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dep026 : 11/20/2014 8:35 am
Ok, I have a few dilemmas.

1. Do I start Watkins because of the weather?
2. Start two of the three: McCoy, Jennings, Denard Robinson - mind you I am already starting OBJ.
3. And I really do need help with this. Do I start Ryan home versus Cleveland or Rivers home vs. St. Louis.

The reason why three is a struggle is because I am looking for the biggest boom potential. Something like 300 yards and 3-4 TDs. I need a big fantasy week and I have to take risks. Rivers seems a little banged up and playing against a defense than gave Peyton fits. But then Ryan has been inconsistent for about 6 weeks now, his OLine sucks, and his defense may have a hard time getting off the field.
Giants def game plane for this week  
superspynyg : 11/20/2014 8:51 am : link
everyone cover Murray!! I don't care about the rest. I need to stop Murray!!
Sorry Start Rivers  
superspynyg : 11/20/2014 8:52 am : link
McCoy and Jennings. No to Watkins
I'd wait on Watkins.  
arcarsenal : 11/20/2014 8:52 am : link
See how that situation unfolds with the stadium.. as long as it doesn't look awful, I'd still use him.

I'd go McCoy and Robinson for your RB's.

It sounds like Jeremy Hill is the lead back in CIN even with Bernard coming back at least until Bernard is 100% again. I'm starting to wonder if I should start him again this week over Miller.
And I just don't like Ryan as a fantasy QB.  
arcarsenal : 11/20/2014 8:55 am : link
If you're looking for the "boom" play, go with the guy who has thrown 3 TD passes in 5 different games this year. I know you hate Rivers but Ryan hasn't had one "big" fantasy day since September 28th against Minnesota. It is now almost December.
RE: And I just don't like Ryan as a fantasy QB.  
dep026 : 11/20/2014 9:04 am : link
In comment 11989577 arcarsenal said:
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If you're looking for the "boom" play, go with the guy who has thrown 3 TD passes in 5 different games this year. I know you hate Rivers but Ryan hasn't had one "big" fantasy day since September 28th against Minnesota. It is now almost December.


It has nothing to do with hating Rivers..... if I hated him, I wouldnt have drafted him and played him every week haha. But this is legitimately worry about his ribs. He looked really bad last week and had even less zip on the ball than usual. And even considering that, Ryan hasnt been good either. But I am hoping that now that they have the division lead, there might a sign they will play better.
no idea why but Fleener was a FA in my league  
UConn4523 : 11/20/2014 9:06 am : link
and dropped Reed for him. Starting Fleener over Rivera is clearly the right move, right?
Fleener is still a FA in my league  
pjcas18 : 11/20/2014 9:10 am : link
I think Allen gets more targets, doesn't he? Just my perception?

I'm looking for some TE alternate options in case Julius Thomas can't go and Fleener is one I'm considering.
I picked up Fleener,  
kmed : 11/20/2014 9:12 am : link
but only because Allen looks to be out this week. He's been getting a lot of targets lately.

RE: Hill and Bernard....

My worst nightmare, the injury gave Hill a chance to showcase(against some of the worst defenses no less) and now they will split snaps a bit. I'd guess Bernard still gets more snaps, maybe 60/40 and Bernard is still extremely valuable because he will catch the ball and they will create opps for him. I'm not sure Hill will get more than 12-15 carries and possibly some goalline work.
They do have the division lead..  
arcarsenal : 11/20/2014 9:13 am : link
But they're 4-6 and they suck. Your mind is pretty much made up on Ryan so you might as well live and die with him this week.
yeah  
UConn4523 : 11/20/2014 9:14 am : link
Allen needs to be out for me to start Fleener but with Rivera playing tonight its certainly a risk. I don't think Rivera has the upside Fleener does so I guess i'm going to roll the dice.
kmed.. I would have assumed the same..  
arcarsenal : 11/20/2014 9:14 am : link
But I saw this this morning which made me re-consider leaving Hill on my bench..

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Bengals.com's Geoff Hobson expects Jeremy Hill to handle "the bulk of the carries until (Gio) Bernard’s hip and shoulder click back into place."
Advice: Playcaller Hue Jackson isn't naming a Week 12 starter, which leaves the door open for Hill to take over as the Bengals' primary runner, even with Bernard all set to play against the Texans. "I think my concern is keeping him healthy,’ Jackson said of Bernard, who missed the last three games. Asked if Hill has earned a bigger role, Jackson replied "I think he deserves it. ... I think Jeremy has done a tremendous job and he earns the right to play, there's no question about that. But it's always good to have two really good runners." Expect Hill to lead the Bengals in carries against Houston, and possibly carry the bulk of the workload the rest of the way. In fantasy, he's a borderline RB1.
I'd roll with Fleener  
GIANTSr01 : 11/20/2014 9:18 am : link
back-to-back big games (granted 1 was against the Giants LB/S...) and finally a game where he got enough targets/yards to put up points without a TD.

Need to start 3 of these 4:
Green (@HOU) - lock
Beckham (DAL)
Gordon (@ATL) - likely to be limited
Sanders (MIA) - coming off concussion

Non-PPR. Granted it's a moot point if Sanders can't go.
Beckham against Dallas  
UConn4523 : 11/20/2014 9:40 am : link
is a really nice matchup. I'm starting him, Green, and Gordon I guess as I don't really like these concussion scenarios. Sanders can just as easily have a huge game as getting hit again and leaving the game.
RE: They do have the division lead..  
dep026 : 11/20/2014 9:46 am : link
In comment 11989621 arcarsenal said:
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But they're 4-6 and they suck. Your mind is pretty much made up on Ryan so you might as well live and die with him this week.


Actually as of now I have Rivers in. I am really torn about this decision.

And can I assume Foster will be good to go this week?
I think Foster will  
pjcas18 : 11/20/2014 9:56 am : link
play, but split carries with Blue, from what I read.
OP slot (pick one)  
MetsAreBack : 11/20/2014 10:49 am : link
1. Mark Sanchez (TEN actually has a decent pass defense, and Butt Fumble just isnt very good ... sorry Eagles fans)

2. Denard Robinson - actually this kid can play, but Colts probably blow them out and will be embarrassed coming off Gray's performance

3. Matt Ryan - can this guy even be counted on in the Georgia Dome anymore?
.  
arcarsenal : 11/20/2014 10:59 am : link
I'd probably go with Denard, honestly. He's been on fire and the Colts just got absolutely steamrolled by Gray on the ground. Robinson will get his.
That's the way i was leaning. Thanks.  
MetsAreBack : 11/20/2014 11:05 am : link
Only reason I'm considering Matty Ice too is i'm facing him in my other league. Something of a hedge.
Is it PPR  
dep026 : 11/20/2014 11:18 am : link
I am shocked Robinson isnt used more in the passing game cause he works well in space.

I would use Sanchez personally because Chip loves to throw. Even last week when Sanchez had 4 TOs, he still put up good fantasy numbers.
thoughts on this trade?  
GIANTSr01 : 11/20/2014 11:29 am : link
Jennings/Cobb for Luck. Non-ppr, RB/WR scoring is standard. QBs get 4 pts/TD, 1 pt/20 yards, and only -1/INT.

I was starting Kapernick at QB and the rest of my roster is (10 team league):
RBs: Lynch, T Richardson, McFadden
WRs: Cobb, AJ Green, E Sanders, Beckham, Josh Gordon (can only start 3)
TE: Fleener

Not thrilled about giving up Jennings with my RB depth, but had a glut at WR and the improvement from CK to Luck is too much (Luck's scored 100+ more points to date).
I'd do that deal in a heartbeat  
Strahan91 : 11/20/2014 12:23 pm : link
Jennings isn't exactly Demarco Murray
Ugh.... lineup dilemmas. I hate them because I know whatever I pick  
BeerFridge : 11/20/2014 12:39 pm : link
will be wrong.

Playoffs basically start this week.

Need 3 of these:

Foster
Ingram
Gore
CJ Anderson
Alshon Jeffrey
Mike Evans


Normally Foster would be a no brainer, but stupid O'Brien is saying he will probably split carries with Blue.
@Beerfridge  
ojeda26 : 11/20/2014 1:15 pm : link
I would go Ingram, Evans and Jeffrey

Pick 3. Non ppr
Julie Jones vs CLE
Emmanuel Sanders vs MIA
Alshon Jeffrey vs TB
Brandon Marshall vs TB
Josh Gordon @ ATL
RE: kmed.. I would have assumed the same..  
kmed : 11/20/2014 1:15 pm : link
In comment 11989630 arcarsenal said:
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But I saw this this morning which made me re-consider leaving Hill on my bench..



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Bengals.com's Geoff Hobson expects Jeremy Hill to handle "the bulk of the carries until (Gio) Bernard’s hip and shoulder click back into place."
Advice: Playcaller Hue Jackson isn't naming a Week 12 starter, which leaves the door open for Hill to take over as the Bengals' primary runner, even with Bernard all set to play against the Texans. "I think my concern is keeping him healthy,’ Jackson said of Bernard, who missed the last three games. Asked if Hill has earned a bigger role, Jackson replied "I think he deserves it. ... I think Jeremy has done a tremendous job and he earns the right to play, there's no question about that. But it's always good to have two really good runners." Expect Hill to lead the Bengals in carries against Houston, and possibly carry the bulk of the workload the rest of the way. In fantasy, he's a borderline RB1.



Yeah I saw this too, but you need to be careful when they are quoting writers opinions. It's not like it's the coaches saying it. It's no different than before the season when all the writers were saying Hill is going to be splitting 50/50 and then Bernard ended up getting 90% of the snaps. Obviously things have changed because Bernard has been beaten up a lot and Hill has feasted off of garbage defenses, but Hill isn't taking over as the #1 guy. He will eat into Bernards production a bit, but not nearly as much as this dude is suggesting, IMO. I see Hill as a low end RB2/Flex play for now.
RE: thoughts on this trade?  
Sly Guy : 11/20/2014 2:14 pm : link
In comment 11989944 GIANTSr01 said:
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Jennings/Cobb for Luck. Non-ppr, RB/WR scoring is standard. QBs get 4 pts/TD, 1 pt/20 yards, and only -1/INT.

I was starting Kapernick at QB and the rest of my roster is (10 team league):
RBs: Lynch, T Richardson, McFadden
WRs: Cobb, AJ Green, E Sanders, Beckham, Josh Gordon (can only start 3)
TE: Fleener

Not thrilled about giving up Jennings with my RB depth, but had a glut at WR and the improvement from CK to Luck is too much (Luck's scored 100+ more points to date).


Excellent excellent trade.



Did I mention that it was an excellent trade for you?
RE: RE: kmed.. I would have assumed the same..  
arcarsenal : 11/20/2014 2:25 pm : link
In comment 11990176 kmed said:
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In comment 11989630 arcarsenal said:


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But I saw this this morning which made me re-consider leaving Hill on my bench..



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Bengals.com's Geoff Hobson expects Jeremy Hill to handle "the bulk of the carries until (Gio) Bernard’s hip and shoulder click back into place."
Advice: Playcaller Hue Jackson isn't naming a Week 12 starter, which leaves the door open for Hill to take over as the Bengals' primary runner, even with Bernard all set to play against the Texans. "I think my concern is keeping him healthy,’ Jackson said of Bernard, who missed the last three games. Asked if Hill has earned a bigger role, Jackson replied "I think he deserves it. ... I think Jeremy has done a tremendous job and he earns the right to play, there's no question about that. But it's always good to have two really good runners." Expect Hill to lead the Bengals in carries against Houston, and possibly carry the bulk of the workload the rest of the way. In fantasy, he's a borderline RB1.





Yeah I saw this too, but you need to be careful when they are quoting writers opinions. It's not like it's the coaches saying it. It's no different than before the season when all the writers were saying Hill is going to be splitting 50/50 and then Bernard ended up getting 90% of the snaps. Obviously things have changed because Bernard has been beaten up a lot and Hill has feasted off of garbage defenses, but Hill isn't taking over as the #1 guy. He will eat into Bernards production a bit, but not nearly as much as this dude is suggesting, IMO. I see Hill as a low end RB2/Flex play for now.


The writers opinion portion was mostly a throwaway for me, I was focusing more on Hue saying that Hill "earned" more of a role. And I do think it's different than what people said before the year because Hill was still an unknown quantity and Gio was 100%. Those things have both changed. Regardless of opposing D's, Hill has run for a buck fifty+ in 2 of his last 3 games and has basically thrived any time he's been called upon.

I don't think it's his job now but I do think it'll be much closer to 50/50 and I'd even be willing to bet that Hill gets a few more carries for right now until Gio looks healthy again. I could absolutely see a 55-60/45-40 type split off the bat and they'll probably ride the hot hand.

In fantasy terms, I agree Hill isn't going to be a legit RB1 now with Gio back, but I do think he could be a solid RB2 option.
RB slots pick two...  
BigBlue1092 : 11/20/2014 2:26 pm : link
Gray, J Bell, Tre Mason
RE: RB slots pick two...  
Sly Guy : 11/20/2014 2:35 pm : link
In comment 11990302 BigBlue1092 said:
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Gray, J Bell, Tre Mason


Tough decision. I'd go Gray and Bell because they will be in the red zone more often.
I need to pick up a kicker  
Sly Guy : 11/20/2014 2:41 pm : link

And I hate to drop AP for one. Any one else I can drop?

12-team Standard league:

My 7-4 Team
RE: RB slots pick two...  
YAJ2112 : 11/20/2014 4:06 pm : link
In comment 11990302 BigBlue1092 said:
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Gray, J Bell, Tre Mason


I'd go Bell and Mason. Detroit's run D is stout, this seems like it's more of a Vereen week than a Gray week.
Ball and Mason here too  
UConn4523 : 11/20/2014 4:31 pm : link
Mason has been getting all the touches and who knows how the Pats will gameplan against Detroits run D. Blount me even have a role.
RE: I need to pick up a kicker  
UConn4523 : 11/20/2014 4:31 pm : link
In comment 11990327 Sly Guy said:
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And I hate to drop AP for one. Any one else I can drop?

12-team Standard league:

My 7-4 Team


Why, AP won't play this year...
Update on Bernard/Hill  
kmed : 11/20/2014 4:49 pm : link

Giovani Bernard (hip) was upgraded to "full" in Thursday's practice.

According to ESPN's Coley Harvey, Bernard was "was back at No. 1 (duty) during open portion of practice." Bernard is perhaps fantasy's biggest wild card for Week 12, but it's beginning to appear as if he'll be returning to a workload resembling the one he was handling before going down. We still expect Jeremy Hill to maintain a bigger role on early downs, however. With the situation uncertain, both backs can be utilized as RB2s for Week 12.



I can't imagine they are going to keep the split how it was pre-injury as Bernard got 90% of the snaps. I do think Hill has earned more touches and will see the field more. I do however believe that Bernard is still the #1 guy in teh backfield and he will play more snaps than Hill. Time will tell though.
I had the BUF D/ST plugged in for this weekend..  
arcarsenal : 11/20/2014 5:09 pm : link
But now that game is canceled.

Should I roll with GB vs. MIN or IND vs. JAX?

I guess anyone who is playing the Jags is a good defense to use but the Packer D/ST is on fire right now and the Viking offense fucking blows too
the game is cancelled?  
UConn4523 : 11/20/2014 5:17 pm : link
i thought they were just moving it to monday?
Yeah where are you seeing that the game  
kmed : 11/20/2014 5:19 pm : link
is cancelled?
They said on the news the game was "postponed"  
arcarsenal : 11/20/2014 5:21 pm : link
I was assuming it was legit.. maybe not.

Hopefully they play, I'd love to use the Bills defense against the shitty Jets.
Either way, it's not being played in Buffalo.  
arcarsenal : 11/20/2014 5:22 pm : link
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Link - ( New Window )
apparently its monday night  
UConn4523 : 11/20/2014 5:22 pm : link
in DC or Detroit. Plus I think the game would count for this week regardless of when its played.
I can't imagine they will just cancel that game.  
kmed : 11/20/2014 5:23 pm : link
They can move it to Monday night. Its supposed to really warm up this weekend so a few days of sun should take about 4 feet of snow off the top and just leave another 6 feet to be shoveled. BFD.
Guys, any thoughts ...  
Stufftherun : 11/20/2014 5:24 pm : link
Have Tre Mason and Murray going with Jennings sitting. Not sure a legit argument can be made for starting Jennings.

Picked up Flacco for the hell of it and that's to go along with what I already have in Rivers and Stafford. As of today, I've got Rivers starting and have been riding him most of the way but have concerns over him being banged up, not performing particularly well of late and going up against what can be a pain in the ass D.

Stafford, I believe, will have difficulty with New England's D especially with Revis doing his thing. Don't think the weather will play much of a role but can't discount a dome team playing outside this time of year.

Considering starting Flacco against a less than average D in what could be a track meet not to mention the dome which has special meaning to him going back to the Super Bowl.

Sitting Fitzgerald in favor of John Brown along with Mike Evans, OBJ, J. Matthews. Just picked up Fleener today and dumped Witten. I know, curious time to let Witten go when he's lit us up like a Xmas tree but he hasn't gotten the usual targets.

i'd be surprised if the game was cancelled...  
MetsAreBack : 11/20/2014 5:27 pm : link
i bet they play it monday or tuesday night. Otherwise that's a lot of money to refund and the NFL is not a fan of that.

Beerfridge above - maybe I'm the only one, but I think Ingram is a disaster this week. His YPC has stunk the last 3 weeks and he's now facing the #1 run defense in the league. I suppose he could punch one in, but IMO he's really wasted his opportunity the past month to become a feature back.

Personally I'm tempted to go with Mason over him based on opponents, but since every site has Ingram in their top 10, i guess i'll just roll with him one more week, but you cant help but be disappointed that he hasnt done more with what was a golden opportunity.
Never in a million years would I start Mason over Jennings.  
kmed : 11/20/2014 5:29 pm : link
Jennings will get 90% of the touches and goalline work. Add to that Dallas has a bad run defense and I don't see why you think that's such a no brainer.
Didn't Ingram rush for like 130 yards against SF 2 weeks ago?  
arcarsenal : 11/20/2014 5:30 pm : link
He had three 100 yard games in a row and was closer to 200 against GB. I'm not really sure he's wasted his opportunity. He's been pretty darn good, IMO. He didn't do a ton vs. CIN, but..
RE: Never in a million years would I start Mason over Jennings.  
Stufftherun : 11/20/2014 5:49 pm : link
In comment 11990732 kmed said:
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Jennings will get 90% of the touches and goalline work. Add to that Dallas has a bad run defense and I don't see why you think that's such a no brainer.


Never said it was a "no brainer" in fact I was asking for a good argument to start Jennings. I think we all know what a disaster the Giants OLine and run blocking has been not to mention Jennings has only been back one week. It's really less about the Dallas D and more an indictment of the Giants OLine.
dep  
YAJ2112 : 11/20/2014 5:57 pm : link
I would start Ryan over Rivers this week.
the Ingram assessment is way off  
UConn4523 : 11/20/2014 6:08 pm : link
his last 4 games have been 67 yards vs Bengals, 120 vs. 49ers, 100 vs. Panthers, and 170 vs. Packers.

He had a bad game against a decent run D in Cincy, and the whole offense sucked that day. Ingram has been great this year outside of the fluke hand injury.
Would you start mychal rivera  
CruzShip52 : 11/20/2014 6:46 pm : link
Tonight?

I don't have a backup but there are plenty on waivers.. Clay Daniels
Didn't see a thread for today  
pjcas18 : 11/21/2014 8:30 pm : link
was there one?

In any event it sounds like both Arian Foster and Julius Thomas are out. That is terrible for my team.

Who would you start at RB in place of Foster at Flex?

Denard Robinson vs IND
Ryan Mathews vs STL
Kenny Stills vs BAL

have Robinson in now
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