Just mainly looking at guards since we will definitely need one. Here are the free agents I like. What do you think?
Mike Iupati (SF): Solid guard, will probably command top money at his position. This solves the problem IMO.
James Carpenter (Sea): Good guard on a running team but has had lots of injuries, including an ACL his rookie year. Has only made it through one season. Might be able to bring him in cheaper because of this, but if so he can't be your only option at guard. You'd need to sign or draft a guy for depth unless you think Herman is ready to come off the bench.
Orlando Franklin (Den): Okay starter, probably cheaper than the above two. Again, can't be your only option you bring in then.
If you move Pugh to Guard (which I don't think the coaching staff is ready to do) then you are in the market for a RT only, which should be fairly easy to find.
I think San Fran is going to have a lot of FA (including Crabtree) they may not have much of a choice.
BTW, I might be more in favor of finding a great RT and moving Pugh to LG, Richburg to C and Schwartz to RG. But Iupati is a dominant OG ala Snee; you couldn't go wrong with him.
LG Mike Iupati, SF
C Stefan Wisniewski, OAK
RT Brian Bulaga, GB
G/RT Orlando Franklin, DEN
LG Clint Boling, CIN
C Rodney Hudson, KC
not a strong class, not even as strong as this years
Or Best LT available I think the draft is fairly
deep there,
Then onto the Defense . I think Justin Houstan LB would
be a solid start to filling some of the holes .
Bring Will Hill back ok probably not .
Nick Fairley coming off a knee ...
Or Best LT available I think the draft is fairly
deep there,
Then onto the Defense . I think Justin Houstan LB would
be a solid start to filling some of the holes .
Bring Will Hill back ok probably not .
Nick Fairley coming off a knee ...
I like Justin Houston, but I believe he is strictly a 3-4 OLB. He is listed a 6-3, 258, but not sure he can play RDE. I could see Kansas City letting him walk as he might be too expensive to keep, but unless the Giants are switching to a 3-4, I don't see Houston being a good fit.
LG Mike Iupati, SF
C Stefan Wisniewski, OAK
RT Brian Bulaga, GB
G/RT Orlando Franklin, DEN
LG Clint Boling, CIN
C Rodney Hudson, KC
not a strong class, not even as strong as this years
I like Bulaga at RT, but I am not sure he will be worth the money he's going to get.
He'd be the only guy I'd be interested in but that would require the coaches to cave and move Pugh inside. Even then, with an improved interior of Schwartz/Richburg/Pugh and a 1st rounder in the top 10, I'd probably be inclined to go after the OT from LSU and plug him in at RT (and use the $ elsewhere). If they think he has LT feet then it gives them an option in '16 if Beatty declines again.
BTW, I might be more in favor of finding a great RT and moving Pugh to LG, Richburg to C and Schwartz to RG. But Iupati is a dominant OG ala Snee; you couldn't go wrong with him.
I wouldn't have a problem with it either, but I don't think we have any indication yet that the Giants are going to move Pugh. Many fans and media types of suggested it, but until it happens I think we have to operate as though Pugh is the RT.
They might...I would think that JPP is playing himself out of any big money considerations this year. His best bet would be to sing a 2-3 year deal with the Giants and attempt to re-establish his value.
The Detroit, Az, Seattle, and SF games we could/should have won, WOULD be wins; 7-3 is a whole world different from 3-7.
And that's 7-3 with a crappy D.
The draft needs the top/top available OL in rd 1, then a D player and WR in 2 and 3.
his first full season can't be a fluke.
as for OL, in another thread I suggested it might be worth considering Bulaga for RT akin to the Kareem McKenzie signing, he's only 26 years old.
then consider moving Pugh to LG (if that makes sense as others have suggested) and Schwartz to RG and Pugh to OC that's a good OL for the next 4 or 5 years. Diehl, Seubert, O'Hara, Snee, and Mckenzie set the NFL record for consecutive games played together, I think that's partly why they were so successful.
I don't either. But let's play this out.
If you sign him, you have Beatty and Iupati on your left side. Richburg at his natural center position. Schwartz over to right guard and Pugh at RT.
Suddenly, that line looks a different look just by the addition of that one player.
Per PFF, his pass blocking has been among the worst in the league the last two years, which is problematic if you are trying to keep Eli with a clean pocket. However, he has graded a top notch run blocker, and the Giants desperately need that as well.
I don't know if he'd be a good fit at guard. It's a fair question, but when he was drafted a lot of scouts and talking heads suspected he'd be moved inside.
Draft another OL high (1-2) and preferably a guy who could play T to provide options, move Richburg to the C position. See what Mosely really is. Find some quality depth (much easier said than done)
TC may be a great HC but has had some of the shittiest coordinators over the years Fewell is just a mess now.
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well the only difference is I'd prefer go the UFA route than high draft pick. but if there is no good fit as a UFA then I'd be fine with that.
You can sign an OL in free agency (like the Giants did with K-Mac) and still use your high first for a Amari Cooper or Shaq Thompson, Leonard Williams - etc. and the guy I used Bryan Bulaga I don't think is a break the bank guy.
You could tell he became a playboy just by his appearance.
All these ideas seem fine but only if Prince & Rolle are resigned.
Next in the first 3 rounds you try and get an RT who also projects to guard. He is your hot spare on the bench. You keep Walton as backup Center (unless a better option presents itself on the market).
What this gives you is a lot of flexibility on the line should injuries hit. You have Walton at center, a rookie who can hopefully step in at either Guard position or RT if Pugh goes down. Or if Beatty goes down, you move Pugh over to LT and slide in the rookie to RT. Giants need starters across the line and truly capable bench guys. Not this John Jerry or John Brown (whoever the fuck he is) he was embarrassed at RT after Pugh went down.
Also, sign a pure blocking tight end. Just do it. He should be cheap and in a true west coast offense shouldn't even need to play much, but you get that fucker cause we need to be able to run the ball and chip high level DE's. Better yet, find a vet who can do it. Owen Daniels will be an FA.
TC may be a great HC but has had some of the shittiest coordinators over the years Fewell is just a mess now.
Agreed.
Sorry, but you're an idiot. We passed on Iupati. He went #17, we had pick #15. We took JPP with that pick, he was a key player during our championship run.
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a Giant in 2010 but we have a GM that doesn't understand the complexities of trading up in the draft.
Sorry, but you're an idiot. We passed on Iupati. He went #17, we had pick #15. We took JPP with that pick, he was a key player during our championship run.
We should've taken Zack Martin over Odell Beckham Jr.!!!!!!!!!!!!
it's a valid concern - he'd have to gain weight. right now, he is playing himself out of the T position so u have to find a spot for him. most NFL G's are ex-college T's who had to kick inside due to lack of arm length/athleticism. pugh fits the bill
Draft Scherr <sp> OT from Iowa .
Could Beatty Move to RT
Scherr Schwartz Richberg Pugh Beatty ?
Then Focus on defense Spikes Or Nick Fairley if
he comes back Healthy .
Go Linebacker or Safety in round 2
Beatty - Franklin - Richburg - Schwartz - Pugh
Walton would be the backup center and you'd hopefully have a solid draft pick or 2 waiting in the wings. Plenty of solid OL out there in the mid-rounds like Bryan Stork and Brandon Linder last year, we just need to stop picking projects and start picking guys who know how to play the game.
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As long as he get that OT from Iowa Scherr<sp>
Or Best LT available I think the draft is fairly
deep there,
Then onto the Defense . I think Justin Houstan LB would
be a solid start to filling some of the holes .
Bring Will Hill back ok probably not .
Nick Fairley coming off a knee ...
I like Justin Houston, but I believe he is strictly a 3-4 OLB. He is listed a 6-3, 258, but not sure he can play RDE. I could see Kansas City letting him walk as he might be too expensive to keep, but unless the Giants are switching to a 3-4, I don't see Houston being a good fit.
If you want to see a real American Horror Story, have this team play 3-4 with our current linebacking talent + Houston.
Its not like we are terrorizing the Oppositions QB.s
Name one Player on the Giants thats a great Blitzer ?
JPP is not all world but he is damn good against the run
Don't break the Bank Lets get Eli to restructure
So we can go after a Legitimate starter for the
O-line . 3-4 4-3 Houstan is far better than any two
current LB's on the team .