but frankly he has been as good as anyone on that OL. That's not to say he has been very good, but I'd rather let him play than put Adam Snyder in there.
First, they signed Schwartz to play RG and they have a terrible player currently at that position. The logical thing to do would be to play him there. Second, they have a RT in Brewer who they were, at least at one time, high on. Let him play RT. They can't possibly get worse play from him than they did from Brown last week. Lastly they drafted Richburg to be their OC and their current OC is playing awfully. Again, the logical thing to do would play Richburg at OC now. Personally, I don't think he has been all that bad at LG, so he is the odd choice to bench.
There are too many personnel moves which are completely indefensible, as Mook said. Our season in over and instead of playing young guys and building towards the future this is the type of stupidity we get.
Thanks for some great years Coach, but it's time to go.
the decisions made by the coaching staff this season are mind boggling
Although Walton has been less than stellar , he does seem to know the protections well, I recall a quote from another lineman supporting his understanding in this regard. Now if only he could learn to better handle A gap pressure....
Brewer should be given the shot at RT, in my opinion, but let's see how this works. The coaches watch practices, not us.
and neither one is replacing John Jerry? Hahaha. That speaks volumes about just how awful this line is. I love TC but he's done some weird shit with the OL over the years, making a horrid situation even worse at times. My fear all along is that Richburg would wind up on the bench.
Classic Coughlin, bench the rookie in favor of the vet
When saying this, but I dont hate this move. I would MUCH rather see what we have in someone else at RT then have Brown there. From what I recall, Schwartz was mentioned as someone that could play RT.
I am also a big Richburg fan as well, and while I like to see him keep playing, the fact of the matter is he has not been excellent at LG nor will he be playing there in the future. So throwing him out there for the sake of "experience" doesnt make a whole lot of sense since he is projected to be the starting C for a long time.
Again, I agree that Jerry sucks and probably shouldnt be playing, but im interested on seeing how Schwartz plays at RT.
to warrant consideration for a starting spot this year. Granted, he didn't have a great pre-season. But, then again, neither did anyone ahead of him on the depth chart.
The injury situation has to be more than what we know.
John 'The Sieve' Jerry?
Is this any way a 'financial' move? Player contract bonus? Option clause? etc?
Nothing like taking out your 'ok' ROOKIE 2nd rd pick and leaving in your 6 year veteran sieve.
Never thought you could make a mess out of a mess.
RE: the decisions made by the coaching staff this season are mind boggling
There are too many personnel moves which are completely indefensible, as Mook said. Our season in over and instead of playing young guys and building towards the future this is the type of stupidity we get.
Thanks for some great years Coach, but it's time to go.
Afree 100% He is to loyal to aging vets. He should bench Jerry and Walton and start Richburg at center.
First of all, there is no loyalty to Walton or Jerry...they are new Giants.
Second of all, rookies have played all year for the Giants. Even Williams has played over the vet Hillis.
My guess is Richburg is wearing down. He said before the bye he had already played a full college season in terms of games and was feeling it. It may be showing up in the run game.
Exactly why this team needs to move on from Coughlin.
This is going to be a painful game to watch, Snyder over Richburg is beyond stupid and many expected this to happen to our second best OL once Schwartz came back.
My guess is Richburg is wearing down. He said before the bye he had already played a full college season in terms of games and was feeling it. It may be showing up in the run game.
First of all, there is no loyalty to Walton or Jerry...they are new Giants.
Second of all, rookies have played all year for the Giants. Even Williams has played over the vet Hillis.
My guess is Richburg is wearing down. He said before the bye he had already played a full college season in terms of games and was feeling it. It may be showing up in the run game.
Then how do you explain Jerry playing over Mosely? Or Kiwi over Moore? Or playing Snee for 2 years when he couldn't even move. Or playing Diehl when he was a human turnstile?
Exactly why this team needs to move on from Coughlin.
This is going to be a painful game to watch, Snyder over Richburg is beyond stupid and many expected this to happen to our second best OL once Schwartz came back.
Didn't think Snyder played too poorly last time when Richburg got hurt.
Love how some of the clowns are saying things like "Classic TC"
who was on the bench to replace Snee and Diehl? Mitch Petrus? Brewer?
Defensive coaches keep saying Moore is messing up in run defense. 3 out of 4 last opponents have been heavy run teams. Moore played more against Colts.
who was on the bench to replace Snee and Diehl? Mitch Petrus? Brewer?
Defensive coaches keep saying Moore is messing up in run defense. 3 out of 4 last opponents have been heavy run teams. Moore played more against Colts.
kiwi sucks against the run... so eric the issue isn't whether moore is good or bad against it....we are playing a guy that also sucks bad ahead of him and that guy has no potential or future.
Just wait until they play Schwartz out of position at RT
BlueHurricane : 11/17/2014 1:29 pm : link : reply
and leave Jerry at RG. I can see it happening and it will be yet another misuse of the o-lineman on this team.
but we'll never know it if we don't play him. And even a bust would be playing better than Kiwi right now....who might be the worst starting DE in football at this point. He's getting blown so far off the LOS it looks like he's moved back to LB.
they are just trying to plug the leaking ship at this point, the more disturbing thing about all of this is that Brandon Mosley and James Brewer must be total garbage.
John Jerry has had decent games, but he has been dreadful in 2 or 3 contests.
Thought Richburg would keep starting
It is hard to figure out how the dust will settle when your entire line blows?
I do wonder how bad Jerry would have to play to get dropped though.
Our staff/management have royally fucked up the offensive line in every way
Thanks for some great years Coach, but it's time to go.
Brewer should be given the shot at RT, in my opinion, but let's see how this works. The coaches watch practices, not us.
That is precisely the reason to not only leave Richburg in the lineup, but to shift him to OC.
Stork, Marcus Martin, the GB Center are all starting as rookies. Why can't Weston Richburg?
O'Hara, Diehl and Snee were all kept around too long.
Why have Mosely and Brewer been kept on this roster? If they can't get on the field these last 2 years they never will be able to.
Brown, Snyder, Walton and Jerry are all terrible.
Just when you think the situation with the offensive line can't get worse, it does.
I am also a big Richburg fan as well, and while I like to see him keep playing, the fact of the matter is he has not been excellent at LG nor will he be playing there in the future. So throwing him out there for the sake of "experience" doesnt make a whole lot of sense since he is projected to be the starting C for a long time.
Again, I agree that Jerry sucks and probably shouldnt be playing, but im interested on seeing how Schwartz plays at RT.
Is this any way a 'financial' move? Player contract bonus? Option clause? etc?
Nothing like taking out your 'ok' ROOKIE 2nd rd pick and leaving in your 6 year veteran sieve.
Never thought you could make a mess out of a mess.
agreed. even if the coaches are coaching for their jobs, you still give the guy with more upside and future the chance to play.
We're going to shift the line around every week from here on out.
Thanks for some great years Coach, but it's time to go.
Afree 100% He is to loyal to aging vets. He should bench Jerry and Walton and start Richburg at center.
Beat me to it! This is my thought also. I couldn't believe the way he was carted off that he would be playing last week.
First of all, there is no loyalty to Walton or Jerry...they are new Giants.
Second of all, rookies have played all year for the Giants. Even Williams has played over the vet Hillis.
My guess is Richburg is wearing down. He said before the bye he had already played a full college season in terms of games and was feeling it. It may be showing up in the run game.
According to the article, Richberg has struggled mightily in run blocking. Give the kid a week to clear his head.
This is going to be a painful game to watch, Snyder over Richburg is beyond stupid and many expected this to happen to our second best OL once Schwartz came back.
My guess is Richburg is wearing down. He said before the bye he had already played a full college season in terms of games and was feeling it. It may be showing up in the run game.
Besides the ankle, this too.
First of all, there is no loyalty to Walton or Jerry...they are new Giants.
Second of all, rookies have played all year for the Giants. Even Williams has played over the vet Hillis.
My guess is Richburg is wearing down. He said before the bye he had already played a full college season in terms of games and was feeling it. It may be showing up in the run game.
Then how do you explain Jerry playing over Mosely? Or Kiwi over Moore? Or playing Snee for 2 years when he couldn't even move. Or playing Diehl when he was a human turnstile?
He doesn't belong in the league yet alone still starting.
This is going to be a painful game to watch, Snyder over Richburg is beyond stupid and many expected this to happen to our second best OL once Schwartz came back.
Didn't think Snyder played too poorly last time when Richburg got hurt.
play him at guard...
play a crappy center...
and enter the offseason with no idea as to whether our 2nd round draft pick can actually play the position he was drafted to play.
there is no defenses for this. its pathetic
Defensive coaches keep saying Moore is messing up in run defense. 3 out of 4 last opponents have been heavy run teams. Moore played more against Colts.
Our staff/management have royally fucked up the offensive line in every way
Walton is beyond awful. This really makes no sense.
Defensive coaches keep saying Moore is messing up in run defense. 3 out of 4 last opponents have been heavy run teams. Moore played more against Colts.
kiwi sucks against the run... so eric the issue isn't whether moore is good or bad against it....we are playing a guy that also sucks bad ahead of him and that guy has no potential or future.
BlueHurricane : 11/17/2014 1:29 pm : link : reply
and leave Jerry at RG. I can see it happening and it will be yet another misuse of the o-lineman on this team.
People don't want to admit it, but Moore might be a bust. Richburg can still be a bust too.
But he went to BC so it's a good.
John Jerry has had decent games, but he has been dreadful in 2 or 3 contests.
So there are two more picks down the drain.