interesting to note that while both reviews are fairly in sync, I tend to agree more with Klopsis on the pass pressure on the 3rd and 4th picks. (Plus, it's interesting to note that he also picked up Beckham calling for the ball on the 1st pick).
at the 2nd INT. Notice Manning's arm as he is about to throw. Randle isnt even looking or running the route Manning expects.
Even the CB squats on the play... how the frick is he suppose to throw the ball when the WR isnt even looking.
And just as I expoected on the 4th INT, the ball is in front of RR (not behind him as some posters pointed out) and Randle just does very little to make a play. The corner makes a great play, RR does nothing on the play.
INTs #1 and #3 are all on Eli though. Especially the first one, very poor decision.
at the 2nd INT. Notice Manning's arm as he is about to throw. Randle isnt even looking or running the route Manning expects.
On INT #2 Randle did not run the wrong route, or stop his route. The defender read the route, read Eli staring him down, and caused Eli to alter his throw which lead to the pick. Why exactly do you believe that pick is not on Eli? Because Randle wasn't looking? I think you know that the QB does not wait until the WR turns around and looks for the ball before throwing it, right?
The first interception was on Eli. He should have gone to Jennings and get what you can get. I also think he say OBJ call for the ball, and with this receiving core, he's one of the few guys Eli trusts.
The second was technically on Eli, although it's more of just shitty circumstances. He tried to stop the throw but couldn't. Bradshaw tries to stop before the end zone in the Super Bowl but couldn't, and most of us probably laugh about that.
The third throw was on Eli, although his line didn't help. It pains me to see how wide open Parker was. Maybe if he has more time, he gets the ball to Parker, although that window was closing fast by then.
The fourth throw I put on the line. Brown and Beatty got owned and Eli forced it. He needed to just take the sack.
The fifth throw, I blame the receivers. Five receivers and not one can get any separation? It's fourth down there, so Eli has to put the ball somewhere.
was caused partially by pressure, but Manning also has to know to just get down and take the sack rather than throwing the ball up for grabs.
There are contributing factors on most INTs, but Manning owns primary responsibility for all of the first four. I don't fault him for the fifth as it is 4th down and even if nobody is open you have to try and force it in.
at the 2nd INT. Notice Manning's arm as he is about to throw. Randle isnt even looking or running the route Manning expects.
On INT #2 Randle did not run the wrong route, or stop his route. The defender read the route, read Eli staring him down, and caused Eli to alter his throw which lead to the pick. Why exactly do you believe that pick is not on Eli? Because Randle wasn't looking? I think you know that the QB does not wait until the WR turns around and looks for the ball before throwing it, right?
Look at the picture where the ball is intercpted. That is the point in which Randle FINALLY to see where the ball is. Yes, I agree the corner jumped the route... but if the route was a post corner which was indicated.....the play SHOULD have worked. Jumping the route is exactly what you want on a double move like that. And if you look at how Eli in the throwing formation, that throw looks more of a ball with pace than a some air that you typically see with a post corner.
Me Thinks it was more of a stop/curl/or possibly an out and when Eli was ready to throw it, Mr. Randle would not have been ready for it.
Again, 3 INTs in his direction is not a coincidence.
at the 2nd INT. Notice Manning's arm as he is about to throw. Randle isnt even looking or running the route Manning expects.
Even the CB squats on the play... how the frick is he suppose to throw the ball when the WR isnt even looking.
And just as I expoected on the 4th INT, the ball is in front of RR (not behind him as some posters pointed out) and Randle just does very little to make a play. The corner makes a great play, RR does nothing on the play.
INTs #1 and #3 are all on Eli though. Especially the first one, very poor decision.
Posts like this are just comical. I am one of Eli's biggest fans but there is no defending him on any of those picks. They were all on the QB, no ifs ands or buts about it.
Yes, the line sucks which results in Eli forcing more balls but the picks on Sunday were all his fault. Stop making fools of yourselves and trying to find everyone else to blame. It's not like receivers are running the wrong routes or they are tipped off their own hands into those of defenders. Eli made some horrible decisions plain and simple.
at the 2nd INT. Notice Manning's arm as he is about to throw. Randle isnt even looking or running the route Manning expects.
Even the CB squats on the play... how the frick is he suppose to throw the ball when the WR isnt even looking.
And just as I expoected on the 4th INT, the ball is in front of RR (not behind him as some posters pointed out) and Randle just does very little to make a play. The corner makes a great play, RR does nothing on the play.
INTs #1 and #3 are all on Eli though. Especially the first one, very poor decision.
Posts like this are just comical. I am one of Eli's biggest fans but there is no defending him on any of those picks. They were all on the QB, no ifs ands or buts about it.
Yes, the line sucks which results in Eli forcing more balls but the picks on Sunday were all his fault. Stop making fools of yourselves and trying to find everyone else to blame. It's not like receivers are running the wrong routes or they are tipped off their own hands into those of defenders. Eli made some horrible decisions plain and simple.
Posts like your shows a lack of knowledge at the position, which I find very comical. Good work.
Want to tell me why its of for a WR to slow down or stop on a route? And you prefer Eli to throw the ball away on 4th down instead of trying to make ap lay? Any sort of insight will be helpful. Thanks in advance.
Even the CB squats on the play... how the frick is he suppose to throw the ball when the WR isnt even looking.
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Dude, throwing the ball when the WR isn't looking is part of the game. The WR is supposed to be in a spot and the QB throws to it. Randle is never in the right spot, but that's a different point. You can't wait for the WR to turn around and wait for the ball like in the school playground...
Even the CB squats on the play... how the frick is he suppose to throw the ball when the WR isnt even looking.
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Dude, throwing the ball when the WR isn't looking is part of the game. The WR is supposed to be in a spot and the QB throws to it. Randle is never in the right spot, but that's a different point. You can't wait for the WR to turn around and wait for the ball like in the school playground...
I understand and agree completely. But if you breakdown how he is throwing the ball on that 2nd INT... Eli isnt throwing a post corner. He is throwing some quick type of pass. Thats why when he said the corner jumped the route, he didnt want to throw the pass. How does a corner "jump" a post corner. A post corner requires some air on the ball, which is something Eli clearly wasnt doing with his intentions.
There was still some type of issue between Eli/RR on the play. The way Eli was throwing the ball and the route RR was running suggests that it was a post corner. Because if the corner jumped on a post corner, RR would have been open....
So you think Randle was just supposed to run a different route than what he was running or what both articles suggest he was running based on what? The fact that Eli started to throw and then stopped?
The corner was in position to make a play on the route run. Its up to Eli to recognize Randle is not open and go somewhere else with the ball. He recognized this fact, but too late.
It's admirable how much you stick up for Eli, but it also clouds your judgment to a pretty significant degree.
is Eli supposed to go somewhere else with the ball when the pressure is right in his face?? It's either try to complete the throw or take the sack.
When you create pressure, you create turnovers (or sacks/incompletions).
Some QBs are inclined to take the sack. Eli will often chuck it and try to make a play. There are points for and against that.
I'm specifically talking about the 4th pick.
Picks 1 and 3 were bad decisions, the 2nd was just an unlucky one, trying to pull back. The last was you need to force it, but it's still an interception.
is Eli supposed to go somewhere else with the ball when the pressure is right in his face?? It's either try to complete the throw or take the sack.
When you create pressure, you create turnovers (or sacks/incompletions).
Some QBs are inclined to take the sack. Eli will often chuck it and try to make a play. There are points for and against that.
Not sure if you are talking about the second pick, but if you are take a look at the pictures in both articles. When Eli lets go of the ball there is a very clean pocket. If nobody else was open he had plenty of time to throw it away.
There is so much to learn from them. A few highlights:
1) The blaming of Randle for everything that goes wrong is total bullshit. He was not to blame for any of these interceptions. To think otherwise is a perfect example of confirmation bias.
2) Eli has a problem of staring down his receivers and not going through his progressions. It's a problem he's had in the past. He's not the worst QB in the league in this area, but he's far from the best either. This is probably the single biggest attribute that separate's the Brady's and Payton's from the rest of the pack.
Look at the 3rd pick. Eli's stares down Randle on the entire route and doesn't see a wide open Parker for an easy first down in the middle of the field. This is 100% on Eli.
Same issue on the 1st pick. He decides he's going to Beckham and doesn't notice an open receiver Parker right behind Beckham. A poor decision and a bad throw (should have led Beckham to his left) = interception. 100% on Eli.
3) We need use our runnings back more in pass protection. I don't think they stayed home to help on any of these plays. But even when there is pressure Eli's got to be smarter than to force throws - either throw it away or take the sack.
I'm sure you'll all see what you want in this but I think if you're being honest you have to admit this was an awful game for Eli. It doesn't mean we should dump him but let's at least be honest when he shits the bed like he did in this game.
So you think Randle was just supposed to run a different route than what he was running or what both articles suggest he was running based on what? The fact that Eli started to throw and then stopped?
The corner was in position to make a play on the route run. Its up to Eli to recognize Randle is not open and go somewhere else with the ball. He recognized this fact, but too late.
It's admirable how much you stick up for Eli, but it also clouds your judgment to a pretty significant degree.
My point is that its not a coincidence that the majority of INTs are balls targets for Randle. You can assess it the way you want.
And the first 4 INTs may very well have been all bad throws or decisions by Eli. I agree. However, the fact is that Randle being involved so often tells me there is more to the story. I still am wondering how a beat reporter thinks a corner stopped a play by jumping a post corner. You dont jump those routes, because if you do - you were probably beat on the play.
Look at the 3rd and 4th plays on your DVR...if you still have the game... the pass rush prevented Eli from looking anywhere but his primary receiver....especially on the 4th pick. But on the 3rd the pocket was collapsing and I think Eli expected to get clobbered.
He had a shitty game last week. There were a ton of contributing factors, but plenty of it was on him.
Above all else, one thing that bothers me about Eli - and it's part his nature, trying to make something out of nothing - is the refusal to get rid of the ball sooner, more often. I realize it's a lost play, but for God's sake, don't wait until you're ready to plant your face onto the turf to throw the ball. If there's nothing there after 2-3 seconds, it's safe to say the OL isn't going to hold any longer, and only bad things will happen if you don't get rid of it.
it would be nice if Eli saw an open guy everytime he was open intiially, but a QB goes through reads that the defense is suppose to give him. If he thinks Parker was the 3rdread on the play, he will look to his first two reads first. The problem is by the time he gets to his 3rd read, he is uaully getting hit.
The first INT was all on Eli. He had a open curl route right in his sight line of Beckham but he tried to force it.
the worst pick is the one where he says he saw the CB jump the route, yet the ball still came out. You can't do that.
A close second was just winging the ball deep to Randle. You can't do that either. Take the sack.
The first Borland pick happens. The LB made a great play. Last pick..no one was open.
Totally agree, and yes the first pick was a great play by Borland (not just the read and jumping the route but it was a great catch).
The 5th was on 4th down and he was just trying to make a play, we all know that. The point is he still threw 3 REALLY BAD interceptions and there is no defending them.
I am not worrying about Eli, he just had an awful game, and yes, you could almost put the loss on him, but again it's just one game.
As someone who has played and coached football, I have to tell it like it is.
Look at the 3rd and 4th plays on your DVR...if you still have the game... the pass rush prevented Eli from looking anywhere but his primary receiver....especially on the 4th pick. But on the 3rd the pocket was collapsing and I think Eli expected to get clobbered.
I agree with you on the 4th pick....but not at all on the 3rd. He had pressure but he had time to see Parker wide open in the middle of the field.
I'm not saying it's easy to go through several reads when you're facing some heat....it's incredibly difficult. But right now it's not a skill Manning is showing that he has. And based on the 1st and 2nd picks he's not going through his reads even when he has a clean pocket.
To be fair this is one game and it's not something I've focused on this season so I can't really comment on it any more than that.
it would be nice if Eli saw an open guy everytime he was open intiially, but a QB goes through reads that the defense is suppose to give him. If he thinks Parker was the 3rdread on the play, he will look to his first two reads first. The problem is by the time he gets to his 3rd read, he is uaully getting hit.
The first INT was all on Eli. He had a open curl route right in his sight line of Beckham but he tried to force it.
dep....you're explanation of the 2nd pick shows that you are absolutely desperate to blame anyone other than Eli for anything that goes wrong. There's really no point discussing anything with you because you've got a horrible case of confirmation bias going on here.
We all suffer from that but I'm trying my best to be objective here. I don't hate Eli...I'm in awe of the two playoff runs he made in 07 and 11. I named my son Eli in 2009....didn't name him after Eli but if I really disliked him I'd have picked a different name! But I'm not going to sit here and say he's blameless when he's not. I just want to know the truth about what's going on with the Giants, that' all.
is Eli supposed to go somewhere else with the ball when the pressure is right in his face?? It's either try to complete the throw or take the sack.
When you create pressure, you create turnovers (or sacks/incompletions).
Some QBs are inclined to take the sack. Eli will often chuck it and try to make a play. There are points for and against that.
Not sure if you are talking about the second pick, but if you are take a look at the pictures in both articles. When Eli lets go of the ball there is a very clean pocket. If nobody else was open he had plenty of time to throw it away.
Mike, I'm talking the fourth pick. Eli was hit high as I remember right after he delievered the throw, almost simultaneously..so there's no chance to go thru any progressions. It's either try to make a play, or take a sack.
The second was one he didn't even want to throw...he tried to hold up. Just unlucky that there was a player in that area where the ball ended up.
it would be nice if Eli saw an open guy everytime he was open intiially, but a QB goes through reads that the defense is suppose to give him. If he thinks Parker was the 3rdread on the play, he will look to his first two reads first. The problem is by the time he gets to his 3rd read, he is uaully getting hit.
The first INT was all on Eli. He had a open curl route right in his sight line of Beckham but he tried to force it.
dep....you're explanation of the 2nd pick shows that you are absolutely desperate to blame anyone other than Eli for anything that goes wrong. There's really no point discussing anything with you because you've got a horrible case of confirmation bias going on here.
We all suffer from that but I'm trying my best to be objective here. I don't hate Eli...I'm in awe of the two playoff runs he made in 07 and 11. I named my son Eli in 2009....didn't name him after Eli but if I really disliked him I'd have picked a different name! But I'm not going to sit here and say he's blameless when he's not. I just want to know the truth about what's going on with the Giants, that' all.
You are right. Post corners get jumped all the time (heres some info... you cant jump a corner post/corner route as it was said). And you are right that throwing motion was so smooth that it was Eli's intention the whole time to throw it 10 yards away from the target.
You know what I think... I think the route was suppose to be a stop/curl type route and when Eli saw the corner jump in AND Randle not expecting it forced Eli to try and hold up. And when he couldnt..... the ball came out awkwardly to the LB.
And if Randle is blameless as everyone here somehow agrees.... can you explain why he stopped running full speed on the 3rd INT which was pointed on by both replay AND Announcers during teh game?
Eli said he thought Randle got hooked by the CB, which prevented him from getting to his spot. That in fact could have helped break up the INT, or even have a situation where Randle fights for the ball and comes down with it (unlikely lol).
Anyway, I still thought it was a poor throw/deicison, Eli was pressured and really never could step into the throw.
If I see the saftey cutting over early (and he was), I either take the sack or try to scramble out of the pocket.
Randle consistently gets the most targets week in and week out. Do you think that may be more than coincidentally linked to the facts that most of his INTs are also thrown in Randle's direction?
Eli said he thought Randle got hooked by the CB, which prevented him from getting to his spot. That in fact could have helped break up the INT, or even have a situation where Randle fights for the ball and comes down with it (unlikely lol).
Anyway, I still thought it was a poor throw/deicison, Eli was pressured and really never could step into the throw.
If I see the saftey cutting over early (and he was), I either take the sack or try to scramble out of the pocket.
The first and 3rd INTs were Elis fault. But anyone who can directly tell what happened on the 2nd INT is jsut speculating (like myself). You dont have that awkward of a throwing motion intentionally.
Randle consistently gets the most targets week in and week out. Do you think that may be more than coincidentally linked to the facts that most of his INTs are also thrown in Randle's direction?
Problem is its been going on for over 2 years now. This isnt something that is new. A lot of press has been made about it already.
Look at the 3rd and 4th plays on your DVR...if you still have the game... the pass rush prevented Eli from looking anywhere but his primary receiver....especially on the 4th pick. But on the 3rd the pocket was collapsing and I think Eli expected to get clobbered.
Yep. Eli had a terrible game. But our offensive woes are primarily on the cluster-phucque we have masquerading as an offensive line. For 2 seasons now. We are wasting Eli's prime years trotting that garbage out onto the field each game.
Some INTs are on Eli. Some are on Randle. Both this year and last.
Eli had a shit game. But he's been one of the few bright spots in this miserable season. My guess is he was pressing in a desperate desire to make something happen. He also has few weapons, and a horrific OL. And he wasn't the idiot who called three consecutive fades from the four. Moronic.
Reese and Ross are the problem. Not Eli. And that is from someone who does not believe we should extend Eli after this season.
As Eric said if you have immediate pressure you can't go through
it would be nice if Eli saw an open guy everytime he was open intiially, but a QB goes through reads that the defense is suppose to give him. If he thinks Parker was the 3rdread on the play, he will look to his first two reads first. The problem is by the time he gets to his 3rd read, he is uaully getting hit.
The first INT was all on Eli. He had a open curl route right in his sight line of Beckham but he tried to force it.
dep....you're explanation of the 2nd pick shows that you are absolutely desperate to blame anyone other than Eli for anything that goes wrong. There's really no point discussing anything with you because you've got a horrible case of confirmation bias going on here.
We all suffer from that but I'm trying my best to be objective here. I don't hate Eli...I'm in awe of the two playoff runs he made in 07 and 11. I named my son Eli in 2009....didn't name him after Eli but if I really disliked him I'd have picked a different name! But I'm not going to sit here and say he's blameless when he's not. I just want to know the truth about what's going on with the Giants, that' all.
VERY WELL SAID. Dep embarrassed himself on this thread.
I have seen a lot of people say Eli stares down receivers
and does not always go through his progressions. While that is true to an extent, I have noticed over the years that on certain plays Eli knows where he is going with the ball before it is even snapped. He plays like madden and will throw to that man regardless of coverage or pressure.
A couple of examples are the sluggo route over the middle to Steve Smith and the Wheel route to Cruz in Gilbride's offense. No matter what he is going to throw to that player on that play and will not even look in any other direction. Often times the defense recognizes the play and jumps the route for an interception.
it would be nice if Eli saw an open guy everytime he was open intiially, but a QB goes through reads that the defense is suppose to give him. If he thinks Parker was the 3rdread on the play, he will look to his first two reads first. The problem is by the time he gets to his 3rd read, he is uaully getting hit.
The first INT was all on Eli. He had a open curl route right in his sight line of Beckham but he tried to force it.
dep....you're explanation of the 2nd pick shows that you are absolutely desperate to blame anyone other than Eli for anything that goes wrong. There's really no point discussing anything with you because you've got a horrible case of confirmation bias going on here.
We all suffer from that but I'm trying my best to be objective here. I don't hate Eli...I'm in awe of the two playoff runs he made in 07 and 11. I named my son Eli in 2009....didn't name him after Eli but if I really disliked him I'd have picked a different name! But I'm not going to sit here and say he's blameless when he's not. I just want to know the truth about what's going on with the Giants, that' all.
VERY WELL SAID. Dep embarrassed himself on this thread.
Until you explain how a corners jumps a post corner route and why randle stopped running a route... I wouldn't question anyone's knowledge of the game. Good try buddy.
So in summary, I think the focus should be only on
INT #1 and INT #4 in regards to what happened with Eli on the throw.
INT #3 was a 3rd and Long situation, with the Giants out of field goal range. Eli essentially just punted the ball down field on that play, just trying to make something happen.
Same thing with INT #5 - that was a 4th and Goal situation, and turning the ball over in that situation is irrelevant with the Giants failing to have a play set up to get someone open.
INT #2, as was pointed out during the broadcast, was the ball slipping out of Eli's hands as he realized that he didn't have the look he wanted in the middle of his motion. Really the only "bad" INT on the day was INT #1. INT #4 was a bad throw, but it was caused by a breakdown in protection and pressure in Eli's face.
don't think Dep embarrassed himself on this thread. He's simply trying to make the best case he can for his position.
I just think the analysis of what happened on any particular INT is secondary to the mess that was the entire game, and frankly the entire season. Eli is to blame for some INTs. Randle and the other receivers are to blame for others.
I do recall reading that his new offense places less of a premium on going through the progressions and more of premium on selecting the single best option based on a presnap reading and getting the ball out. I think we saw some of that play out with Eli staring down a particular target. I disagree that he has had this issue consistently throughout his career. We're seeing adjustments to the new offense coupled with pressure that negated his ability to roll to a second or third read
thanks for posting. I like the Newsday one better as I am not a fan of Raanan.
The Giants lose to good teams mainly because any physical defensive front just dominates the o line. There was no pass protection for most of the game and the run game was impotent.
Eli is the QB, he threw it to the other team. In that sense he is at fault for all the picks. He would be the first to say that.
I do think Eli can not play with Randle. Beckham has been in the league five minutes and he goes up and grabs the ball like a freak. He is battling for the ball. Randle does not seem to have that fight to go get the ball and finish plays that are not working out ideally. I have nothing to base this on except what I see from my living room.
This is a disastrous combo with Eli because he is a gunslinger and will often try to squeeze one in there. That will work wonders with Beckham going forward, but with a guy who will not fight for the ball and even give up it is not good.
The QB is at fault for picks, the buck stops there as it were. That said I think the Giants should move on from Randle as he is the only WR in over a decade who can not play with Eli.
but you can see with your naked eye that Randle physically slows down his body and never fights for the ball... I mean, can a brutha play some defense there if he's not going to catch it?
I haven't done more than skim the beginning of this thread; maybe I'll read it all later, so sorry of this has already been pointed out. I was at the game with my cousin, a 49ers season-ticket holder. He was watching Eli, and noticed that he often wasn't checking down all even when he had time -- probably because he couldn't rely on having the time. Either that, or less likely, that it's just become his habit in MacAdoo's offense.
There's just too many excuses with Eli homers. It's the line. It's the WR's. It's bad luck. It's the coordinator. It's the wind. It's everything else. I love Eli, I'm a huge fan, but he's not a great QB to have when everything isn't great. Why? Because he's immobile and he's not really a heady player. He's a very smart player, but when he needs to think fast and instincts take over, he makes a ton of mistakes.
he does in this system as he continues to play in it. It would be nice if we can add talent to the offense. Overall though, in year 1, with shitty personnel, Eli has had a good year. I expected worse.
You are just pretending like you don't because you care about Eli more than you care about me. It's ok, I understand that I will never be able to compete with Eli for your love and admiration.
There was nothing unlucky about him throwing a ball that was easily defended and then picked off. I guess you can make a case that it was a bit unfortunate that it was picked off as opposed to just falling to the ground, but we are just splitting hairs in that situation.
You are just pretending like you don't because you care about Eli more than you care about me. It's ok, I understand that I will never be able to compete with Eli for your love and admiration.
There was nothing unlucky about him throwing a ball that was easily defended and then picked off. I guess you can make a case that it was a bit unfortunate that it was picked off as opposed to just falling to the ground, but we are just splitting hairs in that situation.
Yeah you are right. I think I rather Eli just throw the ball away on 4th down to not risk an INT. Hell, maybe even take a sack. That way the people here on BBI wouldnt get as mad that he threw an INT, because that is what is important.
And no I really dont care about your opinion. But you clearly care about my opinion on Eli as you point this out on almost every thread you respond to me too. Kind of sad, isnt it?
pathetic than sad, but again, we are just splitting hairs. It could be worse, you could have an over the top love affair for someone on a different team.
On the first two INTs he had more time and threw the ball to the wrong receiver. However, he seemed like he was trying to get her ball out quick because he feared the OL collapsing.
The third and fourth INTs were on the OL. Two jailbreaks. When that happens regularly, INTs area matter of time. I don't care who the QB is.
Fifth int was just great defense by the 49ers. Five guys in the pattern. Nobody was open. It was fourth down. Eli had no choice but to stick in there and hope for the best.
Good news is that these INTs are all a product of poor OL play and they likely won't happen as the OL improves. And it will get better with Schwartz replacing Jerry and Richburg moving to center next year. Richburg gas been truly awful during this six game losing streak. Probably the worst pass blocking I have ever seen
could have made a better read on that last INT. If he threw it earlier, it looks like the WR was open. Maybe he could have looked elsewhere instead of throwing it late into coverage. I guess it's just unlucky though.
could have made a better read on that last INT. If he threw it earlier, it looks like the WR was open. Maybe he could have looked elsewhere instead of throwing it late into coverage. I guess it's just unlucky though.
The problem was Eli didnt have eyes on the side of his head like Peyton, Brady, and Rodgers does. He actually went through reads, and if you actually look at the picture every single person was covered really well.
But I agree eli could have done a better job at getting the WRs open. He needs to be better at that.
It shwos Eli looking at OBJ who had 1 on 1 coverage. Thats just stupid by Eli, he should have known his best WR was going to be cover, and Preston Parker was open for literally a split second.
the worst pick is the one where he says he saw the CB jump the route, yet the ball still came out. You can't do that.
A close second was just winging the ball deep to Randle. You can't do that either. Take the sack.
The first Borland pick happens. The LB made a great play. Last pick..no one was open.
Yet this is the one that dep026 keeps blaming Randle on in every thread. Eli read it wrong as evidenced by the safety jumping the route and Randle turning it up field. Eli threw that ball well, and I mean well after Randle saw the coverage and turned up towards the endzone.
I could agree with dep if Eli threw the ball before Randle turned, but Eli did not see the safety when Randle obviously did. See it is both the QB and WR reading the route and if the WR sees coverage he alters his route to find the hole.
He stares down Randle not OBJ because he doesnt know where the fuck he is going to go. You clowns are ridiculous to call into question the talent of a 2x Super Bowl Cahampion QB. You dont luck into that. He is tough as nails and nothing phazes him, he is the perfect QB. Get him a fucking line that can block, give him a little run game. We win. 2011 is the perfect example of that.
the worst pick is the one where he says he saw the CB jump the route, yet the ball still came out. You can't do that.
A close second was just winging the ball deep to Randle. You can't do that either. Take the sack.
The first Borland pick happens. The LB made a great play. Last pick..no one was open.
Yet this is the one that dep026 keeps blaming Randle on in every thread. Eli read it wrong as evidenced by the safety jumping the route and Randle turning it up field. Eli threw that ball well, and I mean well after Randle saw the coverage and turned up towards the endzone.
I could agree with dep if Eli threw the ball before Randle turned, but Eli did not see the safety when Randle obviously did. See it is both the QB and WR reading the route and if the WR sees coverage he alters his route to find the hole.
Then explain to me how a corner jumps a post corner. If a corner jumps a route on a post corner it means he was fooled and the corner route should have been open?
the worst pick is the one where he says he saw the CB jump the route, yet the ball still came out. You can't do that.
A close second was just winging the ball deep to Randle. You can't do that either. Take the sack.
The first Borland pick happens. The LB made a great play. Last pick..no one was open.
Yet this is the one that dep026 keeps blaming Randle on in every thread. Eli read it wrong as evidenced by the safety jumping the route and Randle turning it up field. Eli threw that ball well, and I mean well after Randle saw the coverage and turned up towards the endzone.
I could agree with dep if Eli threw the ball before Randle turned, but Eli did not see the safety when Randle obviously did. See it is both the QB and WR reading the route and if the WR sees coverage he alters his route to find the hole.
And didn't you claim the 4th INT was thrown low and behind randle, when it clearly wasnt?
I don't understand how Borland mad e a great play,
on the first int....OBj ran towards him, he stood his ground , and Eli made it easy for him by staring OBj down...it was an easy int as he was watching Eli's eyes....terrible throw by Eli to a guy who was not open, and on first down no less....once again, another first down int...ahhhhhrrrrrr!
On two of the three next int's, other receivers were open, but Eli is staring down a receiver.....When was the last time he had a pump fake and went in another direction?
The last int, he had to make a throw on 4th down.....I am still pissed we lined up in single coverage opposite a defender, instead of a bunch formation where one of the receivers slants off the other two....never mind not having Jennings block and then slip out for a pass...
The 1st pick the LB made a great play - sometimes that happens.
I am as big a supporter of Eli as there is but you just can't throw 5 picks in an NFL game regardless of circumstances. Saddest thing is they still had a chance to win after he had 4
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Even the CB squats on the play... how the frick is he suppose to throw the ball when the WR isnt even looking.
And just as I expoected on the 4th INT, the ball is in front of RR (not behind him as some posters pointed out) and Randle just does very little to make a play. The corner makes a great play, RR does nothing on the play.
INTs #1 and #3 are all on Eli though. Especially the first one, very poor decision.
On INT #2 Randle did not run the wrong route, or stop his route. The defender read the route, read Eli staring him down, and caused Eli to alter his throw which lead to the pick. Why exactly do you believe that pick is not on Eli? Because Randle wasn't looking? I think you know that the QB does not wait until the WR turns around and looks for the ball before throwing it, right?
The second was technically on Eli, although it's more of just shitty circumstances. He tried to stop the throw but couldn't. Bradshaw tries to stop before the end zone in the Super Bowl but couldn't, and most of us probably laugh about that.
The third throw was on Eli, although his line didn't help. It pains me to see how wide open Parker was. Maybe if he has more time, he gets the ball to Parker, although that window was closing fast by then.
The fourth throw I put on the line. Brown and Beatty got owned and Eli forced it. He needed to just take the sack.
The fifth throw, I blame the receivers. Five receivers and not one can get any separation? It's fourth down there, so Eli has to put the ball somewhere.
There are contributing factors on most INTs, but Manning owns primary responsibility for all of the first four. I don't fault him for the fifth as it is 4th down and even if nobody is open you have to try and force it in.
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at the 2nd INT. Notice Manning's arm as he is about to throw. Randle isnt even looking or running the route Manning expects.
On INT #2 Randle did not run the wrong route, or stop his route. The defender read the route, read Eli staring him down, and caused Eli to alter his throw which lead to the pick. Why exactly do you believe that pick is not on Eli? Because Randle wasn't looking? I think you know that the QB does not wait until the WR turns around and looks for the ball before throwing it, right?
Look at the picture where the ball is intercpted. That is the point in which Randle FINALLY to see where the ball is. Yes, I agree the corner jumped the route... but if the route was a post corner which was indicated.....the play SHOULD have worked. Jumping the route is exactly what you want on a double move like that. And if you look at how Eli in the throwing formation, that throw looks more of a ball with pace than a some air that you typically see with a post corner.
Me Thinks it was more of a stop/curl/or possibly an out and when Eli was ready to throw it, Mr. Randle would not have been ready for it.
Again, 3 INTs in his direction is not a coincidence.
Even the CB squats on the play... how the frick is he suppose to throw the ball when the WR isnt even looking.
And just as I expoected on the 4th INT, the ball is in front of RR (not behind him as some posters pointed out) and Randle just does very little to make a play. The corner makes a great play, RR does nothing on the play.
INTs #1 and #3 are all on Eli though. Especially the first one, very poor decision.
Posts like this are just comical. I am one of Eli's biggest fans but there is no defending him on any of those picks. They were all on the QB, no ifs ands or buts about it.
Yes, the line sucks which results in Eli forcing more balls but the picks on Sunday were all his fault. Stop making fools of yourselves and trying to find everyone else to blame. It's not like receivers are running the wrong routes or they are tipped off their own hands into those of defenders. Eli made some horrible decisions plain and simple.
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at the 2nd INT. Notice Manning's arm as he is about to throw. Randle isnt even looking or running the route Manning expects.
Even the CB squats on the play... how the frick is he suppose to throw the ball when the WR isnt even looking.
And just as I expoected on the 4th INT, the ball is in front of RR (not behind him as some posters pointed out) and Randle just does very little to make a play. The corner makes a great play, RR does nothing on the play.
INTs #1 and #3 are all on Eli though. Especially the first one, very poor decision.
Posts like this are just comical. I am one of Eli's biggest fans but there is no defending him on any of those picks. They were all on the QB, no ifs ands or buts about it.
Yes, the line sucks which results in Eli forcing more balls but the picks on Sunday were all his fault. Stop making fools of yourselves and trying to find everyone else to blame. It's not like receivers are running the wrong routes or they are tipped off their own hands into those of defenders. Eli made some horrible decisions plain and simple.
Posts like your shows a lack of knowledge at the position, which I find very comical. Good work.
Want to tell me why its of for a WR to slow down or stop on a route? And you prefer Eli to throw the ball away on 4th down instead of trying to make ap lay? Any sort of insight will be helpful. Thanks in advance.
Even the CB squats on the play... how the frick is he suppose to throw the ball when the WR isnt even looking.
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Dude, throwing the ball when the WR isn't looking is part of the game. The WR is supposed to be in a spot and the QB throws to it. Randle is never in the right spot, but that's a different point. You can't wait for the WR to turn around and wait for the ball like in the school playground...
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Even the CB squats on the play... how the frick is he suppose to throw the ball when the WR isnt even looking.
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Dude, throwing the ball when the WR isn't looking is part of the game. The WR is supposed to be in a spot and the QB throws to it. Randle is never in the right spot, but that's a different point. You can't wait for the WR to turn around and wait for the ball like in the school playground...
I understand and agree completely. But if you breakdown how he is throwing the ball on that 2nd INT... Eli isnt throwing a post corner. He is throwing some quick type of pass. Thats why when he said the corner jumped the route, he didnt want to throw the pass. How does a corner "jump" a post corner. A post corner requires some air on the ball, which is something Eli clearly wasnt doing with his intentions.
There was still some type of issue between Eli/RR on the play. The way Eli was throwing the ball and the route RR was running suggests that it was a post corner. Because if the corner jumped on a post corner, RR would have been open....
The corner was in position to make a play on the route run. Its up to Eli to recognize Randle is not open and go somewhere else with the ball. He recognized this fact, but too late.
It's admirable how much you stick up for Eli, but it also clouds your judgment to a pretty significant degree.
When you create pressure, you create turnovers (or sacks/incompletions).
Some QBs are inclined to take the sack. Eli will often chuck it and try to make a play. There are points for and against that.
They still do them, because they are an NFL offense, but it's not all based on that, every play.
I think all five picks were on Eli on Sunday.
But they were still mostly bad decisions or bad throws, whatever the reason.
dep, I can appreciate you wanting to defend Eli, but you go over the top sometimes, and it hurts the overall argument.
When you create pressure, you create turnovers (or sacks/incompletions).
Some QBs are inclined to take the sack. Eli will often chuck it and try to make a play. There are points for and against that.
I'm specifically talking about the 4th pick.
Picks 1 and 3 were bad decisions, the 2nd was just an unlucky one, trying to pull back. The last was you need to force it, but it's still an interception.
When you create pressure, you create turnovers (or sacks/incompletions).
Some QBs are inclined to take the sack. Eli will often chuck it and try to make a play. There are points for and against that.
Not sure if you are talking about the second pick, but if you are take a look at the pictures in both articles. When Eli lets go of the ball there is a very clean pocket. If nobody else was open he had plenty of time to throw it away.
1) The blaming of Randle for everything that goes wrong is total bullshit. He was not to blame for any of these interceptions. To think otherwise is a perfect example of confirmation bias.
2) Eli has a problem of staring down his receivers and not going through his progressions. It's a problem he's had in the past. He's not the worst QB in the league in this area, but he's far from the best either. This is probably the single biggest attribute that separate's the Brady's and Payton's from the rest of the pack.
Look at the 3rd pick. Eli's stares down Randle on the entire route and doesn't see a wide open Parker for an easy first down in the middle of the field. This is 100% on Eli.
Same issue on the 1st pick. He decides he's going to Beckham and doesn't notice an open receiver Parker right behind Beckham. A poor decision and a bad throw (should have led Beckham to his left) = interception. 100% on Eli.
3) We need use our runnings back more in pass protection. I don't think they stayed home to help on any of these plays. But even when there is pressure Eli's got to be smarter than to force throws - either throw it away or take the sack.
I'm sure you'll all see what you want in this but I think if you're being honest you have to admit this was an awful game for Eli. It doesn't mean we should dump him but let's at least be honest when he shits the bed like he did in this game.
The corner was in position to make a play on the route run. Its up to Eli to recognize Randle is not open and go somewhere else with the ball. He recognized this fact, but too late.
It's admirable how much you stick up for Eli, but it also clouds your judgment to a pretty significant degree.
My point is that its not a coincidence that the majority of INTs are balls targets for Randle. You can assess it the way you want.
And the first 4 INTs may very well have been all bad throws or decisions by Eli. I agree. However, the fact is that Randle being involved so often tells me there is more to the story. I still am wondering how a beat reporter thinks a corner stopped a play by jumping a post corner. You dont jump those routes, because if you do - you were probably beat on the play.
Above all else, one thing that bothers me about Eli - and it's part his nature, trying to make something out of nothing - is the refusal to get rid of the ball sooner, more often. I realize it's a lost play, but for God's sake, don't wait until you're ready to plant your face onto the turf to throw the ball. If there's nothing there after 2-3 seconds, it's safe to say the OL isn't going to hold any longer, and only bad things will happen if you don't get rid of it.
A close second was just winging the ball deep to Randle. You can't do that either. Take the sack.
The first Borland pick happens. The LB made a great play. Last pick..no one was open.
The first INT was all on Eli. He had a open curl route right in his sight line of Beckham but he tried to force it.
A close second was just winging the ball deep to Randle. You can't do that either. Take the sack.
The first Borland pick happens. The LB made a great play. Last pick..no one was open.
Totally agree, and yes the first pick was a great play by Borland (not just the read and jumping the route but it was a great catch).
The 5th was on 4th down and he was just trying to make a play, we all know that. The point is he still threw 3 REALLY BAD interceptions and there is no defending them.
I am not worrying about Eli, he just had an awful game, and yes, you could almost put the loss on him, but again it's just one game.
As someone who has played and coached football, I have to tell it like it is.
I agree with you on the 4th pick....but not at all on the 3rd. He had pressure but he had time to see Parker wide open in the middle of the field.
I'm not saying it's easy to go through several reads when you're facing some heat....it's incredibly difficult. But right now it's not a skill Manning is showing that he has. And based on the 1st and 2nd picks he's not going through his reads even when he has a clean pocket.
To be fair this is one game and it's not something I've focused on this season so I can't really comment on it any more than that.
The first INT was all on Eli. He had a open curl route right in his sight line of Beckham but he tried to force it.
dep....you're explanation of the 2nd pick shows that you are absolutely desperate to blame anyone other than Eli for anything that goes wrong. There's really no point discussing anything with you because you've got a horrible case of confirmation bias going on here.
We all suffer from that but I'm trying my best to be objective here. I don't hate Eli...I'm in awe of the two playoff runs he made in 07 and 11. I named my son Eli in 2009....didn't name him after Eli but if I really disliked him I'd have picked a different name! But I'm not going to sit here and say he's blameless when he's not. I just want to know the truth about what's going on with the Giants, that' all.
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is Eli supposed to go somewhere else with the ball when the pressure is right in his face?? It's either try to complete the throw or take the sack.
When you create pressure, you create turnovers (or sacks/incompletions).
Some QBs are inclined to take the sack. Eli will often chuck it and try to make a play. There are points for and against that.
Not sure if you are talking about the second pick, but if you are take a look at the pictures in both articles. When Eli lets go of the ball there is a very clean pocket. If nobody else was open he had plenty of time to throw it away.
Mike, I'm talking the fourth pick. Eli was hit high as I remember right after he delievered the throw, almost simultaneously..so there's no chance to go thru any progressions. It's either try to make a play, or take a sack.
The second was one he didn't even want to throw...he tried to hold up. Just unlucky that there was a player in that area where the ball ended up.
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it would be nice if Eli saw an open guy everytime he was open intiially, but a QB goes through reads that the defense is suppose to give him. If he thinks Parker was the 3rdread on the play, he will look to his first two reads first. The problem is by the time he gets to his 3rd read, he is uaully getting hit.
The first INT was all on Eli. He had a open curl route right in his sight line of Beckham but he tried to force it.
dep....you're explanation of the 2nd pick shows that you are absolutely desperate to blame anyone other than Eli for anything that goes wrong. There's really no point discussing anything with you because you've got a horrible case of confirmation bias going on here.
We all suffer from that but I'm trying my best to be objective here. I don't hate Eli...I'm in awe of the two playoff runs he made in 07 and 11. I named my son Eli in 2009....didn't name him after Eli but if I really disliked him I'd have picked a different name! But I'm not going to sit here and say he's blameless when he's not. I just want to know the truth about what's going on with the Giants, that' all.
You are right. Post corners get jumped all the time (heres some info... you cant jump a corner post/corner route as it was said). And you are right that throwing motion was so smooth that it was Eli's intention the whole time to throw it 10 yards away from the target.
You know what I think... I think the route was suppose to be a stop/curl type route and when Eli saw the corner jump in AND Randle not expecting it forced Eli to try and hold up. And when he couldnt..... the ball came out awkwardly to the LB.
And if Randle is blameless as everyone here somehow agrees.... can you explain why he stopped running full speed on the 3rd INT which was pointed on by both replay AND Announcers during teh game?
Anyway, I still thought it was a poor throw/deicison, Eli was pressured and really never could step into the throw.
If I see the saftey cutting over early (and he was), I either take the sack or try to scramble out of the pocket.
Anyway, I still thought it was a poor throw/deicison, Eli was pressured and really never could step into the throw.
If I see the saftey cutting over early (and he was), I either take the sack or try to scramble out of the pocket.
The first and 3rd INTs were Elis fault. But anyone who can directly tell what happened on the 2nd INT is jsut speculating (like myself). You dont have that awkward of a throwing motion intentionally.
Problem is its been going on for over 2 years now. This isnt something that is new. A lot of press has been made about it already.
Yep. Eli had a terrible game. But our offensive woes are primarily on the cluster-phucque we have masquerading as an offensive line. For 2 seasons now. We are wasting Eli's prime years trotting that garbage out onto the field each game.
Eli had a shit game. But he's been one of the few bright spots in this miserable season. My guess is he was pressing in a desperate desire to make something happen. He also has few weapons, and a horrific OL. And he wasn't the idiot who called three consecutive fades from the four. Moronic.
Reese and Ross are the problem. Not Eli. And that is from someone who does not believe we should extend Eli after this season.
On the contrary to what jacobs27 said he is excellent at going through his reads when given the time..
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it would be nice if Eli saw an open guy everytime he was open intiially, but a QB goes through reads that the defense is suppose to give him. If he thinks Parker was the 3rdread on the play, he will look to his first two reads first. The problem is by the time he gets to his 3rd read, he is uaully getting hit.
The first INT was all on Eli. He had a open curl route right in his sight line of Beckham but he tried to force it.
dep....you're explanation of the 2nd pick shows that you are absolutely desperate to blame anyone other than Eli for anything that goes wrong. There's really no point discussing anything with you because you've got a horrible case of confirmation bias going on here.
We all suffer from that but I'm trying my best to be objective here. I don't hate Eli...I'm in awe of the two playoff runs he made in 07 and 11. I named my son Eli in 2009....didn't name him after Eli but if I really disliked him I'd have picked a different name! But I'm not going to sit here and say he's blameless when he's not. I just want to know the truth about what's going on with the Giants, that' all.
VERY WELL SAID. Dep embarrassed himself on this thread.
A couple of examples are the sluggo route over the middle to Steve Smith and the Wheel route to Cruz in Gilbride's offense. No matter what he is going to throw to that player on that play and will not even look in any other direction. Often times the defense recognizes the play and jumps the route for an interception.
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it would be nice if Eli saw an open guy everytime he was open intiially, but a QB goes through reads that the defense is suppose to give him. If he thinks Parker was the 3rdread on the play, he will look to his first two reads first. The problem is by the time he gets to his 3rd read, he is uaully getting hit.
The first INT was all on Eli. He had a open curl route right in his sight line of Beckham but he tried to force it.
dep....you're explanation of the 2nd pick shows that you are absolutely desperate to blame anyone other than Eli for anything that goes wrong. There's really no point discussing anything with you because you've got a horrible case of confirmation bias going on here.
We all suffer from that but I'm trying my best to be objective here. I don't hate Eli...I'm in awe of the two playoff runs he made in 07 and 11. I named my son Eli in 2009....didn't name him after Eli but if I really disliked him I'd have picked a different name! But I'm not going to sit here and say he's blameless when he's not. I just want to know the truth about what's going on with the Giants, that' all.
VERY WELL SAID. Dep embarrassed himself on this thread.
Until you explain how a corners jumps a post corner route and why randle stopped running a route... I wouldn't question anyone's knowledge of the game. Good try buddy.
INT #3 was a 3rd and Long situation, with the Giants out of field goal range. Eli essentially just punted the ball down field on that play, just trying to make something happen.
Same thing with INT #5 - that was a 4th and Goal situation, and turning the ball over in that situation is irrelevant with the Giants failing to have a play set up to get someone open.
INT #2, as was pointed out during the broadcast, was the ball slipping out of Eli's hands as he realized that he didn't have the look he wanted in the middle of his motion. Really the only "bad" INT on the day was INT #1. INT #4 was a bad throw, but it was caused by a breakdown in protection and pressure in Eli's face.
I just think the analysis of what happened on any particular INT is secondary to the mess that was the entire game, and frankly the entire season. Eli is to blame for some INTs. Randle and the other receivers are to blame for others.
The Giants lose to good teams mainly because any physical defensive front just dominates the o line. There was no pass protection for most of the game and the run game was impotent.
Eli is the QB, he threw it to the other team. In that sense he is at fault for all the picks. He would be the first to say that.
I do think Eli can not play with Randle. Beckham has been in the league five minutes and he goes up and grabs the ball like a freak. He is battling for the ball. Randle does not seem to have that fight to go get the ball and finish plays that are not working out ideally. I have nothing to base this on except what I see from my living room.
This is a disastrous combo with Eli because he is a gunslinger and will often try to squeeze one in there. That will work wonders with Beckham going forward, but with a guy who will not fight for the ball and even give up it is not good.
The QB is at fault for picks, the buck stops there as it were. That said I think the Giants should move on from Randle as he is the only WR in over a decade who can not play with Eli.
OBJ has his arm up, Eli throws it, and Borland makes a play on it. I guess you can call that "play above the Xs and Os" on that play for the niners.
Too bad I dont give a flying fuck what you think. Sorry, if I think a batted ball on 4th down where no one was open as bad luck.
There was nothing unlucky about him throwing a ball that was easily defended and then picked off. I guess you can make a case that it was a bit unfortunate that it was picked off as opposed to just falling to the ground, but we are just splitting hairs in that situation.
There was nothing unlucky about him throwing a ball that was easily defended and then picked off. I guess you can make a case that it was a bit unfortunate that it was picked off as opposed to just falling to the ground, but we are just splitting hairs in that situation.
Yeah you are right. I think I rather Eli just throw the ball away on 4th down to not risk an INT. Hell, maybe even take a sack. That way the people here on BBI wouldnt get as mad that he threw an INT, because that is what is important.
And no I really dont care about your opinion. But you clearly care about my opinion on Eli as you point this out on almost every thread you respond to me too. Kind of sad, isnt it?
The third and fourth INTs were on the OL. Two jailbreaks. When that happens regularly, INTs area matter of time. I don't care who the QB is.
Fifth int was just great defense by the 49ers. Five guys in the pattern. Nobody was open. It was fourth down. Eli had no choice but to stick in there and hope for the best.
Good news is that these INTs are all a product of poor OL play and they likely won't happen as the OL improves. And it will get better with Schwartz replacing Jerry and Richburg moving to center next year. Richburg gas been truly awful during this six game losing streak. Probably the worst pass blocking I have ever seen
The problem was Eli didnt have eyes on the side of his head like Peyton, Brady, and Rodgers does. He actually went through reads, and if you actually look at the picture every single person was covered really well.
But I agree eli could have done a better job at getting the WRs open. He needs to be better at that.
Eli has to do better than that.
A close second was just winging the ball deep to Randle. You can't do that either. Take the sack.
The first Borland pick happens. The LB made a great play. Last pick..no one was open.
Yet this is the one that dep026 keeps blaming Randle on in every thread. Eli read it wrong as evidenced by the safety jumping the route and Randle turning it up field. Eli threw that ball well, and I mean well after Randle saw the coverage and turned up towards the endzone.
I could agree with dep if Eli threw the ball before Randle turned, but Eli did not see the safety when Randle obviously did. See it is both the QB and WR reading the route and if the WR sees coverage he alters his route to find the hole.
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the worst pick is the one where he says he saw the CB jump the route, yet the ball still came out. You can't do that.
A close second was just winging the ball deep to Randle. You can't do that either. Take the sack.
The first Borland pick happens. The LB made a great play. Last pick..no one was open.
Yet this is the one that dep026 keeps blaming Randle on in every thread. Eli read it wrong as evidenced by the safety jumping the route and Randle turning it up field. Eli threw that ball well, and I mean well after Randle saw the coverage and turned up towards the endzone.
I could agree with dep if Eli threw the ball before Randle turned, but Eli did not see the safety when Randle obviously did. See it is both the QB and WR reading the route and if the WR sees coverage he alters his route to find the hole.
Then explain to me how a corner jumps a post corner. If a corner jumps a route on a post corner it means he was fooled and the corner route should have been open?
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the worst pick is the one where he says he saw the CB jump the route, yet the ball still came out. You can't do that.
A close second was just winging the ball deep to Randle. You can't do that either. Take the sack.
The first Borland pick happens. The LB made a great play. Last pick..no one was open.
Yet this is the one that dep026 keeps blaming Randle on in every thread. Eli read it wrong as evidenced by the safety jumping the route and Randle turning it up field. Eli threw that ball well, and I mean well after Randle saw the coverage and turned up towards the endzone.
I could agree with dep if Eli threw the ball before Randle turned, but Eli did not see the safety when Randle obviously did. See it is both the QB and WR reading the route and if the WR sees coverage he alters his route to find the hole.
And didn't you claim the 4th INT was thrown low and behind randle, when it clearly wasnt?
On two of the three next int's, other receivers were open, but Eli is staring down a receiver.....When was the last time he had a pump fake and went in another direction?
The last int, he had to make a throw on 4th down.....I am still pissed we lined up in single coverage opposite a defender, instead of a bunch formation where one of the receivers slants off the other two....never mind not having Jennings block and then slip out for a pass...
I am as big a supporter of Eli as there is but you just can't throw 5 picks in an NFL game regardless of circumstances. Saddest thing is they still had a chance to win after he had 4