No, it gains you nothing but risk and some cap room. Renegotiating can gain you some of the cap room and doesn't carry the risk. Mariotta is good, but he is not a can't miss guy. If there was a player as sure as Luck for example, maybe, but not for that kind of risk at such an important position.
Do you not understand my scenario? i am saying you are keeping your pick and adding another 1st round pick...
I am not saying trade Eli and your 1st for another 1st...
Like i said before this isnt bash Eli...This is in no way his fault but right now he is your best asset and if you can lose his salary and gain a 1st it may be worth it...
Yes fully understanding. Trading Manning for an unproven rookie QB. The other pick has nothing to do with it because you have it with or without Manning. It would be a dumb trade and gain you nothing. If it was the 1st overall and there was a player like Luck, I'd consider it, but there isn't one in this draft.
Ok then you dont do it..Like i said before it comes down to what you think of Mariota...
This trade also gets you a ton of Cap space to fill out the holes on this roster so if you think Mariota is good then the trade becomes a lot more appealing..if you dont then really no reason to do the trade...
But, let me be clear. I am not advocating trading Eli. I am not advocating cutting Eli. In fact, I would consider extending Eli to lessen his cap hit.
This is a moot point, because nobody is offering a #1 for him. But, if someone did, I think you have to do it to try to reload quicker. I would NOT trade him for anything less than a #1.
to have Danny Kannell? Dave Brown? Fucking Tommy Maddox? You can call Eli useless to the franchise right now but what he gives you is a chance to win and stability every Sunday. You have a guy that plays every snap, doesn't cause any issues in the locker room/media. You know what you get.
It really comes down to what you think of Mariota or Winston...if you think they can be franchise Qbs then it may be worth it...if you dont then you dont make the trade really that simple..
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They certainly don't give me that Andrew Luck feel where I'm going to give up my 2x Super Bowl MVP for them. Especially in Winston's case with all those Chinese Buffets near the stadium with the carb legs.
I wouldnt touch Winston...If Mariota is gone i do not touch this trade...
I think Mariota is going to be very good in this league thats why i would do this move...
But, let me be clear. I am not advocating trading Eli. I am not advocating cutting Eli. In fact, I would consider extending Eli to lessen his cap hit.
This is a moot point, because nobody is offering a #1 for him. But, if someone did, I think you have to do it to try to reload quicker. I would NOT trade him for anything less than a #1.
I am not advocating getting rid of Eli either...i am just putting a scenario out there to see what people think...
developed in to a QB capable of bringing this team a SB. Covering for Eli for a couple of weeks? Maybe he could do that. Franchise QB? Not impossible, but I would be surprised if he developed into that.
What we have in Eli is a QB that you only hope that your franchise can get once in a franchise. And he can play at least another 4 years, easy, IMO.
Our biggest shortcomings involve not restocking our Oline with any sense of urgency--by undervaluing the position, thinking we can fill in adequately with teams' cast offs and later round picks, perhaps grabbing a 1st or 2nd rounder here and there. Except QB is one position and Oline is 5 plus their backups and we need a bunch of good players, yet only have a couple.
The other shortcoming is that Fewell doesn't appear to be any good.
So look away from Eli (his 5 INTS the other day worry you? Have you forgotten Peyton's 6 INT day?) and focus on supporting cast.
What we have in Eli is a QB that you only hope that your franchise can get once in a franchise. And he can play at least another 4 years, easy, IMO.
Our biggest shortcomings involve not restocking our Oline with any sense of urgency--by undervaluing the position, thinking we can fill in adequately with teams' cast offs and later round picks, perhaps grabbing a 1st or 2nd rounder here and there. Except QB is one position and Oline is 5 plus their backups and we need a bunch of good players, yet only have a couple.
The other shortcoming is that Fewell doesn't appear to be any good.
So look away from Eli (his 5 INTS the other day worry you? Have you forgotten Peyton's 6 INT day?) and focus on supporting cast.
Right. Every year teams go from worst to first. It can be done with the Giants team because we have Eli, we found the hardest thing to find in the NFL a franchise QB and trading it away would do no good for the Giants.
And why do you have to take Mariota or Winston to do this?
What if you spend one of those picks on a OT? What if you spend one on DE. Or both on the OL? Or a WR + OL/LB ?
You don't HAVE to take Mariota or Winston. You can try to strengthen other areas and give Nassib a shot.
So next year is a throw-away year?
I'd call it a rebuilding year rather than just label it that like this year when it clearly isn't.
This team isn't a player or two away. We need a lot of help and we need to do it the right way. Trying to plug holes haphazardly isn't going to get the job done.
If you can spend 2 premium 1st rd picks to bring in 2 more top shelf talents it could help the future of this football team big time just like OBJ is going to.
We're not going to contend next year anyway even if we try to "go for it". We're just not close enough. It'll just be a further mismanagement of resources.
Apparently Britt is annoyed by even the thought of life after Eli, let alone by discussing it.
We all know you'd get on your knees for him, but he's not going to be around forever and a smart team is already thinking ahead. Green Bay drafted Aaron Rodgers (and not with a top 5 pick) when their legendary, SB winning QB was 35. Eli will be 34 in less than 2 months.
Do the math. Or keep whining. Whichever.
Teams that have really quick turns usually have more high-end
This team, even before the injuries, was highly populated with a bunch of JAGs, with only a select few top tier or young high-potential locked in pieces.
Next year is probably going to be another throw away year, regardless of whether Eli is on the team or not.
Apparently Britt is annoyed by even the thought of life after Eli, let alone by discussing it.
We all know you'd get on your knees for him, but he's not going to be around forever and a smart team is already thinking ahead. Green Bay drafted Aaron Rodgers (and not with a top 5 pick) when their legendary, SB winning QB was 35. Eli will be 34 in less than 2 months.
Do the math. Or keep whining. Whichever.
So then they can draft Mariotta with their current top 10 pick and let him develop behind Eli for a couple of seasons. If they did that in the draft, I for one wouldn't complain. But why force it by getting rid of Eli to get him?
Apparently Britt is annoyed by even the thought of life after Eli, let alone by discussing it.
We all know you'd get on your knees for him, but he's not going to be around forever and a smart team is already thinking ahead. Green Bay drafted Aaron Rodgers (and not with a top 5 pick) when their legendary, SB winning QB was 35. Eli will be 34 in less than 2 months.
Do the math. Or keep whining. Whichever.
Wow, nice response. Not going to stoop to your level. Have a good one.
look around at some of the franchises with no QB's, they are just in purgatory and have been for a long time. Eli is 33 and has shown he can be as good as anyone when he has protection. So what if he isn't Brady, Peyton, Rodgers, or Luck? He is capable of winning a Super Bowl. So let's dump him for an unknown draft pick when it might take a decade to find another QB as good as him. Moronic.
Build the team around another Eli run kind of like what Dallas has done rebuilding the line with a great running game.
There aren't as many good QB's in this league as some of you think.
There is no one in CFB that looks like a franchise QB. Mariota, Winston, Cook, Hundley, Hackenburg (MAYBE him, but he's been awful this year), Prescott,... all big have flaws and more flaws than the first round QBs of the past. There is no one who is sure-fire like Luck or close to a sure-fire like Eli or Stafford out there.
after the Redskins game. I just can't get over how people would trade Eli at 33 years old when he has had a putrid offensive line. QB is the toughest position to find in the NFL. We have a Super Bowl capable QB, and people want to dump him for a top ten draft pick.
A) You believe the front office can successfully rebuild the team around Eli within a window where we can still be a contender with him under center
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B) You believe it will take longer than just a year or two to completely turn it around and build a sustainable winner again and by the time that happens, Eli will either no longer be playing or just will not be good enough.
Remember, he is going to be 34 years old just after this season ends and will be nearing 35 at the start of the next one. Unless you believe Eli is still going to be a championship caliber QB at age 36 or 37 (and I don't), it is hard to envision a scenario where this team can make another run.
Which is why I'd put myself in the camp of "B" if I had to choose.
This does not mean I want Eli out the door or want to dump him. I just have a hard time believing this team will be able to fix all of its issues in time to be a Championship caliber team once more with Eli still able to lead us.
Right now, I DO think Eli is still good enough to win with. I'm just not sure how much longer he will be and so, I think it would be a better franchise move to gain premium picks to expedite the rebuild process.
That's just how I look at it. I'm not saying it's right.
RE: Geez he has one bad game and people want to dump him?
look around at some of the franchises with no QB's, they are just in purgatory and have been for a long time. Eli is 33 and has shown he can be as good as anyone when he has protection. So what if he isn't Brady, Peyton, Rodgers, or Luck? He is capable of winning a Super Bowl. So let's dump him for an unknown draft pick when it might take a decade to find another QB as good as him. Moronic.
Build the team around another Eli run kind of like what Dallas has done rebuilding the line with a great running game.
There aren't as many good QB's in this league as some of you think.
Most people in this thread aren't looking to dump him or killing him for one bad game. Frankly, those backing trading him (to a competitive team/team closer to competing), if anything, are probably on the side of the best thing anyone could wish/want for him, as a player, at this point.
The Giants, at a team, are in a really terrible spot right now and getting them to a better spot is probably far enough away that, even if he's still got, say, four good ones, left in him, there's a good chance he's not a real part of that. This organization and he really aren't a great pairing anymore, for either side.
My comment was meant for those who can't fathom thinking beyond Manning as the Giants' QB (like our buddy in VA). It's coming, maybe soon. Rodgers, recall, was a late first round pick. Not touted at the time as a "sure thing". Favre was coming off a 30 TD, 4k, 10-6 season. There's a reason the Packers are the 2nd best run franchise in the NFL. They plan beyond the current year.
Winston isn't mature enough to start right away, but if the Giants thought he was BPA at 12-15, I wouldn't mind the selection to groom. Not saying that's definitely the way to go, but not because "they have Eli".
after the Redskins game. I just can't get over how people would trade Eli at 33 years old when he has had a putrid offensive line. QB is the toughest position to find in the NFL. We have a Super Bowl capable QB, and people want to dump him for a top ten draft pick.
I just can't get over that stupidity.
1. although the manning's have good genes, past performance does not equal future performance - abnd although he's been remarkably durable, eli has also taken quite a beating over his career
2. trent dilfer, brad johnson, joe flacco, kurt warner and russell wilson were also super bowl capable QBs...eli is not some diamond in the rough/once in a liftetime QB.
i am not advocating just getting rid of Eli...I woldnt trade him for anything less than a number 1..
I am not saying go out and shop Eli at all costs...
People are starting to say i am stupid for even bringing it up to trade Eli...Like i said i dont want to get rid of Eli BUT it may be best with the holes on this team to trade Eli for draft picks and use the cap savings to rebuild this entire team...
is a whiner anytime someone discusses the horror of life without Eli. Which is why an innocuous hypothetical which could make for interesting draft related discussion garnered an eye-rolling "ugh" from you.
Accept that fact that he's almost 34. And has a ton of mileage on that body given his starting streak and the fact that he's been pounded 2 years in a row. Then maybe you can add more to discussions about his future as a Giant.
Actually, a part of me wishes that we do draft him with the shitshow of an OL and Skill receivers we have. He will struggle, and then the same people who cried to get rid of Eli will be the same ones crying to get rid of Mariotta.
Actually, a part of me wishes that we do draft him with the shitshow of an OL and Skill receivers we have. He will struggle, and then the same people who cried to get rid of Eli will be the same ones crying to get rid of Mariotta.
Actually, a part of me wishes that we do draft him with the shitshow of an OL and Skill receivers we have. He will struggle, and then the same people who cried to get rid of Eli will be the same ones crying to get rid of Mariotta.
Whose crying to get rid of Eli?
Seriously? A good chunk of posters. I am not saying its you. But the same people who bitched about him last year, the same ones who came out of the woodwork Sunday, and the ones clamoring for it on this thread.
Ill say this simply. If Aaron Rodgers were QBing this team, we would probably be about .500 right now. You cant make chicken salad out of chicken shit. And I dont care how much cap room getting rid of Eli gives us. Reese would still be in charge of bringing shitty ass players in.
is a whiner anytime someone discusses the horror of life without Eli. Which is why an innocuous hypothetical which could make for interesting draft related discussion garnered an eye-rolling "ugh" from you.
Accept that fact that he's almost 34. And has a ton of mileage on that body given his starting streak and the fact that he's been pounded 2 years in a row. Then maybe you can add more to discussions about his future as a Giant.
Actually, what I am is realistic in the sense that barring injury, Eli is going to be our QB for the next five years. I don't deal in hypothetical "would you trade Eli for Luck" or "would you trade Eli for a top ten pick", none of which have any chance whatsoever of happening.
So carry on with what you think passes for footabll "insight". But thanks for the compliment.
While I wouldn't touch Winston. I agree with the overall premise. Some here would flip, but I wouldn't if the Giants extend Eli and spend a first on a QB. I was a big fan of Rodgers that year. I don't see a QB of his caliber in this draft. Mariotta maybe, but I think he is going to go higher than he should because he is the only one.
I don't really think BBI is crying out against Eli, for the most part.
There's a few people who could use a giant serving of shut the fuck up, as they endlessly ramble about Eli's laziness or how he's in the bottom third of the league's QBs, yes, but most of this place still is "on his side," so to speak. Some may recognize it may be time to move on, but it's largely not because of him, but because of the team's special brand of suck.
I imagine (because I'm not going to check for myself) most other Giant fan avenues are very different stories, though..
maybe. Hopefully. The point is you plan beyond him. If you think an Aaron Rodgers or even close to one is on the board, you don't pass on him merely because "barring injury", you expect Eli to be starting until 2020. That's asking for another decade of Kent Grahams.
The Pats just used a high pick on Garoppolo. Do they hope and expect Brady to start for at least 3 more years? I'm sure. They also know how to run a football franchise.
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Hades: agreed Winston/Mari are probably not Rodgers. But 23 teams didn't think Rodgers was Rodgers back in 05. The Giants are and will be in a similar boat when they have to replace Eli because as long as he is QB they probably will not pick top 5. So they need to be smart about replacing him. It might take a couple tries (Nassib maybe stab 1). But better to do so while he's still playing.
I dread the post-Eli era and I hope to put if off as long as possible. I think Eli has easily 4 -5 top seasons left.
The odds of the Giants getting another QB as good as Eli are next to zero. I really believe that.
Funny thing is no one was saying this stuff this year and after one high int game everyone comes out of the woodwork. If Randle or Donnell holds on to the ball, or the Giants had any semblance of an o line to ram it home for the go ahead score those five picks mean nothing.
I know if my aunt had balls she would be my uncle and it is pointless to play if-if-if but to me interceptions are focused on way too much. How was the Giants record and scoring ability pre-five picks? Did the shit record look any better to you when Eli had single digit interceptions?
This guy can make any throw, plays better the bigger the game, will throw it in the face of a hurricane, never sells out a teammate, deals with NY in a Jeterian calm manner and is a fucking winner period.
Why is everyone so quick to bring on the post-Eli era. Cap number? To hell with that, it is the GM's job to build a squad. I refuse to believe that the Giants can not build a competitive roster while paying the price for a franchise QB. If Reese can not, then find a GM who can.
Finally, if the Giants draft a QB high and he pans out, the Giants will have to pay that guy (likely sans-superbowls) the market value. So to me the salary means nothing.
Do you people who would do that realize how hard it is to find a good NFL QB,let alone a franchise QB who has already proven he has what it takes to win a championship?
There would be teams lined up to give thier first round pick for Eli.
Some of you think the grass is greener on the other side when you could be heading right into the desert.
We will all look back on Eli's career as a great ride that most teams would die for.Hopefully that won't be for 5 or more years.Remember the peple who used to complain about how much we gave up to get him,we vdon't here from them anymore but maybe they are you.
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No, it gains you nothing but risk and some cap room. Renegotiating can gain you some of the cap room and doesn't carry the risk. Mariotta is good, but he is not a can't miss guy. If there was a player as sure as Luck for example, maybe, but not for that kind of risk at such an important position.
Do you not understand my scenario? i am saying you are keeping your pick and adding another 1st round pick...
I am not saying trade Eli and your 1st for another 1st...
Like i said before this isnt bash Eli...This is in no way his fault but right now he is your best asset and if you can lose his salary and gain a 1st it may be worth it...
Yes fully understanding. Trading Manning for an unproven rookie QB. The other pick has nothing to do with it because you have it with or without Manning. It would be a dumb trade and gain you nothing. If it was the 1st overall and there was a player like Luck, I'd consider it, but there isn't one in this draft.
Ok then you dont do it..Like i said before it comes down to what you think of Mariota...
This trade also gets you a ton of Cap space to fill out the holes on this roster so if you think Mariota is good then the trade becomes a lot more appealing..if you dont then really no reason to do the trade...
Trading Eli for a 1? Or thinking we wouldn't even get a 1 for him?
Jeff Fisher might cut off his arm to get Eli let alone a 1st round pick.
This is a moot point, because nobody is offering a #1 for him. But, if someone did, I think you have to do it to try to reload quicker. I would NOT trade him for anything less than a #1.
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to have Danny Kannell? Dave Brown? Fucking Tommy Maddox? You can call Eli useless to the franchise right now but what he gives you is a chance to win and stability every Sunday. You have a guy that plays every snap, doesn't cause any issues in the locker room/media. You know what you get.
It really comes down to what you think of Mariota or Winston...if you think they can be franchise Qbs then it may be worth it...if you dont then you dont make the trade really that simple..
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They certainly don't give me that Andrew Luck feel where I'm going to give up my 2x Super Bowl MVP for them. Especially in Winston's case with all those Chinese Buffets near the stadium with the carb legs.
I wouldnt touch Winston...If Mariota is gone i do not touch this trade...
I think Mariota is going to be very good in this league thats why i would do this move...
This is a moot point, because nobody is offering a #1 for him. But, if someone did, I think you have to do it to try to reload quicker. I would NOT trade him for anything less than a #1.
I am not advocating getting rid of Eli either...i am just putting a scenario out there to see what people think...
What if you spend one of those picks on a OT? What if you spend one on DE. Or both on the OL? Or a WR + OL/LB ?
You don't HAVE to take Mariota or Winston. You can try to strengthen other areas and give Nassib a shot.
Trading Eli for a 1? Or thinking we wouldn't even get a 1 for him?
What if you spend one of those picks on a OT? What if you spend one on DE. Or both on the OL? Or a WR + OL/LB ?
You don't HAVE to take Mariota or Winston. You can try to strengthen other areas and give Nassib a shot.
Your right Arc you dont have to draft either guy
It could be to just give Nassib a shot...
Our biggest shortcomings involve not restocking our Oline with any sense of urgency--by undervaluing the position, thinking we can fill in adequately with teams' cast offs and later round picks, perhaps grabbing a 1st or 2nd rounder here and there. Except QB is one position and Oline is 5 plus their backups and we need a bunch of good players, yet only have a couple.
The other shortcoming is that Fewell doesn't appear to be any good.
So look away from Eli (his 5 INTS the other day worry you? Have you forgotten Peyton's 6 INT day?) and focus on supporting cast.
What if you spend one of those picks on a OT? What if you spend one on DE. Or both on the OL? Or a WR + OL/LB ?
You don't HAVE to take Mariota or Winston. You can try to strengthen other areas and give Nassib a shot.
So next year is a throw-away year?
Our biggest shortcomings involve not restocking our Oline with any sense of urgency--by undervaluing the position, thinking we can fill in adequately with teams' cast offs and later round picks, perhaps grabbing a 1st or 2nd rounder here and there. Except QB is one position and Oline is 5 plus their backups and we need a bunch of good players, yet only have a couple.
The other shortcoming is that Fewell doesn't appear to be any good.
So look away from Eli (his 5 INTS the other day worry you? Have you forgotten Peyton's 6 INT day?) and focus on supporting cast.
Right. Every year teams go from worst to first. It can be done with the Giants team because we have Eli, we found the hardest thing to find in the NFL a franchise QB and trading it away would do no good for the Giants.
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And why do you have to take Mariota or Winston to do this?
What if you spend one of those picks on a OT? What if you spend one on DE. Or both on the OL? Or a WR + OL/LB ?
You don't HAVE to take Mariota or Winston. You can try to strengthen other areas and give Nassib a shot.
So next year is a throw-away year?
I'd call it a rebuilding year rather than just label it that like this year when it clearly isn't.
This team isn't a player or two away. We need a lot of help and we need to do it the right way. Trying to plug holes haphazardly isn't going to get the job done.
If you can spend 2 premium 1st rd picks to bring in 2 more top shelf talents it could help the future of this football team big time just like OBJ is going to.
We're not going to contend next year anyway even if we try to "go for it". We're just not close enough. It'll just be a further mismanagement of resources.
Apparently Britt is annoyed by even the thought of life after Eli, let alone by discussing it.
We all know you'd get on your knees for him, but he's not going to be around forever and a smart team is already thinking ahead. Green Bay drafted Aaron Rodgers (and not with a top 5 pick) when their legendary, SB winning QB was 35. Eli will be 34 in less than 2 months.
Do the math. Or keep whining. Whichever.
This team, even before the injuries, was highly populated with a bunch of JAGs, with only a select few top tier or young high-potential locked in pieces.
Next year is probably going to be another throw away year, regardless of whether Eli is on the team or not.
Eli isn't in his 20's anymore, that's the problem. And he's not going to be around forever.
Some of you need to stop living in the past. That doesn't mean dump Eli. It means thinking beyond 2014 or 2015.
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Apparently Britt is annoyed by even the thought of life after Eli, let alone by discussing it.
We all know you'd get on your knees for him, but he's not going to be around forever and a smart team is already thinking ahead. Green Bay drafted Aaron Rodgers (and not with a top 5 pick) when their legendary, SB winning QB was 35. Eli will be 34 in less than 2 months.
Do the math. Or keep whining. Whichever.
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Apparently Britt is annoyed by even the thought of life after Eli, let alone by discussing it.
We all know you'd get on your knees for him, but he's not going to be around forever and a smart team is already thinking ahead. Green Bay drafted Aaron Rodgers (and not with a top 5 pick) when their legendary, SB winning QB was 35. Eli will be 34 in less than 2 months.
Do the math. Or keep whining. Whichever.
Wow, nice response. Not going to stoop to your level. Have a good one.
Build the team around another Eli run kind of like what Dallas has done rebuilding the line with a great running game.
There aren't as many good QB's in this league as some of you think.
Attempt to trade him trade him to one and he would retire,
or threaten to.
I just can't get over that stupidity.
What if you spend one of those picks on a OT? What if you spend one on DE. Or both on the OL? Or a WR + OL/LB ?
You don't HAVE to take Mariota or Winston. You can try to strengthen other areas and give Nassib a shot.
you're smarter than this Arc. Eli is 33 and can clearly still play. QB is the toughest position to find.
Either,
A) You believe the front office can successfully rebuild the team around Eli within a window where we can still be a contender with him under center
or..
B) You believe it will take longer than just a year or two to completely turn it around and build a sustainable winner again and by the time that happens, Eli will either no longer be playing or just will not be good enough.
Remember, he is going to be 34 years old just after this season ends and will be nearing 35 at the start of the next one. Unless you believe Eli is still going to be a championship caliber QB at age 36 or 37 (and I don't), it is hard to envision a scenario where this team can make another run.
Which is why I'd put myself in the camp of "B" if I had to choose.
This does not mean I want Eli out the door or want to dump him. I just have a hard time believing this team will be able to fix all of its issues in time to be a Championship caliber team once more with Eli still able to lead us.
Right now, I DO think Eli is still good enough to win with. I'm just not sure how much longer he will be and so, I think it would be a better franchise move to gain premium picks to expedite the rebuild process.
That's just how I look at it. I'm not saying it's right.
Build the team around another Eli run kind of like what Dallas has done rebuilding the line with a great running game.
There aren't as many good QB's in this league as some of you think.
Most people in this thread aren't looking to dump him or killing him for one bad game. Frankly, those backing trading him (to a competitive team/team closer to competing), if anything, are probably on the side of the best thing anyone could wish/want for him, as a player, at this point.
The Giants, at a team, are in a really terrible spot right now and getting them to a better spot is probably far enough away that, even if he's still got, say, four good ones, left in him, there's a good chance he's not a real part of that. This organization and he really aren't a great pairing anymore, for either side.
My comment was meant for those who can't fathom thinking beyond Manning as the Giants' QB (like our buddy in VA). It's coming, maybe soon. Rodgers, recall, was a late first round pick. Not touted at the time as a "sure thing". Favre was coming off a 30 TD, 4k, 10-6 season. There's a reason the Packers are the 2nd best run franchise in the NFL. They plan beyond the current year.
Winston isn't mature enough to start right away, but if the Giants thought he was BPA at 12-15, I wouldn't mind the selection to groom. Not saying that's definitely the way to go, but not because "they have Eli".
I just can't get over that stupidity.
1. although the manning's have good genes, past performance does not equal future performance - abnd although he's been remarkably durable, eli has also taken quite a beating over his career
2. trent dilfer, brad johnson, joe flacco, kurt warner and russell wilson were also super bowl capable QBs...eli is not some diamond in the rough/once in a liftetime QB.
I am not saying go out and shop Eli at all costs...
People are starting to say i am stupid for even bringing it up to trade Eli...Like i said i dont want to get rid of Eli BUT it may be best with the holes on this team to trade Eli for draft picks and use the cap savings to rebuild this entire team...
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You're not allowed to rent here anymore!
Don't hurt yourself, Chris. Or I'll go to Big Choice insead.
Accept that fact that he's almost 34. And has a ton of mileage on that body given his starting streak and the fact that he's been pounded 2 years in a row. Then maybe you can add more to discussions about his future as a Giant.
Actually, a part of me wishes that we do draft him with the shitshow of an OL and Skill receivers we have. He will struggle, and then the same people who cried to get rid of Eli will be the same ones crying to get rid of Mariotta.
Actually, a part of me wishes that we do draft him with the shitshow of an OL and Skill receivers we have. He will struggle, and then the same people who cried to get rid of Eli will be the same ones crying to get rid of Mariotta.
Whose crying to get rid of Eli?
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because he is vastly overrated.
Actually, a part of me wishes that we do draft him with the shitshow of an OL and Skill receivers we have. He will struggle, and then the same people who cried to get rid of Eli will be the same ones crying to get rid of Mariotta.
Whose crying to get rid of Eli?
Seriously? A good chunk of posters. I am not saying its you. But the same people who bitched about him last year, the same ones who came out of the woodwork Sunday, and the ones clamoring for it on this thread.
Ill say this simply. If Aaron Rodgers were QBing this team, we would probably be about .500 right now. You cant make chicken salad out of chicken shit. And I dont care how much cap room getting rid of Eli gives us. Reese would still be in charge of bringing shitty ass players in.
Accept that fact that he's almost 34. And has a ton of mileage on that body given his starting streak and the fact that he's been pounded 2 years in a row. Then maybe you can add more to discussions about his future as a Giant.
Actually, what I am is realistic in the sense that barring injury, Eli is going to be our QB for the next five years. I don't deal in hypothetical "would you trade Eli for Luck" or "would you trade Eli for a top ten pick", none of which have any chance whatsoever of happening.
So carry on with what you think passes for footabll "insight". But thanks for the compliment.
I imagine (because I'm not going to check for myself) most other Giant fan avenues are very different stories, though..
You never know. We traded Dallas a 1st round pick for Craig Morton that they turned into Randy White.
The Pats just used a high pick on Garoppolo. Do they hope and expect Brady to start for at least 3 more years? I'm sure. They also know how to run a football franchise.
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Hades: agreed Winston/Mari are probably not Rodgers. But 23 teams didn't think Rodgers was Rodgers back in 05. The Giants are and will be in a similar boat when they have to replace Eli because as long as he is QB they probably will not pick top 5. So they need to be smart about replacing him. It might take a couple tries (Nassib maybe stab 1). But better to do so while he's still playing.
The odds of the Giants getting another QB as good as Eli are next to zero. I really believe that.
Funny thing is no one was saying this stuff this year and after one high int game everyone comes out of the woodwork. If Randle or Donnell holds on to the ball, or the Giants had any semblance of an o line to ram it home for the go ahead score those five picks mean nothing.
I know if my aunt had balls she would be my uncle and it is pointless to play if-if-if but to me interceptions are focused on way too much. How was the Giants record and scoring ability pre-five picks? Did the shit record look any better to you when Eli had single digit interceptions?
This guy can make any throw, plays better the bigger the game, will throw it in the face of a hurricane, never sells out a teammate, deals with NY in a Jeterian calm manner and is a fucking winner period.
Why is everyone so quick to bring on the post-Eli era. Cap number? To hell with that, it is the GM's job to build a squad. I refuse to believe that the Giants can not build a competitive roster while paying the price for a franchise QB. If Reese can not, then find a GM who can.
Finally, if the Giants draft a QB high and he pans out, the Giants will have to pay that guy (likely sans-superbowls) the market value. So to me the salary means nothing.
I would not trade a one for Eli.
Sounds like a brilliant plan.
There would be teams lined up to give thier first round pick for Eli.
Some of you think the grass is greener on the other side when you could be heading right into the desert.
We will all look back on Eli's career as a great ride that most teams would die for.Hopefully that won't be for 5 or more years.Remember the peple who used to complain about how much we gave up to get him,we vdon't here from them anymore but maybe they are you.