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#Giants QB Eli Manning on his future: "I don't want anything else but to be here, play here and win another championship here." #NYG
Art Stapleton @art_stapleton 11m11 minutes ago
Eli Manning on his game: "I feel I can still make plays. I feel I can play at an extremely high level and take over games."
Art Stapleton @art_stapleton 12m12 minutes ago
Does it matter to team when former player calls for coach to be fired? Eli Manning: "I think it depends on your opinion of that player."
Art Stapleton @art_stapleton 13m13 minutes ago
Eli Manning with a nice jab for Tiki Barber's opinion Giants should fire Coughlin: "That's nice of him. It's good to hear from old Tiki."
Paul Schwartz @NYPost_Schwartz 1m1 minute ago Manhattan, NY
Eli on his future with the Giants: "Im gonna try to do my job and do it well enough where the franchise wants to keep me here.''
of the Giants needing to beat the Eagles in the last game to get into the playoffs....it's a raw, snowy day at Metlife...they're struggling, and then...BOOM, there goes #44 down the left sideline for a touchdown!!!
Brady resigned with the pats for an AAV of 11.4 million per year to help build out the rest of the team. A similar extension to that of Brady's would make me very happy.
and give us a discount when it comes to renegotiating his deal.
I wouldn't. I doubt Tom Condon will take a discount. If I am Eli, I am making sure what the plan is. Is Coughlin coming back? Are we going to fix the OL? How about talent at WR and TE? If it's a shit show, then, I wouldn't re-sign.
Brady resigned with the pats for an AAV of 11.4 million per year to help build out the rest of the team. A similar extension to that of Brady's would make me very happy.
Hey...unless Abby is bringing in $40+ million a year, I doubt that you can compare Eli's situation to Brady's. I mean, Eli is the sole breadwinner, so he has to keep food on the table, you know.
Brady resigned with the pats for an AAV of 11.4 million per year to help build out the rest of the team. A similar extension to that of Brady's would make me very happy.
Hey...unless Abby is bringing in $40+ million a year, I doubt that you can compare Eli's situation to Brady's. I mean, Eli is the sole breadwinner, so he has to keep food on the table, you know.
I wouldn't. I doubt Tom Condon will take a discount. If I am Eli, I am making sure what the plan is. Is Coughlin coming back? Are we going to fix the OL? How about talent at WR and TE? If it's a shit show, then, I wouldn't re-sign.
You bring up a good point. I wonder if Reese and Coughlin (if they are kept) will bring Eli in to talk about what plans they have in improving the team, so that they can give him a warm and fuzzy on possibly taking a more team friendly deal (since I doubt Eli really needs the money).
I'd love to see this team succeed again with Eli under center. Eli isn't what I am worried about, though. I am worried about the fact we've got a lot of holes to fill and barely any depth and think it's going to take a couple years to put a legitimately good team around him. And at that point, who knows what he's going to still have in the tank.
I think he can still play for a bit but we don't have forever here.
and you shouldn't be, but let's say you're on the fence, you should want Eli to stay here with the Giants just for the small chance to see Eli do something hilariously magical with NYG one more time.
The guy has been written off so many times now and TWICE he shit all over the NFL. Why can't he do it again 2-3 years from now? OR even next year? He's done it twice. HE can do it again. To me, it's worth the risk just to take one more shot at it with #10. IF he ever won another chip here with the Giants it would be fucking hilarious and so awesome.
We have to keep this guy long term. The potential for gold is too great to ignore. He's got his flaws but he's a known commodity. When the team is built capably, Eli delivers. Re-sign him and build the OL and offense around him.
And how awful would it be if he landed somewhere like the Raiders? Please football gods, no. Keep him in NYG blue until he decides it's time to hang em up for good. He's still got it going on.
Pay Nassib a couple of million over the next couple of years and use Eli's salary to stock up on players, including some high draft picks that you would get for trading Eli, or pay Eli his 15 million, and still have a talent starved roster for the forseeable future? Either way we are probably 3 years away from contending. Eli will be what, 38?
The thing that bugs me about Tiki is he tries to sound smart by using bigger words than you'd normally hear from an athlete, but he often uses those words incorrectly. It's embarrassing to listen to.
On the flip side, Eli usually doesn't have anything interesting to say at all. But it's pretty clear he's as smart as Tiki wishes he were.
Pay Nassib a couple of million over the next couple of years and use Eli's salary to stock up on players, including some high draft picks that you would get for trading Eli, or pay Eli his 15 million, and still have a talent starved roster for the forseeable future? Either way we are probably 3 years away from contending. Eli will be what, 38?
I've lived through enough crap QB's on this team over my 52 years that I personally hope that the Giants sign Eli to an extension, and Nassib never gets on the field for the Giants while Eli is here, other than in a cleanup role. As far as I'm concerned, that's the best chance the Giants have at getting back to the big game in the next 4-5 years in regards to the QB position on the team.
there is no way John Mara (who was there for the release of Phil Simms and the monstrosities that followed) lets the best QB in franchise history walk at 34-35 in favor of the potential abyss of quarterback uncertainty. No way.
He just happens to play in the fantasy football era of the sport where each pick is scrutinized and obsessed over.
Multiple SB MVPs
Bart Starr
Terry Bradshaw
Joe Montana
Tom Brady
ELI MANNING
Find me another QB who can walk into those conditions in Green Bay and 4 years later San Francisco and win one of those game let alone both.
Eli is so underrated/under-appreciated it's a joke.
I love Eli and he's had some magical moments and his 2011 was a legitimately great season from start to finish.
But he's not as good as his brother.. or Rodgers.. or Luck.. or Brady. He's just not. And that's ok. It doesn't have to mean Eli sucks.
He's one of the most polarizing, enigmatic figures to ever play the sport. And he's a 2x SB MVP and Champion which no one can ever take away from him. But as far as elite, upper echelon QB's go in this league right now.. he is not one of them.
Rich Gannon on Francesa just threw Eli under the bus.
Mentioned Eli is still making same mistakes as last year and does not feel Eli's play is better than last year. Feels Giants have to be concerned with his play moving forward.
gannon's point (which i agree with) is that eli still has the same problems as last year (and the 2nd half of 2012). he has no escapability and appears to be losing confidence in the O and making bad decisions (again) as his protection breaks down. he is also missing badly on his deep ball again
John Jerry, JD Walton and Charles Brown, or Rueben Randle for that matter. How many deep balls has Eli thrown this year? He's thrown some lasers to Beckham in recent weeks. To me there's been nothing alarming about his play overall, besides last week.
gannon's point (which i agree with) is that eli still has the same problems as last year (and the 2nd half of 2012). he has no escapability and appears to be losing confidence in the O and making bad decisions (again) as his protection breaks down. he is also missing badly on his deep ball again
He is also in his 10th game in this offense and was playing well with little support until Sunday...geez, give him a little time here.
The thing that bugs me about Tiki is he tries to sound smart by using bigger words than you'd normally hear from an athlete, but he often uses those words incorrectly. It's embarrassing to listen to.
+100
I'll never forget his very first appearance on Football Night in America on NBC. Dan Patrick no sooner introduced Tiki, when Tiki jumped in with, "...to provide the intellectual point of view!"
Patrick just looked at him for a beat, like, "ok...whatever..."
There are three other guys at the desk with you. But right off the bat, you're gonna make sure that everyone knows the "intellectual" point of view is coming from YOU. Way to make friends, there, Tiki.
John Jerry, JD Walton and Charles Brown, or Rueben Randle for that matter. How many deep balls has Eli thrown this year? He's thrown some lasers to Beckham in recent weeks. To me there's been nothing alarming about his play overall, besides last week.
gannon's point (which i agree with) is that eli still has the same problems as last year (and the 2nd half of 2012). he has no escapability and appears to be losing confidence in the O and making bad decisions (again) as his protection breaks down. he is also missing badly on his deep ball again
I can't buy what Gannon is selling. Here's what hasn't changed from last year- this team isn't going to win unless the quarterback takes it upon himself to win virtually every game.
This is not just an isolated opinion...
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What hes doing with nothing around him is a miracle, said one NFC personnel executive. (Injuries) took away the only guy they had that scared you (Victor Cruz) and his best running back. The only reason they move the ball at all, it seems, is because of him.
There's a difference between mobility and escapability. Eli's escapability is excellent as attested by his 160 consecutive starts. His mobility is lousy- but that's true of other successful quarterbacks as well.
Any quarterback would lose confidence behind this OL and its hard to make good decisions or throw an accurate deep ball when you're running for your life on virtually every passing down.
The year's offense has changed but the lack of running game coupled with a porous OL means that we're likely to get the same result as last years offense more often than not.
He's in the driver's seat as far as his next contract and will have the final word. If he desires to help the team financially, he will get a cap friendly deal.
Condon could be fired tomorrow and it would not matter to Eli at this point in his career.
The year's offense has changed but the lack of running game coupled with a porous OL means that we're likely to get the same result as last years offense more often than not. Eli Manning is having a good season so far, even if NY Giants are not - ( New Window )
I can't blame Eli for anything right now. With the hopeless Oline, Eli the gunslinger is trying his best to score, somehow, some way. That's where the INTs come from. He's a guy who HATES losing as much as we do.
The Oline is the worst unit the team last year and this year. I wish I had an Oline F/A list because we need to get 2 very good FA linemen. Then draft another one high.
RE: It would make me sick to see him go somewhere else...
And how awful would it be if he landed somewhere like the Raiders? Please football gods, no. Keep him in NYG blue until he decides it's time to hang em up for good. He's still got it going on.
Hey, no one wants him to go anywhere at all. But why would Oakland be a bad landing spot for a NY fan? It should be almost ideal. I mean, I am biased as I was born in Mountain View, just outside of S.F. and Oakland, but they are in the other conference and as far from NY as you can get other than Seattle or San Diego. Until Anchorage or Honalolo get a pro team Oak is right around the least bad option.
It's almost comical, that Eli should take a paycut,
because Reese screwed up the draft and free agency and didn't put together a decent OL in front of him....Eli, pay for your own line....it may be tax deductable....
By the way, Tom Brady got 14M per, not 11M per....and the end of his contract will be guaranteed by the end of this season....wait until you see the dead money on that contract....plus, anyone thinking Tom took one for the team, is crazy......when you see Tom working for the Kraft's after his career is over, think again....
because Reese screwed up the draft and free agency and didn't put together a decent OL in front of him....Eli, pay for your own line....it may be tax deductable....
By the way, Tom Brady got 14M per, not 11M per....and the end of his contract will be guaranteed by the end of this season....wait until you see the dead money on that contract....plus, anyone thinking Tom took one for the team, is crazy......when you see Tom working for the Kraft's after his career is over, think again....
How did Reese "screw up the draft" ?
We got a stud WR in the 1st rd, our future C in the 2nd, a DT with potential in the 3rd... Kennard could turn out to be solid.. Berhe will still get his chance.
We haven't had the best drafts in recent years but we hit a HR in round 1 this year and probably the guy who can anchor this OL in the middle for the next decade in round 2.
It's also 10 games into these guys careers. Hard to make a definitive statement either way that soon anyway
It's also not Reese's fault that we lost Thurmond after 1 1/2 games..
If we only have Eli and OBJ then this team is truly in rebuild mode. Eli will be 34 in January no one can call him someone you want to build a franchise around at this point due to his overall body of work. Is it worth paying a middle of the pack old QB 18-20+ mill when your team is not very good. He is going to cost big money to extend and his limited physical skills are not going to get better they will only get worst. Yes we would love for him to remain a Giant forever but can this team contend in the next two years with a somewhat proven base of only two players not likely.
Fate has been more than kind to us with Eli two SB wins and almost no injury history but the Gods are fickle. Seems like once we sign a player to long term extension the injury bug bites him. The only player that has been able to beat this injury bug has been Eli in the past 6-7 years. If you look around the league how many players are producing after signing long term big money extension and remain injury free that list would be very short.
I will be honest we all had high hopes prior to the start of the season with the exception of the passing game on offense. We could run the ball and play solid defense now we can't begin to know what this team can or can't do on offense or defense. The injury status hurts but it's the unknown elements this team brings to the playing field weekly which drives me/us crazy. It's not a playoff worthy team and playing for pride is BS to me if we are going to rebuild then it's best to put yourself in the best position to rebuild as quickly as possible.
The rebuild process begins with seeing what we have in Nassib, then we decide should we move on from Eli, trade Nassib or Eli. JPP is not a player we can't replace sad to say but it's the truth more than 4-5 mil for a run stopping DE is a waste of money. Our secondary looks like another draft/FA's priority for CB's and safety. Rolle is another player who is not irreplaceable but his leaving does leave the backend empty. Everybody wants Williams gone at LB lets give them what they want but sometimes you don't know what you have until it's gone. So that leaves Kennard, McClain and Anderson that's a it, Beason comes with buyer beware warning. Washington it seems is another guy who will remain a secret along with Moore, Robinson, Mosley, Bromley, Wynn, and Herman. So yes this team is a long way from contending why not find out what you have to build the future on now.
Eli Manning on his game: "I feel I can still make plays. I feel I can play at an extremely high level and take over games."
Does it matter to team when former player calls for coach to be fired? Eli Manning: "I think it depends on your opinion of that player."
Eli Manning with a nice jab for Tiki Barber's opinion Giants should fire Coughlin: "That's nice of him. It's good to hear from old Tiki."
I hope he never puts on another uniform.
I hope he never puts on another uniform.
This.
I could not agree more.
I do not even understand how any Giant fan could feel differently.
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Eli on his future with the Giants: "Im gonna try to do my job and do it well enough where the franchise wants to keep me here.''
I'm sure his agent (Tom Condon, right?) will fight tooth and nails to prevent Eli from taking a team-friendly deal as his possibly final contract.
Those comments would be worth the price of admission to see Eli as a stand-up comedian.
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He is awkward but funny.
Owns Tiki Barber.
Throw in 2 SB MVPs.
And 2 of something else, a left one and a right one.
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I like how he said "old"
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He is awkward but funny.
Say "comical" again!
Sound familiar....make it so Football Gods!!
I wouldn't. I doubt Tom Condon will take a discount. If I am Eli, I am making sure what the plan is. Is Coughlin coming back? Are we going to fix the OL? How about talent at WR and TE? If it's a shit show, then, I wouldn't re-sign.
Hey...unless Abby is bringing in $40+ million a year, I doubt that you can compare Eli's situation to Brady's. I mean, Eli is the sole breadwinner, so he has to keep food on the table, you know.
What makes you think he'd take less than market value when he didn't do so last time?
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Brady resigned with the pats for an AAV of 11.4 million per year to help build out the rest of the team. A similar extension to that of Brady's would make me very happy.
Hey...unless Abby is bringing in $40+ million a year, I doubt that you can compare Eli's situation to Brady's. I mean, Eli is the sole breadwinner, so he has to keep food on the table, you know.
Touche.
You bring up a good point. I wonder if Reese and Coughlin (if they are kept) will bring Eli in to talk about what plans they have in improving the team, so that they can give him a warm and fuzzy on possibly taking a more team friendly deal (since I doubt Eli really needs the money).
Eli doesn't need to be Rodgers, Brady, Peyton, or Luck. He is a Super Bowl caliber QB and with protection he is surgical.
We could spend a decade finding anyone who is even close to Eli. The NFL is far more year to year than a lot of you think.
I think he can still play for a bit but we don't have forever here.
The guy has been written off so many times now and TWICE he shit all over the NFL. Why can't he do it again 2-3 years from now? OR even next year? He's done it twice. HE can do it again. To me, it's worth the risk just to take one more shot at it with #10. IF he ever won another chip here with the Giants it would be fucking hilarious and so awesome.
We have to keep this guy long term. The potential for gold is too great to ignore. He's got his flaws but he's a known commodity. When the team is built capably, Eli delivers. Re-sign him and build the OL and offense around him.
Keep it real.
Keep it real.
So am I. Let me know if Peyton, Rodgers or Brady shake loose.
To me though, there is no player in any sport, ever I enjoy rooting for more than Eli.
I hope he never puts on another uniform.
EXACTLY!!!
And how awful would it be if he landed somewhere like the Raiders? Please football gods, no. Keep him in NYG blue until he decides it's time to hang em up for good. He's still got it going on.
Multiple SB MVPs
Bart Starr
Terry Bradshaw
Joe Montana
Tom Brady
ELI MANNING
Find me another QB who can walk into those conditions in Green Bay and 4 years later San Francisco and win one of those game let alone both.
Eli is so underrated/under-appreciated it's a joke.
On the flip side, Eli usually doesn't have anything interesting to say at all. But it's pretty clear he's as smart as Tiki wishes he were.
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We are lucky to have him.
I hope he never puts on another uniform.
EXACTLY!!!
I've lived through enough crap QB's on this team over my 52 years that I personally hope that the Giants sign Eli to an extension, and Nassib never gets on the field for the Giants while Eli is here, other than in a cleanup role. As far as I'm concerned, that's the best chance the Giants have at getting back to the big game in the next 4-5 years in regards to the QB position on the team.
No, Eli's choice of reply was much better. Took the same shot, without lowering himself to Tiki's level.
Multiple SB MVPs
Bart Starr
Terry Bradshaw
Joe Montana
Tom Brady
ELI MANNING
Find me another QB who can walk into those conditions in Green Bay and 4 years later San Francisco and win one of those game let alone both.
Eli is so underrated/under-appreciated it's a joke.
I love Eli and he's had some magical moments and his 2011 was a legitimately great season from start to finish.
But he's not as good as his brother.. or Rodgers.. or Luck.. or Brady. He's just not. And that's ok. It doesn't have to mean Eli sucks.
He's one of the most polarizing, enigmatic figures to ever play the sport. And he's a 2x SB MVP and Champion which no one can ever take away from him. But as far as elite, upper echelon QB's go in this league right now.. he is not one of them.
Eli had six interceptions in nine games coming into last week.
No difference?
gannon's point (which i agree with) is that eli still has the same problems as last year (and the 2nd half of 2012). he has no escapability and appears to be losing confidence in the O and making bad decisions (again) as his protection breaks down. he is also missing badly on his deep ball again
gannon's point (which i agree with) is that eli still has the same problems as last year (and the 2nd half of 2012). he has no escapability and appears to be losing confidence in the O and making bad decisions (again) as his protection breaks down. he is also missing badly on his deep ball again
He is also in his 10th game in this offense and was playing well with little support until Sunday...geez, give him a little time here.
To me though, there is no player in any sport, ever I enjoy rooting for more than Eli.
Exactly.
+100
I'll never forget his very first appearance on Football Night in America on NBC. Dan Patrick no sooner introduced Tiki, when Tiki jumped in with, "...to provide the intellectual point of view!"
Patrick just looked at him for a beat, like, "ok...whatever..."
There are three other guys at the desk with you. But right off the bat, you're gonna make sure that everyone knows the "intellectual" point of view is coming from YOU. Way to make friends, there, Tiki.
THIS
gannon's point (which i agree with) is that eli still has the same problems as last year (and the 2nd half of 2012). he has no escapability and appears to be losing confidence in the O and making bad decisions (again) as his protection breaks down. he is also missing badly on his deep ball again
I can't buy what Gannon is selling. Here's what hasn't changed from last year- this team isn't going to win unless the quarterback takes it upon himself to win virtually every game.
This is not just an isolated opinion...
There's a difference between mobility and escapability. Eli's escapability is excellent as attested by his 160 consecutive starts. His mobility is lousy- but that's true of other successful quarterbacks as well.
Any quarterback would lose confidence behind this OL and its hard to make good decisions or throw an accurate deep ball when you're running for your life on virtually every passing down.
The year's offense has changed but the lack of running game coupled with a porous OL means that we're likely to get the same result as last years offense more often than not.
Eli Manning is having a good season so far, even if NY Giants are not - ( New Window )
Condon could be fired tomorrow and it would not matter to Eli at this point in his career.
The year's offense has changed but the lack of running game coupled with a porous OL means that we're likely to get the same result as last years offense more often than not. Eli Manning is having a good season so far, even if NY Giants are not - ( New Window )
I can't blame Eli for anything right now. With the hopeless Oline, Eli the gunslinger is trying his best to score, somehow, some way. That's where the INTs come from. He's a guy who HATES losing as much as we do.
The Oline is the worst unit the team last year and this year. I wish I had an Oline F/A list because we need to get 2 very good FA linemen. Then draft another one high.
And how awful would it be if he landed somewhere like the Raiders? Please football gods, no. Keep him in NYG blue until he decides it's time to hang em up for good. He's still got it going on.
Hey, no one wants him to go anywhere at all. But why would Oakland be a bad landing spot for a NY fan? It should be almost ideal. I mean, I am biased as I was born in Mountain View, just outside of S.F. and Oakland, but they are in the other conference and as far from NY as you can get other than Seattle or San Diego. Until Anchorage or Honalolo get a pro team Oak is right around the least bad option.
By the way, Tom Brady got 14M per, not 11M per....and the end of his contract will be guaranteed by the end of this season....wait until you see the dead money on that contract....plus, anyone thinking Tom took one for the team, is crazy......when you see Tom working for the Kraft's after his career is over, think again....
By the way, Tom Brady got 14M per, not 11M per....and the end of his contract will be guaranteed by the end of this season....wait until you see the dead money on that contract....plus, anyone thinking Tom took one for the team, is crazy......when you see Tom working for the Kraft's after his career is over, think again....
How did Reese "screw up the draft" ?
We got a stud WR in the 1st rd, our future C in the 2nd, a DT with potential in the 3rd... Kennard could turn out to be solid.. Berhe will still get his chance.
We haven't had the best drafts in recent years but we hit a HR in round 1 this year and probably the guy who can anchor this OL in the middle for the next decade in round 2.
It's also 10 games into these guys careers. Hard to make a definitive statement either way that soon anyway
We have Eli, Beckham, and that's about it.
We have the #32 defense. No OL. And nothing else.
Fate has been more than kind to us with Eli two SB wins and almost no injury history but the Gods are fickle. Seems like once we sign a player to long term extension the injury bug bites him. The only player that has been able to beat this injury bug has been Eli in the past 6-7 years. If you look around the league how many players are producing after signing long term big money extension and remain injury free that list would be very short.
I will be honest we all had high hopes prior to the start of the season with the exception of the passing game on offense. We could run the ball and play solid defense now we can't begin to know what this team can or can't do on offense or defense. The injury status hurts but it's the unknown elements this team brings to the playing field weekly which drives me/us crazy. It's not a playoff worthy team and playing for pride is BS to me if we are going to rebuild then it's best to put yourself in the best position to rebuild as quickly as possible.
The rebuild process begins with seeing what we have in Nassib, then we decide should we move on from Eli, trade Nassib or Eli. JPP is not a player we can't replace sad to say but it's the truth more than 4-5 mil for a run stopping DE is a waste of money. Our secondary looks like another draft/FA's priority for CB's and safety. Rolle is another player who is not irreplaceable but his leaving does leave the backend empty. Everybody wants Williams gone at LB lets give them what they want but sometimes you don't know what you have until it's gone. So that leaves Kennard, McClain and Anderson that's a it, Beason comes with buyer beware warning. Washington it seems is another guy who will remain a secret along with Moore, Robinson, Mosley, Bromley, Wynn, and Herman. So yes this team is a long way from contending why not find out what you have to build the future on now.
We have Eli, Beckham, and that's about it.
We have the #32 defense. No OL. And nothing else.
That's a pretty nice way to sum it up. That's what I'll remember when looking back at this season.