http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000430968/article/eli-manning-dismisses-tikis-call-for-coughlin-ouster
Eli Manning -- he himself once the target of Barber's acidic tongue -- said little but conveyed much when told of his former teammate's opinion on Wednesday.
"That's nice of him," Manning said, according to the New York Daily News. "It's good to hear from old Tiki."
The quarterback was asked if it's a distraction when a former teammate calls for the coach to be fired.
"I think," Eli replied, "it depends on your opinion of that player."
NFL Media colleague Judy Battista remarked that Manning used a "sledgehammer wrapped in velvet" here. We quite like that.
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Considering how much EVERY RB for the Giants has fumbled since Tiki retired, I'd say Tiki deserves more credit than the coach (or at least an equal amount of credit).
He was asked about it so he had to answer. Not like he went out of his way to respond.
Considering what we all know about Eli at this stage, I think that is a damning fact for people who have defended Tiki since his retirement (and I've been on of those people from time to time).
I've been critical of Eli and I've also been a defender of Tiki, but I thought his response was perfect.
I'm trying to figure out how you could possibly be more wrong.
Maybe you should STFU
All he did wax answer a question jack a$$
Yeah! Start winning! I don't want to see a single player even eating dinner out until they start winning!
Geez....
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Tiki would be fumbling his car keys but for TC
Considering how much EVERY RB for the Giants has fumbled since Tiki retired, I'd say Tiki deserves more credit than the coach (or at least an equal amount of credit).
The only problem with that theory is that Tiki himself claimed that TC cured him of it
Not sure if serious...
You know you can keep saying this as some sort of mantra. Won't change the fact though that Tiki HIMSELF stated that TC cured him of his habit of fumbling. May not fit the point your trying to make but the guy himself said that
Who is going to be massively cheered?
And who is going to get booed out of the building?
if he doesnt retire, doesnt blast off eli, we never win that ring; theres no doubt in my mind about that.
so for us to sit here and to slap around tiki is plain wrong. he helped us win that superbowl as much as our DLine did.
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fumble like they were getting paid for it? Heck earlier this season, the Giants' offense, defense, and special teams all fumbled in the same game.
You know you can keep saying this as some sort of mantra. Won't change the fact though that Tiki HIMSELF stated that TC cured him of his habit of fumbling. May not fit the point your trying to make but the guy himself said that
Okay, let's take him at his word. Then that means TC refused to teach anyone else how not to fumble (obviously ridiculous). Or it could mean that the player deserves more credit for stopping that issue than he's given.
Tiki Barber was a better running back than Eli Manning is a QB, and it really isn't close.
He's just a disgustingly self-absorbed phony. Eli handled his stupid comments perfectly.
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fumble like they were getting paid for it? Heck earlier this season, the Giants' offense, defense, and special teams all fumbled in the same game.
You know you can keep saying this as some sort of mantra. Won't change the fact though that Tiki HIMSELF stated that TC cured him of his habit of fumbling. May not fit the point your trying to make but the guy himself said that
Okay, let's take him at his word. Then that means TC refused to teach anyone else how not to fumble (obviously ridiculous). Or it could mean that the player deserves more credit for stopping that issue than he's given.
You're being obtuse. While Bradshaw, Jacobs, etc... had their share of fumbles, they didn't fumble anywhere nearly as much as Tiki, who in the three years prior to Coughlin coming in, and Coughlin's first year, was fumbling 8 or 9 times a year! For instance, in the must win game against the Eagles in 2002, to get into the playoffs last game of the regular season, Tiki had three lost fumbles. That was not uncommon for him to have 2-3 per game during that time period. Over double anything the other guys did. It was an epidemic. In the must win Perhaps you are too young to remember.
Finally, Tiki clearly dislikes Coughlin. It's obvious. Why in the world would he lie to give him credit for that?
You're looking kind of foolish with this argument.
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TC is as well. Tiki Barber is a self absorbed failure as a man. He was a good RB for a few years. Not hall of fame quality.
Tiki Barber was a better running back than Eli Manning is a QB, and it really isn't close.
Of course, QB is a much more difficult position to play.
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fumble like they were getting paid for it? Heck earlier this season, the Giants' offense, defense, and special teams all fumbled in the same game.
You know you can keep saying this as some sort of mantra. Won't change the fact though that Tiki HIMSELF stated that TC cured him of his habit of fumbling. May not fit the point your trying to make but the guy himself said that
Okay, let's take him at his word. Then that means TC refused to teach anyone else how not to fumble (obviously ridiculous). Or it could mean that the player deserves more credit for stopping that issue than he's given.
Why would we not take him at his word? He hated TC, do you think he would praise someone he hated for the sake of lying? This is getting foolish at this point, those other players never had near the rep for fumbling Tiki did.
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In comment 11989169 Shockeyisthebest80 said:
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fumble like they were getting paid for it? Heck earlier this season, the Giants' offense, defense, and special teams all fumbled in the same game.
You know you can keep saying this as some sort of mantra. Won't change the fact though that Tiki HIMSELF stated that TC cured him of his habit of fumbling. May not fit the point your trying to make but the guy himself said that
Okay, let's take him at his word. Then that means TC refused to teach anyone else how not to fumble (obviously ridiculous). Or it could mean that the player deserves more credit for stopping that issue than he's given.
Why would we not take him at his word? He hated TC, do you think he would praise someone he hated for the sake of lying? This is getting foolish at this point, those other players never had near the rep for fumbling Tiki did.
Or what Britt said.
And I compliment Eli for supporting his current HC, whom he should be loyal to.
Tiki's biggest problem is he comes off aloof and pompous, and that's generally a huge turnoff to the common fan. You have win some championships to pull that off.
And I compliment Eli for supporting his current HC, whom he should be loyal to.
Tiki's biggest problem is he comes off aloof and pompous, and that's generally a huge turnoff to the common fan. You have win some championships to pull that off.
I should add that persona from Tiki is current, and when he was a player too.
Also, Eli is not a HOFer....I like the guy but c'mon. You can honestly say you've been watchin him over the last 3 years and you feel like your watching a HOF player?
You're free to have that opinion, of course, even though the facts don't agree.
After 10 seasons, Tiki Barber is 12th all-time in yards from scrimmage (his true specialty), 25th all-time in rushing yards, tied for 55th all-time in rushing TDs, and 102nd all-time in total touchdowns for a running back or wide receiver.
After 10 and a half seasons, Eli Manning is 17th all-time in passing yards (308 yards away from 15th) and 16th all-time in passing touchdowns. And carrying a team to a Super Bowl title in 2011 doesn't hurt, either. (But he didn't go to Virginia, so...)
Had Tiki played a couple of more years, which he couldv'e since he was playing at such a high level when he left. He'd be in the HOF conversation. Eli is ring of honor worthy, not all time great worthy due to the inconsistency of his play throughout his career.
Also, Eli is not a HOFer....I like the guy but c'mon. You can honestly say you've been watchin him over the last 3 years and you feel like your watching a HOF player?
Do these look like HOF stats to you? These are John Elways career numbers up to the same point Eli is at now.
Eli has a lot of football left to play, and unlike Elway, already has two rings at this point.
Had Tiki played a couple of more years, which he couldv'e since he was playing at such a high level when he left. He'd be in the HOF conversation. Eli is ring of honor worthy, not all time great worthy due to the inconsistency of his play throughout his career.
First of all, I was responding specifically to a claim that Eli's not close to as good a QB as Tiki was a RB.
Second of all, you do realize I compared Tiki's 10 seasons to Eli's 10 1/2, don't you? Why is longevity a factor in diminishing Eli's accomplishments?
He said something stupid. The grudges being held would lead you to believe that the guy did far worse.
I get why people dislike Plax (though I really don't) but I've always felt that what Tiki "did" was far more innocuous in the grand scheme of things.
It was obvious he regretted saying it and would probably like to be back in the good graces of Giant fans but for some reason he continues to get shunned and treated like he never did anything for this team. He was a hell of a player and a great Giant.
Actually none of them fumbled at alarming rates. For some, their fumbles were highlighted because they paid dearly in terms of lost playing time as a result.
Eli on the other hand is a 3 time PBer which really shows he's not regarded as one of the great QBs of this era.
He had 2 great runs, other than that it's been inconsistent.
I'm not saying they're equal players (they're not), but it really is amazing the difference timing can make when it comes to perception and image.
For those 5 years to end his career, he was a Top 3 back in this league. Only Tomlinson and Alexander were considered better. And I always believed that Tiki was a better back than Alexander during those years, that Seattle OL was downright historic with Jones and Hutchinson. I usually gave the nod to Tomlinson over Tiki because of the absurd TD production, but Tiki wasn't far behind LdT at all. And LdT is supposed to be the best RB of the post-2000 era (although Peterson was getting close to the title before this year).
I think it's unfortunate that Bettis and Curtis Martin will go in as HOFers while Tiki misses the cut. Those 2 were clearly more consistent throughout their careers, but when Tiki hit his prime he was on another level. Tiki is a HOFer in my eyes, not a 1st ballot no brainer but a HOFer. The early career fumbles and the lack of an extra year or two of longevity is what keeps him down but his late career renaissance was glorious to watch.
I'll never boo Tiki Barber. He was just too good in a Giants uniform. We could always bring LT into the discussion to point out the hypocrisy of the fan reactions. It just annoys me a little that Tiki is still such a despised figure among Giants fans.
But all that being said, he's an incredibly annoying twat who clearly has issues with his ego. Nose to the sky type of snob. I won't ever boo the guy but I get why some feel the need to.
A QB like that now wouldn't get slurped as an all timer the way he did and got etched into history as being a potential all time top ten/five guy. He'd have an uphill battle image-wise, to some extent at least.
Eli was pretty damned great in 2011, but I guess that can easily be dismissed by some vague, dismissive reference to how easy it is to pass in today's NFL, as if Tiki played in some ancient, bygone era where moving the ball was damned-near impossible. Tiki was a great halfback for a few years, but excuse me while I don't confuse him with Eric Dickerson or Barry Sanders. Frankly, it's laughable to maintain that Tiki was far better at his position than Eli is at his.
I don't think LT ever had those criticisms. He played hurt. He was always about football. He was a bad guy off the field for his own well being, but never smug, and never made sure everyone knew football was just a career stepping stone.
But I think it's still fair to atleast mention how LT gets nothing but love, despite being a far more despicable human being than Tiki.