If you are offered a number 1 for Eli do you do it?

Seattle wasn't rebuilding? Their last three seasons before drafting Wilson were 7-9, 7-9 and 5-11. Philly was 4-12 their last season with Reid.

The point is that Eli takes up a massive amount of the Giants' cap, an amount that far exceeds his actual production.

But there are people who say, as Britt has often in the past and that guy just did in this thread, that the Giants' receivers weren't that great and Eli made them look a lot better than they actually were.

In comment 11987188 Greg from LI said:

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But there are people who say, as Britt has often in the past and that guy just did in this thread, that the Giants' receivers weren't that great and Eli made them look a lot better than they actually were.

Well I think its a two way street. Look at guys like Brady, Rodgers, Peyton.... they certainly made their WRs into stars and excellent players - but those players were talented as well and thats why they make it look so easy.

I mean you ever see Nelson, Demaryius and Gronk so wide open and be like "how the fuck is he is so open". Seeing Eli/Cruz/Nicks on the same page in 2011, especially in the playoffs was the best offensive firepower Ive seen in my lifetime as a Giants fan. I want to see it again, and soon.

That's why I hope to see Amari Cooper fall to the Giants and for Cruz to make a full recovery. OBJ, Cruz and Cooper will be one helluva trio.

Buffalo,Tennessee and probably a few other teams would give up far more than a single #1 pick to get a franchise QB that has won 2 SBs with 5 years left. If you told me I could get Mariota plus another #1, I might think about it, but would probably demand more.

Ryan Leaf, Akili Smith.JaMarcus Russell, Mark Sanchez Todd Blackledge
can always replace a stiff like ELi, take the number 1 pick

In comment 11987222 bob in tx said:

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Buffalo,Tennessee and probably a few other teams would give up far more than a single #1 pick to get a franchise QB that has won 2 SBs with 5 years left. If you told me I could get Mariota plus another #1, I might think about it, but would probably demand more.

This I would consider.

In comment 11987232 Randy in CT said:

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In comment 11987222 bob in tx said: Quote: Buffalo,Tennessee and probably a few other teams would give up far more than a single #1 pick to get a franchise QB that has won 2 SBs with 5 years left. If you told me I could get Mariota plus another #1, I might think about it, but would probably demand more. This I would consider.

Get your own fuckin' ideas?

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In comment 11987232 Randy in CT said: Quote: In comment 11987222 bob in tx said: Quote: Buffalo,Tennessee and probably a few other teams would give up far more than a single #1 pick to get a franchise QB that has won 2 SBs with 5 years left. If you told me I could get Mariota plus another #1, I might think about it, but would probably demand more. This I would consider. Get your own fuckin' ideas?

Make me, jerkface?

this is not a situation where we have an Aaron Rodgers waiting in the wings.

starters ,Umm not even close .
I in no way shape or form want Jameis Winston .
The Guy is a piece of crap . I din;t think anyone
could top Cam Newtons act .Who will never win the
big one . IMO

In comment 11986700 arcarsenal said:

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In comment 11986684 TomTom said: Quote: to have Danny Kannell? Dave Brown? Fucking Tommy Maddox? You can call Eli useless to the franchise right now but what he gives you is a chance to win and stability every Sunday. You have a guy that plays every snap, doesn't cause any issues in the locker room/media. You know what you get. And how much longer does Eli give us that relative to how long it will take to put another SB contending caliber roster around him? Eli isn't in his 20's anymore, that's the problem. And he's not going to be around forever. I love the guy as much as anyone and I'd love to see him win another one here before he finally hangs them up. I just think this roster has too many holes and it's going to take a couple years to fill them if we're lucky. By then, is Eli going to still have it? Odds aren't good.

Exactly! This team is far removed from Eli's glory days. While not impossible. Another super bowl run is highly unlikely. I wouldn't trade him for A first pick alone. Have to throw in at least a third and maybe a pick the following season as well.

In comment 11986631 Chris in Philly said:

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Two #1's and I at least think about it...

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Andrew Luck is not in this draft and even if he was, it is easy to say that now, because we know what Andrew Luck has done in this league. If you dump Eli your talking about using the the aquired pick for a QB. There is no guarantee's in the draft especially at QB. For every Andrew Luck there is a 20 QB's you never heard of or guys that didn't do much of anything in the NFL. Its easy to say dump Eli, but you damn well better have a good back up plan, because if you get a bust at QB, your going to suck for awhile.

Others are say we are a ways away from competing again. I don't' see it. Often you see new coaches come in and turn franchises around or teams come out of nowhere. With the right moves I don't' see any reason we couldn't be a solid team next year.

Outside of Philly and Detroit week one, we have been in every game we lost and had a chance to win most. We did that despite a ton of injuries and a lot of bad play. There is no reason we couldn't turn it around with relative health and some decent pick ups via the draft/FA.

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The Pat's for example and drafting young QB's. Frankly I think they are a horrible example to bring up. They keep trading away all their picks and drafting Brady's replacement when they can still win with him. If they spent some of those picks on players instead of trying to get cute all the time I think they would of won another SB by now.

unless you have one as good on the team or you are certain of getting one the same year you trade him. As long as you have Eli, you have a shot at the Lombardi provided you surround him with acceptable (not great, just acceptable) talent.

If anyone thinks that losing Eli and adding one pick for the crap shoot of the draft improves this team they are nuts. That would be a complete desperation move towards a longer downward spiral. The fastest way to improve this team is to build a strong OL and then give Eli another weapon or two.

I think some fans forget just how long it often can take to replace a franchise QB.

If Houston was offered enough they'd have to trade JJ Watt, LT in his prime would have been traded if someone was willing to overpay. I am NOT saying those guys were ever going to be on or will ever be in the market BUT if you are approached you have to listen. Anyway a number 1 pick for your franchise QB with 5 productive years left is way too low

is this front office/ownership, capable of creating a plan, that includes Eli, before his skills have diminished?

Then trade down a whole lot.

The Giants won't be truly good until they get a huge talent infusion. Draft choices are needed, not guys on the wrong side of the 33.

Our high draft picks tend to turn out one of two ways: 1. bust 2. great player we let walk in free agency because of bad cap management.

So three years later, that pick will be gone. Eli might also be gone, but he is a better player over that three years than a rookie.

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