"We just didn't have enough good players"
I agree with him.
When your #1 WR in Nicks , who changed the way defenses play you , gets injured.
You decide not to resign Manningham as your #3 WR, and you lose Steve Smith to career ending injury.
You decide not to resign your starting Tight End in Bennett , and have no replacement on the team.
Finally your LT Beatty in 2013 was downright awful , but in 2014 has rebounded nicely.
That is a recipe for disaster.
However I feel in 2014 there are some good players in place , Like Beckham, Cruz, Donnell , Beatty , Pugh, and Randle.
I think a few more good drafts can get this team competitive again.
Your thoughts?
no OL for the deep passing attack they tried to run, nor for the run blocking that Coughlin insists on.
Nicks should have been benched... but Jernigan obviously is not going to replace him and Randle clearly cannot win battles the way Nicks did for most of his Giants career.
Our RB core was a DISGRACE. How they thought that group of guys would contribute to a winning NFL team - I have no idea.
The TE move - it became very apparent that cap management shot us in the foot with this bargain basement deal after Marty Bennett was let walk. Huge mistake there.
I also think the O could have been tweaked/fixed with KG still here.
I don't know, Joey. If he added an "e" he wouldn't have been far off.
I just wanted to make the RB corpse joke.
Last year, he didn't have the OL (something he was apparently lobbying for in terms of improvement) or enough at skill positions. That said, he also stubbornly stuck with the gameplan and scheme that required better blocking and better WRs.
I think Eli can be far better in this one if we can actually put a line in front of him. Though I am not really sure what offense we are even running at this point. It's starting to look like the same one we ran before McAdoo was here again which is leading me to believe there's a bit of a philosophical disconnect between Ben and TC.
The only thing I can say in defense of Gilbride's offense, is that while Eli may come to succeed in a west coast offense, it often is painful watching him try to perform in it. His natural physical abilities make it somewhat like pounding a square peg in a round hole. He's a natural long ball QB, and that's Gilbride's offense.
I was defending him last year and pointed to the lack of talent.
I have defended him many times over the last couple of years. Again, while I would question a couple of calls a game, outside of last year, I thought it was very difficult to question his gameplanning, playcalling, or preparation when the team was scoring at historic rates for the franchise.
Yes.
That being said, he had a lot of tendencies that I didn't like, and I thought we could do better at OC than him. Whether last year was his fault or not, getting new blood in that position was a good thing. Right now, it looks like there's too many personnel issues to really judge McCadoo either.
He 'retired' because no team in the world wanted him.
And that's a reflection of the General Manager and his draft team. They were and still are the biggest problem BY FAR.
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Gilbride sure talks enough shit.
He 'retired' because no team in the world wanted him.
No one wants you, but you refuse to leave.
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quite a bit. Best time to try it. How is it working out for them? Same vertical offense that the Giants used to run. As for the change, the Giants lost a lot when they fired Gilbride. McAdoo is promising but calling plays he's greener than Baby crap. It's a stay-on-schedule offense: 4 yards on first 3 on second. Convert on third. But they can't survive a minus play or penalty. Kevin was good at dealing with that. Finally, good defenses do not allow the short-passing game against teams with crud o-lines like the Giants. We went over that adnauseum last season. It is refreshing to see Gilbride's reputation restored somewhat. At least by the honest among his critics have relented to a degree. Guy is an offensive genius who walked the plank for the professional ineptitude of others,
+1. Incredibly, there are still "magic scheme" folks here who think there is some magic scheme that makes everything better. As you have pointed out, we won 4 Super Bowls with that vertical offense.
No, we won 2 SBs with that vertical offense. That is nowhere near the vertical offense the Giants ran under Parcells
Whose fault? The guy who "retired"? Nah, the R & R guys for their incompetence.
Shame on Reese and Ross for failing to put an adequate OL in front of Eli. What a tremendous waste of Eli's talents because of R & R. John Mara: Please!!! The FO is "broken" so please ask R & R to F. Off!!
Coach the players you have.
There are certainly drafting issues in the front office yet Gilbride isn't exactly innocent.
1. The monotony of calling the same plays in the same situations made it easy for the fans to call out the play prior to the snap. Andy Reid looked like he had the Giants playbook most games. The whole stadium was yelling "Omaha . . . inside handoff" so that's not on the players.
2. If you don't have enough practice time to educate the receivers about the offense (running the wrong patterns), simplify the offense.
Gilbride's comments appear to take no responsibility for failures including monotonous play calling and the inability to get the play called into the QB on time. Really? Take some ownership.
He did not talk any shit, in fact his interviews are awesome.
They kept mentioning NBC sports, when is he on? Gilbride's interviews were always very informative and I would love to see if his analysis of the NFL is as interesting. Certainly has to be better than 99% of the crap out there.
The team sucked last year. He says it in the interview. There was a revolving door at tailback and the O line, how can you operate a pro offense like that?
I could never criticize Gilbride after 2011. I mean the Giants had comeback after comeback, throwing the ball downfield for big plays when everyone in the stadium knew the Giants had to pass and score quick. That is incredible and a big part of that was his batten down the hatches aggressive down the field scheme. He was paired with the perfect QB and they reached their peak in 2011. I have my doubts the system the Giants run now, which by my amateur analysis seems predicated on quick hits and run after the catch, could have pulled off the 2011 run.
Maybe the parts using it weren't very good.
Well, they worked just fine when we had Tiki running them, or Jacobs/Bradshaw in their prime behind a healthy O-Line
Greg, I was thinking about that season and then realized the following:
Bradshaw was playing on one good leg. Brown, who was a surprise to all of us, gets hurt in the Packers game and is lost for the season. In the biggest game of the season in Atlanta where the whole year spiraled, Kregg Lumpkin was playing nearly 1/2 of the snaps at running back along with Wilson, who as we found out later, wasn't ready yet.
Nicks was still hurt and not a matchup problem for opponents. Hixon didn't bring much to the table on offense leaving Cruz to fend for himself.
The weapons were simply not there. The o-line also had a number of terrible performances. We just kind a swept it under the rug at the time. Also, Manning on his own, was not good either it was because of an injury that was speculated about from the middle of the season on or not.
So there were a lot of moving parts in that 2nd half of the season where I look back now and understand whey they struggled in some spots they did. The wins they got were against terrible defenses and they put up big points.
What's with all the Mara hate? Its not like the franchise has won 4 Super Bowls or anything.
Coach the players you have.
And do what exactly?
When the opponent notices this and adjusts to taking away short throws because they have ZERO fear of you going downfield because you can't protect the QB at all, what do you want to do to counter? This isn't Madden on XBOX.
There is no magic elixir for poor talent. None. They had none of it last year. The QB was pressured on 38% of his throws, the 2nd highest rate in the NFL.
Explain how any coaching staff can adjust to that when their QB is under duress nearly 1 of out every 2 plays?
The offense was always boom or bust. Even when things were going well Eli lead the league 2 other times, not including last year, in INTs.
It was an offense that attacked down field with routes associated with 5 and 7 step drops. True, we lacked personnel, but we didn't make adjustments until 4-6 games in. I can't remember what exact game until we saw more 3 step drops .
Add bad play, poodecisions by Eli, bad WR play, usual miscommunication and terrible OB play, pass blocking and run blocking, and it was an epic shit show.
Our RB, WR, and TE were useless.
Look at josh mcdaniels in New England
Was it broke yes but he fixed it and as far as talent goes besides Gronk and Brady they have shit for talent
It doesn't matter if the offense was "broken" or it was the complexity involved (very likely imo), it was time to turn the page. They should've swapped out PF as well, these half solutions are really annoying as we watch the seasons tick by.
The line was broken, so the long ball was not possible. Nicks didn't give a shyte, because he was broken.
Yes Kevin, spin it anyway you want, but the offense didn't work, so it was broken.
The New England patriots have an unbelievable o line , I think 2-3 picks are 1st rd talent on there line. So they may not have these talented WR's but that o line gives u time for Brady to spread the ball.
When the opponent notices this and adjusts to taking away short throws because they have ZERO fear of you going downfield because you can't protect the QB at all, what do you want to do to counter? This isn't Madden on XBOX.
There is no magic elixir for poor talent. None. They had none of it last year. The QB was pressured on 38% of his throws, the 2nd highest rate in the NFL.
Explain how any coaching staff can adjust to that when their QB is under duress nearly 1 of out every 2 plays?
That was his job, not mine. But if it were me, and my QB was getting pressured every other play, I'd probably move away from calling pass plays that require 7-step drops and precise downfield reads by the WRs.
Then again, I'm not the kind of guy who likes to bash my head against the wall over and over again when I know it hurts.
For the record, I'm not sure there was a solution, but doing the same thing over and over despite the awful results is moronic.