Can the Giants part ways with Tom Coughlin and still retain Jerry Reese?
I do not think that they can part with one and not with the other.
It would appear that Coach Coughlin and General Manager Reese are linked in both their successes and their failures. If one has not succeeded then both have failed.
If Jerry Reese remained after Tom Coughlin departed it would give a mixed message to the organization. It would not signal a new regime, but it would be tweaking of the status quo. I think that the ambiguity due to an indecisive change would show a lack of leadership from the owners and would serve to perpetuate mediocre football.
What further complicates the issue is if Jerry Reese remained, is that he would be charged with the selection of a new head coach. The selection of a new coach is perhaps the most significant responsibility for a general manager.
In the event that the Giants do hire a new coach and Jerry Reese remains, what happens if the team does not show improvement next year and Reese has to go?
Now the Giants will have to find a successor for Jerry, but this will not be easy. The new general manager will be saddled with a lame duck head coach that was not his choice. This is what essentially happened with the Jets. John Idzik inherited Rex Ryan. Idzik and Ryan do not appear to be on the same page and the results for the Jets have not been favorable.I think that a general manager must select his own coach so that he can implement his image of the team.
I think that if the Giants choose to make a change, by parting ways with Coach Coughlin, then they have to make a clean break from the prior administration and part ways with Jerry Reese. I think that the Mara’s are aware of this dilemma and, therefore, they will not make any substantial changes again this year.
If the Giants retain Coach Coughlin what do the Giants do with Tom's contract? Do they allow him to coach out the last year or do they extend him?
I think that Giant fans can look forward to a new defensive coordinator, special teams coach,and hope for the best.
Also, Reese is much younger than Coughlin, which is a factor whether it should be or not. And Reese has been with the organization longer. He's family - even more so than Coughlin, who left for more than a decade.
I believe you can safely wager Reese and co will point to the injuries as a huge reason for the difficult season. Of course it's only one piece of the puzzle, but conservative and optimistic perspectives will typically win out, meaning Reese stays. I think it's better than 50/50 TC also stays, unless they've got his successor picked out (and I highly doubt it's McAdoo).
I think PF's a goner, it's time to rebuild and re-scheme the defensive side of the roster.
Fewell will certainly get fired barring some sort of dominant defensive resurgence (completely unlikely)
And if it gets ugly enough, McAdoo could be gone too.
Fewell will certainly get fired barring some sort of dominant defensive resurgence (completely unlikely)
And if it gets ugly enough, McAdoo could be gone too.
You know, I honestly believe Coughlin stays. I think, even if this season is a complete debacle, he comes back.
I agree Fewell goes but I don't think there will be any other changes(besides the occasional position coach moving on to another post). This is all just feeling but I believe it will play out.
I just question whether this makes sense. I do not believe that Reese has done enough in the last few years to distinguish himself as a general manager and to instill a sense of confidence in his ability to rebuild the franchise.
I fear that if the Giants will hire a new Head Coach, and despite that change, the results over the next couple of years will be similar to the past 5 years. Ultimately Reese would have to go.
If this were to happen it would be a disaster. The Giants would have to start over again in a year or two.
Right, because that formula worked so well with the offense
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I'm surprised people think there's such a good chance of Coughlin staying. I think unless we finish strong and get to at least 7-9, he's going to take the fall.
Fewell will certainly get fired barring some sort of dominant defensive resurgence (completely unlikely)
And if it gets ugly enough, McAdoo could be gone too.
You know, I honestly believe Coughlin stays. I think, even if this season is a complete debacle, he comes back.
I agree Fewell goes but I don't think there will be any other changes(besides the occasional position coach moving on to another post). This is all just feeling but I believe it will play out.
I honestly think THIS was Coughlin's "we'll give you another year to get the ship righted" year and so far, it is every bit as bad as last year. I don't think he's going to get another mulligan for this one if it continues down this path.
If we finish strong and win like 4 of 6 or whatever (can't see that happening) it's a different story and I think they'll let him hang his hat on that again and try to claim we're "building back up"
But if it keeps looking this rotten, they're going to have to do more than just shit can Fewell and they know that. It's going to be Coughlin who loses it.
And then the next HC will determine the fate of McAdoo.
This is a roster transformation in progress, any fan with a modicum of football sense saw it before the season began. Hiring new coaches, installing new systems, and reloading 40+ players takes time. 2-3 years to flip a team, and they still have a number of players that don't belong on an NFL roster.
I wouldnt be shocked if Coughlin is fired and Reese is allowed to pick his first HC...
Some posters have a lot of emotion when it comes to Coughlin and that prevents them from seeing this situation clearly.
TC is no different than any other coach.
This is a roster transformation in progress, any fan with a modicum of football sense saw it before the season began. Hiring new coaches, installing new systems, and reloading 40+ players takes time. 2-3 years to flip a team, and they still have a number of players that don't belong on an NFL roster.
I would have thought that anyone with a modicum of football sense knew that Fewell and the defense was as big a shitshow in the making last year as the offense was. So is the patient plan to get rid of Quinn in year 3?
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This is a roster transformation in progress, any fan with a modicum of football sense saw it before the season began. Hiring new coaches, installing new systems, and reloading 40+ players takes time. 2-3 years to flip a team, and they still have a number of players that don't belong on an NFL roster.
I would have thought that anyone with a modicum of football sense knew that Fewell and the defense was as big a shitshow in the making last year as the offense was. So is the patient plan to get rid of Quinn in year 3?
I knew, posted it a year ago, posted it earlier today in another thread. That said, they didn't swap out PF a year ago so there's no sense in looking back, imv. He'll be gone in a handful of weeks, and it will be all about 2015 and beyond.
I knew, posted it a year ago, posted it earlier today in another thread. That said, they didn't swap out PF a year ago so there's no sense in looking back, imv. He'll be gone in a handful of weeks, and it will be all about 2015 and beyond.
I hope you're right, Jon. I'm just not convinced at this point in time that there is a master plan in place.
Injuries, especially to a number of premium draft picks, have crushed the talent level of the starters. Too many swings and misses in rounds 3 and later have ruined the depth on the roster. Is it Ross' influence? Is it moreso the injuries? Probably both.
That's a lot to overcome, and the disconnect between player acquisition and who actually sees the field needs to be reviewed.
They're playing their arses off though in recent weeks, that reflects well on players and coaches, in general.
There should be no question, it's time for them to clear out their office's.
Agree with this.
He'll be afforded the opportunity to hire his own head coach before we move on to a new GM.
Fewell will certainly get fired barring some sort of dominant defensive resurgence (completely unlikely)
And if it gets ugly enough, McAdoo could be gone too.
Could see MacAdoo staying even if TC goes. I'd hire a D minded coach that won't interfere with the playcalling.
Yeah, no different than any other coach. Well, other than the two rings. See, in the history of the NFL, going back almost 100 years, there have only been 23 coaches who have won multiple championships (that counts Coaches like Lou Saban and Hank Stram from the AFL). Coughlin is one of the 23. That is 23 out of all of the head coach of all of the teams that have ever been in the NFL.
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I'm surprised people think there's such a good chance of Coughlin staying. I think unless we finish strong and get to at least 7-9, he's going to take the fall.
Fewell will certainly get fired barring some sort of dominant defensive resurgence (completely unlikely)
And if it gets ugly enough, McAdoo could be gone too.
Could see MacAdoo staying even if TC goes. I'd hire a D minded coach that won't interfere with the playcalling.
That would be really stupid. Very Jet like. If you hire a GM, you let him pick the HC, you let the HC pick the coordinators and staff.
Fewell to Head Coach.
This is a roster transformation in progress, any fan with a modicum of football sense saw it before the season began. Hiring new coaches, installing new systems, and reloading 40+ players takes time. 2-3 years to flip a team, and they still have a number of players that don't belong on an NFL roster.
The Giants don't have the nucleus of a playoff team. They have rebuild anyway.
I also think Mara will have a hard time firing Reese and I may get killed for this but part of the reason will be because he's black. Add in that he has been the GM for 2 title teams and it makes it even more difficult to fire him.
I also think Mara will have a hard time firing Reese and I may get killed for this but part of the reason will be because he's black. Add in that he has been the GM for 2 title teams and it makes it even more difficult to fire him.
Mook, I honestly don't think Mara thinks in terms of race. Black, white, yellow, etc etc etc..I believe he soley looks at the job performance of his employees. A mold of his father.