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SOA - my god, an episode that didn't suck!

Greg from LI : 11/19/2014 1:06 am
I must say, I'm stunned. That was actually excellent. Bloated again, but things actually moved right along. Some really great scenes - Jax and Unser, Jax and Juice, Gemma and Nero. Things actually made sense! Characters acted in ways that followed their internal logic. There are finally consequences coming.

I hope this is a harbinger of a strong finish after a weak season.
Did you notice his English accent sneaking out  
montanagiant : 11/19/2014 1:13 am : link
When he confronted Juice? Powerful scene that Juice played perfect
Jimmy Smits is amazing.  
Shockeyisthebest80 : 11/19/2014 1:14 am : link
Nothing else needs to be said beyond that.
i agree  
dancing blue bear : 11/19/2014 1:16 am : link
better then it has been. I'm pot committed with the show, so i have been enduring. getting down to the nitty gritty. i really don't have a sense for how it will end. hopefully, it will make sense. tonight was def a step in the right direction
yeah, Charlie Hunnum is a decent actor  
Greg from LI : 11/19/2014 1:19 am : link
But his accent has been disintegrating this season. He was never exactly flawless at sounding American, but somehow he keeps getting worse and worse.
And while Wayne is still a dope  
Greg from LI : 11/19/2014 1:20 am : link
Good for him for finally calling Jax on all his bullshit.
The one thing that is annoying  
armsteadeatslittlekids : 11/19/2014 2:08 am : link
Is Uncer not piecing it all together. I mean, why bother with the scenes to this point where he's investigating and coming across some real whoppers? Its just not believable. The scene with Jax should have been more one sided and instead I found myself rooting against Uncer for being a twit.
Enjoyed the episode.  
Randy in CT : 11/19/2014 6:36 am : link
Hunnan has gotten lazy with his accent. He should have worked on it more. But like him as Jax and as an actor.
I don't know  
UConn4523 : 11/19/2014 8:41 am : link
I think i'm so sick of the show now that I maintained rolling my eyes atleast 10 times lastnight and couldn't wait for it to finish.

All signs pointing to Gemma shouldn't have taken 6.75 seasons, and the catalyst shouldn't have been a pre-schooler.

Its funny before he came on the show I cursed them for enlisting Jimmy Smits due to his ruining of Dexter, but he's been one of the few bright lights of the past few seasons.
Robert Deniro  
pjcas18 : 11/19/2014 8:46 am : link
couldn't have saved Dexter, that was a tough role and an awful plot, I didn't blame Smits.

That scene last night when he was on the phone listening to Jax relay the story of Tara's murder and him being in front of Gemma and they played it so we couldn't hear the conversation, but only saw Nero's reaction was possibly the best acted scene in the shows 7 seasons.
I don't disagree  
UConn4523 : 11/19/2014 8:50 am : link
but he was pathetic on Dexter, and the show was ruined after just 3 seasons. Plenty of other reasons why that show was ruined which I won't clutter this thread with, but his addition was abysmal.

But like I said, he's been great on Sons, easily the best actor on the show outside of Perlman. Hunnam is an ok actor, and was/is definitely lazy with his accent, which I blame Sutter for for not noticing and doing retakes.
I  
mitch300 : 11/19/2014 12:09 pm : link
was shocked that the truth about Gemma came out this early. I expected maybe at the end of the 2nd to last episode. I figured should would be confronted and lie and weazel her way out of it like she has numerous times for other B.S. she has done thru out the show. That chase scene music was something out of the 70's movie/tv shows.
Gemma's going to become a nun  
GiantSteps : 11/19/2014 1:40 pm : link
book it
Jimmy Smits  
figgy2989 : 11/19/2014 1:44 pm : link
Was absolutely tremendous in this episode. His whole reaction and facial expressions during the phone call with Jax was great. I actually watched that stupid Anarchy After word to see Smits talk about that scene. Even more credit to Smits was the guy had asked him if there was even anyone on the other end of the phone for the scene. He said no, Sutter told him to play it out for 30+ seconds and do as he pleased.....

RE: The one thing that is annoying  
figgy2989 : 11/19/2014 1:46 pm : link
In comment 11987790 armsteadeatslittlekids said:
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Is Uncer not piecing it all together. I mean, why bother with the scenes to this point where he's investigating and coming across some real whoppers? Its just not believable. The scene with Jax should have been more one sided and instead I found myself rooting against Uncer for being a twit.


I think Unser has known for a while that it was Gemma that killed Tara...he had to once he found out the asian guy they outed was arrested the same night in another state.

One problem I have with Unser is that he is still trying to protect Gemma...that is why he provoked Jax to hit him infront of the sheriff so they could put an APB out on him. He knows Jax has the mindset to kill her.
RE: yeah, Charlie Hunnum is a decent actor  
figgy2989 : 11/19/2014 1:48 pm : link
In comment 11987779 Greg from LI said:
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But his accent has been disintegrating this season. He was never exactly flawless at sounding American, but somehow he keeps getting worse and worse.


Absolutely, it was definitely more pronounced last night, especially in the scene with Juice...
the chase scene was such an obvious commercial for Dodge  
Greg from LI : 11/19/2014 1:53 pm : link
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I can not stand Unser at this point  
nygiants16 : 11/19/2014 1:56 pm : link
he truly is one of the most hypocritical people on the show..

How long has he been in SAMCRO's pocket?

How has he not pieced together that Gemma was the one who killed Tara? its been right in his face this entire time but of course hi slove for Gemma changes everything...he says Jax doesnt care about Tara? maybe you should take your blinders off old man and look at your perfect little angel Gemma...

There has been so many signs thrown into his face that he has just blatantly ignored its unbelievable...

At this point i think the show's final scene is a fast forwrd 20 years with Abel sitting at the table where his fathers and John's ring and he is now the President of SAMCRO with Opie's son his VP...
*Wearing his fathers and JT's ring  
nygiants16 : 11/19/2014 1:58 pm : link
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I did love the Gemma-Chucky exchange  
Greg from LI : 11/19/2014 1:59 pm : link
Chucky: You're my best friend, Gemma.

*pause*

Gemma: I can accept that.
So it seems like its  
pjcas18 : 11/19/2014 2:34 pm : link
all going to come down to Indian Hills.

Jax wont get the Mayhem vote  
nygiants16 : 11/19/2014 2:38 pm : link
but he will lose the President seat...
From the previews it would seem that way...  
figgy2989 : 11/19/2014 2:40 pm : link
I wonder how they are going to handle Robocop being the rat...

It was obvious and I know a lot of people called it on here too that he was the one who gave up the gun location to the Chinese. Not shocking that he got paid a nice fee for that information...

Kind of sucks that Lin had to still be killed...I would have liked to see a truce between the Chinese. This way Brown, Black (one niners) and White all just go after Marks. That storyline isn't going to die either. Wonder how they will fit that in with only two episodes remaining. Guess these last two are going to be like 3 hours long per episode.
That retard can't survive 20 years in the real world.  
GiantFilthy : 11/20/2014 2:52 pm : link
He will die from a paste overdose at the age of 16.

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nygiants16 : 11/19/2014 1:56 pm : link : reply

At this point i think the show's final scene is a fast forwrd 20 years with Abel sitting at the table where his fathers and John's ring and he is now the President of SAMCRO with Opie's son his VP...
Seriously. I imagine on set it's like...  
GiantFilthy : 11/20/2014 2:57 pm : link
ABEL: Is daddy going to be okaaay?

SUTTER: Cut! Not bad. Not bad. Again. A little more retarded.

ABEL: iz daadee going to be okaaay?

SUTTER: Cut! Good, good. Ok. One more time. Tard it up, son. Don't be afriad.

ABEL: iz dahdee g

SUTTER: More.

ABEL: iz dahdee gong b

SUTTER: More.

ABEL: is

SUTTER: Turn the tard up to eleven, kid! Lets go! Fuck. Can someone get me some lead paint?!
mocking five year olds  
Greg from LI : 11/20/2014 2:58 pm : link
You're acquitting yourself nicely here.
That little kid creeps me the hell out  
PetesHereNow : 11/20/2014 3:01 pm : link
He never smiles. He doesn't smile when he's playing in the schoolyard, when he's shown affection by loved ones, or anytime.

I get that he's seen some fucked up shit, but he's like serial killer status.
I'm no acquitter.  
GiantFilthy : 11/20/2014 3:02 pm : link
You should here how I talk to mine.
I was just thinking of something  
nygiants16 : 11/20/2014 3:02 pm : link
what if Sutter has Jax killed on his way to the farm to meet Wendy and Nero and never gets a chance to kil gemma...he lets her go and basically disowns her...

then they show 20 years later a person wearing a SAMCRO cut and all you here is Gbye Grandma like Abel said to Gemma as she as walking away...then you see the gun and the person holding it wearing Jax's and Jt's rings and then you see Gemma and she gets shot in the head...reaper up...

So Abel outs her as the killer and actually kills her...
Agreed that last night's episode was pretty good.  
Mad Mike : 11/20/2014 3:04 pm : link
But my biggest takeaway from the show at this point is that if I ever get cancer, I want the kind that Unser's got. I'll live forever!
Guarantee you if that retard lasts another 20 years,  
GiantFilthy : 11/20/2014 3:05 pm : link
he will be found walking the streets still saying, "Gbye Grandma."

I think that is kind of the point  
figgy2989 : 11/20/2014 3:05 pm : link
Think about the kids life, he was born to a druggie mom and had to be in an incubator for his first few months in this world, got kidnapped and brought to Belfast where he was put on the black market for sale, only to have his "adoptive" parents gunned down, been in a pretty nice automobile wreck while his Grandmother was high, grew up thinking his mom was his mom, only to find out that was actually not his mom...

Yeah, I think he should be fucked up...kid plays it pretty well.

I don't  
UConn4523 : 11/20/2014 3:09 pm : link
kids don't really comprehend that stuff at that age. Abel should be 7 or 8 and it would make more sense.

Kids at that age have short attention spans and just want to play. I'm not an expert by any means, merely an observation based off experience.

Its a minor gripe though as the whole show is 1 giant mess. It needs to be put out of its misery.
RE: I think that is kind of the point  
Randy in CT : 11/20/2014 3:11 pm : link
In comment 11990391 figgy2989 said:
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Think about the kids life, he was born to a druggie mom and had to be in an incubator for his first few months in this world, got kidnapped and brought to Belfast where he was put on the black market for sale, only to have his "adoptive" parents gunned down, been in a pretty nice automobile wreck while his Grandmother was high, grew up thinking his mom was his mom, only to find out that was actually not his mom...

Yeah, I think he should be fucked up...kid plays it pretty well.
C'mon, we don't know the kid personally--let's be honest. He sucks as an actor. As does Marilyn Manson. Courtney Love is doing quite well actually. And in a fit of irony, turns Gemma in to the authorities.
If jax dies  
PetesHereNow : 11/20/2014 3:13 pm : link
It'll be in a way that protects the club and his family.

There's only two groups that could want to kill him. August Marks, but I don't think he has any troops to do the job. The Chinese as retaliation for Lin and the other Chinese guy.

Would kinda make sense that jax has to die because Gemma thought Tara was a rat and blamed it on the Chinese.
RE: I think that is kind of the point  
PetesHereNow : 11/20/2014 3:16 pm : link
In comment 11990391 figgy2989 said:
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Think about the kids life, he was born to a druggie mom and had to be in an incubator for his first few months in this world, got kidnapped and brought to Belfast where he was put on the black market for sale, only to have his "adoptive" parents gunned down, been in a pretty nice automobile wreck while his Grandmother was high, grew up thinking his mom was his mom, only to find out that was actually not his mom...

Yeah, I think he should be fucked up...kid plays it pretty well.


He should be fucked up, yeah. But at least, a half smile when he's on the swings maybe? He's less emotional than Eli manning.
You  
mitch300 : 11/20/2014 3:33 pm : link
guys do realize that Abel is played by twins.Are they both shitty actors or is this the way Sutter wants them to be protrayed.
I think all child actors  
UConn4523 : 11/20/2014 3:49 pm : link
under a certain age have to be twins...
RE: I think all child actors  
Greg from LI : 11/20/2014 3:57 pm : link
In comment 11990510 UConn4523 said:
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under a certain age have to be twins...


Yep. They aren't allowed much time to shoot under child labor laws, so virtually all very young actors are twins.
Sutter just couldn't resist  
RicFlair : 11/20/2014 4:00 pm : link
putting in the Action Hero Jax car chase.
Well, if it follows the plot of Hamlet  
HomerJones45 : 11/20/2014 4:01 pm : link
Gemma will take a bullet intended for Jax. Jax will kill Nero and Marks or the Chinese (I can't decide who plays the Norwegians here. I am guessing Marks is Fortinbras, but maybe not) will take over Charming.
RE: Sutter just couldn't resist  
Greg from LI : 11/20/2014 4:05 pm : link
In comment 11990543 RicFlair said:
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putting in the Action Hero Jax car chase.


Dodge insisted, obviously.
The guy Jax stole the car from  
armsteadeatslittlekids : 11/20/2014 11:30 pm : link


Liam and me, we're gonna fuck you up.
The car chase, with the music  
Fort Mill Mike : 11/22/2014 10:01 pm : link
was that an homage to Steve McQueen, specifically Bullitt?

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