.
For many of the years under Coughlin this team would start well and fade in the second half of the season. Lately this team has just faded in the second half of games or in some games- Philly this year, Carolina last year and Atlanta the year before, the team doesn't even bother to show up. I am tired of the same comments, the same analogies, the same quotes and even the same look and sound of being surprised by the way the game was played because the practice was soo good. That to me says way more than anything else that is mentioned about TC, the lack of understanding why the team performed the way they did and the fact that it has happened a great many times.
Yes, Reese should go too but I doubt he will. He may in fact be given the chance to choose his own coach and I suspect that he will do just that. TC will be in the Hall of Fame but he is not the coach for the Giants right now or going forward.
I think it's time for a change too - you start with TC, and if that's not enough, you make your way through the FO and scouting org. Eventually, everyone's gone if there isn't any improvement. It's unfortunate, but to imply some serious peril is around the corner when we've been non-competitive for two seasons in a row and missed the playoffs for three is a little disingenuous.
Is anyone suggesting that TC somehow isn't getting the most out of a talent laden roster????? Garbage in, garbage out.
Why wouldn't you let a guy with 50 years of experience playing and coaching the game have input?
He moved to RI to spend time with his grandaughter and wife who he never sees is what i thought. Did not believe he was actively searching for employment.
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in scoring and yardage, lol. Literally nobody would even invite him for interviews.
He moved to RI to spend time with his grandaughter and wife who he never sees is what i thought. Did not believe he was actively searching for employment.
This.
I would bet if you polled BBI, at least 1/3 (maybe even the majority) would say that it's a fact that Gilbride was fired.
It seems to me that a good percentage of the "obvious facts" around here are only truly known to guys with names like Reese, Coughlin, and Mara.
I think it's time for a change too - you start with TC, and if that's not enough, you make your way through the FO and scouting org. Eventually, everyone's gone if there isn't any improvement. It's unfortunate, but to imply some serious peril is around the corner when we've been non-competitive for two seasons in a row and missed the playoffs for three is a little disingenuous.
Exactly. It'll be three seasons of mediocre/bad football once this season ends. They gave these guys 3 seasons to try to fix it, and they couldn't. It happens. It's not like they didn't give TC and co. a chance to turn things around. You can only beat around the bush (fire multiple coordinators) for so long, until you are finally forced to deal with the real situation. It's time for a change.