One of the reasons we stink that may be overlooked or under discussed is who we hold on to and let go of based on Jerry's evaluation of his players.
Someone mentioned the letting go of Martellus Bennett and the one year stop gap of that horrible TE who shall not be named here. Bennett was a tremendous blocker, asset in the red zone, downfield target and someone who while odd, was a competitor. Losing a TE of his caliber definitely hurt the running game and passing game last year. But why? Was he paid way too much? In this day and age, I say no but we opted to let him walk and I think the JPP of TEs is why.
We have Jerrell Jernigan who sees no time, then has a mini revival last year down the stretch, the owner mentions him specifically and his role again this year seemed to be minimal before his injury. He was a great PR and multi dimensional threat and wasn't given a chance to do that here consistently. Why?
Jayron Hosley, who Reese called "athletically arrogant" was another Reese favorite who I assume was counted on to bolster the return game, again a dynamic return guy who was never used that way. Why?
Not so much this year, but James Brewer is another Reese guy who he has talked up as being talented and underutilized. He fit the bill on paper and in the weight room but he's not developing and quite frankly a big letdown. Yet Reese has up until this season beaten the drum for him and he sees no field. Why?
Why do we keep looking for big pass rushing OLBs like Sintim, Schofield and Kennard when we run essentially a modified and horribly managed Tampa 2? The defensive system is NOT being stocked with the types of players it needs to be good. I'm sure Fewell has no clue what type of players he needs or is too stupid to ask for them, whatever the case a Sintim, Schofield and Kennard are NOT ideal fits for this scheme. I like Kennard, I think he may be a solid player but he's not the speedy rangy LB this type of 4-3 needs. If it was the Spags type of 4-3 over, then sure he fits perfectly but this is a different system and it's not being maximized from a talent standpoint. Why?
So we see a drop off in OL, TE, WR and we have a horrific return game now that David Wilson is gone. My belief is that in FA Reese assumes his hand picked guys will step up and when they don't this is what we get. Is he potentially counting on players who TC has no or little use for? Is he picking players that I'm sure TC "likes" on draft day but maybe aren't his type of players? Go look at TC's draft record in Jax, and what type of OL and DL he built and no way no how do we pick a Justin Pugh if TC is in charge.
We stick to the board and Coughlin is given what he's given and when the guys don't pan out, how much of that is a mistaken belief by Reese in "his guys"? The JPP of tight ends???? Adrien Robinson is a dud, a total dud as is Hosley, Jernigan, Brewer, all picks who SHOULD be the solid veteran contributors that give a team solid starters and depth. Yet none are even close to that and they are essentially taking up roster space and possibly clouding what Reese considers to be need areas.
It's something I've sensed or wondered about for a few years when Reese makes his bland annual state of how smart I am conferences. I think he believes in his players and his system and something is just off between him and TC philosophically. Not that they don't work well together, they have two trophies but I sense there is something not quite right there in terms of philosophy.
They're just not good NFL-level players.
Reese drafts for the NFL today something Tom and staff don't seem to want to coach.
It's an honest question because I really don't know how much of a hand Reese had in specifically picking some of these players.
Bingo!
Sintim just sucked. He would have been shitty even as a 3-4 OLB I think. And the fact that he never caught on anywhere or did anything post-NYG tells me we just drafted a bust in that spot and burned a pick.
Can you imagine what the results would have been had we been playing someone with a serious QB?
"Testify?"
"No chance in hell. I'll end up in Oakland or worse. You too."
TC has had plenty of opportunity to abandon ship if he didn't like the way things were run. Reese has had plenty of opportunity to jettison TC if he didn't like the coaching.
Personally, I think it's a multiple combination of factors, not a black/white Tom or Jerry situation. If I had to guess, I'd put the blame 33 % on Jerry, 33 % on Tom, and 34 % miscellaneous (I do think Chris and John do a bit of meddling, and there are others in the org besides just Tom and Jerry).
we cannot expect mcclain, kennard, herzlich to handle those duties. we cannot expect j-will at 220# and afraid of contact to play linebacker. and we go YEARS without doing a damn thing about it when every fan, commentator and opponent is drooling at the middle of the field.
andy reid abused our undermanned lb's for years on end, with no counter punch.
He's trying to save his job but it's too late at this point. I just hope the next guy gets a couple of decent LB's to work with because lord knows outside of a half season of Jon Beason, Fewell certainly didn't.
Bennett signed for 20 million with the Bears, way out of the Giants price range. If the Giants had more money, they would have matched that offer.
Ultimately, they didn't value B high enough to warrant paying him, but they could have afforded him if they had wanted him. They simply didn't want to allocate that kind of money for a TE.
Myers was given a "4" year contract which was really a 1 year deal at a low cap number with an option for the other 3 years that we all knew would never be picked up.
Reese did not just let Bennett go, he simply could not afford him.
They are ALL Reese guys. He is the GM. He is responsible for his staff and has the power to overrule them. The buck stops here. Or there.
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Good question. It is Reese's system though, he developed it, it's his formulaic they use in what they can and cannot select.
They are ALL Reese guys. He is the GM. He is responsible for his staff and has the power to overrule them. The buck stops here. Or there.
Ok, so what is Marc Ross' job then? He had nothing to do with drafting any of the players taken since he's been here?
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Good question. It is Reese's system though, he developed it, it's his formulaic they use in what they can and cannot select.
They are ALL Reese guys. He is the GM. He is responsible for his staff and has the power to overrule them. The buck stops here. Or there.
Ok, so what is Marc Ross' job then? He had nothing to do with drafting any of the players taken since he's been here?
Obviously he does, but as in any business, the top man is responsible. Reese obviously approves of the job Ross has done or he wouldn't be here. Like any other business, the head man is responsible. If his underlings aren't up to snuff then he has the responsibility to replace them.
That's a moronic comment arc. If you don't understand that a boss is responsible for the performance of his underlings or the difference between ownership and management then I hope you are independently wealthy. I'd be surprised if Mara/Tisch aren't at least discussing Reese's performance or lack thereof.
I can promise you that much. If you think otherwise, you're a fool.
I can promise you that much. If you think otherwise, you're a fool.
You're probably right, but good organizations always plan ahead. And if they get clobbered in a building filled with Dallas fans on national TV Sunday night and play to a half empty or worse stadium in December, you can bet that Reese and everybody else will be called on the carpet.
The LB is just a mystery - how can we not draft one consistent quality starter since the 90s? Not an all pro, just someone who can be counted to come in and do their job.
Did anyone watch the Pats run between the T's the other night with highly regarded R 4th rd C, 6th RD G and UDFA G.
Are other coaches going to sit there and watch an unproductive Kiwi, while having his eventual replacement on the bench.
Reese has brought in a 1, 2, 2, 4, 4, 5 & 7 on OL, plus the FA. None of them can be good. When it is clear that Jerry is not the answer at G, why not see if Mosley is a player.
They sign the best FA G whose best position is RG, and the coaching staff thinks that Snee was the answer and then put Jerry there. Did Reese tell the coaching staff to move Kiwi to LB
Is Reese the one teaching the OL for another year to not figure out how to block a stunt. Is Reese teaching the DE & LB's to continuously crash the ends. Why another year of mis-communication in the secondary, when there are talented players.
We have heard from coaches that Robinson is very athletic - yet there are no signs of him anywhere on the field. Week after week teams are using multiple TE sets with no name players. Can't we at least see him run a route down the hash marks - 1 time.
The new CBA allows limited practice, but also only allows your non first picks only 4 year contracts. When you can, you have to play guys to see what they do on the field.
Yes Sintim was a bad pick for the system and Austin was a huge gamble. Yes he does not value LB's as much as other positions. At some point, the coaching staff needs to answer to some of this
Hmm...
What they did at TE was infuriating. We let Marty B go, hand the keys over to an h-back and 4th round project who never caught a ball in his life (keep in mind, some teams draft TEs in the 4th round that contribute right away). We drop the H-back after a terrible season, sign some more cast-offs and roll the dice again. It's panned out so far this season, but when you do this you are pretty much forcing Coughlin to play someone still fairly green. The byproduct of that are rookie mistakes, like Donnell's 3 lost fumbles. It's almost unfair that's what they have to rely on.
Jernigan blows.
I was thinking about that (and noted your old posts) after we did the same shit vs. Seattle this year.
It has to be by design, doesn't it? (Stupid design, but design nonetheless.)
As for your current post - I think there is always some tension between GMs and coaches, especially on struggling teams. I mean, you have Tuna's whining about buying groceries if he has to cook the meal, for example. I'm sure there are people Reese thinks could be used better, and people coaches would have preferred.
That said, I think our entire philosophy on LBs is jacked. Going back to EA and his whole philosophy of "impact positions" of which LB was not one. I think it sure as hell can be, even in a 4-3. Look at how Kawika Mitchell secured the middle of the D and had some critical blitzes in the playoffs (like his fake retreat blitz). I think Fewell has no idea how to run stunts and games that might FREE a freaking LB to get pressure. Seattle is running 3 guys into the same hole. We run a guy into a wall never to be heard from again.
Did anyone watch the Pats run between the T's the other night with highly regarded R 4th rd C, 6th RD G and UDFA G.
Are other coaches going to sit there and watch an unproductive Kiwi, while having his eventual replacement on the bench.
Reese has brought in a 1, 2, 2, 4, 4, 5 & 7 on OL, plus the FA. None of them can be good. When it is clear that Jerry is not the answer at G, why not see if Mosley is a player.
They sign the best FA G whose best position is RG, and the coaching staff thinks that Snee was the answer and then put Jerry there. Did Reese tell the coaching staff to move Kiwi to LB
Is Reese the one teaching the OL for another year to not figure out how to block a stunt. Is Reese teaching the DE & LB's to continuously crash the ends. Why another year of mis-communication in the secondary, when there are talented players.
We have heard from coaches that Robinson is very athletic - yet there are no signs of him anywhere on the field. Week after week teams are using multiple TE sets with no name players. Can't we at least see him run a route down the hash marks - 1 time.
The new CBA allows limited practice, but also only allows your non first picks only 4 year contracts. When you can, you have to play guys to see what they do on the field.
Yes Sintim was a bad pick for the system and Austin was a huge gamble. Yes he does not value LB's as much as other positions. At some point, the coaching staff needs to answer to some of this
Totally agree with you. I can't understyand why Kiwi is still starting while Morre sitys on the bench. I guess TC doesnt realize this season is over.