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Free Agent Offensive Linemen

giantgiantfan : 11/18/2014 6:47 pm
Just mainly looking at guards since we will definitely need one. Here are the free agents I like. What do you think?

Mike Iupati (SF): Solid guard, will probably command top money at his position. This solves the problem IMO.

James Carpenter (Sea): Good guard on a running team but has had lots of injuries, including an ACL his rookie year. Has only made it through one season. Might be able to bring him in cheaper because of this, but if so he can't be your only option at guard. You'd need to sign or draft a guy for depth unless you think Herman is ready to come off the bench.

Orlando Franklin (Den): Okay starter, probably cheaper than the above two. Again, can't be your only option you bring in then.
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adcliff : 11/18/2014 6:56 pm : link
Would prefer to see them steer clear of anybody with a history of injuries.
Iupati would be great. Can't see SF letting him get away.  
yatqb : 11/18/2014 6:58 pm : link
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I said it last week  
Emil : 11/18/2014 7:00 pm : link
I make the investment in Iuapati, find a bargain at RT and draft two more OL. A starting OL next year of Beatty, Schwartz, Ritchburgh, Iuapati, and Pugh sounds pretty good to me.

If you move Pugh to Guard (which I don't think the coaching staff is ready to do) then you are in the market for a RT only, which should be fairly easy to find.
RE: Iupati would be great. Can't see SF letting him get away.  
Emil : 11/18/2014 7:01 pm : link
In comment 11987347 yatqb said:
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I think San Fran is going to have a lot of FA (including Crabtree) they may not have much of a choice.
I wouild put Iupati at the top of the list  
Matt M. : 11/18/2014 7:08 pm : link
But, what about Incognito?
What happened  
cokeduplt : 11/18/2014 7:12 pm : link
With Alex Boone? Is he going to be a FA aswell?
I think you're right, Emil. But a team can always structure  
yatqb : 11/18/2014 7:12 pm : link
contracts so that there isn't a big hit in year one.

BTW, I might be more in favor of finding a great RT and moving Pugh to LG, Richburg to C and Schwartz to RG. But Iupati is a dominant OG ala Snee; you couldn't go wrong with him.
2015 UFA's  
area junc : 11/18/2014 7:14 pm : link
the top names

LG Mike Iupati, SF
C Stefan Wisniewski, OAK
RT Brian Bulaga, GB
G/RT Orlando Franklin, DEN
LG Clint Boling, CIN
C Rodney Hudson, KC

not a strong class, not even as strong as this years
A  
AcidTest : 11/18/2014 7:15 pm : link
lot depends on what they do with JPP. Signing Iupati allows the Giants to concentrate on DE and S in the first few rounds. But Iupati will be insanely expensive. It's still early to start assessing players, but two guys I like so far are Cann, G from SC, and Harris, S from UVA.
Iupati would be great .  
BBurns : 11/18/2014 7:27 pm : link
As long as he get that OT from Iowa Scherr<sp>
Or Best LT available I think the draft is fairly
deep there,
Then onto the Defense . I think Justin Houstan LB would
be a solid start to filling some of the holes .
Bring Will Hill back ok probably not .
Nick Fairley coming off a knee ...
RE: Iupati would be great .  
Emil : 11/18/2014 7:30 pm : link
In comment 11987388 BBurns said:
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As long as he get that OT from Iowa Scherr<sp>
Or Best LT available I think the draft is fairly
deep there,
Then onto the Defense . I think Justin Houstan LB would
be a solid start to filling some of the holes .
Bring Will Hill back ok probably not .
Nick Fairley coming off a knee ...


I like Justin Houston, but I believe he is strictly a 3-4 OLB. He is listed a 6-3, 258, but not sure he can play RDE. I could see Kansas City letting him walk as he might be too expensive to keep, but unless the Giants are switching to a 3-4, I don't see Houston being a good fit.
RE: 2015 UFA's  
Emil : 11/18/2014 7:30 pm : link
In comment 11987368 area junc said:
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the top names

LG Mike Iupati, SF
C Stefan Wisniewski, OAK
RT Brian Bulaga, GB
G/RT Orlando Franklin, DEN
LG Clint Boling, CIN
C Rodney Hudson, KC

not a strong class, not even as strong as this years


I like Bulaga at RT, but I am not sure he will be worth the money he's going to get.
Franklin....  
Ryan : 11/18/2014 7:31 pm : link
....is going to market himself as on OT - he wasn't initially happy with the move inside the LG, but seems to have embraced it, though I see that changing when it comes time to write checks.

He'd be the only guy I'd be interested in but that would require the coaches to cave and move Pugh inside. Even then, with an improved interior of Schwartz/Richburg/Pugh and a 1st rounder in the top 10, I'd probably be inclined to go after the OT from LSU and plug him in at RT (and use the $ elsewhere). If they think he has LT feet then it gives them an option in '16 if Beatty declines again.
Don't they have enough cap room to sign  
Andy in Boston : 11/18/2014 7:32 pm : link
A guy like iaputi and resign JPP? JPP isn't going to command a huge contract. How could he and who in their right mind would offer him huge money?
RE: I think you're right, Emil. But a team can always structure  
Emil : 11/18/2014 7:32 pm : link
In comment 11987367 yatqb said:
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contracts so that there isn't a big hit in year one.

BTW, I might be more in favor of finding a great RT and moving Pugh to LG, Richburg to C and Schwartz to RG. But Iupati is a dominant OG ala Snee; you couldn't go wrong with him.


I wouldn't have a problem with it either, but I don't think we have any indication yet that the Giants are going to move Pugh. Many fans and media types of suggested it, but until it happens I think we have to operate as though Pugh is the RT.
RE: Don't they have enough cap room to sign  
Emil : 11/18/2014 7:33 pm : link
In comment 11987401 Andy in Boston said:
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A guy like iaputi and resign JPP? JPP isn't going to command a huge contract. How could he and who in their right mind would offer him huge money?


They might...I would think that JPP is playing himself out of any big money considerations this year. His best bet would be to sing a 2-3 year deal with the Giants and attempt to re-establish his value.
JPP has shown he has no issue wasting his talent with poor effort  
Bold Ruler : Mod : 11/18/2014 7:45 pm : link
Can't have guys like that on the team.
Iupati  
old man : 11/18/2014 7:48 pm : link
and one other from that list, with Richburg, Pugh and Schwartz, improves the OL 75%.
The Detroit, Az, Seattle, and SF games we could/should have won, WOULD be wins; 7-3 is a whole world different from 3-7.
And that's 7-3 with a crappy D.
The draft needs the top/top available OL in rd 1, then a D player and WR in 2 and 3.
JPP  
blue42 : 11/18/2014 7:48 pm : link
is a better run player now than a pass rusher. We can find other guys for less money to do that.
JPP will get more money than some of you think  
pjcas18 : 11/18/2014 7:49 pm : link
sites like PFF have him as the #1 4-3 DE against the run and top 10 4-3 DE overall. I think another DC could probably use him better than he's been used here.

his first full season can't be a fluke.

as for OL, in another thread I suggested it might be worth considering Bulaga for RT akin to the Kareem McKenzie signing, he's only 26 years old.

then consider moving Pugh to LG (if that makes sense as others have suggested) and Schwartz to RG and Pugh to OC that's a good OL for the next 4 or 5 years. Diehl, Seubert, O'Hara, Snee, and Mckenzie set the NFL record for consecutive games played together, I think that's partly why they were so successful.
this and Pugh to OC  
pjcas18 : 11/18/2014 7:50 pm : link
should say Westburg to OC
I think Pugh had a terrible year.....  
Simms11 : 11/18/2014 7:54 pm : link
I hope it was just an off year, but I saw him physically overpowered, and had poor technique on many occasions, as well. Now he did appear to have an undisclosed injury, and was playing next to a turnstile in Jerry. I just hope he rebounds. The Oline coach has not done a very good job with him this year. Same mistakes crop up weekly!
RE: Iupati would be great. Can't see SF letting him get away.  
BigBlueinChicago : 11/18/2014 7:59 pm : link
In comment 11987347 yatqb said:
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I don't either. But let's play this out.

If you sign him, you have Beatty and Iupati on your left side. Richburg at his natural center position. Schwartz over to right guard and Pugh at RT.

Suddenly, that line looks a different look just by the addition of that one player.

Per PFF, his pass blocking has been among the worst in the league the last two years, which is problematic if you are trying to keep Eli with a clean pocket. However, he has graded a top notch run blocker, and the Giants desperately need that as well.

Give me Suh  
Chef : 11/18/2014 8:00 pm : link
and let JPP walk.. draft the Oline
Maybe it's just me  
A1022 : 11/18/2014 8:02 pm : link
But why do a lot of people here think Pugh would be better inside? I'm no expert, but he is light and strength doesn't seem to be one of his best attributes. Can someone with more knowledge tell me why moving him would be a good idea?
RE: Maybe it's just me  
pjcas18 : 11/18/2014 8:11 pm : link
In comment 11987459 A1022 said:
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But why do a lot of people here think Pugh would be better inside? I'm no expert, but he is light and strength doesn't seem to be one of his best attributes. Can someone with more knowledge tell me why moving him would be a good idea?


I don't know if he'd be a good fit at guard. It's a fair question, but when he was drafted a lot of scouts and talking heads suspected he'd be moved inside.
Iupati should have been  
Dye Job : 11/18/2014 8:23 pm : link
a Giant in 2010 but we have a GM that doesn't understand the complexities of trading up in the draft.
Lupati  
stretch234 : 11/18/2014 8:24 pm : link
He is a top level run blocker and a bad pass blocker. I am not signing him to big dollars.

Draft another OL high (1-2) and preferably a guy who could play T to provide options, move Richburg to the C position. See what Mosely really is. Find some quality depth (much easier said than done)
I  
blue42 : 11/18/2014 8:29 pm : link
agree on Pugh...I don't see the strength for Guard.We get overpowered there routinely.
Jerry Reese on Justin Pugh...  
blue42 : 11/18/2014 8:33 pm : link
"I think he is one of those guys in a game that you can plug him in anywhere and he is going to play good,” general manager Jerry Reese said. “He is big. He is smart. He had a high test score, a team captain, all those things. He is our kind of guy.”
Get JPP a better DC.  
LauderdaleMatty : 11/18/2014 8:37 pm : link
This team has Tim Lewisitis. Spags came in and revived a D that many people questioned the talent and motivational level.

TC may be a great HC but has had some of the shittiest coordinators over the years Fewell is just a mess now.
And then Jerry Reese said this  
Dye Job : 11/18/2014 8:42 pm : link
"Adrien Robinson will become the JPP of tight ends"
pjcas  
Jon in NYC : 11/18/2014 8:45 pm : link
nails it.

Beatty-Pugh-Richburg-Schwartz-High Draft Pick
RE: pjcas  
pjcas18 : 11/18/2014 8:49 pm : link
In comment 11987529 Jon in NYC said:
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nails it.

Beatty-Pugh-Richburg-Schwartz-High Draft Pick


well the only difference is I'd prefer go the UFA route than high draft pick. but if there is no good fit as a UFA then I'd be fine with that.

You can sign an OL in free agency (like the Giants did with K-Mac) and still use your high first for a Amari Cooper or Shaq Thompson, Leonard Williams - etc. and the guy I used Bryan Bulaga I don't think is a break the bank guy.
screw JPP, hes been a shell of himself  
Rory : 11/18/2014 9:13 pm : link
since receiving a ring.

You could tell he became a playboy just by his appearance.

All these ideas seem fine but only if Prince & Rolle are resigned.
IMO, the only offensive players taken in the 2015 draft  
SB : 11/18/2014 9:59 pm : link
should be OL.
Thinking about it more  
giantgiantfan : 11/18/2014 10:11 pm : link
I'm in favor of bringing in Franklin @ guard. He played both tackle and guard in college so some flexibility exists should an injury happen, but you plug him in at guard.

Next in the first 3 rounds you try and get an RT who also projects to guard. He is your hot spare on the bench. You keep Walton as backup Center (unless a better option presents itself on the market).

What this gives you is a lot of flexibility on the line should injuries hit. You have Walton at center, a rookie who can hopefully step in at either Guard position or RT if Pugh goes down. Or if Beatty goes down, you move Pugh over to LT and slide in the rookie to RT. Giants need starters across the line and truly capable bench guys. Not this John Jerry or John Brown (whoever the fuck he is) he was embarrassed at RT after Pugh went down.

Also, sign a pure blocking tight end. Just do it. He should be cheap and in a true west coast offense shouldn't even need to play much, but you get that fucker cause we need to be able to run the ball and chip high level DE's. Better yet, find a vet who can do it. Owen Daniels will be an FA.
RE: Get JPP a better DC.  
Optimus-NY : 11/19/2014 1:28 am : link
In comment 11987519 LauderdaleMatty said:
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This team has Tim Lewisitis. Spags came in and revived a D that many people questioned the talent and motivational level.

TC may be a great HC but has had some of the shittiest coordinators over the years Fewell is just a mess now.


Agreed.
RE: Iupati should have been  
David in LA : 11/19/2014 1:40 am : link
In comment 11987493 Dye Job said:
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a Giant in 2010 but we have a GM that doesn't understand the complexities of trading up in the draft.


Sorry, but you're an idiot. We passed on Iupati. He went #17, we had pick #15. We took JPP with that pick, he was a key player during our championship run.
RE: RE: Iupati should have been  
Anakim : 11/19/2014 1:54 am : link
In comment 11987783 David in LA said:
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In comment 11987493 Dye Job said:


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a Giant in 2010 but we have a GM that doesn't understand the complexities of trading up in the draft.



Sorry, but you're an idiot. We passed on Iupati. He went #17, we had pick #15. We took JPP with that pick, he was a key player during our championship run.


We should've taken Zack Martin over Odell Beckham Jr.!!!!!!!!!!!!
RE: Maybe it's just me  
area junc : 11/19/2014 9:39 am : link
In comment 11987459 A1022 said:
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But why do a lot of people here think Pugh would be better inside? I'm no expert, but he is light and strength doesn't seem to be one of his best attributes. Can someone with more knowledge tell me why moving him would be a good idea?



it's a valid concern - he'd have to gain weight. right now, he is playing himself out of the T position so u have to find a spot for him. most NFL G's are ex-college T's who had to kick inside due to lack of arm length/athleticism. pugh fits the bill
to my eye  
area junc : 11/19/2014 9:41 am : link
he has not done much to improve his game. talks a good game, seems to have all kind of character but where r the results? wonder if he's as committed as he was billed to b
Is this Plausible ?  
BBurns : 11/19/2014 11:10 am : link
Free Agent Iupati
Draft Scherr <sp> OT from Iowa .
Could Beatty Move to RT
Scherr Schwartz Richberg Pugh Beatty ?
Then Focus on defense Spikes Or Nick Fairley if
he comes back Healthy .
Go Linebacker or Safety in round 2
What's interesting  
blueblood'11 : 11/19/2014 11:51 am : link
is that with all the money they spent on free agents this past season they will be twenty million under the cap this coming year. Now it's up to Jerry to spend it wisely and rebuild this offensive line. Maybe get a good one in free agency and draft the best possible offensive lineman with their first overall pick.
What is the obsession with moving Pugh inside?  
Matt M. : 11/19/2014 12:05 pm : link
He was strictly an OT in college and he was a pretty good RT his rookie year. What indication is there that he would succeed at OG?
As for JPP, I wouldn't concern myself with him  
Matt M. : 11/19/2014 12:06 pm : link
He is likely going to be looking for a larger payday than the giants should be willing to pay. Unless he is willing to play for a really cheap deal, I wouldn't even negotiate with him.
Orlando Franklin would be a nice addition  
Eric on Li : 11/19/2014 12:39 pm : link
Can play G or T and has been an above average player at both, so if they feel they need to move Pugh inside they can. Don't think he would be super expensive, but would add power, experience, and versatility. I'd still look to pick an OL in the first few rounds for even more depth, but that would give the OL above average players across the board - many with the versatility to play multiple positions.

Beatty - Franklin - Richburg - Schwartz - Pugh

Walton would be the backup center and you'd hopefully have a solid draft pick or 2 waiting in the wings. Plenty of solid OL out there in the mid-rounds like Bryan Stork and Brandon Linder last year, we just need to stop picking projects and start picking guys who know how to play the game.
RE: RE: Iupati would be great .  
Disgruntled NYGfan : 11/19/2014 4:08 pm : link
In comment 11987393 Emil said:
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In comment 11987388 BBurns said:


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As long as he get that OT from Iowa Scherr<sp>
Or Best LT available I think the draft is fairly
deep there,
Then onto the Defense . I think Justin Houstan LB would
be a solid start to filling some of the holes .
Bring Will Hill back ok probably not .
Nick Fairley coming off a knee ...



I like Justin Houston, but I believe he is strictly a 3-4 OLB. He is listed a 6-3, 258, but not sure he can play RDE. I could see Kansas City letting him walk as he might be too expensive to keep, but unless the Giants are switching to a 3-4, I don't see Houston being a good fit.


If you want to see a real American Horror Story, have this team play 3-4 with our current linebacking talent + Houston.
Disgruntled One  
BBurns : 11/19/2014 7:02 pm : link
He is a great Pass Rusher and decent VS the Run .
Its not like we are terrorizing the Oppositions QB.s
Name one Player on the Giants thats a great Blitzer ?
JPP is not all world but he is damn good against the run
Don't break the Bank Lets get Eli to restructure
So we can go after a Legitimate starter for the
O-line . 3-4 4-3 Houstan is far better than any two
current LB's on the team .
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